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In chess you don't need to be physically strong, well you need some kind of endurance, but is it the real reason why there are no super strong women gms?
Yes I know about Hou Yifan and Judit Polgar, but they aren't even close to being world champion.
I understand that there are a lot more men chess players then women, but how many women are in top 100? Even the disproportionate number of players can't explain this.
What is the reason then? Can we deduce that men are smarter than women or we shall conclude that there are more geniuses among men then geniuses among women?
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In chess you don't need to be physically strong, well you need some kind of endurance, but is it the real reason why there are no super strong women gms?
Yes I know about Hou Yifan and Judit Polgar, but they aren't even close to being world champion.
I understand that there are a lot more men chess players then women, but how many women are in top 100? Even the disproportionate number of players can't explain this.
What is the reason then? Can we deduce that men are smarter than women or we shall conclude that there are more geniuses among men then geniuses among women?
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Here is an article that deals with it.
– Universal_learner
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@Universal_learner I can accept that as an answer
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@MarkoffChainz Answers cannot only be link to related reading, which is why Universal_learner posted it as a comment.
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@Universal_learner That article explains nothing. The only honest answer to this question is "we don't know yet"
– David
8 hours ago
@David. I found the article nice, so that I shared. But I agree chess history can't explain it completely. The answer is a challenge for neurologists too. I sugest the poster to search an alternative answer at psychollogy and neuroscience
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In chess you don't need to be physically strong, well you need some kind of endurance, but is it the real reason why there are no super strong women gms?
Yes I know about Hou Yifan and Judit Polgar, but they aren't even close to being world champion.
I understand that there are a lot more men chess players then women, but how many women are in top 100? Even the disproportionate number of players can't explain this.
What is the reason then? Can we deduce that men are smarter than women or we shall conclude that there are more geniuses among men then geniuses among women?
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In chess you don't need to be physically strong, well you need some kind of endurance, but is it the real reason why there are no super strong women gms?
Yes I know about Hou Yifan and Judit Polgar, but they aren't even close to being world champion.
I understand that there are a lot more men chess players then women, but how many women are in top 100? Even the disproportionate number of players can't explain this.
What is the reason then? Can we deduce that men are smarter than women or we shall conclude that there are more geniuses among men then geniuses among women?
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Here is an article that deals with it.
– Universal_learner
9 hours ago
@Universal_learner I can accept that as an answer
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@MarkoffChainz Answers cannot only be link to related reading, which is why Universal_learner posted it as a comment.
– Marvin
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1
@Universal_learner That article explains nothing. The only honest answer to this question is "we don't know yet"
– David
8 hours ago
@David. I found the article nice, so that I shared. But I agree chess history can't explain it completely. The answer is a challenge for neurologists too. I sugest the poster to search an alternative answer at psychollogy and neuroscience
– Universal_learner
8 hours ago
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Here is an article that deals with it.
– Universal_learner
9 hours ago
@Universal_learner I can accept that as an answer
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1
@MarkoffChainz Answers cannot only be link to related reading, which is why Universal_learner posted it as a comment.
– Marvin
9 hours ago
1
@Universal_learner That article explains nothing. The only honest answer to this question is "we don't know yet"
– David
8 hours ago
@David. I found the article nice, so that I shared. But I agree chess history can't explain it completely. The answer is a challenge for neurologists too. I sugest the poster to search an alternative answer at psychollogy and neuroscience
– Universal_learner
8 hours ago
2
2
Here is an article that deals with it.
– Universal_learner
9 hours ago
Here is an article that deals with it.
– Universal_learner
9 hours ago
@Universal_learner I can accept that as an answer
– Markoff Chainz
9 hours ago
@Universal_learner I can accept that as an answer
– Markoff Chainz
9 hours ago
1
1
@MarkoffChainz Answers cannot only be link to related reading, which is why Universal_learner posted it as a comment.
– Marvin
9 hours ago
@MarkoffChainz Answers cannot only be link to related reading, which is why Universal_learner posted it as a comment.
– Marvin
9 hours ago
1
1
@Universal_learner That article explains nothing. The only honest answer to this question is "we don't know yet"
– David
8 hours ago
@Universal_learner That article explains nothing. The only honest answer to this question is "we don't know yet"
– David
8 hours ago
@David. I found the article nice, so that I shared. But I agree chess history can't explain it completely. The answer is a challenge for neurologists too. I sugest the poster to search an alternative answer at psychollogy and neuroscience
– Universal_learner
8 hours ago
@David. I found the article nice, so that I shared. But I agree chess history can't explain it completely. The answer is a challenge for neurologists too. I sugest the poster to search an alternative answer at psychollogy and neuroscience
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Women played chess as much as men did for a while until the beginning of the 17th century. At this time, chess rules changed in that the queen and bishop gained much more significance and power in the game. Chess became a more competitive sport, not just a casual game among the wealthy.
Chess went from a leisurely game played between lords and ladies to a cut-throat competitive sport played in public houses and cafés, and therefore considered an unseemly activity for women.
For the next 300 years, society continually sent the message of "chess is not for women."
The reason there are no women super grandmasters (players at the top) is because there are hardly any girls signing up to start playing chess anymore.
For further reading, read this article about why only two of the world's top 100 chess players are women
1
The truth remains that we don't actually know. The articles states as facts claims that are only opinions
– David
8 hours ago
2
There are always more male children signing up for chess clubs and chess lessons to this day. That is a fact.
– Marvin
8 hours ago
1
There is a great difference between a trend for $X$ being shown in a research paper and and $X$ being a fact (see journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/… )
– David
8 hours ago
2
It seems likely that if less girls are signing up to play chess, that later on, less women will have made it to grandmaster
– Marvin
8 hours ago
2
You are claiming that if the same number of men and women at all ages practised chess, top players would be about half of each sex. I am saying there is no evidence to support that claim
– David
8 hours ago
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I don't know a lot about chess or even gender differences in cognition, but I do know enough that chess involves certain aspects of cognition and that there are gender differences in cognitive ability. For your question, about the number of super GMs, the average abilities of men and women is more or less irrelevant. You need to look at the tails of abilities. Again, there are differences in the tails: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289610000346 Men are better (both on average and at the extremes) for some abilities and worse at others. Women tend to excel at verbal and social cognition well men excel at spatial aspects of cognition.
In addition to cognitive differences, men and women react different to competition and my guess is you cannot be a super GM with a strong competitive side. There are also social and cultural differences between men and women. Even if there were equal numbers of recreational players, that doesn't mean there would be equal numbers of competitive players (or similar rates of individuals willing to dedicate their lives to chess).
The popularity of competitive chess may well stem from its emphasis on male dominated traits (i.e., spatial cognition) and it's lack of emphasis on verbal and social cognition.
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Women played chess as much as men did for a while until the beginning of the 17th century. At this time, chess rules changed in that the queen and bishop gained much more significance and power in the game. Chess became a more competitive sport, not just a casual game among the wealthy.
Chess went from a leisurely game played between lords and ladies to a cut-throat competitive sport played in public houses and cafés, and therefore considered an unseemly activity for women.
For the next 300 years, society continually sent the message of "chess is not for women."
The reason there are no women super grandmasters (players at the top) is because there are hardly any girls signing up to start playing chess anymore.
For further reading, read this article about why only two of the world's top 100 chess players are women
1
The truth remains that we don't actually know. The articles states as facts claims that are only opinions
– David
8 hours ago
2
There are always more male children signing up for chess clubs and chess lessons to this day. That is a fact.
– Marvin
8 hours ago
1
There is a great difference between a trend for $X$ being shown in a research paper and and $X$ being a fact (see journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/… )
– David
8 hours ago
2
It seems likely that if less girls are signing up to play chess, that later on, less women will have made it to grandmaster
– Marvin
8 hours ago
2
You are claiming that if the same number of men and women at all ages practised chess, top players would be about half of each sex. I am saying there is no evidence to support that claim
– David
8 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
Women played chess as much as men did for a while until the beginning of the 17th century. At this time, chess rules changed in that the queen and bishop gained much more significance and power in the game. Chess became a more competitive sport, not just a casual game among the wealthy.
Chess went from a leisurely game played between lords and ladies to a cut-throat competitive sport played in public houses and cafés, and therefore considered an unseemly activity for women.
For the next 300 years, society continually sent the message of "chess is not for women."
The reason there are no women super grandmasters (players at the top) is because there are hardly any girls signing up to start playing chess anymore.
For further reading, read this article about why only two of the world's top 100 chess players are women
1
The truth remains that we don't actually know. The articles states as facts claims that are only opinions
– David
8 hours ago
2
There are always more male children signing up for chess clubs and chess lessons to this day. That is a fact.
– Marvin
8 hours ago
1
There is a great difference between a trend for $X$ being shown in a research paper and and $X$ being a fact (see journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/… )
– David
8 hours ago
2
It seems likely that if less girls are signing up to play chess, that later on, less women will have made it to grandmaster
– Marvin
8 hours ago
2
You are claiming that if the same number of men and women at all ages practised chess, top players would be about half of each sex. I am saying there is no evidence to support that claim
– David
8 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
Women played chess as much as men did for a while until the beginning of the 17th century. At this time, chess rules changed in that the queen and bishop gained much more significance and power in the game. Chess became a more competitive sport, not just a casual game among the wealthy.
Chess went from a leisurely game played between lords and ladies to a cut-throat competitive sport played in public houses and cafés, and therefore considered an unseemly activity for women.
For the next 300 years, society continually sent the message of "chess is not for women."
The reason there are no women super grandmasters (players at the top) is because there are hardly any girls signing up to start playing chess anymore.
For further reading, read this article about why only two of the world's top 100 chess players are women
Women played chess as much as men did for a while until the beginning of the 17th century. At this time, chess rules changed in that the queen and bishop gained much more significance and power in the game. Chess became a more competitive sport, not just a casual game among the wealthy.
Chess went from a leisurely game played between lords and ladies to a cut-throat competitive sport played in public houses and cafés, and therefore considered an unseemly activity for women.
For the next 300 years, society continually sent the message of "chess is not for women."
The reason there are no women super grandmasters (players at the top) is because there are hardly any girls signing up to start playing chess anymore.
For further reading, read this article about why only two of the world's top 100 chess players are women
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The truth remains that we don't actually know. The articles states as facts claims that are only opinions
– David
8 hours ago
2
There are always more male children signing up for chess clubs and chess lessons to this day. That is a fact.
– Marvin
8 hours ago
1
There is a great difference between a trend for $X$ being shown in a research paper and and $X$ being a fact (see journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/… )
– David
8 hours ago
2
It seems likely that if less girls are signing up to play chess, that later on, less women will have made it to grandmaster
– Marvin
8 hours ago
2
You are claiming that if the same number of men and women at all ages practised chess, top players would be about half of each sex. I am saying there is no evidence to support that claim
– David
8 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
1
The truth remains that we don't actually know. The articles states as facts claims that are only opinions
– David
8 hours ago
2
There are always more male children signing up for chess clubs and chess lessons to this day. That is a fact.
– Marvin
8 hours ago
1
There is a great difference between a trend for $X$ being shown in a research paper and and $X$ being a fact (see journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/… )
– David
8 hours ago
2
It seems likely that if less girls are signing up to play chess, that later on, less women will have made it to grandmaster
– Marvin
8 hours ago
2
You are claiming that if the same number of men and women at all ages practised chess, top players would be about half of each sex. I am saying there is no evidence to support that claim
– David
8 hours ago
1
1
The truth remains that we don't actually know. The articles states as facts claims that are only opinions
– David
8 hours ago
The truth remains that we don't actually know. The articles states as facts claims that are only opinions
– David
8 hours ago
2
2
There are always more male children signing up for chess clubs and chess lessons to this day. That is a fact.
– Marvin
8 hours ago
There are always more male children signing up for chess clubs and chess lessons to this day. That is a fact.
– Marvin
8 hours ago
1
1
There is a great difference between a trend for $X$ being shown in a research paper and and $X$ being a fact (see journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/… )
– David
8 hours ago
There is a great difference between a trend for $X$ being shown in a research paper and and $X$ being a fact (see journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/… )
– David
8 hours ago
2
2
It seems likely that if less girls are signing up to play chess, that later on, less women will have made it to grandmaster
– Marvin
8 hours ago
It seems likely that if less girls are signing up to play chess, that later on, less women will have made it to grandmaster
– Marvin
8 hours ago
2
2
You are claiming that if the same number of men and women at all ages practised chess, top players would be about half of each sex. I am saying there is no evidence to support that claim
– David
8 hours ago
You are claiming that if the same number of men and women at all ages practised chess, top players would be about half of each sex. I am saying there is no evidence to support that claim
– David
8 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
I don't know a lot about chess or even gender differences in cognition, but I do know enough that chess involves certain aspects of cognition and that there are gender differences in cognitive ability. For your question, about the number of super GMs, the average abilities of men and women is more or less irrelevant. You need to look at the tails of abilities. Again, there are differences in the tails: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289610000346 Men are better (both on average and at the extremes) for some abilities and worse at others. Women tend to excel at verbal and social cognition well men excel at spatial aspects of cognition.
In addition to cognitive differences, men and women react different to competition and my guess is you cannot be a super GM with a strong competitive side. There are also social and cultural differences between men and women. Even if there were equal numbers of recreational players, that doesn't mean there would be equal numbers of competitive players (or similar rates of individuals willing to dedicate their lives to chess).
The popularity of competitive chess may well stem from its emphasis on male dominated traits (i.e., spatial cognition) and it's lack of emphasis on verbal and social cognition.
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I don't know a lot about chess or even gender differences in cognition, but I do know enough that chess involves certain aspects of cognition and that there are gender differences in cognitive ability. For your question, about the number of super GMs, the average abilities of men and women is more or less irrelevant. You need to look at the tails of abilities. Again, there are differences in the tails: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289610000346 Men are better (both on average and at the extremes) for some abilities and worse at others. Women tend to excel at verbal and social cognition well men excel at spatial aspects of cognition.
In addition to cognitive differences, men and women react different to competition and my guess is you cannot be a super GM with a strong competitive side. There are also social and cultural differences between men and women. Even if there were equal numbers of recreational players, that doesn't mean there would be equal numbers of competitive players (or similar rates of individuals willing to dedicate their lives to chess).
The popularity of competitive chess may well stem from its emphasis on male dominated traits (i.e., spatial cognition) and it's lack of emphasis on verbal and social cognition.
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I don't know a lot about chess or even gender differences in cognition, but I do know enough that chess involves certain aspects of cognition and that there are gender differences in cognitive ability. For your question, about the number of super GMs, the average abilities of men and women is more or less irrelevant. You need to look at the tails of abilities. Again, there are differences in the tails: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289610000346 Men are better (both on average and at the extremes) for some abilities and worse at others. Women tend to excel at verbal and social cognition well men excel at spatial aspects of cognition.
In addition to cognitive differences, men and women react different to competition and my guess is you cannot be a super GM with a strong competitive side. There are also social and cultural differences between men and women. Even if there were equal numbers of recreational players, that doesn't mean there would be equal numbers of competitive players (or similar rates of individuals willing to dedicate their lives to chess).
The popularity of competitive chess may well stem from its emphasis on male dominated traits (i.e., spatial cognition) and it's lack of emphasis on verbal and social cognition.
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I don't know a lot about chess or even gender differences in cognition, but I do know enough that chess involves certain aspects of cognition and that there are gender differences in cognitive ability. For your question, about the number of super GMs, the average abilities of men and women is more or less irrelevant. You need to look at the tails of abilities. Again, there are differences in the tails: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289610000346 Men are better (both on average and at the extremes) for some abilities and worse at others. Women tend to excel at verbal and social cognition well men excel at spatial aspects of cognition.
In addition to cognitive differences, men and women react different to competition and my guess is you cannot be a super GM with a strong competitive side. There are also social and cultural differences between men and women. Even if there were equal numbers of recreational players, that doesn't mean there would be equal numbers of competitive players (or similar rates of individuals willing to dedicate their lives to chess).
The popularity of competitive chess may well stem from its emphasis on male dominated traits (i.e., spatial cognition) and it's lack of emphasis on verbal and social cognition.
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Here is an article that deals with it.
– Universal_learner
9 hours ago
@Universal_learner I can accept that as an answer
– Markoff Chainz
9 hours ago
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@MarkoffChainz Answers cannot only be link to related reading, which is why Universal_learner posted it as a comment.
– Marvin
9 hours ago
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@Universal_learner That article explains nothing. The only honest answer to this question is "we don't know yet"
– David
8 hours ago
@David. I found the article nice, so that I shared. But I agree chess history can't explain it completely. The answer is a challenge for neurologists too. I sugest the poster to search an alternative answer at psychollogy and neuroscience
– Universal_learner
8 hours ago