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Why are both D and D# fitting into my E minor key?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Understanding minor key harmonyUnderstanding minor key harmonyDefinition of minor keyWhy are there major and minor intervals?Why are the harmonic and melodic minor scales called what they are?Why does the melodic minor scale turn into natural minor when descending?Minor key and its chordsDominant transferred in into a minor key and a major keyWhy are there both sharps and flats?Being limited to the natural minor/major, relative minor/major and parallel keyWhich key are these notes and how to transpose it to the key of D?
I tried to look around for an answer to this problem but don't know how to ask the proper question in a search engine. I've been working on a song and realized recently that while I had been working on the song in the key of Em (E, F#, G, A, B, C, D) I had accidentally placed D# notes in several of my melodies. The confusing part is it sounds fine and I didn't even notice until I looked closer. What's more, if I change them to D it sounds off key and if I change them to E it just sounds wrong for what the melody is supposed to be doing. I don't have much music theory knowledge but this confused what I thought I knew. Am I misunderstanding something here? Any help and clarification would be appreciated.
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I tried to look around for an answer to this problem but don't know how to ask the proper question in a search engine. I've been working on a song and realized recently that while I had been working on the song in the key of Em (E, F#, G, A, B, C, D) I had accidentally placed D# notes in several of my melodies. The confusing part is it sounds fine and I didn't even notice until I looked closer. What's more, if I change them to D it sounds off key and if I change them to E it just sounds wrong for what the melody is supposed to be doing. I don't have much music theory knowledge but this confused what I thought I knew. Am I misunderstanding something here? Any help and clarification would be appreciated.
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Not-so-random question: do the D sharps tend to occur when the melody is going upward, and the D naturals when it is going down? Alternatively, if you have harmonies, or chords, worked out, do you notice certain chords attracting the D naturals and others the D sharps?
– replete
3 hours ago
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Read the answers to this question for more information on minor key harmony.
– Matt L.
1 hour ago
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I tried to look around for an answer to this problem but don't know how to ask the proper question in a search engine. I've been working on a song and realized recently that while I had been working on the song in the key of Em (E, F#, G, A, B, C, D) I had accidentally placed D# notes in several of my melodies. The confusing part is it sounds fine and I didn't even notice until I looked closer. What's more, if I change them to D it sounds off key and if I change them to E it just sounds wrong for what the melody is supposed to be doing. I don't have much music theory knowledge but this confused what I thought I knew. Am I misunderstanding something here? Any help and clarification would be appreciated.
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I tried to look around for an answer to this problem but don't know how to ask the proper question in a search engine. I've been working on a song and realized recently that while I had been working on the song in the key of Em (E, F#, G, A, B, C, D) I had accidentally placed D# notes in several of my melodies. The confusing part is it sounds fine and I didn't even notice until I looked closer. What's more, if I change them to D it sounds off key and if I change them to E it just sounds wrong for what the melody is supposed to be doing. I don't have much music theory knowledge but this confused what I thought I knew. Am I misunderstanding something here? Any help and clarification would be appreciated.
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Not-so-random question: do the D sharps tend to occur when the melody is going upward, and the D naturals when it is going down? Alternatively, if you have harmonies, or chords, worked out, do you notice certain chords attracting the D naturals and others the D sharps?
– replete
3 hours ago
1
Read the answers to this question for more information on minor key harmony.
– Matt L.
1 hour ago
add a comment |
2
Not-so-random question: do the D sharps tend to occur when the melody is going upward, and the D naturals when it is going down? Alternatively, if you have harmonies, or chords, worked out, do you notice certain chords attracting the D naturals and others the D sharps?
– replete
3 hours ago
1
Read the answers to this question for more information on minor key harmony.
– Matt L.
1 hour ago
2
2
Not-so-random question: do the D sharps tend to occur when the melody is going upward, and the D naturals when it is going down? Alternatively, if you have harmonies, or chords, worked out, do you notice certain chords attracting the D naturals and others the D sharps?
– replete
3 hours ago
Not-so-random question: do the D sharps tend to occur when the melody is going upward, and the D naturals when it is going down? Alternatively, if you have harmonies, or chords, worked out, do you notice certain chords attracting the D naturals and others the D sharps?
– replete
3 hours ago
1
1
Read the answers to this question for more information on minor key harmony.
– Matt L.
1 hour ago
Read the answers to this question for more information on minor key harmony.
– Matt L.
1 hour ago
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Your confusion is understandable because you have the choice of using one, or a combination, of three minor scales: the natural minor, the harmonic minor or the melodic minor. In using a D# you have strayed from the natural minor scale to the melodic minor scale, and this scale has worked for you.
The natural minor scale flattens the 3rd, 6th and 7th degrees of the parallel major scale. The harmonic minor scale flattens the 3rd and 6th. The melodic minor (ascending) only flattens the 3rd, but when descending it is identical to the natural minor, flattening the 3rd, 6th and 7th. The jazz melodic minor just flattens the 3rd, ascending and descending.
These scales are all legitimate minor scales (there are others too). What's known as the Leading Tone, in this case D#, has a strong pull towards the tonic and it is often used in popular songs. At present you seem to prefer that semitone sound between D# and E, and that's fine.
It'd be good to point out that the reason D# sounds good is that it's the leading tone and general in popular music, the resolutions are usually D#->E rather than D->E
– Shevliaskovic
31 mins ago
Thanks, @Shevliaskovic. Done.
– Areel Xocha
15 mins ago
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D# makes a nice lower neighbor to E. Likewise, in E-minor, the dominant (B) often has its third raised at cadence points. Minor keys (at least in classical theory) have two mutable notes; scale steps 6 and 7 may be raised to make voice leading smoother or just because it sounds good.
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You'll most likely find that the chord used where D♯ fits better is either B major or B7. That has the D♯ in it. The D ♮ will fit in other places, notably when going from an Em chord to an Am. It's the reason centuries ago that the natural minor scale morphed into the harmonic minor, with a raised leading note ( here, the D♯), and later, because there was then a great big jump of a tone ane a half created, the 6th note of that natural minor got sharpened too, to remove a big jump.
All the minor scales have the same first five notes, but the melodic minor (classical) has the same 6 and 7 as the parallel major scale.
Very slight nitpick (fixed in edit): "B major, or B7" seems like an appositive stating that B major is the same as B7.
– user45266
18 mins ago
@user45266 - that's fine. Do you mean apposition? Not heard of appositive.
– Tim
9 mins ago
Well, I thought that was the correct term, but now I'm not sure... I was always better at music theory than English grammar (funnily enough, reflected well in my reputation on ELL compared to MP&T)
– user45266
7 mins ago
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Your confusion is understandable because you have the choice of using one, or a combination, of three minor scales: the natural minor, the harmonic minor or the melodic minor. In using a D# you have strayed from the natural minor scale to the melodic minor scale, and this scale has worked for you.
The natural minor scale flattens the 3rd, 6th and 7th degrees of the parallel major scale. The harmonic minor scale flattens the 3rd and 6th. The melodic minor (ascending) only flattens the 3rd, but when descending it is identical to the natural minor, flattening the 3rd, 6th and 7th. The jazz melodic minor just flattens the 3rd, ascending and descending.
These scales are all legitimate minor scales (there are others too). What's known as the Leading Tone, in this case D#, has a strong pull towards the tonic and it is often used in popular songs. At present you seem to prefer that semitone sound between D# and E, and that's fine.
It'd be good to point out that the reason D# sounds good is that it's the leading tone and general in popular music, the resolutions are usually D#->E rather than D->E
– Shevliaskovic
31 mins ago
Thanks, @Shevliaskovic. Done.
– Areel Xocha
15 mins ago
add a comment |
Your confusion is understandable because you have the choice of using one, or a combination, of three minor scales: the natural minor, the harmonic minor or the melodic minor. In using a D# you have strayed from the natural minor scale to the melodic minor scale, and this scale has worked for you.
The natural minor scale flattens the 3rd, 6th and 7th degrees of the parallel major scale. The harmonic minor scale flattens the 3rd and 6th. The melodic minor (ascending) only flattens the 3rd, but when descending it is identical to the natural minor, flattening the 3rd, 6th and 7th. The jazz melodic minor just flattens the 3rd, ascending and descending.
These scales are all legitimate minor scales (there are others too). What's known as the Leading Tone, in this case D#, has a strong pull towards the tonic and it is often used in popular songs. At present you seem to prefer that semitone sound between D# and E, and that's fine.
It'd be good to point out that the reason D# sounds good is that it's the leading tone and general in popular music, the resolutions are usually D#->E rather than D->E
– Shevliaskovic
31 mins ago
Thanks, @Shevliaskovic. Done.
– Areel Xocha
15 mins ago
add a comment |
Your confusion is understandable because you have the choice of using one, or a combination, of three minor scales: the natural minor, the harmonic minor or the melodic minor. In using a D# you have strayed from the natural minor scale to the melodic minor scale, and this scale has worked for you.
The natural minor scale flattens the 3rd, 6th and 7th degrees of the parallel major scale. The harmonic minor scale flattens the 3rd and 6th. The melodic minor (ascending) only flattens the 3rd, but when descending it is identical to the natural minor, flattening the 3rd, 6th and 7th. The jazz melodic minor just flattens the 3rd, ascending and descending.
These scales are all legitimate minor scales (there are others too). What's known as the Leading Tone, in this case D#, has a strong pull towards the tonic and it is often used in popular songs. At present you seem to prefer that semitone sound between D# and E, and that's fine.
Your confusion is understandable because you have the choice of using one, or a combination, of three minor scales: the natural minor, the harmonic minor or the melodic minor. In using a D# you have strayed from the natural minor scale to the melodic minor scale, and this scale has worked for you.
The natural minor scale flattens the 3rd, 6th and 7th degrees of the parallel major scale. The harmonic minor scale flattens the 3rd and 6th. The melodic minor (ascending) only flattens the 3rd, but when descending it is identical to the natural minor, flattening the 3rd, 6th and 7th. The jazz melodic minor just flattens the 3rd, ascending and descending.
These scales are all legitimate minor scales (there are others too). What's known as the Leading Tone, in this case D#, has a strong pull towards the tonic and it is often used in popular songs. At present you seem to prefer that semitone sound between D# and E, and that's fine.
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It'd be good to point out that the reason D# sounds good is that it's the leading tone and general in popular music, the resolutions are usually D#->E rather than D->E
– Shevliaskovic
31 mins ago
Thanks, @Shevliaskovic. Done.
– Areel Xocha
15 mins ago
add a comment |
It'd be good to point out that the reason D# sounds good is that it's the leading tone and general in popular music, the resolutions are usually D#->E rather than D->E
– Shevliaskovic
31 mins ago
Thanks, @Shevliaskovic. Done.
– Areel Xocha
15 mins ago
It'd be good to point out that the reason D# sounds good is that it's the leading tone and general in popular music, the resolutions are usually D#->E rather than D->E
– Shevliaskovic
31 mins ago
It'd be good to point out that the reason D# sounds good is that it's the leading tone and general in popular music, the resolutions are usually D#->E rather than D->E
– Shevliaskovic
31 mins ago
Thanks, @Shevliaskovic. Done.
– Areel Xocha
15 mins ago
Thanks, @Shevliaskovic. Done.
– Areel Xocha
15 mins ago
add a comment |
D# makes a nice lower neighbor to E. Likewise, in E-minor, the dominant (B) often has its third raised at cadence points. Minor keys (at least in classical theory) have two mutable notes; scale steps 6 and 7 may be raised to make voice leading smoother or just because it sounds good.
add a comment |
D# makes a nice lower neighbor to E. Likewise, in E-minor, the dominant (B) often has its third raised at cadence points. Minor keys (at least in classical theory) have two mutable notes; scale steps 6 and 7 may be raised to make voice leading smoother or just because it sounds good.
add a comment |
D# makes a nice lower neighbor to E. Likewise, in E-minor, the dominant (B) often has its third raised at cadence points. Minor keys (at least in classical theory) have two mutable notes; scale steps 6 and 7 may be raised to make voice leading smoother or just because it sounds good.
D# makes a nice lower neighbor to E. Likewise, in E-minor, the dominant (B) often has its third raised at cadence points. Minor keys (at least in classical theory) have two mutable notes; scale steps 6 and 7 may be raised to make voice leading smoother or just because it sounds good.
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You'll most likely find that the chord used where D♯ fits better is either B major or B7. That has the D♯ in it. The D ♮ will fit in other places, notably when going from an Em chord to an Am. It's the reason centuries ago that the natural minor scale morphed into the harmonic minor, with a raised leading note ( here, the D♯), and later, because there was then a great big jump of a tone ane a half created, the 6th note of that natural minor got sharpened too, to remove a big jump.
All the minor scales have the same first five notes, but the melodic minor (classical) has the same 6 and 7 as the parallel major scale.
Very slight nitpick (fixed in edit): "B major, or B7" seems like an appositive stating that B major is the same as B7.
– user45266
18 mins ago
@user45266 - that's fine. Do you mean apposition? Not heard of appositive.
– Tim
9 mins ago
Well, I thought that was the correct term, but now I'm not sure... I was always better at music theory than English grammar (funnily enough, reflected well in my reputation on ELL compared to MP&T)
– user45266
7 mins ago
add a comment |
You'll most likely find that the chord used where D♯ fits better is either B major or B7. That has the D♯ in it. The D ♮ will fit in other places, notably when going from an Em chord to an Am. It's the reason centuries ago that the natural minor scale morphed into the harmonic minor, with a raised leading note ( here, the D♯), and later, because there was then a great big jump of a tone ane a half created, the 6th note of that natural minor got sharpened too, to remove a big jump.
All the minor scales have the same first five notes, but the melodic minor (classical) has the same 6 and 7 as the parallel major scale.
Very slight nitpick (fixed in edit): "B major, or B7" seems like an appositive stating that B major is the same as B7.
– user45266
18 mins ago
@user45266 - that's fine. Do you mean apposition? Not heard of appositive.
– Tim
9 mins ago
Well, I thought that was the correct term, but now I'm not sure... I was always better at music theory than English grammar (funnily enough, reflected well in my reputation on ELL compared to MP&T)
– user45266
7 mins ago
add a comment |
You'll most likely find that the chord used where D♯ fits better is either B major or B7. That has the D♯ in it. The D ♮ will fit in other places, notably when going from an Em chord to an Am. It's the reason centuries ago that the natural minor scale morphed into the harmonic minor, with a raised leading note ( here, the D♯), and later, because there was then a great big jump of a tone ane a half created, the 6th note of that natural minor got sharpened too, to remove a big jump.
All the minor scales have the same first five notes, but the melodic minor (classical) has the same 6 and 7 as the parallel major scale.
You'll most likely find that the chord used where D♯ fits better is either B major or B7. That has the D♯ in it. The D ♮ will fit in other places, notably when going from an Em chord to an Am. It's the reason centuries ago that the natural minor scale morphed into the harmonic minor, with a raised leading note ( here, the D♯), and later, because there was then a great big jump of a tone ane a half created, the 6th note of that natural minor got sharpened too, to remove a big jump.
All the minor scales have the same first five notes, but the melodic minor (classical) has the same 6 and 7 as the parallel major scale.
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Very slight nitpick (fixed in edit): "B major, or B7" seems like an appositive stating that B major is the same as B7.
– user45266
18 mins ago
@user45266 - that's fine. Do you mean apposition? Not heard of appositive.
– Tim
9 mins ago
Well, I thought that was the correct term, but now I'm not sure... I was always better at music theory than English grammar (funnily enough, reflected well in my reputation on ELL compared to MP&T)
– user45266
7 mins ago
add a comment |
Very slight nitpick (fixed in edit): "B major, or B7" seems like an appositive stating that B major is the same as B7.
– user45266
18 mins ago
@user45266 - that's fine. Do you mean apposition? Not heard of appositive.
– Tim
9 mins ago
Well, I thought that was the correct term, but now I'm not sure... I was always better at music theory than English grammar (funnily enough, reflected well in my reputation on ELL compared to MP&T)
– user45266
7 mins ago
Very slight nitpick (fixed in edit): "B major, or B7" seems like an appositive stating that B major is the same as B7.
– user45266
18 mins ago
Very slight nitpick (fixed in edit): "B major, or B7" seems like an appositive stating that B major is the same as B7.
– user45266
18 mins ago
@user45266 - that's fine. Do you mean apposition? Not heard of appositive.
– Tim
9 mins ago
@user45266 - that's fine. Do you mean apposition? Not heard of appositive.
– Tim
9 mins ago
Well, I thought that was the correct term, but now I'm not sure... I was always better at music theory than English grammar (funnily enough, reflected well in my reputation on ELL compared to MP&T)
– user45266
7 mins ago
Well, I thought that was the correct term, but now I'm not sure... I was always better at music theory than English grammar (funnily enough, reflected well in my reputation on ELL compared to MP&T)
– user45266
7 mins ago
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Not-so-random question: do the D sharps tend to occur when the melody is going upward, and the D naturals when it is going down? Alternatively, if you have harmonies, or chords, worked out, do you notice certain chords attracting the D naturals and others the D sharps?
– replete
3 hours ago
1
Read the answers to this question for more information on minor key harmony.
– Matt L.
1 hour ago