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Yes. This は is the same as the topic marker は.

These expressions were originally the start of a greeting, as in, [今日]こんにちはお[元気]げんきでしょうか ("You're feeling well today?") or [今晩]こんばんはいかがですか ("How are you this evening?"), etc. Over time, through regular and frequent use, the opening portions came to be used independently as simplified greetings.

According to Shogakukan's [国語]こくご[大]だい[辞典]じてん entry for [今日]こんにちは:

（「今日は…」と続けた挨拶語の下略されたもの）

　(omitting the portion of the greeting continuing on after "konnichi wa...")

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  I think it might be worth drawing a distinction between “is a particle” and “was originally a particle”, because IMO these words are fully lexicalized and は is not serving the function a particle normally would...
  
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  Perhaps I'm being too picky, but If that's the case, then the answer of the question should be "No, despite it used to be originally."
  
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  @DariusJahandarie, though lexicalized to the point that these phrases can be used independently, the latter at least can also be used in fuller contexts as originally composed. Google searches for 今晩は + some other following term show no dearth of such usage, such as 今晩は寒くて. Daijirin also parses this as a particle: 〔「は」は助詞。「今日は御機嫌いかがですか」などの下を略した形〕 And if は is not a particle, what is it? I'd counter-claim that it's still the particle は, just that it functions differently in this specific lexicalized context. :)
  
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  “And if は is not a particle, what is it?” < I would say it’s a kana... just like the う in ありがとう.
  
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  When analyzing things synchronically, what is most relevant is the mental model of the native speakers using it. If you want to create a complex model to say that there are multiple uses of the particle は, including a sentence-ending one that doesn’t invoke a feeling of something being missing/inferred, go ahead, but somehow that doesn’t feel right compared to こんにちは just being an expression that is made up of those sounds and no further...
  
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Yes. This は is the same as the topic marker は.

These expressions were originally the start of a greeting, as in, [今日]こんにちはお[元気]げんきでしょうか ("You're feeling well today?") or [今晩]こんばんはいかがですか ("How are you this evening?"), etc. Over time, through regular and frequent use, the opening portions came to be used independently as simplified greetings.

According to Shogakukan's [国語]こくご[大]だい[辞典]じてん entry for [今日]こんにちは:

（「今日は…」と続けた挨拶語の下略されたもの）

　(omitting the portion of the greeting continuing on after "konnichi wa...")

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  I think it might be worth drawing a distinction between “is a particle” and “was originally a particle”, because IMO these words are fully lexicalized and は is not serving the function a particle normally would...
  
  – Darius Jahandarie
  7 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  Perhaps I'm being too picky, but If that's the case, then the answer of the question should be "No, despite it used to be originally."
  
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  @DariusJahandarie, though lexicalized to the point that these phrases can be used independently, the latter at least can also be used in fuller contexts as originally composed. Google searches for 今晩は + some other following term show no dearth of such usage, such as 今晩は寒くて. Daijirin also parses this as a particle: 〔「は」は助詞。「今日は御機嫌いかがですか」などの下を略した形〕 And if は is not a particle, what is it? I'd counter-claim that it's still the particle は, just that it functions differently in this specific lexicalized context. :)
  
  – Eiríkr Útlendi
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  “And if は is not a particle, what is it?” < I would say it’s a kana... just like the う in ありがとう.
  
  – Darius Jahandarie
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  When analyzing things synchronically, what is most relevant is the mental model of the native speakers using it. If you want to create a complex model to say that there are multiple uses of the particle は, including a sentence-ending one that doesn’t invoke a feeling of something being missing/inferred, go ahead, but somehow that doesn’t feel right compared to こんにちは just being an expression that is made up of those sounds and no further...
  
  – Darius Jahandarie
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Yes. This は is the same as the topic marker は.

These expressions were originally the start of a greeting, as in, [今日]こんにちはお[元気]げんきでしょうか ("You're feeling well today?") or [今晩]こんばんはいかがですか ("How are you this evening?"), etc. Over time, through regular and frequent use, the opening portions came to be used independently as simplified greetings.

According to Shogakukan's [国語]こくご[大]だい[辞典]じてん entry for [今日]こんにちは:

（「今日は…」と続けた挨拶語の下略されたもの）

　(omitting the portion of the greeting continuing on after "konnichi wa...")

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answered 7 hours ago

Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi

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  I think it might be worth drawing a distinction between “is a particle” and “was originally a particle”, because IMO these words are fully lexicalized and は is not serving the function a particle normally would...
  
  – Darius Jahandarie
  7 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Perhaps I'm being too picky, but If that's the case, then the answer of the question should be "No, despite it used to be originally."
  
  – jarmanso7
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @DariusJahandarie, though lexicalized to the point that these phrases can be used independently, the latter at least can also be used in fuller contexts as originally composed. Google searches for 今晩は + some other following term show no dearth of such usage, such as 今晩は寒くて. Daijirin also parses this as a particle: 〔「は」は助詞。「今日は御機嫌いかがですか」などの下を略した形〕 And if は is not a particle, what is it? I'd counter-claim that it's still the particle は, just that it functions differently in this specific lexicalized context. :)
  
  – Eiríkr Útlendi
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  “And if は is not a particle, what is it?” < I would say it’s a kana... just like the う in ありがとう.
  
  – Darius Jahandarie
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  When analyzing things synchronically, what is most relevant is the mental model of the native speakers using it. If you want to create a complex model to say that there are multiple uses of the particle は, including a sentence-ending one that doesn’t invoke a feeling of something being missing/inferred, go ahead, but somehow that doesn’t feel right compared to こんにちは just being an expression that is made up of those sounds and no further...
  
  – Darius Jahandarie
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 1 more comment

Yes. This は is the same as the topic marker は.

These expressions were originally the start of a greeting, as in, [今日]こんにちはお[元気]げんきでしょうか ("You're feeling well today?") or [今晩]こんばんはいかがですか ("How are you this evening?"), etc. Over time, through regular and frequent use, the opening portions came to be used independently as simplified greetings.

According to Shogakukan's [国語]こくご[大]だい[辞典]じてん entry for [今日]こんにちは:

（「今日は…」と続けた挨拶語の下略されたもの）

　(omitting the portion of the greeting continuing on after "konnichi wa...")

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