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Do the 26 richest billionaires own as much wealth as the poorest 3.8 billion people?


Can a society become unhappier with an increase in wealth?Can we end poverty for $US175 billion per year?x percent of people own y percent of the wealthDo Americans spend 9.14 billion hours on government paperwork every year?Do the Jewish control a larger proportion of U.S. wealth than their proportion in the population?Did tax and inflation consume more wealth in the 20th Century than previously produced?Do the world's eight richest people have as much wealth as the poorest 50%Can the world economic crisis affect Brazil that much as stated by our President?Is there anything to Jay-Z's claim that “Jewish people own all the property in America”?How much does the White House pay to their employees?






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Bernie Sanders, who is running for president in 2020 gave a speech a few days ago. He makes a claim which goes like the following:




Today the world's richest 26 billionaires, 26, now own as much wealth as the poorest 3.8 billion people on the planet, half of the world's population.
Link to video




This is a surprising figure, at least to me (though maybe it shouldn't be.) I'm just wondering if it's true.










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    I have made an Excel spreadsheet summing up the worth of billionaires at Forbes (forbes.com/billionaires), here: 414soft.com/billionaires.xlsx. Free to use. Here is probably a good place to investigate further: data.worldbank.org, resources from Oxfam can be found here: oxfam.app.box.com/s/f9meuz1jrd9e1xrkrq59e37tpoppqup0/folder/…

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    Likely, everyone here owns more than the poorest 1 billion people combined. Statistics like this can be deceiving.

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  • @Sjoerd It's highly dependent on if "wealth" calculations include debt.

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Bernie Sanders, who is running for president in 2020 gave a speech a few days ago. He makes a claim which goes like the following:




Today the world's richest 26 billionaires, 26, now own as much wealth as the poorest 3.8 billion people on the planet, half of the world's population.
Link to video




This is a surprising figure, at least to me (though maybe it shouldn't be.) I'm just wondering if it's true.










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    I have made an Excel spreadsheet summing up the worth of billionaires at Forbes (forbes.com/billionaires), here: 414soft.com/billionaires.xlsx. Free to use. Here is probably a good place to investigate further: data.worldbank.org, resources from Oxfam can be found here: oxfam.app.box.com/s/f9meuz1jrd9e1xrkrq59e37tpoppqup0/folder/…

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    Likely, everyone here owns more than the poorest 1 billion people combined. Statistics like this can be deceiving.

    – Sjoerd
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  • @Sjoerd It's highly dependent on if "wealth" calculations include debt.

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    4 hours ago












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Bernie Sanders, who is running for president in 2020 gave a speech a few days ago. He makes a claim which goes like the following:




Today the world's richest 26 billionaires, 26, now own as much wealth as the poorest 3.8 billion people on the planet, half of the world's population.
Link to video




This is a surprising figure, at least to me (though maybe it shouldn't be.) I'm just wondering if it's true.










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Bernie Sanders, who is running for president in 2020 gave a speech a few days ago. He makes a claim which goes like the following:




Today the world's richest 26 billionaires, 26, now own as much wealth as the poorest 3.8 billion people on the planet, half of the world's population.
Link to video




This is a surprising figure, at least to me (though maybe it shouldn't be.) I'm just wondering if it's true.







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    I have made an Excel spreadsheet summing up the worth of billionaires at Forbes (forbes.com/billionaires), here: 414soft.com/billionaires.xlsx. Free to use. Here is probably a good place to investigate further: data.worldbank.org, resources from Oxfam can be found here: oxfam.app.box.com/s/f9meuz1jrd9e1xrkrq59e37tpoppqup0/folder/…

    – Jacob Oscarson
    15 hours ago






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    Likely, everyone here owns more than the poorest 1 billion people combined. Statistics like this can be deceiving.

    – Sjoerd
    5 hours ago











  • @Sjoerd It's highly dependent on if "wealth" calculations include debt.

    – fredsbend
    4 hours ago












  • How many of the poorest people does Bernie Sanders' net worth add up to be?

    – Nacht
    22 mins ago












  • 1





    I have made an Excel spreadsheet summing up the worth of billionaires at Forbes (forbes.com/billionaires), here: 414soft.com/billionaires.xlsx. Free to use. Here is probably a good place to investigate further: data.worldbank.org, resources from Oxfam can be found here: oxfam.app.box.com/s/f9meuz1jrd9e1xrkrq59e37tpoppqup0/folder/…

    – Jacob Oscarson
    15 hours ago






  • 2





    Likely, everyone here owns more than the poorest 1 billion people combined. Statistics like this can be deceiving.

    – Sjoerd
    5 hours ago











  • @Sjoerd It's highly dependent on if "wealth" calculations include debt.

    – fredsbend
    4 hours ago












  • How many of the poorest people does Bernie Sanders' net worth add up to be?

    – Nacht
    22 mins ago







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I have made an Excel spreadsheet summing up the worth of billionaires at Forbes (forbes.com/billionaires), here: 414soft.com/billionaires.xlsx. Free to use. Here is probably a good place to investigate further: data.worldbank.org, resources from Oxfam can be found here: oxfam.app.box.com/s/f9meuz1jrd9e1xrkrq59e37tpoppqup0/folder/…

– Jacob Oscarson
15 hours ago





I have made an Excel spreadsheet summing up the worth of billionaires at Forbes (forbes.com/billionaires), here: 414soft.com/billionaires.xlsx. Free to use. Here is probably a good place to investigate further: data.worldbank.org, resources from Oxfam can be found here: oxfam.app.box.com/s/f9meuz1jrd9e1xrkrq59e37tpoppqup0/folder/…

– Jacob Oscarson
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Likely, everyone here owns more than the poorest 1 billion people combined. Statistics like this can be deceiving.

– Sjoerd
5 hours ago





Likely, everyone here owns more than the poorest 1 billion people combined. Statistics like this can be deceiving.

– Sjoerd
5 hours ago













@Sjoerd It's highly dependent on if "wealth" calculations include debt.

– fredsbend
4 hours ago






@Sjoerd It's highly dependent on if "wealth" calculations include debt.

– fredsbend
4 hours ago














How many of the poorest people does Bernie Sanders' net worth add up to be?

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Short Answer: True.



Every year, in time for Davos (i.e. the Annual Meeting for the World Economic Forum), Oxfam releases a report about the state of inequality. Here's a link to their latest. Additional link to calculations down at the bottom of the page.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2019-01-18/billionaire-fortunes-grew-25-billion-day-last-year-poorest-saw



I'm pretty sure the US senator was referring to that.



Now, a couple of things to note:



  1. If Oxfam's research were bad (it's pretty darn good), it would be discredited by many many business folk and of course top-rated economists - especially since they habitually present this at the most august fora they can get into. The WEF is up there, obviously.


  2. While Oxfam reports are "grey literature", serious academics like Sen, Stiglitz and Piketty have made the same point over the past 10 years, albeit differently nuanced - academic writing generally does not aim at the same shock factor that INGOs aspire to.


  3. There is a distinction between income inequality, wealth inequality... and other important inequalities (e.g. gender). Oxfam's 26 vs 3.8 Billion refers to wealth inequality.






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    Criticis of oxfams statistics usually focus on their choosen measurement, which is net wealth. Net wealth, in this case, means that the "poorest" are those heavily in debt. Their debt is also subtracted from whatever wealth anyone in the "poor half" has. In short, if you are completely broke but debt free, you are (by oxfam measurements) richer than the entire poorest billion.

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    @Guran True, but of course the counterpoint (and I presume Oxfam's argument) is that ignoring debt doesn't make much sense. Taking out a million dollar loan does not make you a millionaire. In any case, ignoring those with net debt still gives a similarly small number.

    – Bryan Krause
    13 hours ago






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    I think you are missing the point. If a newborn baby is richer than a billion people, does that tell us something about the newborn baby? Or the billion people? Also consider the possibility that someone like Donald Trump is a net debtor of, say, a billion dollars (probably true during one of his bankruptcies). Are we really holding up a person like that as a sign of inequality because he's so poor?

    – Brythan
    5 hours ago











  • The biggest criticism in my mind is that the common person conflates wealth with purchasing power. Then they conflate cash with credit. Calculating wealth in this matter to determine equity while neglecting these other two points gives us, at best, a meaningless metric. Further conflation is wealth vs income. All of these things matter if we're examining equity.

    – fredsbend
    4 hours ago












  • @Brythan reminds me of the following: “They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me’"

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That statistic is at least plausible, and likely true. Children have essentially no wealth, so to start out the richest are already ahead of about 25% of the world (about 1.9 billion people) simply by having a positive net worth. The next 1.9 billion is made up of the impoverished adults, young adults that are just starting careers, working class populations, and middle class adults.



Wealth is misleading when used as a statistic because it's largely a function of saving over time, the rule of thumb for savings is that they double about every 7 years when invested wisely. The top 26 billionaires are people that have been extremely wealthy for decades. The thing to keep in mind with these numbers is that the average retiree will also have as much wealth as about 50-60% of that number, simply because most haven't had time to accumulate any wealth.






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  • "Invested wisely" is the important part. Not everyone invests (whether due to lack of willingness to do so or simply not having the money to spare), and those that do don't always invest wisely.

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Technically true, but misleading. First, this includes people with supposedly "negative" net worth, a questionable concept, and this "negative" net wealth is added to other people's positive net wealth, as if one person's debt cancels out another person's assets. Second, "net wealth" refers to particular categories of wealth that are



  1. measurable

    and

  2. important in Western capitalist societies.

If someone takes out a student loan, the value of the loan is included in their "net wealth", but the value of the education is not. If someone lives in a culture without the concept of money, their "net wealth" could very well be considered to be zero, or negligible, even if their web of social connections gives them access to a large amount of resources.



So, basically, the 26 people who have done the best at playing the Western capitalist game have more points than 3.8 billion people put together, many of whom are playing a completely different game. I'm sure the 26 top tennis players have scored more tennis points that the bottom 3.8 billion people put together, too.



If by "wealth", we mean "utility available from resources one has access to", then this claim, as your intuition told you, is absurd.






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    Short Answer: True.



    Every year, in time for Davos (i.e. the Annual Meeting for the World Economic Forum), Oxfam releases a report about the state of inequality. Here's a link to their latest. Additional link to calculations down at the bottom of the page.
    https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2019-01-18/billionaire-fortunes-grew-25-billion-day-last-year-poorest-saw



    I'm pretty sure the US senator was referring to that.



    Now, a couple of things to note:



    1. If Oxfam's research were bad (it's pretty darn good), it would be discredited by many many business folk and of course top-rated economists - especially since they habitually present this at the most august fora they can get into. The WEF is up there, obviously.


    2. While Oxfam reports are "grey literature", serious academics like Sen, Stiglitz and Piketty have made the same point over the past 10 years, albeit differently nuanced - academic writing generally does not aim at the same shock factor that INGOs aspire to.


    3. There is a distinction between income inequality, wealth inequality... and other important inequalities (e.g. gender). Oxfam's 26 vs 3.8 Billion refers to wealth inequality.






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      Criticis of oxfams statistics usually focus on their choosen measurement, which is net wealth. Net wealth, in this case, means that the "poorest" are those heavily in debt. Their debt is also subtracted from whatever wealth anyone in the "poor half" has. In short, if you are completely broke but debt free, you are (by oxfam measurements) richer than the entire poorest billion.

      – Guran
      16 hours ago






    • 13





      @Guran True, but of course the counterpoint (and I presume Oxfam's argument) is that ignoring debt doesn't make much sense. Taking out a million dollar loan does not make you a millionaire. In any case, ignoring those with net debt still gives a similarly small number.

      – Bryan Krause
      13 hours ago






    • 3





      I think you are missing the point. If a newborn baby is richer than a billion people, does that tell us something about the newborn baby? Or the billion people? Also consider the possibility that someone like Donald Trump is a net debtor of, say, a billion dollars (probably true during one of his bankruptcies). Are we really holding up a person like that as a sign of inequality because he's so poor?

      – Brythan
      5 hours ago











    • The biggest criticism in my mind is that the common person conflates wealth with purchasing power. Then they conflate cash with credit. Calculating wealth in this matter to determine equity while neglecting these other two points gives us, at best, a meaningless metric. Further conflation is wealth vs income. All of these things matter if we're examining equity.

      – fredsbend
      4 hours ago












    • @Brythan reminds me of the following: “They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me’"

      – Andrew Grimm
      1 hour ago















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    Short Answer: True.



    Every year, in time for Davos (i.e. the Annual Meeting for the World Economic Forum), Oxfam releases a report about the state of inequality. Here's a link to their latest. Additional link to calculations down at the bottom of the page.
    https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2019-01-18/billionaire-fortunes-grew-25-billion-day-last-year-poorest-saw



    I'm pretty sure the US senator was referring to that.



    Now, a couple of things to note:



    1. If Oxfam's research were bad (it's pretty darn good), it would be discredited by many many business folk and of course top-rated economists - especially since they habitually present this at the most august fora they can get into. The WEF is up there, obviously.


    2. While Oxfam reports are "grey literature", serious academics like Sen, Stiglitz and Piketty have made the same point over the past 10 years, albeit differently nuanced - academic writing generally does not aim at the same shock factor that INGOs aspire to.


    3. There is a distinction between income inequality, wealth inequality... and other important inequalities (e.g. gender). Oxfam's 26 vs 3.8 Billion refers to wealth inequality.






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      Criticis of oxfams statistics usually focus on their choosen measurement, which is net wealth. Net wealth, in this case, means that the "poorest" are those heavily in debt. Their debt is also subtracted from whatever wealth anyone in the "poor half" has. In short, if you are completely broke but debt free, you are (by oxfam measurements) richer than the entire poorest billion.

      – Guran
      16 hours ago






    • 13





      @Guran True, but of course the counterpoint (and I presume Oxfam's argument) is that ignoring debt doesn't make much sense. Taking out a million dollar loan does not make you a millionaire. In any case, ignoring those with net debt still gives a similarly small number.

      – Bryan Krause
      13 hours ago






    • 3





      I think you are missing the point. If a newborn baby is richer than a billion people, does that tell us something about the newborn baby? Or the billion people? Also consider the possibility that someone like Donald Trump is a net debtor of, say, a billion dollars (probably true during one of his bankruptcies). Are we really holding up a person like that as a sign of inequality because he's so poor?

      – Brythan
      5 hours ago











    • The biggest criticism in my mind is that the common person conflates wealth with purchasing power. Then they conflate cash with credit. Calculating wealth in this matter to determine equity while neglecting these other two points gives us, at best, a meaningless metric. Further conflation is wealth vs income. All of these things matter if we're examining equity.

      – fredsbend
      4 hours ago












    • @Brythan reminds me of the following: “They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me’"

      – Andrew Grimm
      1 hour ago













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    Short Answer: True.



    Every year, in time for Davos (i.e. the Annual Meeting for the World Economic Forum), Oxfam releases a report about the state of inequality. Here's a link to their latest. Additional link to calculations down at the bottom of the page.
    https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2019-01-18/billionaire-fortunes-grew-25-billion-day-last-year-poorest-saw



    I'm pretty sure the US senator was referring to that.



    Now, a couple of things to note:



    1. If Oxfam's research were bad (it's pretty darn good), it would be discredited by many many business folk and of course top-rated economists - especially since they habitually present this at the most august fora they can get into. The WEF is up there, obviously.


    2. While Oxfam reports are "grey literature", serious academics like Sen, Stiglitz and Piketty have made the same point over the past 10 years, albeit differently nuanced - academic writing generally does not aim at the same shock factor that INGOs aspire to.


    3. There is a distinction between income inequality, wealth inequality... and other important inequalities (e.g. gender). Oxfam's 26 vs 3.8 Billion refers to wealth inequality.






    share|improve this answer













    Short Answer: True.



    Every year, in time for Davos (i.e. the Annual Meeting for the World Economic Forum), Oxfam releases a report about the state of inequality. Here's a link to their latest. Additional link to calculations down at the bottom of the page.
    https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2019-01-18/billionaire-fortunes-grew-25-billion-day-last-year-poorest-saw



    I'm pretty sure the US senator was referring to that.



    Now, a couple of things to note:



    1. If Oxfam's research were bad (it's pretty darn good), it would be discredited by many many business folk and of course top-rated economists - especially since they habitually present this at the most august fora they can get into. The WEF is up there, obviously.


    2. While Oxfam reports are "grey literature", serious academics like Sen, Stiglitz and Piketty have made the same point over the past 10 years, albeit differently nuanced - academic writing generally does not aim at the same shock factor that INGOs aspire to.


    3. There is a distinction between income inequality, wealth inequality... and other important inequalities (e.g. gender). Oxfam's 26 vs 3.8 Billion refers to wealth inequality.







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      Criticis of oxfams statistics usually focus on their choosen measurement, which is net wealth. Net wealth, in this case, means that the "poorest" are those heavily in debt. Their debt is also subtracted from whatever wealth anyone in the "poor half" has. In short, if you are completely broke but debt free, you are (by oxfam measurements) richer than the entire poorest billion.

      – Guran
      16 hours ago






    • 13





      @Guran True, but of course the counterpoint (and I presume Oxfam's argument) is that ignoring debt doesn't make much sense. Taking out a million dollar loan does not make you a millionaire. In any case, ignoring those with net debt still gives a similarly small number.

      – Bryan Krause
      13 hours ago






    • 3





      I think you are missing the point. If a newborn baby is richer than a billion people, does that tell us something about the newborn baby? Or the billion people? Also consider the possibility that someone like Donald Trump is a net debtor of, say, a billion dollars (probably true during one of his bankruptcies). Are we really holding up a person like that as a sign of inequality because he's so poor?

      – Brythan
      5 hours ago











    • The biggest criticism in my mind is that the common person conflates wealth with purchasing power. Then they conflate cash with credit. Calculating wealth in this matter to determine equity while neglecting these other two points gives us, at best, a meaningless metric. Further conflation is wealth vs income. All of these things matter if we're examining equity.

      – fredsbend
      4 hours ago












    • @Brythan reminds me of the following: “They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me’"

      – Andrew Grimm
      1 hour ago












    • 20





      Criticis of oxfams statistics usually focus on their choosen measurement, which is net wealth. Net wealth, in this case, means that the "poorest" are those heavily in debt. Their debt is also subtracted from whatever wealth anyone in the "poor half" has. In short, if you are completely broke but debt free, you are (by oxfam measurements) richer than the entire poorest billion.

      – Guran
      16 hours ago






    • 13





      @Guran True, but of course the counterpoint (and I presume Oxfam's argument) is that ignoring debt doesn't make much sense. Taking out a million dollar loan does not make you a millionaire. In any case, ignoring those with net debt still gives a similarly small number.

      – Bryan Krause
      13 hours ago






    • 3





      I think you are missing the point. If a newborn baby is richer than a billion people, does that tell us something about the newborn baby? Or the billion people? Also consider the possibility that someone like Donald Trump is a net debtor of, say, a billion dollars (probably true during one of his bankruptcies). Are we really holding up a person like that as a sign of inequality because he's so poor?

      – Brythan
      5 hours ago











    • The biggest criticism in my mind is that the common person conflates wealth with purchasing power. Then they conflate cash with credit. Calculating wealth in this matter to determine equity while neglecting these other two points gives us, at best, a meaningless metric. Further conflation is wealth vs income. All of these things matter if we're examining equity.

      – fredsbend
      4 hours ago












    • @Brythan reminds me of the following: “They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me’"

      – Andrew Grimm
      1 hour ago







    20




    20





    Criticis of oxfams statistics usually focus on their choosen measurement, which is net wealth. Net wealth, in this case, means that the "poorest" are those heavily in debt. Their debt is also subtracted from whatever wealth anyone in the "poor half" has. In short, if you are completely broke but debt free, you are (by oxfam measurements) richer than the entire poorest billion.

    – Guran
    16 hours ago





    Criticis of oxfams statistics usually focus on their choosen measurement, which is net wealth. Net wealth, in this case, means that the "poorest" are those heavily in debt. Their debt is also subtracted from whatever wealth anyone in the "poor half" has. In short, if you are completely broke but debt free, you are (by oxfam measurements) richer than the entire poorest billion.

    – Guran
    16 hours ago




    13




    13





    @Guran True, but of course the counterpoint (and I presume Oxfam's argument) is that ignoring debt doesn't make much sense. Taking out a million dollar loan does not make you a millionaire. In any case, ignoring those with net debt still gives a similarly small number.

    – Bryan Krause
    13 hours ago





    @Guran True, but of course the counterpoint (and I presume Oxfam's argument) is that ignoring debt doesn't make much sense. Taking out a million dollar loan does not make you a millionaire. In any case, ignoring those with net debt still gives a similarly small number.

    – Bryan Krause
    13 hours ago




    3




    3





    I think you are missing the point. If a newborn baby is richer than a billion people, does that tell us something about the newborn baby? Or the billion people? Also consider the possibility that someone like Donald Trump is a net debtor of, say, a billion dollars (probably true during one of his bankruptcies). Are we really holding up a person like that as a sign of inequality because he's so poor?

    – Brythan
    5 hours ago





    I think you are missing the point. If a newborn baby is richer than a billion people, does that tell us something about the newborn baby? Or the billion people? Also consider the possibility that someone like Donald Trump is a net debtor of, say, a billion dollars (probably true during one of his bankruptcies). Are we really holding up a person like that as a sign of inequality because he's so poor?

    – Brythan
    5 hours ago













    The biggest criticism in my mind is that the common person conflates wealth with purchasing power. Then they conflate cash with credit. Calculating wealth in this matter to determine equity while neglecting these other two points gives us, at best, a meaningless metric. Further conflation is wealth vs income. All of these things matter if we're examining equity.

    – fredsbend
    4 hours ago






    The biggest criticism in my mind is that the common person conflates wealth with purchasing power. Then they conflate cash with credit. Calculating wealth in this matter to determine equity while neglecting these other two points gives us, at best, a meaningless metric. Further conflation is wealth vs income. All of these things matter if we're examining equity.

    – fredsbend
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    @Brythan reminds me of the following: “They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me’"

    – Andrew Grimm
    1 hour ago





    @Brythan reminds me of the following: “They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me’"

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    That statistic is at least plausible, and likely true. Children have essentially no wealth, so to start out the richest are already ahead of about 25% of the world (about 1.9 billion people) simply by having a positive net worth. The next 1.9 billion is made up of the impoverished adults, young adults that are just starting careers, working class populations, and middle class adults.



    Wealth is misleading when used as a statistic because it's largely a function of saving over time, the rule of thumb for savings is that they double about every 7 years when invested wisely. The top 26 billionaires are people that have been extremely wealthy for decades. The thing to keep in mind with these numbers is that the average retiree will also have as much wealth as about 50-60% of that number, simply because most haven't had time to accumulate any wealth.






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    • "Invested wisely" is the important part. Not everyone invests (whether due to lack of willingness to do so or simply not having the money to spare), and those that do don't always invest wisely.

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    That statistic is at least plausible, and likely true. Children have essentially no wealth, so to start out the richest are already ahead of about 25% of the world (about 1.9 billion people) simply by having a positive net worth. The next 1.9 billion is made up of the impoverished adults, young adults that are just starting careers, working class populations, and middle class adults.



    Wealth is misleading when used as a statistic because it's largely a function of saving over time, the rule of thumb for savings is that they double about every 7 years when invested wisely. The top 26 billionaires are people that have been extremely wealthy for decades. The thing to keep in mind with these numbers is that the average retiree will also have as much wealth as about 50-60% of that number, simply because most haven't had time to accumulate any wealth.






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    • "Invested wisely" is the important part. Not everyone invests (whether due to lack of willingness to do so or simply not having the money to spare), and those that do don't always invest wisely.

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    That statistic is at least plausible, and likely true. Children have essentially no wealth, so to start out the richest are already ahead of about 25% of the world (about 1.9 billion people) simply by having a positive net worth. The next 1.9 billion is made up of the impoverished adults, young adults that are just starting careers, working class populations, and middle class adults.



    Wealth is misleading when used as a statistic because it's largely a function of saving over time, the rule of thumb for savings is that they double about every 7 years when invested wisely. The top 26 billionaires are people that have been extremely wealthy for decades. The thing to keep in mind with these numbers is that the average retiree will also have as much wealth as about 50-60% of that number, simply because most haven't had time to accumulate any wealth.






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    That statistic is at least plausible, and likely true. Children have essentially no wealth, so to start out the richest are already ahead of about 25% of the world (about 1.9 billion people) simply by having a positive net worth. The next 1.9 billion is made up of the impoverished adults, young adults that are just starting careers, working class populations, and middle class adults.



    Wealth is misleading when used as a statistic because it's largely a function of saving over time, the rule of thumb for savings is that they double about every 7 years when invested wisely. The top 26 billionaires are people that have been extremely wealthy for decades. The thing to keep in mind with these numbers is that the average retiree will also have as much wealth as about 50-60% of that number, simply because most haven't had time to accumulate any wealth.







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    • "Invested wisely" is the important part. Not everyone invests (whether due to lack of willingness to do so or simply not having the money to spare), and those that do don't always invest wisely.

      – JAB
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    • "Invested wisely" is the important part. Not everyone invests (whether due to lack of willingness to do so or simply not having the money to spare), and those that do don't always invest wisely.

      – JAB
      6 hours ago
















    "Invested wisely" is the important part. Not everyone invests (whether due to lack of willingness to do so or simply not having the money to spare), and those that do don't always invest wisely.

    – JAB
    6 hours ago





    "Invested wisely" is the important part. Not everyone invests (whether due to lack of willingness to do so or simply not having the money to spare), and those that do don't always invest wisely.

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    Technically true, but misleading. First, this includes people with supposedly "negative" net worth, a questionable concept, and this "negative" net wealth is added to other people's positive net wealth, as if one person's debt cancels out another person's assets. Second, "net wealth" refers to particular categories of wealth that are



    1. measurable

      and

    2. important in Western capitalist societies.

    If someone takes out a student loan, the value of the loan is included in their "net wealth", but the value of the education is not. If someone lives in a culture without the concept of money, their "net wealth" could very well be considered to be zero, or negligible, even if their web of social connections gives them access to a large amount of resources.



    So, basically, the 26 people who have done the best at playing the Western capitalist game have more points than 3.8 billion people put together, many of whom are playing a completely different game. I'm sure the 26 top tennis players have scored more tennis points that the bottom 3.8 billion people put together, too.



    If by "wealth", we mean "utility available from resources one has access to", then this claim, as your intuition told you, is absurd.






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      Technically true, but misleading. First, this includes people with supposedly "negative" net worth, a questionable concept, and this "negative" net wealth is added to other people's positive net wealth, as if one person's debt cancels out another person's assets. Second, "net wealth" refers to particular categories of wealth that are



      1. measurable

        and

      2. important in Western capitalist societies.

      If someone takes out a student loan, the value of the loan is included in their "net wealth", but the value of the education is not. If someone lives in a culture without the concept of money, their "net wealth" could very well be considered to be zero, or negligible, even if their web of social connections gives them access to a large amount of resources.



      So, basically, the 26 people who have done the best at playing the Western capitalist game have more points than 3.8 billion people put together, many of whom are playing a completely different game. I'm sure the 26 top tennis players have scored more tennis points that the bottom 3.8 billion people put together, too.



      If by "wealth", we mean "utility available from resources one has access to", then this claim, as your intuition told you, is absurd.






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        Technically true, but misleading. First, this includes people with supposedly "negative" net worth, a questionable concept, and this "negative" net wealth is added to other people's positive net wealth, as if one person's debt cancels out another person's assets. Second, "net wealth" refers to particular categories of wealth that are



        1. measurable

          and

        2. important in Western capitalist societies.

        If someone takes out a student loan, the value of the loan is included in their "net wealth", but the value of the education is not. If someone lives in a culture without the concept of money, their "net wealth" could very well be considered to be zero, or negligible, even if their web of social connections gives them access to a large amount of resources.



        So, basically, the 26 people who have done the best at playing the Western capitalist game have more points than 3.8 billion people put together, many of whom are playing a completely different game. I'm sure the 26 top tennis players have scored more tennis points that the bottom 3.8 billion people put together, too.



        If by "wealth", we mean "utility available from resources one has access to", then this claim, as your intuition told you, is absurd.






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        Technically true, but misleading. First, this includes people with supposedly "negative" net worth, a questionable concept, and this "negative" net wealth is added to other people's positive net wealth, as if one person's debt cancels out another person's assets. Second, "net wealth" refers to particular categories of wealth that are



        1. measurable

          and

        2. important in Western capitalist societies.

        If someone takes out a student loan, the value of the loan is included in their "net wealth", but the value of the education is not. If someone lives in a culture without the concept of money, their "net wealth" could very well be considered to be zero, or negligible, even if their web of social connections gives them access to a large amount of resources.



        So, basically, the 26 people who have done the best at playing the Western capitalist game have more points than 3.8 billion people put together, many of whom are playing a completely different game. I'm sure the 26 top tennis players have scored more tennis points that the bottom 3.8 billion people put together, too.



        If by "wealth", we mean "utility available from resources one has access to", then this claim, as your intuition told you, is absurd.







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