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          A property of the harmonic oscillator is that the oscillation frequency, $omega$, is dependent not only on $k$ (the spring constant) but also on the mass $m$ of the object:



          $$omega = sqrtfrackm$$



          We can crudely model a chemical bond as a two-body harmonic oscillator, which largely obeys the same rule, except that the mass must be replaced with the reduced mass $mu$, defined by:



          $$frac1mu = frac1m_1 + frac1m_2$$



          where $m_1$ and $m_2$ are the masses of the two bodies. So, for a C–H bond, we have



          $$frac1mu_ceCH = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu1 u implies mu_ceCH = pu0.923 u$$



          and for a C=O bond, we have



          $$frac1mu_ceCO = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu16 u implies mu_ceCO = pu6.86 u$$



          From J. Chem. Phys. 1946, 14 (5), 305–320 the force constant $k$ for the C=O bond in formaldehyde is approximately $2.46$ times that for the C–H bond in methane (the units are in the old cgs system, so I am lazy to quote the actual values).



          So, we can come up with a very rough theoretical estimate. The wavenumber used in IR spectroscopy, denoted by $barnu$, is directly proportional to the (angular) frequency $omega$.



          $$beginalign
          fracbarnu_ceCHbarnu_ceCO &= fracomega_ceCH / 2pi comega_ceCO / 2pi c \
          &= fracomega_ceCHomega_ceCO \
          &= sqrtfrack_ceCHk_ceCO cdot fracmu_ceCOmu_ceCH \
          &= sqrtfrac12.46 cdot fracpu6.86 upu0.923 u \
          &= 1.74
          endalign$$



          This is not too far from the experimental value of $pu2900 cm-1/pu1730 cm-1 = 1.68$ (using values in the middle of the typical ranges for alkanes and aldehydes).






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          According to Skoog, Analytical Chemistry:



          Using classical mechanics, assuming a diatomic molecule, the frequency of vibration $nu$ may be described by
          $$nu = frac12pi sqrtfrackmu $$



          where $k$ represents the force constant of this bond, and $mu$ the reduced mass of the particles bond together, defined as



          $$mu = fracm_1 cdot m_2 m_1 + m_2$$



          An equivalent quantum chemical / mechanial description includes $c$, the speed of light, yielding a result expressing the radiation in wavenumbers:
          $$barnu = frac12pi cdot c sqrtfrackmu $$



          So (1), with the same reduced mass $mu$, the observed frequency increases with increasing force constant $k$. And (2) $nu$ equally increases while lowering the reduced mass $mu$.



          Skoog further mentions as typical force constant of single bonds the range of $3 times 10^2 ldots 8 times 10^2,puN m^-1 $ with an average of $5 times 10^2,puN m^-1$; while stating $1 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ and $1.5 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ for typical double, and triple bonds, respecitively.




          Consequently, for a carbonyl $ceC=O$ double bond, assuming as the mass $m_1$ of a carbon atom of



          $$m_1 = frac12 times 10^-3,pukg / mol 6.0 times 10^23,puatoms / mol times 1,puatom = 2.0 times 10^-26,pukg$$



          and for oxygen a mass $m_2 = 2.7 times 10^-26,pukg / atom$,
          yields a reduced mass $mu = 1.1 times 10^-26,pukg$. Using the above mentioned equation determines as vibration frequency (in wavenumbers) a value of



          $$barnu = 5.3 times 10^-12,pus cdot cm^-1 sqrtfrac1 times 10^3,puN cdot m^-11.1 times 10^-26,pukg = 1.6 times 10^3pucm^-1$$.






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            A property of the harmonic oscillator is that the oscillation frequency, $omega$, is dependent not only on $k$ (the spring constant) but also on the mass $m$ of the object:



            $$omega = sqrtfrackm$$



            We can crudely model a chemical bond as a two-body harmonic oscillator, which largely obeys the same rule, except that the mass must be replaced with the reduced mass $mu$, defined by:



            $$frac1mu = frac1m_1 + frac1m_2$$



            where $m_1$ and $m_2$ are the masses of the two bodies. So, for a C–H bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCH = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu1 u implies mu_ceCH = pu0.923 u$$



            and for a C=O bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCO = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu16 u implies mu_ceCO = pu6.86 u$$



            From J. Chem. Phys. 1946, 14 (5), 305–320 the force constant $k$ for the C=O bond in formaldehyde is approximately $2.46$ times that for the C–H bond in methane (the units are in the old cgs system, so I am lazy to quote the actual values).



            So, we can come up with a very rough theoretical estimate. The wavenumber used in IR spectroscopy, denoted by $barnu$, is directly proportional to the (angular) frequency $omega$.



            $$beginalign
            fracbarnu_ceCHbarnu_ceCO &= fracomega_ceCH / 2pi comega_ceCO / 2pi c \
            &= fracomega_ceCHomega_ceCO \
            &= sqrtfrack_ceCHk_ceCO cdot fracmu_ceCOmu_ceCH \
            &= sqrtfrac12.46 cdot fracpu6.86 upu0.923 u \
            &= 1.74
            endalign$$



            This is not too far from the experimental value of $pu2900 cm-1/pu1730 cm-1 = 1.68$ (using values in the middle of the typical ranges for alkanes and aldehydes).






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            A property of the harmonic oscillator is that the oscillation frequency, $omega$, is dependent not only on $k$ (the spring constant) but also on the mass $m$ of the object:



            $$omega = sqrtfrackm$$



            We can crudely model a chemical bond as a two-body harmonic oscillator, which largely obeys the same rule, except that the mass must be replaced with the reduced mass $mu$, defined by:



            $$frac1mu = frac1m_1 + frac1m_2$$



            where $m_1$ and $m_2$ are the masses of the two bodies. So, for a C–H bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCH = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu1 u implies mu_ceCH = pu0.923 u$$



            and for a C=O bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCO = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu16 u implies mu_ceCO = pu6.86 u$$



            From J. Chem. Phys. 1946, 14 (5), 305–320 the force constant $k$ for the C=O bond in formaldehyde is approximately $2.46$ times that for the C–H bond in methane (the units are in the old cgs system, so I am lazy to quote the actual values).



            So, we can come up with a very rough theoretical estimate. The wavenumber used in IR spectroscopy, denoted by $barnu$, is directly proportional to the (angular) frequency $omega$.



            $$beginalign
            fracbarnu_ceCHbarnu_ceCO &= fracomega_ceCH / 2pi comega_ceCO / 2pi c \
            &= fracomega_ceCHomega_ceCO \
            &= sqrtfrack_ceCHk_ceCO cdot fracmu_ceCOmu_ceCH \
            &= sqrtfrac12.46 cdot fracpu6.86 upu0.923 u \
            &= 1.74
            endalign$$



            This is not too far from the experimental value of $pu2900 cm-1/pu1730 cm-1 = 1.68$ (using values in the middle of the typical ranges for alkanes and aldehydes).






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            $begingroup$

            A property of the harmonic oscillator is that the oscillation frequency, $omega$, is dependent not only on $k$ (the spring constant) but also on the mass $m$ of the object:



            $$omega = sqrtfrackm$$



            We can crudely model a chemical bond as a two-body harmonic oscillator, which largely obeys the same rule, except that the mass must be replaced with the reduced mass $mu$, defined by:



            $$frac1mu = frac1m_1 + frac1m_2$$



            where $m_1$ and $m_2$ are the masses of the two bodies. So, for a C–H bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCH = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu1 u implies mu_ceCH = pu0.923 u$$



            and for a C=O bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCO = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu16 u implies mu_ceCO = pu6.86 u$$



            From J. Chem. Phys. 1946, 14 (5), 305–320 the force constant $k$ for the C=O bond in formaldehyde is approximately $2.46$ times that for the C–H bond in methane (the units are in the old cgs system, so I am lazy to quote the actual values).



            So, we can come up with a very rough theoretical estimate. The wavenumber used in IR spectroscopy, denoted by $barnu$, is directly proportional to the (angular) frequency $omega$.



            $$beginalign
            fracbarnu_ceCHbarnu_ceCO &= fracomega_ceCH / 2pi comega_ceCO / 2pi c \
            &= fracomega_ceCHomega_ceCO \
            &= sqrtfrack_ceCHk_ceCO cdot fracmu_ceCOmu_ceCH \
            &= sqrtfrac12.46 cdot fracpu6.86 upu0.923 u \
            &= 1.74
            endalign$$



            This is not too far from the experimental value of $pu2900 cm-1/pu1730 cm-1 = 1.68$ (using values in the middle of the typical ranges for alkanes and aldehydes).






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            A property of the harmonic oscillator is that the oscillation frequency, $omega$, is dependent not only on $k$ (the spring constant) but also on the mass $m$ of the object:



            $$omega = sqrtfrackm$$



            We can crudely model a chemical bond as a two-body harmonic oscillator, which largely obeys the same rule, except that the mass must be replaced with the reduced mass $mu$, defined by:



            $$frac1mu = frac1m_1 + frac1m_2$$



            where $m_1$ and $m_2$ are the masses of the two bodies. So, for a C–H bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCH = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu1 u implies mu_ceCH = pu0.923 u$$



            and for a C=O bond, we have



            $$frac1mu_ceCO = frac1pu12 u + frac1pu16 u implies mu_ceCO = pu6.86 u$$



            From J. Chem. Phys. 1946, 14 (5), 305–320 the force constant $k$ for the C=O bond in formaldehyde is approximately $2.46$ times that for the C–H bond in methane (the units are in the old cgs system, so I am lazy to quote the actual values).



            So, we can come up with a very rough theoretical estimate. The wavenumber used in IR spectroscopy, denoted by $barnu$, is directly proportional to the (angular) frequency $omega$.



            $$beginalign
            fracbarnu_ceCHbarnu_ceCO &= fracomega_ceCH / 2pi comega_ceCO / 2pi c \
            &= fracomega_ceCHomega_ceCO \
            &= sqrtfrack_ceCHk_ceCO cdot fracmu_ceCOmu_ceCH \
            &= sqrtfrac12.46 cdot fracpu6.86 upu0.923 u \
            &= 1.74
            endalign$$



            This is not too far from the experimental value of $pu2900 cm-1/pu1730 cm-1 = 1.68$ (using values in the middle of the typical ranges for alkanes and aldehydes).







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            According to Skoog, Analytical Chemistry:



            Using classical mechanics, assuming a diatomic molecule, the frequency of vibration $nu$ may be described by
            $$nu = frac12pi sqrtfrackmu $$



            where $k$ represents the force constant of this bond, and $mu$ the reduced mass of the particles bond together, defined as



            $$mu = fracm_1 cdot m_2 m_1 + m_2$$



            An equivalent quantum chemical / mechanial description includes $c$, the speed of light, yielding a result expressing the radiation in wavenumbers:
            $$barnu = frac12pi cdot c sqrtfrackmu $$



            So (1), with the same reduced mass $mu$, the observed frequency increases with increasing force constant $k$. And (2) $nu$ equally increases while lowering the reduced mass $mu$.



            Skoog further mentions as typical force constant of single bonds the range of $3 times 10^2 ldots 8 times 10^2,puN m^-1 $ with an average of $5 times 10^2,puN m^-1$; while stating $1 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ and $1.5 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ for typical double, and triple bonds, respecitively.




            Consequently, for a carbonyl $ceC=O$ double bond, assuming as the mass $m_1$ of a carbon atom of



            $$m_1 = frac12 times 10^-3,pukg / mol 6.0 times 10^23,puatoms / mol times 1,puatom = 2.0 times 10^-26,pukg$$



            and for oxygen a mass $m_2 = 2.7 times 10^-26,pukg / atom$,
            yields a reduced mass $mu = 1.1 times 10^-26,pukg$. Using the above mentioned equation determines as vibration frequency (in wavenumbers) a value of



            $$barnu = 5.3 times 10^-12,pus cdot cm^-1 sqrtfrac1 times 10^3,puN cdot m^-11.1 times 10^-26,pukg = 1.6 times 10^3pucm^-1$$.






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              According to Skoog, Analytical Chemistry:



              Using classical mechanics, assuming a diatomic molecule, the frequency of vibration $nu$ may be described by
              $$nu = frac12pi sqrtfrackmu $$



              where $k$ represents the force constant of this bond, and $mu$ the reduced mass of the particles bond together, defined as



              $$mu = fracm_1 cdot m_2 m_1 + m_2$$



              An equivalent quantum chemical / mechanial description includes $c$, the speed of light, yielding a result expressing the radiation in wavenumbers:
              $$barnu = frac12pi cdot c sqrtfrackmu $$



              So (1), with the same reduced mass $mu$, the observed frequency increases with increasing force constant $k$. And (2) $nu$ equally increases while lowering the reduced mass $mu$.



              Skoog further mentions as typical force constant of single bonds the range of $3 times 10^2 ldots 8 times 10^2,puN m^-1 $ with an average of $5 times 10^2,puN m^-1$; while stating $1 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ and $1.5 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ for typical double, and triple bonds, respecitively.




              Consequently, for a carbonyl $ceC=O$ double bond, assuming as the mass $m_1$ of a carbon atom of



              $$m_1 = frac12 times 10^-3,pukg / mol 6.0 times 10^23,puatoms / mol times 1,puatom = 2.0 times 10^-26,pukg$$



              and for oxygen a mass $m_2 = 2.7 times 10^-26,pukg / atom$,
              yields a reduced mass $mu = 1.1 times 10^-26,pukg$. Using the above mentioned equation determines as vibration frequency (in wavenumbers) a value of



              $$barnu = 5.3 times 10^-12,pus cdot cm^-1 sqrtfrac1 times 10^3,puN cdot m^-11.1 times 10^-26,pukg = 1.6 times 10^3pucm^-1$$.






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                $begingroup$

                According to Skoog, Analytical Chemistry:



                Using classical mechanics, assuming a diatomic molecule, the frequency of vibration $nu$ may be described by
                $$nu = frac12pi sqrtfrackmu $$



                where $k$ represents the force constant of this bond, and $mu$ the reduced mass of the particles bond together, defined as



                $$mu = fracm_1 cdot m_2 m_1 + m_2$$



                An equivalent quantum chemical / mechanial description includes $c$, the speed of light, yielding a result expressing the radiation in wavenumbers:
                $$barnu = frac12pi cdot c sqrtfrackmu $$



                So (1), with the same reduced mass $mu$, the observed frequency increases with increasing force constant $k$. And (2) $nu$ equally increases while lowering the reduced mass $mu$.



                Skoog further mentions as typical force constant of single bonds the range of $3 times 10^2 ldots 8 times 10^2,puN m^-1 $ with an average of $5 times 10^2,puN m^-1$; while stating $1 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ and $1.5 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ for typical double, and triple bonds, respecitively.




                Consequently, for a carbonyl $ceC=O$ double bond, assuming as the mass $m_1$ of a carbon atom of



                $$m_1 = frac12 times 10^-3,pukg / mol 6.0 times 10^23,puatoms / mol times 1,puatom = 2.0 times 10^-26,pukg$$



                and for oxygen a mass $m_2 = 2.7 times 10^-26,pukg / atom$,
                yields a reduced mass $mu = 1.1 times 10^-26,pukg$. Using the above mentioned equation determines as vibration frequency (in wavenumbers) a value of



                $$barnu = 5.3 times 10^-12,pus cdot cm^-1 sqrtfrac1 times 10^3,puN cdot m^-11.1 times 10^-26,pukg = 1.6 times 10^3pucm^-1$$.






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                According to Skoog, Analytical Chemistry:



                Using classical mechanics, assuming a diatomic molecule, the frequency of vibration $nu$ may be described by
                $$nu = frac12pi sqrtfrackmu $$



                where $k$ represents the force constant of this bond, and $mu$ the reduced mass of the particles bond together, defined as



                $$mu = fracm_1 cdot m_2 m_1 + m_2$$



                An equivalent quantum chemical / mechanial description includes $c$, the speed of light, yielding a result expressing the radiation in wavenumbers:
                $$barnu = frac12pi cdot c sqrtfrackmu $$



                So (1), with the same reduced mass $mu$, the observed frequency increases with increasing force constant $k$. And (2) $nu$ equally increases while lowering the reduced mass $mu$.



                Skoog further mentions as typical force constant of single bonds the range of $3 times 10^2 ldots 8 times 10^2,puN m^-1 $ with an average of $5 times 10^2,puN m^-1$; while stating $1 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ and $1.5 times 10^3,puN m^-1$ for typical double, and triple bonds, respecitively.




                Consequently, for a carbonyl $ceC=O$ double bond, assuming as the mass $m_1$ of a carbon atom of



                $$m_1 = frac12 times 10^-3,pukg / mol 6.0 times 10^23,puatoms / mol times 1,puatom = 2.0 times 10^-26,pukg$$



                and for oxygen a mass $m_2 = 2.7 times 10^-26,pukg / atom$,
                yields a reduced mass $mu = 1.1 times 10^-26,pukg$. Using the above mentioned equation determines as vibration frequency (in wavenumbers) a value of



                $$barnu = 5.3 times 10^-12,pus cdot cm^-1 sqrtfrac1 times 10^3,puN cdot m^-11.1 times 10^-26,pukg = 1.6 times 10^3pucm^-1$$.







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