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In how many ways we can distribute 7 distinct balls among 3 students such that everyone gets at least 2 balls?


A problem in combinatoricsIn how many ways can one distribute ten distinct pizzas among four students with exactly two students getting nothing?Example in Combination, is there any solution?!Generic method to distribute n distinct objects among r people such that each person gets at least one objectNumber of ways of distributing $4$ identical red balls,$1$ green ball,$1$ black ball among $4$ personsIn how many different ways can 12 people order 3 different drinks, and what's the probability that each gets the one he ordered?Permutation based on inclusion exclusion principleCombinations: Please tell me where I went wrongCombinations with Conditional Probability






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So in order to solve this question, I first found all the number of ways in which every student gets at least one ball, i.e.
$$3^7-3C2 times (2^7-2) - 3C1=1806$$
and then I subtracted it with number of ways where exactly one ball is given to one or two students, i.e.
$$1806-(3times7C1(6C2+6C3+6C4))-(3times7C1times6C1)=1806-1050-126
=630 ways$$

So can anyone tell is this approach is right? and if you are still not able to understand my answer, please ignore it and solve the question. Thanks in advance










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    You forgot to also subtract the cases where zero balss are given to one or more students.
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    @MarkFischler I think I have already included it in $$3C1$$ term of 1st equation which means there are only three ways in which all balls are given to anyone of the student.
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So in order to solve this question, I first found all the number of ways in which every student gets at least one ball, i.e.
$$3^7-3C2 times (2^7-2) - 3C1=1806$$
and then I subtracted it with number of ways where exactly one ball is given to one or two students, i.e.
$$1806-(3times7C1(6C2+6C3+6C4))-(3times7C1times6C1)=1806-1050-126
=630 ways$$

So can anyone tell is this approach is right? and if you are still not able to understand my answer, please ignore it and solve the question. Thanks in advance










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    You forgot to also subtract the cases where zero balss are given to one or more students.
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    @MarkFischler I think I have already included it in $$3C1$$ term of 1st equation which means there are only three ways in which all balls are given to anyone of the student.
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So in order to solve this question, I first found all the number of ways in which every student gets at least one ball, i.e.
$$3^7-3C2 times (2^7-2) - 3C1=1806$$
and then I subtracted it with number of ways where exactly one ball is given to one or two students, i.e.
$$1806-(3times7C1(6C2+6C3+6C4))-(3times7C1times6C1)=1806-1050-126
=630 ways$$

So can anyone tell is this approach is right? and if you are still not able to understand my answer, please ignore it and solve the question. Thanks in advance










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So in order to solve this question, I first found all the number of ways in which every student gets at least one ball, i.e.
$$3^7-3C2 times (2^7-2) - 3C1=1806$$
and then I subtracted it with number of ways where exactly one ball is given to one or two students, i.e.
$$1806-(3times7C1(6C2+6C3+6C4))-(3times7C1times6C1)=1806-1050-126
=630 ways$$

So can anyone tell is this approach is right? and if you are still not able to understand my answer, please ignore it and solve the question. Thanks in advance







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    You forgot to also subtract the cases where zero balss are given to one or more students.
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    @MarkFischler I think I have already included it in $$3C1$$ term of 1st equation which means there are only three ways in which all balls are given to anyone of the student.
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    You forgot to also subtract the cases where zero balss are given to one or more students.
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    – Mark Fischler
    8 hours ago










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    @MarkFischler I think I have already included it in $$3C1$$ term of 1st equation which means there are only three ways in which all balls are given to anyone of the student.
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    8 hours ago















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You forgot to also subtract the cases where zero balss are given to one or more students.
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– Mark Fischler
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You forgot to also subtract the cases where zero balss are given to one or more students.
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@MarkFischler I think I have already included it in $$3C1$$ term of 1st equation which means there are only three ways in which all balls are given to anyone of the student.
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– Ashish Dogra
8 hours ago




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@MarkFischler I think I have already included it in $$3C1$$ term of 1st equation which means there are only three ways in which all balls are given to anyone of the student.
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We must give three balls to one student and two to the two others. There are $3$ ways to choose which student will get three balls, and then $7choose3$ ways to choose which balls he will get. Distinguish one the remaining students. There are $4choose2$ ways to determine which $2$ of the remaining $4$ balls he will get, giving in all$$37choose34choose2=630$$ ways.






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    There are $3^7$ ways of distributing the balls, ignoring the restriction. Now how many ways do we have to subtract off because the restriction is violated?



    Student A could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students B and C.



    Student A could get exactly one ball, in $7$ ways. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^6$ ways to students B and C. So far, we need to subtract $2^7 + 7cdot 2^6 = 9cdot 64 = 576$ possibilities. Naively, you could jump ahead and subtract a total of $27cdot 64$ balls, but that would be a mistake.



    Student B could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students A and C, but you don't want to double subtract the case where zero balls were distributed to each of A and B, or where A got one ball. So you have to add back in $1$ distribution case for $A$ getting no balls, and $7$ cases where $A$ got one ball.



    Student B could get one ball, in $7$ ways. Again, you don't want to double subtract the case where one ball was distributed to each of A and B, or where A got no balls and B got 1.



    In the end, you tabulate your answer as follows:



    • $3^7 = 2187$ total cases.


    • Minus $3$ (who got shorted) times $576$ ways to short a particular student.


    • Add back $3$ times $1$ way to give all the balls to one student.


    • Add back $6$ times $7 = 42 $ ways to give one ball to one student and no balls to another.


    • Add back $3$ times $7cdot 6 = 3 cdot 42 = 126$ ways to give two students one ball apiece.


    If there were a way to triply violate the conditions you would have to subtract that back out, but there isn't in this problem.



    The total is
    $$
    2187 - 1728 +3+42+126 = 630
    $$

    ways to distribute the balls.



    Of course, with the insight that the distribution must be some variant on $(3,2,2)$ the problem becomes much less messy, as in the previous answer. But this include/exclude method generalizes without requiring that insight.






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      There are $binom72$ ways of giving two balls to the first student.



      There are $binom52$ ways of giving two balls to the second student.



      There are $binom32$ ways of giving two balls to the third student.



      Lastly, the last ball can be given to any student, so there are $binom31$ ways to give him.



      However, there are repeated cases. For example, the case that we give ball 1&2, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 3 is given to the first student is the same as the case that we give ball 1&3, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 2 is given to the first student. Each case way has appeared $binom32$ times.



      Therefore, the answer is $dfracbinom72binom52binom32binom31binom32=boxed630$






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        We must give three balls to one student and two to the two others. There are $3$ ways to choose which student will get three balls, and then $7choose3$ ways to choose which balls he will get. Distinguish one the remaining students. There are $4choose2$ ways to determine which $2$ of the remaining $4$ balls he will get, giving in all$$37choose34choose2=630$$ ways.






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          We must give three balls to one student and two to the two others. There are $3$ ways to choose which student will get three balls, and then $7choose3$ ways to choose which balls he will get. Distinguish one the remaining students. There are $4choose2$ ways to determine which $2$ of the remaining $4$ balls he will get, giving in all$$37choose34choose2=630$$ ways.






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            We must give three balls to one student and two to the two others. There are $3$ ways to choose which student will get three balls, and then $7choose3$ ways to choose which balls he will get. Distinguish one the remaining students. There are $4choose2$ ways to determine which $2$ of the remaining $4$ balls he will get, giving in all$$37choose34choose2=630$$ ways.






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            We must give three balls to one student and two to the two others. There are $3$ ways to choose which student will get three balls, and then $7choose3$ ways to choose which balls he will get. Distinguish one the remaining students. There are $4choose2$ ways to determine which $2$ of the remaining $4$ balls he will get, giving in all$$37choose34choose2=630$$ ways.







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                There are $3^7$ ways of distributing the balls, ignoring the restriction. Now how many ways do we have to subtract off because the restriction is violated?



                Student A could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students B and C.



                Student A could get exactly one ball, in $7$ ways. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^6$ ways to students B and C. So far, we need to subtract $2^7 + 7cdot 2^6 = 9cdot 64 = 576$ possibilities. Naively, you could jump ahead and subtract a total of $27cdot 64$ balls, but that would be a mistake.



                Student B could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students A and C, but you don't want to double subtract the case where zero balls were distributed to each of A and B, or where A got one ball. So you have to add back in $1$ distribution case for $A$ getting no balls, and $7$ cases where $A$ got one ball.



                Student B could get one ball, in $7$ ways. Again, you don't want to double subtract the case where one ball was distributed to each of A and B, or where A got no balls and B got 1.



                In the end, you tabulate your answer as follows:



                • $3^7 = 2187$ total cases.


                • Minus $3$ (who got shorted) times $576$ ways to short a particular student.


                • Add back $3$ times $1$ way to give all the balls to one student.


                • Add back $6$ times $7 = 42 $ ways to give one ball to one student and no balls to another.


                • Add back $3$ times $7cdot 6 = 3 cdot 42 = 126$ ways to give two students one ball apiece.


                If there were a way to triply violate the conditions you would have to subtract that back out, but there isn't in this problem.



                The total is
                $$
                2187 - 1728 +3+42+126 = 630
                $$

                ways to distribute the balls.



                Of course, with the insight that the distribution must be some variant on $(3,2,2)$ the problem becomes much less messy, as in the previous answer. But this include/exclude method generalizes without requiring that insight.






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                  There are $3^7$ ways of distributing the balls, ignoring the restriction. Now how many ways do we have to subtract off because the restriction is violated?



                  Student A could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students B and C.



                  Student A could get exactly one ball, in $7$ ways. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^6$ ways to students B and C. So far, we need to subtract $2^7 + 7cdot 2^6 = 9cdot 64 = 576$ possibilities. Naively, you could jump ahead and subtract a total of $27cdot 64$ balls, but that would be a mistake.



                  Student B could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students A and C, but you don't want to double subtract the case where zero balls were distributed to each of A and B, or where A got one ball. So you have to add back in $1$ distribution case for $A$ getting no balls, and $7$ cases where $A$ got one ball.



                  Student B could get one ball, in $7$ ways. Again, you don't want to double subtract the case where one ball was distributed to each of A and B, or where A got no balls and B got 1.



                  In the end, you tabulate your answer as follows:



                  • $3^7 = 2187$ total cases.


                  • Minus $3$ (who got shorted) times $576$ ways to short a particular student.


                  • Add back $3$ times $1$ way to give all the balls to one student.


                  • Add back $6$ times $7 = 42 $ ways to give one ball to one student and no balls to another.


                  • Add back $3$ times $7cdot 6 = 3 cdot 42 = 126$ ways to give two students one ball apiece.


                  If there were a way to triply violate the conditions you would have to subtract that back out, but there isn't in this problem.



                  The total is
                  $$
                  2187 - 1728 +3+42+126 = 630
                  $$

                  ways to distribute the balls.



                  Of course, with the insight that the distribution must be some variant on $(3,2,2)$ the problem becomes much less messy, as in the previous answer. But this include/exclude method generalizes without requiring that insight.






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                    $begingroup$

                    There are $3^7$ ways of distributing the balls, ignoring the restriction. Now how many ways do we have to subtract off because the restriction is violated?



                    Student A could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students B and C.



                    Student A could get exactly one ball, in $7$ ways. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^6$ ways to students B and C. So far, we need to subtract $2^7 + 7cdot 2^6 = 9cdot 64 = 576$ possibilities. Naively, you could jump ahead and subtract a total of $27cdot 64$ balls, but that would be a mistake.



                    Student B could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students A and C, but you don't want to double subtract the case where zero balls were distributed to each of A and B, or where A got one ball. So you have to add back in $1$ distribution case for $A$ getting no balls, and $7$ cases where $A$ got one ball.



                    Student B could get one ball, in $7$ ways. Again, you don't want to double subtract the case where one ball was distributed to each of A and B, or where A got no balls and B got 1.



                    In the end, you tabulate your answer as follows:



                    • $3^7 = 2187$ total cases.


                    • Minus $3$ (who got shorted) times $576$ ways to short a particular student.


                    • Add back $3$ times $1$ way to give all the balls to one student.


                    • Add back $6$ times $7 = 42 $ ways to give one ball to one student and no balls to another.


                    • Add back $3$ times $7cdot 6 = 3 cdot 42 = 126$ ways to give two students one ball apiece.


                    If there were a way to triply violate the conditions you would have to subtract that back out, but there isn't in this problem.



                    The total is
                    $$
                    2187 - 1728 +3+42+126 = 630
                    $$

                    ways to distribute the balls.



                    Of course, with the insight that the distribution must be some variant on $(3,2,2)$ the problem becomes much less messy, as in the previous answer. But this include/exclude method generalizes without requiring that insight.






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                    There are $3^7$ ways of distributing the balls, ignoring the restriction. Now how many ways do we have to subtract off because the restriction is violated?



                    Student A could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students B and C.



                    Student A could get exactly one ball, in $7$ ways. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^6$ ways to students B and C. So far, we need to subtract $2^7 + 7cdot 2^6 = 9cdot 64 = 576$ possibilities. Naively, you could jump ahead and subtract a total of $27cdot 64$ balls, but that would be a mistake.



                    Student B could get zero balls. The remaining balls can then be distributed in $2^7$ ways to students A and C, but you don't want to double subtract the case where zero balls were distributed to each of A and B, or where A got one ball. So you have to add back in $1$ distribution case for $A$ getting no balls, and $7$ cases where $A$ got one ball.



                    Student B could get one ball, in $7$ ways. Again, you don't want to double subtract the case where one ball was distributed to each of A and B, or where A got no balls and B got 1.



                    In the end, you tabulate your answer as follows:



                    • $3^7 = 2187$ total cases.


                    • Minus $3$ (who got shorted) times $576$ ways to short a particular student.


                    • Add back $3$ times $1$ way to give all the balls to one student.


                    • Add back $6$ times $7 = 42 $ ways to give one ball to one student and no balls to another.


                    • Add back $3$ times $7cdot 6 = 3 cdot 42 = 126$ ways to give two students one ball apiece.


                    If there were a way to triply violate the conditions you would have to subtract that back out, but there isn't in this problem.



                    The total is
                    $$
                    2187 - 1728 +3+42+126 = 630
                    $$

                    ways to distribute the balls.



                    Of course, with the insight that the distribution must be some variant on $(3,2,2)$ the problem becomes much less messy, as in the previous answer. But this include/exclude method generalizes without requiring that insight.







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                        There are $binom72$ ways of giving two balls to the first student.



                        There are $binom52$ ways of giving two balls to the second student.



                        There are $binom32$ ways of giving two balls to the third student.



                        Lastly, the last ball can be given to any student, so there are $binom31$ ways to give him.



                        However, there are repeated cases. For example, the case that we give ball 1&2, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 3 is given to the first student is the same as the case that we give ball 1&3, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 2 is given to the first student. Each case way has appeared $binom32$ times.



                        Therefore, the answer is $dfracbinom72binom52binom32binom31binom32=boxed630$






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                          There are $binom72$ ways of giving two balls to the first student.



                          There are $binom52$ ways of giving two balls to the second student.



                          There are $binom32$ ways of giving two balls to the third student.



                          Lastly, the last ball can be given to any student, so there are $binom31$ ways to give him.



                          However, there are repeated cases. For example, the case that we give ball 1&2, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 3 is given to the first student is the same as the case that we give ball 1&3, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 2 is given to the first student. Each case way has appeared $binom32$ times.



                          Therefore, the answer is $dfracbinom72binom52binom32binom31binom32=boxed630$






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                            $begingroup$

                            There are $binom72$ ways of giving two balls to the first student.



                            There are $binom52$ ways of giving two balls to the second student.



                            There are $binom32$ ways of giving two balls to the third student.



                            Lastly, the last ball can be given to any student, so there are $binom31$ ways to give him.



                            However, there are repeated cases. For example, the case that we give ball 1&2, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 3 is given to the first student is the same as the case that we give ball 1&3, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 2 is given to the first student. Each case way has appeared $binom32$ times.



                            Therefore, the answer is $dfracbinom72binom52binom32binom31binom32=boxed630$






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                            There are $binom72$ ways of giving two balls to the first student.



                            There are $binom52$ ways of giving two balls to the second student.



                            There are $binom32$ ways of giving two balls to the third student.



                            Lastly, the last ball can be given to any student, so there are $binom31$ ways to give him.



                            However, there are repeated cases. For example, the case that we give ball 1&2, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 3 is given to the first student is the same as the case that we give ball 1&3, 4&5, 6&7 to the first, second, last student respectively and the ball 2 is given to the first student. Each case way has appeared $binom32$ times.



                            Therefore, the answer is $dfracbinom72binom52binom32binom31binom32=boxed630$







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