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My players are currently in a naval battle. The wizard used Disintegrate on the enemy warship's hull and now water is getting inside the ship.

I remember reading something about that in the Ghosts of Saltmarsh book, but when I tried looking for the rule I just couldn't find it again.

Are there any rules for how much water gets inside a ship per round and how much water a ship can take on before starting to sink?

We are using the stats for the Warship from Ghosts of Saltmarsh.

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  The keel is the ship's "backbone", and if a 10-foot section gets disintegrated, the ship's hull may break apart into 2 pieces. Honestly, I'm not familiar enough with the specifics to say whether this would happen for sure, and keep in mind the spell might not even hit the keel unless the caster was aiming at the very bottom of the ship. Here's a pretty good cross-section of the structural elements (the keel is large beam in the bottom center, marked as number 2): penobscotmarinemuseum.org/pbho-1/collection/…
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My players are currently in a naval battle. The wizard used Disintegrate on the enemy warship's hull and now water is getting inside the ship.

I remember reading something about that in the Ghosts of Saltmarsh book, but when I tried looking for the rule I just couldn't find it again.

Are there any rules for how much water gets inside a ship per round and how much water a ship can take on before starting to sink?

We are using the stats for the Warship from Ghosts of Saltmarsh.

dnd-5e damage vehicles ghosts-of-saltmarsh

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  @JohnP Nice find. It's for the pre-saltmarsh UA, but interested to see if Saltmarsh has more mechanics. What happens when ship structures are destroyed doesn't seem to be in the UA :(
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  The keel is the ship's "backbone", and if a 10-foot section gets disintegrated, the ship's hull may break apart into 2 pieces. Honestly, I'm not familiar enough with the specifics to say whether this would happen for sure, and keep in mind the spell might not even hit the keel unless the caster was aiming at the very bottom of the ship. Here's a pretty good cross-section of the structural elements (the keel is large beam in the bottom center, marked as number 2): penobscotmarinemuseum.org/pbho-1/collection/…
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My players are currently in a naval battle. The wizard used Disintegrate on the enemy warship's hull and now water is getting inside the ship.

I remember reading something about that in the Ghosts of Saltmarsh book, but when I tried looking for the rule I just couldn't find it again.

Are there any rules for how much water gets inside a ship per round and how much water a ship can take on before starting to sink?

We are using the stats for the Warship from Ghosts of Saltmarsh.

dnd-5e damage vehicles ghosts-of-saltmarsh

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There are two places in Ghosts of Saltmarsh where sinking is dealt with (in particular sinking from a hole in a ship take an hour from the primary example given)

In the adventure:

The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh

The section on

the Sea Ghost (in the sidebar)

states:

[...] Holing Attempts to hole the ship and sink it requies the use of axes or similar implements applied with vigor. The undertaking takes 5 minutes [...]. If the hole is completed, the ship takes on water and sinks after an hour if the hole remains unrepaired.

This section is probably the most relevant section to your question as it specifically talks about creating a hole in the ship. 5 minutes of axing on a solid hull can create quite a sizable hole. This could easily be comparable in size to the hole created by the Disintegrate spell.

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The other section that deals with sinking is in:

Salvage Operation

under the section on:

Death of The Emperor > Octopus Attacks > Sequence of Events > Rounds 3 through 20

Admittedly

the ship in this sequence is being actively attacked repeatedly by an enormous elder octopus intent on destroying the ship...

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  Seems rather short-sighted of the original authors to assume that their 5-minute axe-using method would be necessary in a world where a couple-second spell can instantly do it better.
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  Disintegrate would make a 10-foot square hole in the side of the ship. I'm pretty sure this would be at least an order of magnitude larger than any hole you could make in a thick warship hull using axes in 5 minutes. Not to mention that with Disintegrate you can position the hole entirely under the water line.
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  @RyanThompson four to six characters hacking at a hull with axes for five minutes?!
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There are two places in Ghosts of Saltmarsh where sinking is dealt with (in particular sinking from a hole in a ship take an hour from the primary example given)

In the adventure:

The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh

The section on

the Sea Ghost (in the sidebar)

states:

[...] Holing Attempts to hole the ship and sink it requies the use of axes or similar implements applied with vigor. The undertaking takes 5 minutes [...]. If the hole is completed, the ship takes on water and sinks after an hour if the hole remains unrepaired.

This section is probably the most relevant section to your question as it specifically talks about creating a hole in the ship. 5 minutes of axing on a solid hull can create quite a sizable hole. This could easily be comparable in size to the hole created by the Disintegrate spell.

---

The other section that deals with sinking is in:

Salvage Operation

under the section on:

Death of The Emperor > Octopus Attacks > Sequence of Events > Rounds 3 through 20

Admittedly

the ship in this sequence is being actively attacked repeatedly by an enormous elder octopus intent on destroying the ship...

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  Seems rather short-sighted of the original authors to assume that their 5-minute axe-using method would be necessary in a world where a couple-second spell can instantly do it better.
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  Disintegrate would make a 10-foot square hole in the side of the ship. I'm pretty sure this would be at least an order of magnitude larger than any hole you could make in a thick warship hull using axes in 5 minutes. Not to mention that with Disintegrate you can position the hole entirely under the water line.
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There are two places in Ghosts of Saltmarsh where sinking is dealt with (in particular sinking from a hole in a ship take an hour from the primary example given)

In the adventure:

The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh

The section on

the Sea Ghost (in the sidebar)

states:

[...] Holing Attempts to hole the ship and sink it requies the use of axes or similar implements applied with vigor. The undertaking takes 5 minutes [...]. If the hole is completed, the ship takes on water and sinks after an hour if the hole remains unrepaired.

This section is probably the most relevant section to your question as it specifically talks about creating a hole in the ship. 5 minutes of axing on a solid hull can create quite a sizable hole. This could easily be comparable in size to the hole created by the Disintegrate spell.

---

The other section that deals with sinking is in:

Salvage Operation

under the section on:

Death of The Emperor > Octopus Attacks > Sequence of Events > Rounds 3 through 20

Admittedly

the ship in this sequence is being actively attacked repeatedly by an enormous elder octopus intent on destroying the ship...

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edited 8 hours ago

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  Seems rather short-sighted of the original authors to assume that their 5-minute axe-using method would be necessary in a world where a couple-second spell can instantly do it better.
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  @SouthpawHare distintegrate isn't an option the characters have available to them in the specific adventure quoted (it's designed for 4-6 1st level characters)
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  Disintegrate would make a 10-foot square hole in the side of the ship. I'm pretty sure this would be at least an order of magnitude larger than any hole you could make in a thick warship hull using axes in 5 minutes. Not to mention that with Disintegrate you can position the hole entirely under the water line.
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  @RyanThompson four to six characters hacking at a hull with axes for five minutes?!
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There are two places in Ghosts of Saltmarsh where sinking is dealt with (in particular sinking from a hole in a ship take an hour from the primary example given)

In the adventure:

The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh

The section on

the Sea Ghost (in the sidebar)

states:

[...] Holing Attempts to hole the ship and sink it requies the use of axes or similar implements applied with vigor. The undertaking takes 5 minutes [...]. If the hole is completed, the ship takes on water and sinks after an hour if the hole remains unrepaired.

This section is probably the most relevant section to your question as it specifically talks about creating a hole in the ship. 5 minutes of axing on a solid hull can create quite a sizable hole. This could easily be comparable in size to the hole created by the Disintegrate spell.

---

The other section that deals with sinking is in:

Salvage Operation

under the section on:

Death of The Emperor > Octopus Attacks > Sequence of Events > Rounds 3 through 20

Admittedly

the ship in this sequence is being actively attacked repeatedly by an enormous elder octopus intent on destroying the ship...

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