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History: Per Leviticus 19:27 would the apostles have had corner locks ala Hassidim today?
Does a leper have yellow hair or black hair?Pagan hairstyle forbidden in Leviticus 19, who had it?Is this person's translation of the Hebrew of Leviticus 18:22 accurate?How to understand Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13Is being “cut off from one's people” the cause or effect of sin?Does the Hebrew word “olam“ mean “forever” in Leviticus 23:41?In Leviticus 14:8-9 when is a person considered ceremonially clean?According to Leviticus 23:32 is fasting mandatory on the Day of Atonement or not?Relationship Jn13:34, Dt6:5 and Lev19:18?Why does the peace offering have a three day ultimatum within which it must be eaten? Lev 19:6
[Lev 19:27 ESV] (27) You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
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[Lev 19:27 ESV] (27) You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
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[Lev 19:27 ESV] (27) You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
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[Lev 19:27 ESV] (27) You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
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Most likely not.
The passage we find this commandment in is as follows (my translation):
... I, the Lord, am your God.
You shall not eat anything in its blood,*nor do incantations, nor anything arcane.
You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor tamper with the sides of your beard.
And you shall not make in your flesh any cutting for the dead, nor mark any writing upon yourselves: I am the Lord.
* Somewhat obscure: לא תאכלו על הדם ("you shall not eat against/upon/in/with blood")
Translation-wise, I think "round the edges of your head" is too rigid and non-contextual a translation or interpretation. Edges hear seems to refer to the sides, i.e. "around the head."
The whole little pericope seems to have to do with pagan practices (cutting onself for the dead, making markings in their flesh, divining etc.), ones to be avoided by Israelites. A sign for setting them apart, I don't think, is in view at all except in that they are not to do what makes one pagan—which here clearly refers to cultic cuttings and shavings, not keeping your hair and beard trimmed. It seems to have the same thrust as the following (Deuteronomy 14:1-2):
You are the children of the Lord, your God: you shall not lash yourselves or make a baldness between your eyes for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord, and the Lord chose you to be His for his own people over all the peoples upon the face of the earth.
The Hassidic practice seems to be a novelty, and is entirely absent from art depicting Jews, by Jews, from ancient times.
The following fresco from the Dura-Europos Synagogue (second century) is representative of ancient Jewish art.
(David is anointed by Saul).
Here, none of the males have long sidelocks, or even beards for that matter (on most of them).
Later, even from art from a the 6th century Synagogue in Gaza, again, we have King David sporting a baby-smooth face, and no sidelocks—or beard:
This is inconceivable if this was in any way the ancient and indispensable practice of the Jews. It seems like yet another one of the result of the kind of pedantic surmising discussions found in the Talmud, and for to tire an old trope, a 'tradition of men.'
answered 4 hours ago
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This is a good answer. However, since Jews are not a monolith it could have been a practice in one place and not another. But I think it throws the burden on those who want to say that they did practice this so will probably be the answer unless something else comes up.
– Ruminator
4 hours ago
I agree this is a very goo answer. +1.
– Mac's Musings
3 hours ago
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Most likely not.
The passage we find this commandment in is as follows (my translation):
... I, the Lord, am your God.
You shall not eat anything in its blood,*nor do incantations, nor anything arcane.
You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor tamper with the sides of your beard.
And you shall not make in your flesh any cutting for the dead, nor mark any writing upon yourselves: I am the Lord.
* Somewhat obscure: לא תאכלו על הדם ("you shall not eat against/upon/in/with blood")
Translation-wise, I think "round the edges of your head" is too rigid and non-contextual a translation or interpretation. Edges hear seems to refer to the sides, i.e. "around the head."
The whole little pericope seems to have to do with pagan practices (cutting onself for the dead, making markings in their flesh, divining etc.), ones to be avoided by Israelites. A sign for setting them apart, I don't think, is in view at all except in that they are not to do what makes one pagan—which here clearly refers to cultic cuttings and shavings, not keeping your hair and beard trimmed. It seems to have the same thrust as the following (Deuteronomy 14:1-2):
You are the children of the Lord, your God: you shall not lash yourselves or make a baldness between your eyes for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord, and the Lord chose you to be His for his own people over all the peoples upon the face of the earth.
The Hassidic practice seems to be a novelty, and is entirely absent from art depicting Jews, by Jews, from ancient times.
The following fresco from the Dura-Europos Synagogue (second century) is representative of ancient Jewish art.
(David is anointed by Saul).
Here, none of the males have long sidelocks, or even beards for that matter (on most of them).
Later, even from art from a the 6th century Synagogue in Gaza, again, we have King David sporting a baby-smooth face, and no sidelocks—or beard:
This is inconceivable if this was in any way the ancient and indispensable practice of the Jews. It seems like yet another one of the result of the kind of pedantic surmising discussions found in the Talmud, and for to tire an old trope, a 'tradition of men.'
answered 4 hours ago
Sola GratiaSola Gratia
3,928521
This is a good answer. However, since Jews are not a monolith it could have been a practice in one place and not another. But I think it throws the burden on those who want to say that they did practice this so will probably be the answer unless something else comes up.
– Ruminator
4 hours ago
I agree this is a very goo answer. +1.
– Mac's Musings
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Most likely not.
The passage we find this commandment in is as follows (my translation):
... I, the Lord, am your God.
You shall not eat anything in its blood,*nor do incantations, nor anything arcane.
You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor tamper with the sides of your beard.
And you shall not make in your flesh any cutting for the dead, nor mark any writing upon yourselves: I am the Lord.
* Somewhat obscure: לא תאכלו על הדם ("you shall not eat against/upon/in/with blood")
Translation-wise, I think "round the edges of your head" is too rigid and non-contextual a translation or interpretation. Edges hear seems to refer to the sides, i.e. "around the head."
The whole little pericope seems to have to do with pagan practices (cutting onself for the dead, making markings in their flesh, divining etc.), ones to be avoided by Israelites. A sign for setting them apart, I don't think, is in view at all except in that they are not to do what makes one pagan—which here clearly refers to cultic cuttings and shavings, not keeping your hair and beard trimmed. It seems to have the same thrust as the following (Deuteronomy 14:1-2):
You are the children of the Lord, your God: you shall not lash yourselves or make a baldness between your eyes for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord, and the Lord chose you to be His for his own people over all the peoples upon the face of the earth.
The Hassidic practice seems to be a novelty, and is entirely absent from art depicting Jews, by Jews, from ancient times.
The following fresco from the Dura-Europos Synagogue (second century) is representative of ancient Jewish art.
(David is anointed by Saul).
Here, none of the males have long sidelocks, or even beards for that matter (on most of them).
Later, even from art from a the 6th century Synagogue in Gaza, again, we have King David sporting a baby-smooth face, and no sidelocks—or beard:
This is inconceivable if this was in any way the ancient and indispensable practice of the Jews. It seems like yet another one of the result of the kind of pedantic surmising discussions found in the Talmud, and for to tire an old trope, a 'tradition of men.'
answered 4 hours ago
Sola GratiaSola Gratia
3,928521
This is a good answer. However, since Jews are not a monolith it could have been a practice in one place and not another. But I think it throws the burden on those who want to say that they did practice this so will probably be the answer unless something else comes up.
– Ruminator
4 hours ago
I agree this is a very goo answer. +1.
– Mac's Musings
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Most likely not.
The passage we find this commandment in is as follows (my translation):
... I, the Lord, am your God.
You shall not eat anything in its blood,*nor do incantations, nor anything arcane.
You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor tamper with the sides of your beard.
And you shall not make in your flesh any cutting for the dead, nor mark any writing upon yourselves: I am the Lord.
* Somewhat obscure: לא תאכלו על הדם ("you shall not eat against/upon/in/with blood")
Translation-wise, I think "round the edges of your head" is too rigid and non-contextual a translation or interpretation. Edges hear seems to refer to the sides, i.e. "around the head."
The whole little pericope seems to have to do with pagan practices (cutting onself for the dead, making markings in their flesh, divining etc.), ones to be avoided by Israelites. A sign for setting them apart, I don't think, is in view at all except in that they are not to do what makes one pagan—which here clearly refers to cultic cuttings and shavings, not keeping your hair and beard trimmed. It seems to have the same thrust as the following (Deuteronomy 14:1-2):
You are the children of the Lord, your God: you shall not lash yourselves or make a baldness between your eyes for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord, and the Lord chose you to be His for his own people over all the peoples upon the face of the earth.
The Hassidic practice seems to be a novelty, and is entirely absent from art depicting Jews, by Jews, from ancient times.
The following fresco from the Dura-Europos Synagogue (second century) is representative of ancient Jewish art.
(David is anointed by Saul).
Here, none of the males have long sidelocks, or even beards for that matter (on most of them).
Later, even from art from a the 6th century Synagogue in Gaza, again, we have King David sporting a baby-smooth face, and no sidelocks—or beard:
This is inconceivable if this was in any way the ancient and indispensable practice of the Jews. It seems like yet another one of the result of the kind of pedantic surmising discussions found in the Talmud, and for to tire an old trope, a 'tradition of men.'
answered 4 hours ago
Sola GratiaSola Gratia
3,928521
Most likely not.
The passage we find this commandment in is as follows (my translation):
... I, the Lord, am your God.
You shall not eat anything in its blood,*nor do incantations, nor anything arcane.
You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor tamper with the sides of your beard.
And you shall not make in your flesh any cutting for the dead, nor mark any writing upon yourselves: I am the Lord.
* Somewhat obscure: לא תאכלו על הדם ("you shall not eat against/upon/in/with blood")
Translation-wise, I think "round the edges of your head" is too rigid and non-contextual a translation or interpretation. Edges hear seems to refer to the sides, i.e. "around the head."
The whole little pericope seems to have to do with pagan practices (cutting onself for the dead, making markings in their flesh, divining etc.), ones to be avoided by Israelites. A sign for setting them apart, I don't think, is in view at all except in that they are not to do what makes one pagan—which here clearly refers to cultic cuttings and shavings, not keeping your hair and beard trimmed. It seems to have the same thrust as the following (Deuteronomy 14:1-2):
You are the children of the Lord, your God: you shall not lash yourselves or make a baldness between your eyes for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord, and the Lord chose you to be His for his own people over all the peoples upon the face of the earth.
The Hassidic practice seems to be a novelty, and is entirely absent from art depicting Jews, by Jews, from ancient times.
The following fresco from the Dura-Europos Synagogue (second century) is representative of ancient Jewish art.
(David is anointed by Saul).
Here, none of the males have long sidelocks, or even beards for that matter (on most of them).
Later, even from art from a the 6th century Synagogue in Gaza, again, we have King David sporting a baby-smooth face, and no sidelocks—or beard:
This is inconceivable if this was in any way the ancient and indispensable practice of the Jews. It seems like yet another one of the result of the kind of pedantic surmising discussions found in the Talmud, and for to tire an old trope, a 'tradition of men.'
answered 4 hours ago
Sola GratiaSola Gratia
3,928521
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This is a good answer. However, since Jews are not a monolith it could have been a practice in one place and not another. But I think it throws the burden on those who want to say that they did practice this so will probably be the answer unless something else comes up.
– Ruminator
4 hours ago
I agree this is a very goo answer. +1.
– Mac's Musings
3 hours ago
add a comment |
This is a good answer. However, since Jews are not a monolith it could have been a practice in one place and not another. But I think it throws the burden on those who want to say that they did practice this so will probably be the answer unless something else comes up.
– Ruminator
4 hours ago
I agree this is a very goo answer. +1.
– Mac's Musings
3 hours ago
This is a good answer. However, since Jews are not a monolith it could have been a practice in one place and not another. But I think it throws the burden on those who want to say that they did practice this so will probably be the answer unless something else comes up.
– Ruminator
4 hours ago
This is a good answer. However, since Jews are not a monolith it could have been a practice in one place and not another. But I think it throws the burden on those who want to say that they did practice this so will probably be the answer unless something else comes up.
– Ruminator
4 hours ago
I agree this is a very goo answer. +1.
– Mac's Musings
3 hours ago
I agree this is a very goo answer. +1.
– Mac's Musings
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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