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Was the six engine Boeing-747 ever seriously considered by Boeing?
What was Boeing's competitor to the C-5?How was the high-bypass concept invented?Does one-engine cruise consume less fuel than two-engine cruise?Why does the Boeing 747 have a nickname but other aircraft do not?Are the Boeing 747-8 engines more efficient than the 747-400 engines?Why is the Boeing 747-300 not in service anymore?Can a Boeing 747 or A380 produce a positive rate of climb with one engine only?Was the Boeing 747 designed to be supersonic?Could the filming of the 747 in “Awakenings” have taken place during the 747 flight testing?If maximum speed was a priority for modern military fighter jets and bombers, approximately how fast would they likely be?What material is used for the floor panels in the main cabin for Boeing 747-400?What are the consequences of attaching an unused extra engine under Boeing 747 wing?Is it possible to buy a retired Boeing 747 aircraft?
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The Boeing-747 can carry a fifth engine on the side. As the air frame looks quite symmetric, I think that it would not be a big work to hang a sixth engine on the side as well.
From here, we seem to be quite near to the six engine aircraft - a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning.
Was a six engine 747 present at some time of its development history? I think this could be, assuming:
- less powerful engines than eventually were available, or planning something like 747-8 with the engines of 747-100
- maybe it could take off with less runway.
- some special uses with very heavy payload
There are no six engine variants mentioned, built or proposed, in Wikipedia.
The expected answer would mention some sources relevant to the the design decisions through the history of this aircraft.
aviation-history boeing-747 aircraft-development
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The Boeing-747 can carry a fifth engine on the side. As the air frame looks quite symmetric, I think that it would not be a big work to hang a sixth engine on the side as well.
From here, we seem to be quite near to the six engine aircraft - a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning.
Was a six engine 747 present at some time of its development history? I think this could be, assuming:
- less powerful engines than eventually were available, or planning something like 747-8 with the engines of 747-100
- maybe it could take off with less runway.
- some special uses with very heavy payload
There are no six engine variants mentioned, built or proposed, in Wikipedia.
The expected answer would mention some sources relevant to the the design decisions through the history of this aircraft.
aviation-history boeing-747 aircraft-development
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For what it's worth, Boeing did make at least one 6-engine aircraft model, though not a 747. Incidentally, looking around in the categories, there are some truly bizarre looking planes, including some with up to 14 engines...
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As a systems guy, "a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning" makes me want to sit you down and figure it out. Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but most likely you are.
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why stop at six....
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The Boeing-747 can carry a fifth engine on the side. As the air frame looks quite symmetric, I think that it would not be a big work to hang a sixth engine on the side as well.
From here, we seem to be quite near to the six engine aircraft - a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning.
Was a six engine 747 present at some time of its development history? I think this could be, assuming:
- less powerful engines than eventually were available, or planning something like 747-8 with the engines of 747-100
- maybe it could take off with less runway.
- some special uses with very heavy payload
There are no six engine variants mentioned, built or proposed, in Wikipedia.
The expected answer would mention some sources relevant to the the design decisions through the history of this aircraft.
aviation-history boeing-747 aircraft-development
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The Boeing-747 can carry a fifth engine on the side. As the air frame looks quite symmetric, I think that it would not be a big work to hang a sixth engine on the side as well.
From here, we seem to be quite near to the six engine aircraft - a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning.
Was a six engine 747 present at some time of its development history? I think this could be, assuming:
- less powerful engines than eventually were available, or planning something like 747-8 with the engines of 747-100
- maybe it could take off with less runway.
- some special uses with very heavy payload
There are no six engine variants mentioned, built or proposed, in Wikipedia.
The expected answer would mention some sources relevant to the the design decisions through the history of this aircraft.
aviation-history boeing-747 aircraft-development
aviation-history boeing-747 aircraft-development
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For what it's worth, Boeing did make at least one 6-engine aircraft model, though not a 747. Incidentally, looking around in the categories, there are some truly bizarre looking planes, including some with up to 14 engines...
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– Darrel Hoffman
13 hours ago
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As a systems guy, "a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning" makes me want to sit you down and figure it out. Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but most likely you are.
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– Mad Physicist
10 hours ago
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why stop at six....
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For what it's worth, Boeing did make at least one 6-engine aircraft model, though not a 747. Incidentally, looking around in the categories, there are some truly bizarre looking planes, including some with up to 14 engines...
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– Darrel Hoffman
13 hours ago
5
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As a systems guy, "a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning" makes me want to sit you down and figure it out. Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but most likely you are.
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– Mad Physicist
10 hours ago
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why stop at six....
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– Anilv
46 mins ago
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For what it's worth, Boeing did make at least one 6-engine aircraft model, though not a 747. Incidentally, looking around in the categories, there are some truly bizarre looking planes, including some with up to 14 engines...
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– Darrel Hoffman
13 hours ago
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For what it's worth, Boeing did make at least one 6-engine aircraft model, though not a 747. Incidentally, looking around in the categories, there are some truly bizarre looking planes, including some with up to 14 engines...
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– Darrel Hoffman
13 hours ago
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5
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As a systems guy, "a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning" makes me want to sit you down and figure it out. Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but most likely you are.
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– Mad Physicist
10 hours ago
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As a systems guy, "a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning" makes me want to sit you down and figure it out. Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but most likely you are.
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– Mad Physicist
10 hours ago
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why stop at six....
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– Anilv
46 mins ago
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why stop at six....
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No, it wasn't considered during the development. (Bowman)
The 747 came from Boeing's studies for the USAF CX-Heavy Logistics System program, which was won by the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy. See: What was Boeing's competitor to the C-5?
That project called for four engines, and an engine was designed for that purpose. See: How was the high-bypass concept invented?
So the powerful engine was available.
Regarding requiring less runway, it would have been a bad product. Airplanes are sized according to both takeoff and cruise:
Y-axis is takeoff thrust/max takeoff weight and X-axis is max takeoff mass/wing area (Preliminary Sizing - HAW Hamburg)
Shortening the takeoff by adding more engines, or overly powerful engines (a lot more than cruise requires), would lead to poorer cruise economy due to the increased drag (if two additional engines or bigger engines are used) and higher fuel rate per thrust unit – gas turbines get better fuel rate per thrust unit if they're running near their design limit, that won't be the case if there's a lot more power than needed in cruise.
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@ymb1 The thing is, if the power was added in such a way that cruise wasn't affected that much, it just moves the takeoff constraint down and to the right, both of which make the aircraft better/cheaper
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@costrom: If I'm reading your comment right, if the mass is fixed, down to the right is lower thrust. And it moves into the hatched zone for cruise. And excess cruise thrust is less efficient as explained in the last paragraph.
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Pedantic nitpick: the denominator of the y-axis is max takeoff weight, not mass, due to the multiplication by g, which makes the scale nicely dimensionless
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While the plot of wing loading vs TWR is clear, it may be best to explain how the two are traded off (and how any excess is just wasted fuel), for any casual visitors.
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– Therac
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@Therac: I think I have for the part that is relevant, wing loading won't be. Also the linked PDF is undergrad level and easy to follow through for the extra curious.
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Literally speaking, yes. At least you have thought about it.
Seriously, the target is not to fit as many engines as possible, but how to fulfill the performance and safety requirements with as few engines as possible.
More engines means more power and redundancy, but fewer engines means less cost, complexity, weight, higher fuel efficiency, and a lower probability of a single engine failure.
The big four engine aircraft are currently losing market share, and we can observe a transition to two engine aircraft. There are many studies and articles on this topic, for instance this one.
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Sound funny but logically correct. This was not the idea, however. The question has been edited now.
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The "fifth engine mount" option on the 747 is not designed to handle a running engine. It was an option used only by Qantas as a means of ferrying spare engines to remote locations, where flying a plane for a long distance to a maintenance facility on three engines was not possible. Only four of the Qantas fleet of 747s (totalling more than 60 aircraft) had this fifth engine option.
The mount for the fifth engine was not designed to transmit any thrust the engine would have delivered if it was running, and it fact the engine is partially disassembled by removing the fan to reduce drag (which reduced the loads on the 5th engine mount, as well as drag on the plane as a whole).
Some pictures and videos here: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-qantas-ferried-an-engine-on-the-wing-of-a-747/
To convert this into "a 5 or 6 engined plane" would require a lot more than just "a few pipes and wires". The wing structure would have to be redesigned to handle an extra 50,000 pounds (or more) thrust from each extra engine, plus the extra weight of a proper pylon and nacelle structure. Considering the aerodynamic wing flutter problems with the initial 747 design, sticking another two engines on the wing would most likely have required a complete redesign of the wing.
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No, it wasn't considered during the development. (Bowman)
The 747 came from Boeing's studies for the USAF CX-Heavy Logistics System program, which was won by the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy. See: What was Boeing's competitor to the C-5?
That project called for four engines, and an engine was designed for that purpose. See: How was the high-bypass concept invented?
So the powerful engine was available.
Regarding requiring less runway, it would have been a bad product. Airplanes are sized according to both takeoff and cruise:
Y-axis is takeoff thrust/max takeoff weight and X-axis is max takeoff mass/wing area (Preliminary Sizing - HAW Hamburg)
Shortening the takeoff by adding more engines, or overly powerful engines (a lot more than cruise requires), would lead to poorer cruise economy due to the increased drag (if two additional engines or bigger engines are used) and higher fuel rate per thrust unit – gas turbines get better fuel rate per thrust unit if they're running near their design limit, that won't be the case if there's a lot more power than needed in cruise.
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@ymb1 The thing is, if the power was added in such a way that cruise wasn't affected that much, it just moves the takeoff constraint down and to the right, both of which make the aircraft better/cheaper
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– costrom
13 hours ago
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@costrom: If I'm reading your comment right, if the mass is fixed, down to the right is lower thrust. And it moves into the hatched zone for cruise. And excess cruise thrust is less efficient as explained in the last paragraph.
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– ymb1
13 hours ago
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Pedantic nitpick: the denominator of the y-axis is max takeoff weight, not mass, due to the multiplication by g, which makes the scale nicely dimensionless
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– llama
12 hours ago
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While the plot of wing loading vs TWR is clear, it may be best to explain how the two are traded off (and how any excess is just wasted fuel), for any casual visitors.
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– Therac
9 hours ago
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@Therac: I think I have for the part that is relevant, wing loading won't be. Also the linked PDF is undergrad level and easy to follow through for the extra curious.
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No, it wasn't considered during the development. (Bowman)
The 747 came from Boeing's studies for the USAF CX-Heavy Logistics System program, which was won by the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy. See: What was Boeing's competitor to the C-5?
That project called for four engines, and an engine was designed for that purpose. See: How was the high-bypass concept invented?
So the powerful engine was available.
Regarding requiring less runway, it would have been a bad product. Airplanes are sized according to both takeoff and cruise:
Y-axis is takeoff thrust/max takeoff weight and X-axis is max takeoff mass/wing area (Preliminary Sizing - HAW Hamburg)
Shortening the takeoff by adding more engines, or overly powerful engines (a lot more than cruise requires), would lead to poorer cruise economy due to the increased drag (if two additional engines or bigger engines are used) and higher fuel rate per thrust unit – gas turbines get better fuel rate per thrust unit if they're running near their design limit, that won't be the case if there's a lot more power than needed in cruise.
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@ymb1 The thing is, if the power was added in such a way that cruise wasn't affected that much, it just moves the takeoff constraint down and to the right, both of which make the aircraft better/cheaper
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– costrom
13 hours ago
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@costrom: If I'm reading your comment right, if the mass is fixed, down to the right is lower thrust. And it moves into the hatched zone for cruise. And excess cruise thrust is less efficient as explained in the last paragraph.
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– ymb1
13 hours ago
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Pedantic nitpick: the denominator of the y-axis is max takeoff weight, not mass, due to the multiplication by g, which makes the scale nicely dimensionless
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– llama
12 hours ago
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While the plot of wing loading vs TWR is clear, it may be best to explain how the two are traded off (and how any excess is just wasted fuel), for any casual visitors.
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– Therac
9 hours ago
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@Therac: I think I have for the part that is relevant, wing loading won't be. Also the linked PDF is undergrad level and easy to follow through for the extra curious.
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– ymb1
9 hours ago
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show 2 more comments
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No, it wasn't considered during the development. (Bowman)
The 747 came from Boeing's studies for the USAF CX-Heavy Logistics System program, which was won by the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy. See: What was Boeing's competitor to the C-5?
That project called for four engines, and an engine was designed for that purpose. See: How was the high-bypass concept invented?
So the powerful engine was available.
Regarding requiring less runway, it would have been a bad product. Airplanes are sized according to both takeoff and cruise:
Y-axis is takeoff thrust/max takeoff weight and X-axis is max takeoff mass/wing area (Preliminary Sizing - HAW Hamburg)
Shortening the takeoff by adding more engines, or overly powerful engines (a lot more than cruise requires), would lead to poorer cruise economy due to the increased drag (if two additional engines or bigger engines are used) and higher fuel rate per thrust unit – gas turbines get better fuel rate per thrust unit if they're running near their design limit, that won't be the case if there's a lot more power than needed in cruise.
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No, it wasn't considered during the development. (Bowman)
The 747 came from Boeing's studies for the USAF CX-Heavy Logistics System program, which was won by the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy. See: What was Boeing's competitor to the C-5?
That project called for four engines, and an engine was designed for that purpose. See: How was the high-bypass concept invented?
So the powerful engine was available.
Regarding requiring less runway, it would have been a bad product. Airplanes are sized according to both takeoff and cruise:
Y-axis is takeoff thrust/max takeoff weight and X-axis is max takeoff mass/wing area (Preliminary Sizing - HAW Hamburg)
Shortening the takeoff by adding more engines, or overly powerful engines (a lot more than cruise requires), would lead to poorer cruise economy due to the increased drag (if two additional engines or bigger engines are used) and higher fuel rate per thrust unit – gas turbines get better fuel rate per thrust unit if they're running near their design limit, that won't be the case if there's a lot more power than needed in cruise.
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@ymb1 The thing is, if the power was added in such a way that cruise wasn't affected that much, it just moves the takeoff constraint down and to the right, both of which make the aircraft better/cheaper
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– costrom
13 hours ago
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@costrom: If I'm reading your comment right, if the mass is fixed, down to the right is lower thrust. And it moves into the hatched zone for cruise. And excess cruise thrust is less efficient as explained in the last paragraph.
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– ymb1
13 hours ago
1
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Pedantic nitpick: the denominator of the y-axis is max takeoff weight, not mass, due to the multiplication by g, which makes the scale nicely dimensionless
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– llama
12 hours ago
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While the plot of wing loading vs TWR is clear, it may be best to explain how the two are traded off (and how any excess is just wasted fuel), for any casual visitors.
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– Therac
9 hours ago
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@Therac: I think I have for the part that is relevant, wing loading won't be. Also the linked PDF is undergrad level and easy to follow through for the extra curious.
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– ymb1
9 hours ago
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show 2 more comments
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@ymb1 The thing is, if the power was added in such a way that cruise wasn't affected that much, it just moves the takeoff constraint down and to the right, both of which make the aircraft better/cheaper
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– costrom
13 hours ago
1
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@costrom: If I'm reading your comment right, if the mass is fixed, down to the right is lower thrust. And it moves into the hatched zone for cruise. And excess cruise thrust is less efficient as explained in the last paragraph.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
13 hours ago
1
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Pedantic nitpick: the denominator of the y-axis is max takeoff weight, not mass, due to the multiplication by g, which makes the scale nicely dimensionless
$endgroup$
– llama
12 hours ago
1
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While the plot of wing loading vs TWR is clear, it may be best to explain how the two are traded off (and how any excess is just wasted fuel), for any casual visitors.
$endgroup$
– Therac
9 hours ago
1
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@Therac: I think I have for the part that is relevant, wing loading won't be. Also the linked PDF is undergrad level and easy to follow through for the extra curious.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
9 hours ago
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@ymb1 The thing is, if the power was added in such a way that cruise wasn't affected that much, it just moves the takeoff constraint down and to the right, both of which make the aircraft better/cheaper
$endgroup$
– costrom
13 hours ago
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@ymb1 The thing is, if the power was added in such a way that cruise wasn't affected that much, it just moves the takeoff constraint down and to the right, both of which make the aircraft better/cheaper
$endgroup$
– costrom
13 hours ago
1
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@costrom: If I'm reading your comment right, if the mass is fixed, down to the right is lower thrust. And it moves into the hatched zone for cruise. And excess cruise thrust is less efficient as explained in the last paragraph.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
13 hours ago
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@costrom: If I'm reading your comment right, if the mass is fixed, down to the right is lower thrust. And it moves into the hatched zone for cruise. And excess cruise thrust is less efficient as explained in the last paragraph.
$endgroup$
– ymb1
13 hours ago
1
1
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Pedantic nitpick: the denominator of the y-axis is max takeoff weight, not mass, due to the multiplication by g, which makes the scale nicely dimensionless
$endgroup$
– llama
12 hours ago
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Pedantic nitpick: the denominator of the y-axis is max takeoff weight, not mass, due to the multiplication by g, which makes the scale nicely dimensionless
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– llama
12 hours ago
1
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While the plot of wing loading vs TWR is clear, it may be best to explain how the two are traded off (and how any excess is just wasted fuel), for any casual visitors.
$endgroup$
– Therac
9 hours ago
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While the plot of wing loading vs TWR is clear, it may be best to explain how the two are traded off (and how any excess is just wasted fuel), for any casual visitors.
$endgroup$
– Therac
9 hours ago
1
1
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@Therac: I think I have for the part that is relevant, wing loading won't be. Also the linked PDF is undergrad level and easy to follow through for the extra curious.
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– ymb1
9 hours ago
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@Therac: I think I have for the part that is relevant, wing loading won't be. Also the linked PDF is undergrad level and easy to follow through for the extra curious.
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– ymb1
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Literally speaking, yes. At least you have thought about it.
Seriously, the target is not to fit as many engines as possible, but how to fulfill the performance and safety requirements with as few engines as possible.
More engines means more power and redundancy, but fewer engines means less cost, complexity, weight, higher fuel efficiency, and a lower probability of a single engine failure.
The big four engine aircraft are currently losing market share, and we can observe a transition to two engine aircraft. There are many studies and articles on this topic, for instance this one.
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Sound funny but logically correct. This was not the idea, however. The question has been edited now.
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– h22
22 hours ago
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Literally speaking, yes. At least you have thought about it.
Seriously, the target is not to fit as many engines as possible, but how to fulfill the performance and safety requirements with as few engines as possible.
More engines means more power and redundancy, but fewer engines means less cost, complexity, weight, higher fuel efficiency, and a lower probability of a single engine failure.
The big four engine aircraft are currently losing market share, and we can observe a transition to two engine aircraft. There are many studies and articles on this topic, for instance this one.
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Sound funny but logically correct. This was not the idea, however. The question has been edited now.
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Literally speaking, yes. At least you have thought about it.
Seriously, the target is not to fit as many engines as possible, but how to fulfill the performance and safety requirements with as few engines as possible.
More engines means more power and redundancy, but fewer engines means less cost, complexity, weight, higher fuel efficiency, and a lower probability of a single engine failure.
The big four engine aircraft are currently losing market share, and we can observe a transition to two engine aircraft. There are many studies and articles on this topic, for instance this one.
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Literally speaking, yes. At least you have thought about it.
Seriously, the target is not to fit as many engines as possible, but how to fulfill the performance and safety requirements with as few engines as possible.
More engines means more power and redundancy, but fewer engines means less cost, complexity, weight, higher fuel efficiency, and a lower probability of a single engine failure.
The big four engine aircraft are currently losing market share, and we can observe a transition to two engine aircraft. There are many studies and articles on this topic, for instance this one.
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Sound funny but logically correct. This was not the idea, however. The question has been edited now.
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– h22
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Sound funny but logically correct. This was not the idea, however. The question has been edited now.
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– h22
22 hours ago
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Sound funny but logically correct. This was not the idea, however. The question has been edited now.
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– h22
22 hours ago
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Sound funny but logically correct. This was not the idea, however. The question has been edited now.
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The "fifth engine mount" option on the 747 is not designed to handle a running engine. It was an option used only by Qantas as a means of ferrying spare engines to remote locations, where flying a plane for a long distance to a maintenance facility on three engines was not possible. Only four of the Qantas fleet of 747s (totalling more than 60 aircraft) had this fifth engine option.
The mount for the fifth engine was not designed to transmit any thrust the engine would have delivered if it was running, and it fact the engine is partially disassembled by removing the fan to reduce drag (which reduced the loads on the 5th engine mount, as well as drag on the plane as a whole).
Some pictures and videos here: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-qantas-ferried-an-engine-on-the-wing-of-a-747/
To convert this into "a 5 or 6 engined plane" would require a lot more than just "a few pipes and wires". The wing structure would have to be redesigned to handle an extra 50,000 pounds (or more) thrust from each extra engine, plus the extra weight of a proper pylon and nacelle structure. Considering the aerodynamic wing flutter problems with the initial 747 design, sticking another two engines on the wing would most likely have required a complete redesign of the wing.
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The "fifth engine mount" option on the 747 is not designed to handle a running engine. It was an option used only by Qantas as a means of ferrying spare engines to remote locations, where flying a plane for a long distance to a maintenance facility on three engines was not possible. Only four of the Qantas fleet of 747s (totalling more than 60 aircraft) had this fifth engine option.
The mount for the fifth engine was not designed to transmit any thrust the engine would have delivered if it was running, and it fact the engine is partially disassembled by removing the fan to reduce drag (which reduced the loads on the 5th engine mount, as well as drag on the plane as a whole).
Some pictures and videos here: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-qantas-ferried-an-engine-on-the-wing-of-a-747/
To convert this into "a 5 or 6 engined plane" would require a lot more than just "a few pipes and wires". The wing structure would have to be redesigned to handle an extra 50,000 pounds (or more) thrust from each extra engine, plus the extra weight of a proper pylon and nacelle structure. Considering the aerodynamic wing flutter problems with the initial 747 design, sticking another two engines on the wing would most likely have required a complete redesign of the wing.
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The "fifth engine mount" option on the 747 is not designed to handle a running engine. It was an option used only by Qantas as a means of ferrying spare engines to remote locations, where flying a plane for a long distance to a maintenance facility on three engines was not possible. Only four of the Qantas fleet of 747s (totalling more than 60 aircraft) had this fifth engine option.
The mount for the fifth engine was not designed to transmit any thrust the engine would have delivered if it was running, and it fact the engine is partially disassembled by removing the fan to reduce drag (which reduced the loads on the 5th engine mount, as well as drag on the plane as a whole).
Some pictures and videos here: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-qantas-ferried-an-engine-on-the-wing-of-a-747/
To convert this into "a 5 or 6 engined plane" would require a lot more than just "a few pipes and wires". The wing structure would have to be redesigned to handle an extra 50,000 pounds (or more) thrust from each extra engine, plus the extra weight of a proper pylon and nacelle structure. Considering the aerodynamic wing flutter problems with the initial 747 design, sticking another two engines on the wing would most likely have required a complete redesign of the wing.
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The "fifth engine mount" option on the 747 is not designed to handle a running engine. It was an option used only by Qantas as a means of ferrying spare engines to remote locations, where flying a plane for a long distance to a maintenance facility on three engines was not possible. Only four of the Qantas fleet of 747s (totalling more than 60 aircraft) had this fifth engine option.
The mount for the fifth engine was not designed to transmit any thrust the engine would have delivered if it was running, and it fact the engine is partially disassembled by removing the fan to reduce drag (which reduced the loads on the 5th engine mount, as well as drag on the plane as a whole).
Some pictures and videos here: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-qantas-ferried-an-engine-on-the-wing-of-a-747/
To convert this into "a 5 or 6 engined plane" would require a lot more than just "a few pipes and wires". The wing structure would have to be redesigned to handle an extra 50,000 pounds (or more) thrust from each extra engine, plus the extra weight of a proper pylon and nacelle structure. Considering the aerodynamic wing flutter problems with the initial 747 design, sticking another two engines on the wing would most likely have required a complete redesign of the wing.
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For what it's worth, Boeing did make at least one 6-engine aircraft model, though not a 747. Incidentally, looking around in the categories, there are some truly bizarre looking planes, including some with up to 14 engines...
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– Darrel Hoffman
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As a systems guy, "a few extra pipes and wires are probably all we need to get these engines turning" makes me want to sit you down and figure it out. Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but most likely you are.
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– Mad Physicist
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why stop at six....
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