Examples of proofs by making reduction to a finite setWhy are planar graphs so exceptional?Graphs of Tangent SpheresChromatic number of graphs of tangent closed ballsWhat are some good examples of non-monotone graph properties?Examples of two different descriptions of a set that are not obviously equivalent?Beraha numbers and zeros of the chromatic polynomial of planar graphsAlgebraic proof of Five-Color Theorem using chromatic polynomials by Birkhoff and Lewis in 1946Do you know a faster algorithm to color planar graphs?A direct proof that every $r$-colored complete graph on $n=(r+1)m-(r-1)$ vertices has a monochromatic matching of size $m$?
Examples of proofs by making reduction to a finite set
Why are planar graphs so exceptional?Graphs of Tangent SpheresChromatic number of graphs of tangent closed ballsWhat are some good examples of non-monotone graph properties?Examples of two different descriptions of a set that are not obviously equivalent?Beraha numbers and zeros of the chromatic polynomial of planar graphsAlgebraic proof of Five-Color Theorem using chromatic polynomials by Birkhoff and Lewis in 1946Do you know a faster algorithm to color planar graphs?A direct proof that every $r$-colored complete graph on $n=(r+1)m-(r-1)$ vertices has a monochromatic matching of size $m$?
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This is a very abstract question, I hope this is appropriate.
Suppose $T$ is some claim over some infinite set $A$, for example, let $A$ be the set of all loopless planar graphs, and $T$ be the claim "for every element $a in A$, the chromatic number of $a$'s dual graph is $leq 4$" (this is known as "Four-color Theorem"); or, let $A = mathbbN$, and $T$ be the claim "there are no 3 elements $x, y, z in A$ such that $x^5 + y^5 =z^5$" (a specific case of Fermat's last theorem).
In the first example, it is possible to prove the claim $T$ by testing some claim $T'$ over finite set $A' subset A$, see proof by computer section. This is done by a series of reductions, showing that if all the elements in some finite set satisfy a property, then the (original) claim holds.
In some sense, mathematical induction is similar: we test a claim on finite set ("the base case"), then proving $a_n rightarrow a_n+1$, which shows the claim is correct for all space.
Are there more known cases like that? i.e. proving (a combinatorial) claim by reduction to finite cases?
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This is a very abstract question, I hope this is appropriate.
Suppose $T$ is some claim over some infinite set $A$, for example, let $A$ be the set of all loopless planar graphs, and $T$ be the claim "for every element $a in A$, the chromatic number of $a$'s dual graph is $leq 4$" (this is known as "Four-color Theorem"); or, let $A = mathbbN$, and $T$ be the claim "there are no 3 elements $x, y, z in A$ such that $x^5 + y^5 =z^5$" (a specific case of Fermat's last theorem).
In the first example, it is possible to prove the claim $T$ by testing some claim $T'$ over finite set $A' subset A$, see proof by computer section. This is done by a series of reductions, showing that if all the elements in some finite set satisfy a property, then the (original) claim holds.
In some sense, mathematical induction is similar: we test a claim on finite set ("the base case"), then proving $a_n rightarrow a_n+1$, which shows the claim is correct for all space.
Are there more known cases like that? i.e. proving (a combinatorial) claim by reduction to finite cases?
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics graph-theory lo.logic big-list
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I think that this is a very interesting question, but I think it doesn't fit the MO mission of focussed questions with a definite answer. MO has some tolerance for big-list questions, so maybe it would be appropriate if made community wiki. (You can do this by flagging your own post for moderator attention, if you agree.)
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– LSpice
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There are certainly a lot of proofs which are vaguely similar to the Four Colour Theorem; search for 'discharging method' which is a (the most common but certainly not the only) way to reduce a general graph problem to a finite set of cases to check. For a rather different example, in some sense Helfgott's proof of the weak Goldbach conjecture is of this form: he reduces the problem to checking finitely many cases and then does the check. I think this is an example of what you don't want to see (because without the finite check Helfgott still proves something; that's not true for 4CT).
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This is a very abstract question, I hope this is appropriate.
Suppose $T$ is some claim over some infinite set $A$, for example, let $A$ be the set of all loopless planar graphs, and $T$ be the claim "for every element $a in A$, the chromatic number of $a$'s dual graph is $leq 4$" (this is known as "Four-color Theorem"); or, let $A = mathbbN$, and $T$ be the claim "there are no 3 elements $x, y, z in A$ such that $x^5 + y^5 =z^5$" (a specific case of Fermat's last theorem).
In the first example, it is possible to prove the claim $T$ by testing some claim $T'$ over finite set $A' subset A$, see proof by computer section. This is done by a series of reductions, showing that if all the elements in some finite set satisfy a property, then the (original) claim holds.
In some sense, mathematical induction is similar: we test a claim on finite set ("the base case"), then proving $a_n rightarrow a_n+1$, which shows the claim is correct for all space.
Are there more known cases like that? i.e. proving (a combinatorial) claim by reduction to finite cases?
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics graph-theory lo.logic big-list
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This is a very abstract question, I hope this is appropriate.
Suppose $T$ is some claim over some infinite set $A$, for example, let $A$ be the set of all loopless planar graphs, and $T$ be the claim "for every element $a in A$, the chromatic number of $a$'s dual graph is $leq 4$" (this is known as "Four-color Theorem"); or, let $A = mathbbN$, and $T$ be the claim "there are no 3 elements $x, y, z in A$ such that $x^5 + y^5 =z^5$" (a specific case of Fermat's last theorem).
In the first example, it is possible to prove the claim $T$ by testing some claim $T'$ over finite set $A' subset A$, see proof by computer section. This is done by a series of reductions, showing that if all the elements in some finite set satisfy a property, then the (original) claim holds.
In some sense, mathematical induction is similar: we test a claim on finite set ("the base case"), then proving $a_n rightarrow a_n+1$, which shows the claim is correct for all space.
Are there more known cases like that? i.e. proving (a combinatorial) claim by reduction to finite cases?
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics graph-theory lo.logic big-list
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics graph-theory lo.logic big-list
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I think that this is a very interesting question, but I think it doesn't fit the MO mission of focussed questions with a definite answer. MO has some tolerance for big-list questions, so maybe it would be appropriate if made community wiki. (You can do this by flagging your own post for moderator attention, if you agree.)
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There are certainly a lot of proofs which are vaguely similar to the Four Colour Theorem; search for 'discharging method' which is a (the most common but certainly not the only) way to reduce a general graph problem to a finite set of cases to check. For a rather different example, in some sense Helfgott's proof of the weak Goldbach conjecture is of this form: he reduces the problem to checking finitely many cases and then does the check. I think this is an example of what you don't want to see (because without the finite check Helfgott still proves something; that's not true for 4CT).
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I think that this is a very interesting question, but I think it doesn't fit the MO mission of focussed questions with a definite answer. MO has some tolerance for big-list questions, so maybe it would be appropriate if made community wiki. (You can do this by flagging your own post for moderator attention, if you agree.)
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There are certainly a lot of proofs which are vaguely similar to the Four Colour Theorem; search for 'discharging method' which is a (the most common but certainly not the only) way to reduce a general graph problem to a finite set of cases to check. For a rather different example, in some sense Helfgott's proof of the weak Goldbach conjecture is of this form: he reduces the problem to checking finitely many cases and then does the check. I think this is an example of what you don't want to see (because without the finite check Helfgott still proves something; that's not true for 4CT).
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I think that this is a very interesting question, but I think it doesn't fit the MO mission of focussed questions with a definite answer. MO has some tolerance for big-list questions, so maybe it would be appropriate if made community wiki. (You can do this by flagging your own post for moderator attention, if you agree.)
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I think that this is a very interesting question, but I think it doesn't fit the MO mission of focussed questions with a definite answer. MO has some tolerance for big-list questions, so maybe it would be appropriate if made community wiki. (You can do this by flagging your own post for moderator attention, if you agree.)
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There are certainly a lot of proofs which are vaguely similar to the Four Colour Theorem; search for 'discharging method' which is a (the most common but certainly not the only) way to reduce a general graph problem to a finite set of cases to check. For a rather different example, in some sense Helfgott's proof of the weak Goldbach conjecture is of this form: he reduces the problem to checking finitely many cases and then does the check. I think this is an example of what you don't want to see (because without the finite check Helfgott still proves something; that's not true for 4CT).
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There are certainly a lot of proofs which are vaguely similar to the Four Colour Theorem; search for 'discharging method' which is a (the most common but certainly not the only) way to reduce a general graph problem to a finite set of cases to check. For a rather different example, in some sense Helfgott's proof of the weak Goldbach conjecture is of this form: he reduces the problem to checking finitely many cases and then does the check. I think this is an example of what you don't want to see (because without the finite check Helfgott still proves something; that's not true for 4CT).
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In 1972, I have developed a general theory of isometric embeddings of finite metric spaces into finite-dimensional Banach spaces, in particular, the injective case, i.e. into metrically injective spaces $ mathbb R^n $ with metrics given by $ max.$ An announcement has appeared a couple of years later in AMS Notices. One of the theorems fits the present thread:
For every natural $ k n $ there is an EXPLICIT natural constant $ mu(k n) $ such that the following two statements are equivalent:
(i) every $k$-element metric space can be isometrically embedded
into $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance given by $ max;$
(ii) every $k$-element metric space with integer distances, and of diameter
$ le mu(k n), $ can be isometrically embedded into subspace
$, 0 ldots mu(k n)^n $ of $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance
given by $ max$.
For each natural $ n $ there exists a maximal $ u(n)=k $ as above; and also
$ U(n) $ similar to $ u(n) $ but for ALL $ n$-dimensional Banach spaces TOGETHER (for each fixed dimension $ n. $) Then in the non-trivial case of $ nge 2 $ we get
$$ n+2 le u(n) le U(n) le biglceilfrac3cdot n2bigrceil + 1 $$
We see from (i)+(ii) that finding $ u(n) $ got reduced to a finite computation.
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It is very common, when finding solutions to Diophantine equations, to use Baker's method of linear forms in logarithms to reduce the problem to a finite computation (that is, to find an upper bound for the solutions).
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For the sake of completeness, let me mention the direction which is opposite to the OP's Question.
There are combinatorial optimizations problems which deal with a finite (but large) input set at the start, and the point is to optimize a real function over the input. Such problems are often messy.
Then, some time ago, Hungarian mathematicians started to embed the input set into a Euclidean n-space, and they'd extend the said function to a linear or convex function over the convex hull of the input. Since the optimum over the whole hull is reached at a vertex then... etc.
We see that sometimes situations which are strictly finite (looking for an exact answer) get hm-reduced to infinite situations.
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In 1972, I have developed a general theory of isometric embeddings of finite metric spaces into finite-dimensional Banach spaces, in particular, the injective case, i.e. into metrically injective spaces $ mathbb R^n $ with metrics given by $ max.$ An announcement has appeared a couple of years later in AMS Notices. One of the theorems fits the present thread:
For every natural $ k n $ there is an EXPLICIT natural constant $ mu(k n) $ such that the following two statements are equivalent:
(i) every $k$-element metric space can be isometrically embedded
into $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance given by $ max;$
(ii) every $k$-element metric space with integer distances, and of diameter
$ le mu(k n), $ can be isometrically embedded into subspace
$, 0 ldots mu(k n)^n $ of $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance
given by $ max$.
For each natural $ n $ there exists a maximal $ u(n)=k $ as above; and also
$ U(n) $ similar to $ u(n) $ but for ALL $ n$-dimensional Banach spaces TOGETHER (for each fixed dimension $ n. $) Then in the non-trivial case of $ nge 2 $ we get
$$ n+2 le u(n) le U(n) le biglceilfrac3cdot n2bigrceil + 1 $$
We see from (i)+(ii) that finding $ u(n) $ got reduced to a finite computation.
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In 1972, I have developed a general theory of isometric embeddings of finite metric spaces into finite-dimensional Banach spaces, in particular, the injective case, i.e. into metrically injective spaces $ mathbb R^n $ with metrics given by $ max.$ An announcement has appeared a couple of years later in AMS Notices. One of the theorems fits the present thread:
For every natural $ k n $ there is an EXPLICIT natural constant $ mu(k n) $ such that the following two statements are equivalent:
(i) every $k$-element metric space can be isometrically embedded
into $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance given by $ max;$
(ii) every $k$-element metric space with integer distances, and of diameter
$ le mu(k n), $ can be isometrically embedded into subspace
$, 0 ldots mu(k n)^n $ of $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance
given by $ max$.
For each natural $ n $ there exists a maximal $ u(n)=k $ as above; and also
$ U(n) $ similar to $ u(n) $ but for ALL $ n$-dimensional Banach spaces TOGETHER (for each fixed dimension $ n. $) Then in the non-trivial case of $ nge 2 $ we get
$$ n+2 le u(n) le U(n) le biglceilfrac3cdot n2bigrceil + 1 $$
We see from (i)+(ii) that finding $ u(n) $ got reduced to a finite computation.
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In 1972, I have developed a general theory of isometric embeddings of finite metric spaces into finite-dimensional Banach spaces, in particular, the injective case, i.e. into metrically injective spaces $ mathbb R^n $ with metrics given by $ max.$ An announcement has appeared a couple of years later in AMS Notices. One of the theorems fits the present thread:
For every natural $ k n $ there is an EXPLICIT natural constant $ mu(k n) $ such that the following two statements are equivalent:
(i) every $k$-element metric space can be isometrically embedded
into $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance given by $ max;$
(ii) every $k$-element metric space with integer distances, and of diameter
$ le mu(k n), $ can be isometrically embedded into subspace
$, 0 ldots mu(k n)^n $ of $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance
given by $ max$.
For each natural $ n $ there exists a maximal $ u(n)=k $ as above; and also
$ U(n) $ similar to $ u(n) $ but for ALL $ n$-dimensional Banach spaces TOGETHER (for each fixed dimension $ n. $) Then in the non-trivial case of $ nge 2 $ we get
$$ n+2 le u(n) le U(n) le biglceilfrac3cdot n2bigrceil + 1 $$
We see from (i)+(ii) that finding $ u(n) $ got reduced to a finite computation.
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In 1972, I have developed a general theory of isometric embeddings of finite metric spaces into finite-dimensional Banach spaces, in particular, the injective case, i.e. into metrically injective spaces $ mathbb R^n $ with metrics given by $ max.$ An announcement has appeared a couple of years later in AMS Notices. One of the theorems fits the present thread:
For every natural $ k n $ there is an EXPLICIT natural constant $ mu(k n) $ such that the following two statements are equivalent:
(i) every $k$-element metric space can be isometrically embedded
into $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance given by $ max;$
(ii) every $k$-element metric space with integer distances, and of diameter
$ le mu(k n), $ can be isometrically embedded into subspace
$, 0 ldots mu(k n)^n $ of $ mathbb R^n$ with the distance
given by $ max$.
For each natural $ n $ there exists a maximal $ u(n)=k $ as above; and also
$ U(n) $ similar to $ u(n) $ but for ALL $ n$-dimensional Banach spaces TOGETHER (for each fixed dimension $ n. $) Then in the non-trivial case of $ nge 2 $ we get
$$ n+2 le u(n) le U(n) le biglceilfrac3cdot n2bigrceil + 1 $$
We see from (i)+(ii) that finding $ u(n) $ got reduced to a finite computation.
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It is very common, when finding solutions to Diophantine equations, to use Baker's method of linear forms in logarithms to reduce the problem to a finite computation (that is, to find an upper bound for the solutions).
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It is very common, when finding solutions to Diophantine equations, to use Baker's method of linear forms in logarithms to reduce the problem to a finite computation (that is, to find an upper bound for the solutions).
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It is very common, when finding solutions to Diophantine equations, to use Baker's method of linear forms in logarithms to reduce the problem to a finite computation (that is, to find an upper bound for the solutions).
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It is very common, when finding solutions to Diophantine equations, to use Baker's method of linear forms in logarithms to reduce the problem to a finite computation (that is, to find an upper bound for the solutions).
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For the sake of completeness, let me mention the direction which is opposite to the OP's Question.
There are combinatorial optimizations problems which deal with a finite (but large) input set at the start, and the point is to optimize a real function over the input. Such problems are often messy.
Then, some time ago, Hungarian mathematicians started to embed the input set into a Euclidean n-space, and they'd extend the said function to a linear or convex function over the convex hull of the input. Since the optimum over the whole hull is reached at a vertex then... etc.
We see that sometimes situations which are strictly finite (looking for an exact answer) get hm-reduced to infinite situations.
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For the sake of completeness, let me mention the direction which is opposite to the OP's Question.
There are combinatorial optimizations problems which deal with a finite (but large) input set at the start, and the point is to optimize a real function over the input. Such problems are often messy.
Then, some time ago, Hungarian mathematicians started to embed the input set into a Euclidean n-space, and they'd extend the said function to a linear or convex function over the convex hull of the input. Since the optimum over the whole hull is reached at a vertex then... etc.
We see that sometimes situations which are strictly finite (looking for an exact answer) get hm-reduced to infinite situations.
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For the sake of completeness, let me mention the direction which is opposite to the OP's Question.
There are combinatorial optimizations problems which deal with a finite (but large) input set at the start, and the point is to optimize a real function over the input. Such problems are often messy.
Then, some time ago, Hungarian mathematicians started to embed the input set into a Euclidean n-space, and they'd extend the said function to a linear or convex function over the convex hull of the input. Since the optimum over the whole hull is reached at a vertex then... etc.
We see that sometimes situations which are strictly finite (looking for an exact answer) get hm-reduced to infinite situations.
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For the sake of completeness, let me mention the direction which is opposite to the OP's Question.
There are combinatorial optimizations problems which deal with a finite (but large) input set at the start, and the point is to optimize a real function over the input. Such problems are often messy.
Then, some time ago, Hungarian mathematicians started to embed the input set into a Euclidean n-space, and they'd extend the said function to a linear or convex function over the convex hull of the input. Since the optimum over the whole hull is reached at a vertex then... etc.
We see that sometimes situations which are strictly finite (looking for an exact answer) get hm-reduced to infinite situations.
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There are certainly a lot of proofs which are vaguely similar to the Four Colour Theorem; search for 'discharging method' which is a (the most common but certainly not the only) way to reduce a general graph problem to a finite set of cases to check. For a rather different example, in some sense Helfgott's proof of the weak Goldbach conjecture is of this form: he reduces the problem to checking finitely many cases and then does the check. I think this is an example of what you don't want to see (because without the finite check Helfgott still proves something; that's not true for 4CT).
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