Is this statement about cut time correct?
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Is this statement about cut time correct?
I was just reading an e-book and saw this sentence which really confused me:
"Played twice as fast as written" - This isn't what cut time actually means right, or are there situations where cut time means exactly that?
I thought cut time is basically just 2/2 time signature, but the speed would still depend on the bpm and the note durations...
cut-time alla-breve
asked 5 hours ago
AndyAndy
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I was just reading an e-book and saw this sentence which really confused me:
"Played twice as fast as written" - This isn't what cut time actually means right, or are there situations where cut time means exactly that?
I thought cut time is basically just 2/2 time signature, but the speed would still depend on the bpm and the note durations...
cut-time alla-breve
asked 5 hours ago
AndyAndy
55511
I see the answers. And I get what they are saying. But... if you change nothing but the time signature to 4/4 and then played it would not sound twice as fast as written in cut time?
– b3ko
4 hours ago
@b3ko - Nah, it would only sound just as fast. You didn't change the tempo, after all.
– Dekkadeci
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I was just reading an e-book and saw this sentence which really confused me:
"Played twice as fast as written" - This isn't what cut time actually means right, or are there situations where cut time means exactly that?
I thought cut time is basically just 2/2 time signature, but the speed would still depend on the bpm and the note durations...
cut-time alla-breve
asked 5 hours ago
AndyAndy
55511
I was just reading an e-book and saw this sentence which really confused me:
"Played twice as fast as written" - This isn't what cut time actually means right, or are there situations where cut time means exactly that?
I thought cut time is basically just 2/2 time signature, but the speed would still depend on the bpm and the note durations...
cut-time alla-breve
cut-time alla-breve
asked 5 hours ago
AndyAndy
55511
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AndyAndy
55511
asked 5 hours ago
AndyAndy
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AndyAndy
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I see the answers. And I get what they are saying. But... if you change nothing but the time signature to 4/4 and then played it would not sound twice as fast as written in cut time?
– b3ko
4 hours ago
@b3ko - Nah, it would only sound just as fast. You didn't change the tempo, after all.
– Dekkadeci
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I see the answers. And I get what they are saying. But... if you change nothing but the time signature to 4/4 and then played it would not sound twice as fast as written in cut time?
– b3ko
4 hours ago
@b3ko - Nah, it would only sound just as fast. You didn't change the tempo, after all.
– Dekkadeci
1 hour ago
I see the answers. And I get what they are saying. But... if you change nothing but the time signature to 4/4 and then played it would not sound twice as fast as written in cut time?
– b3ko
4 hours ago
I see the answers. And I get what they are saying. But... if you change nothing but the time signature to 4/4 and then played it would not sound twice as fast as written in cut time?
– b3ko
4 hours ago
@b3ko - Nah, it would only sound just as fast. You didn't change the tempo, after all.
– Dekkadeci
1 hour ago
@b3ko - Nah, it would only sound just as fast. You didn't change the tempo, after all.
– Dekkadeci
1 hour ago
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It would be more accurate to say that cut time "will sound twice as fast as the same notes played in 4/4 at the same tempo". That's essentially what they're trying to get across.
But even that wouldn't really be accurate. Cut time is a duple meter, 4/4 is a quadruple meter. The difference is subtle, but it's still a difference.
answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
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That sentence "Played twice as fast as written" indicates that someone must have a misunderstanding. Someone who probably thinks that quarter notes are supposed to be played at a certain speed. That person would need more knowledge and experience with both tempo markings and different kinds of time signatures.
I suppose you could say that in the beginning when you learn your first note values and make your first exercises with the values you do get used to think of quarter notes as indicating some basic speed. You need to crawl before you can walk so to speak. But you certainly better learn to walk before you write a work book on the matter.
answered 5 hours ago
Lars Peter SchultzLars Peter Schultz
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It may be that the e-book used the same notation example written in 4/4 earlier, and is indicating to play this version faster?
You are correct that the time signature is not the indicator for tempo. There is an old tradition of using Alla Breve to indicate the piece is a faster tempo, but current practice is to use tempo markings. The cut time choice changes the feel of the music because of the strong beat.
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
I thought the same, but couldn't find a 4/4 version earlier on. Yes, in 4/4 the 1st and 3rd beat would be the strong ones, but 3 would be less strong than 1. In 2/2 you just have strong - weak - strong - weak right? So if you would double the note values of a 4/4 and make it 2/2, you would get basically a stronger 3rd beat?
– Andy
5 hours ago
yes, but I've seen it used where the melody seems like it is in 4 but there isn't a second strong beat, so you get a strong - weak-weak-weak sound.
– Alphonso Balvenie
23 mins ago
add a comment |
No, it's not current... and it doesn't really make much sense. (How fast is it "written"?)
Your assertion that time signatures do not dictate tempo is correct. Certain meters might imply faster tempi (6/4 is probably going to be used for slower pieces, and 12/16 is usually seen in fast pieces like gigues) but those are general usages, not requirements.
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
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It would be more accurate to say that cut time "will sound twice as fast as the same notes played in 4/4 at the same tempo". That's essentially what they're trying to get across.
But even that wouldn't really be accurate. Cut time is a duple meter, 4/4 is a quadruple meter. The difference is subtle, but it's still a difference.
answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
1,614110
add a comment |
It would be more accurate to say that cut time "will sound twice as fast as the same notes played in 4/4 at the same tempo". That's essentially what they're trying to get across.
But even that wouldn't really be accurate. Cut time is a duple meter, 4/4 is a quadruple meter. The difference is subtle, but it's still a difference.
answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
1,614110
add a comment |
It would be more accurate to say that cut time "will sound twice as fast as the same notes played in 4/4 at the same tempo". That's essentially what they're trying to get across.
But even that wouldn't really be accurate. Cut time is a duple meter, 4/4 is a quadruple meter. The difference is subtle, but it's still a difference.
answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
1,614110
It would be more accurate to say that cut time "will sound twice as fast as the same notes played in 4/4 at the same tempo". That's essentially what they're trying to get across.
But even that wouldn't really be accurate. Cut time is a duple meter, 4/4 is a quadruple meter. The difference is subtle, but it's still a difference.
answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
1,614110
answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
1,614110
answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
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answered 5 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
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That sentence "Played twice as fast as written" indicates that someone must have a misunderstanding. Someone who probably thinks that quarter notes are supposed to be played at a certain speed. That person would need more knowledge and experience with both tempo markings and different kinds of time signatures.
I suppose you could say that in the beginning when you learn your first note values and make your first exercises with the values you do get used to think of quarter notes as indicating some basic speed. You need to crawl before you can walk so to speak. But you certainly better learn to walk before you write a work book on the matter.
answered 5 hours ago
Lars Peter SchultzLars Peter Schultz
74716
add a comment |
That sentence "Played twice as fast as written" indicates that someone must have a misunderstanding. Someone who probably thinks that quarter notes are supposed to be played at a certain speed. That person would need more knowledge and experience with both tempo markings and different kinds of time signatures.
I suppose you could say that in the beginning when you learn your first note values and make your first exercises with the values you do get used to think of quarter notes as indicating some basic speed. You need to crawl before you can walk so to speak. But you certainly better learn to walk before you write a work book on the matter.
answered 5 hours ago
Lars Peter SchultzLars Peter Schultz
74716
add a comment |
That sentence "Played twice as fast as written" indicates that someone must have a misunderstanding. Someone who probably thinks that quarter notes are supposed to be played at a certain speed. That person would need more knowledge and experience with both tempo markings and different kinds of time signatures.
I suppose you could say that in the beginning when you learn your first note values and make your first exercises with the values you do get used to think of quarter notes as indicating some basic speed. You need to crawl before you can walk so to speak. But you certainly better learn to walk before you write a work book on the matter.
answered 5 hours ago
Lars Peter SchultzLars Peter Schultz
74716
That sentence "Played twice as fast as written" indicates that someone must have a misunderstanding. Someone who probably thinks that quarter notes are supposed to be played at a certain speed. That person would need more knowledge and experience with both tempo markings and different kinds of time signatures.
I suppose you could say that in the beginning when you learn your first note values and make your first exercises with the values you do get used to think of quarter notes as indicating some basic speed. You need to crawl before you can walk so to speak. But you certainly better learn to walk before you write a work book on the matter.
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It may be that the e-book used the same notation example written in 4/4 earlier, and is indicating to play this version faster?
You are correct that the time signature is not the indicator for tempo. There is an old tradition of using Alla Breve to indicate the piece is a faster tempo, but current practice is to use tempo markings. The cut time choice changes the feel of the music because of the strong beat.
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
I thought the same, but couldn't find a 4/4 version earlier on. Yes, in 4/4 the 1st and 3rd beat would be the strong ones, but 3 would be less strong than 1. In 2/2 you just have strong - weak - strong - weak right? So if you would double the note values of a 4/4 and make it 2/2, you would get basically a stronger 3rd beat?
– Andy
5 hours ago
yes, but I've seen it used where the melody seems like it is in 4 but there isn't a second strong beat, so you get a strong - weak-weak-weak sound.
– Alphonso Balvenie
23 mins ago
add a comment |
It may be that the e-book used the same notation example written in 4/4 earlier, and is indicating to play this version faster?
You are correct that the time signature is not the indicator for tempo. There is an old tradition of using Alla Breve to indicate the piece is a faster tempo, but current practice is to use tempo markings. The cut time choice changes the feel of the music because of the strong beat.
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
I thought the same, but couldn't find a 4/4 version earlier on. Yes, in 4/4 the 1st and 3rd beat would be the strong ones, but 3 would be less strong than 1. In 2/2 you just have strong - weak - strong - weak right? So if you would double the note values of a 4/4 and make it 2/2, you would get basically a stronger 3rd beat?
– Andy
5 hours ago
yes, but I've seen it used where the melody seems like it is in 4 but there isn't a second strong beat, so you get a strong - weak-weak-weak sound.
– Alphonso Balvenie
23 mins ago
add a comment |
It may be that the e-book used the same notation example written in 4/4 earlier, and is indicating to play this version faster?
You are correct that the time signature is not the indicator for tempo. There is an old tradition of using Alla Breve to indicate the piece is a faster tempo, but current practice is to use tempo markings. The cut time choice changes the feel of the music because of the strong beat.
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
It may be that the e-book used the same notation example written in 4/4 earlier, and is indicating to play this version faster?
You are correct that the time signature is not the indicator for tempo. There is an old tradition of using Alla Breve to indicate the piece is a faster tempo, but current practice is to use tempo markings. The cut time choice changes the feel of the music because of the strong beat.
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
answered 5 hours ago
Alphonso BalvenieAlphonso Balvenie
4,631717
4,631717
I thought the same, but couldn't find a 4/4 version earlier on. Yes, in 4/4 the 1st and 3rd beat would be the strong ones, but 3 would be less strong than 1. In 2/2 you just have strong - weak - strong - weak right? So if you would double the note values of a 4/4 and make it 2/2, you would get basically a stronger 3rd beat?
– Andy
5 hours ago
yes, but I've seen it used where the melody seems like it is in 4 but there isn't a second strong beat, so you get a strong - weak-weak-weak sound.
– Alphonso Balvenie
23 mins ago
add a comment |
I thought the same, but couldn't find a 4/4 version earlier on. Yes, in 4/4 the 1st and 3rd beat would be the strong ones, but 3 would be less strong than 1. In 2/2 you just have strong - weak - strong - weak right? So if you would double the note values of a 4/4 and make it 2/2, you would get basically a stronger 3rd beat?
– Andy
5 hours ago
yes, but I've seen it used where the melody seems like it is in 4 but there isn't a second strong beat, so you get a strong - weak-weak-weak sound.
– Alphonso Balvenie
23 mins ago
I thought the same, but couldn't find a 4/4 version earlier on. Yes, in 4/4 the 1st and 3rd beat would be the strong ones, but 3 would be less strong than 1. In 2/2 you just have strong - weak - strong - weak right? So if you would double the note values of a 4/4 and make it 2/2, you would get basically a stronger 3rd beat?
– Andy
5 hours ago
I thought the same, but couldn't find a 4/4 version earlier on. Yes, in 4/4 the 1st and 3rd beat would be the strong ones, but 3 would be less strong than 1. In 2/2 you just have strong - weak - strong - weak right? So if you would double the note values of a 4/4 and make it 2/2, you would get basically a stronger 3rd beat?
– Andy
5 hours ago
yes, but I've seen it used where the melody seems like it is in 4 but there isn't a second strong beat, so you get a strong - weak-weak-weak sound.
– Alphonso Balvenie
23 mins ago
yes, but I've seen it used where the melody seems like it is in 4 but there isn't a second strong beat, so you get a strong - weak-weak-weak sound.
– Alphonso Balvenie
23 mins ago
add a comment |
No, it's not current... and it doesn't really make much sense. (How fast is it "written"?)
Your assertion that time signatures do not dictate tempo is correct. Certain meters might imply faster tempi (6/4 is probably going to be used for slower pieces, and 12/16 is usually seen in fast pieces like gigues) but those are general usages, not requirements.
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
add a comment |
No, it's not current... and it doesn't really make much sense. (How fast is it "written"?)
Your assertion that time signatures do not dictate tempo is correct. Certain meters might imply faster tempi (6/4 is probably going to be used for slower pieces, and 12/16 is usually seen in fast pieces like gigues) but those are general usages, not requirements.
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
add a comment |
No, it's not current... and it doesn't really make much sense. (How fast is it "written"?)
Your assertion that time signatures do not dictate tempo is correct. Certain meters might imply faster tempi (6/4 is probably going to be used for slower pieces, and 12/16 is usually seen in fast pieces like gigues) but those are general usages, not requirements.
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
No, it's not current... and it doesn't really make much sense. (How fast is it "written"?)
Your assertion that time signatures do not dictate tempo is correct. Certain meters might imply faster tempi (6/4 is probably going to be used for slower pieces, and 12/16 is usually seen in fast pieces like gigues) but those are general usages, not requirements.
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
answered 5 hours ago
TobyRushTobyRush
20112
20112
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I see the answers. And I get what they are saying. But... if you change nothing but the time signature to 4/4 and then played it would not sound twice as fast as written in cut time?
– b3ko
4 hours ago
@b3ko - Nah, it would only sound just as fast. You didn't change the tempo, after all.
– Dekkadeci
1 hour ago