What are the mechanical differences between the uncommon Medallion of Thoughts and the rare Potion of Mind Reading?Why is this uncommon magic item better than this rare magic item?Is item rarity really tied to how powerful it is?What are the limits of Glibness concerning Deception?What are the (non-encumbrance) effects that discriminate between rods and wands?When are the daily uses of a magic item recharged?What's the difference between making magic items with Permanency and with crafting?Magic Item pricing, True casting/True StrikeHow can you lie and keep secrets from a telepathic Mind-Reader?Is this custom Bracers, Longarm correctly priced?What rarities should be assigned to each of the DMG's Magic Item Tables A through I?How do use-limited spell enhancements interact with spells learned normally?How often can spells be cast from a Rod of Alertness?
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What are the mechanical differences between the uncommon Medallion of Thoughts and the rare Potion of Mind Reading?
Why is this uncommon magic item better than this rare magic item?Is item rarity really tied to how powerful it is?What are the limits of Glibness concerning Deception?What are the (non-encumbrance) effects that discriminate between rods and wands?When are the daily uses of a magic item recharged?What's the difference between making magic items with Permanency and with crafting?Magic Item pricing, True casting/True StrikeHow can you lie and keep secrets from a telepathic Mind-Reader?Is this custom Bracers, Longarm correctly priced?What rarities should be assigned to each of the DMG's Magic Item Tables A through I?How do use-limited spell enhancements interact with spells learned normally?How often can spells be cast from a Rod of Alertness?
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An uncommon Medallion of Thoughts lets you cast detect thoughts up to three times a day, while a rare Potion of Mind Reading is a one-use item.
Are there any mechanical advantages to using the more expensive potion over the cheaper medallion?
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An uncommon Medallion of Thoughts lets you cast detect thoughts up to three times a day, while a rare Potion of Mind Reading is a one-use item.
Are there any mechanical advantages to using the more expensive potion over the cheaper medallion?
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@QPaul this answer to another question might be useful reading for you. (Essentially, 5e's categorisation of the rarity of items is at best very loosely related to how useful/powerful those items are). This question and its answer might also help.
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Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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@NautArch I think you might have neutered the question slightly too much. I've made an edit myself which I think is closer to the OP's intent but remains sensibly stackable.
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An uncommon Medallion of Thoughts lets you cast detect thoughts up to three times a day, while a rare Potion of Mind Reading is a one-use item.
Are there any mechanical advantages to using the more expensive potion over the cheaper medallion?
dnd-5e magic-items
edited 3 hours ago
V2Blast
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asked 9 hours ago
Q PaulQ Paul
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An uncommon Medallion of Thoughts lets you cast detect thoughts up to three times a day, while a rare Potion of Mind Reading is a one-use item.
Are there any mechanical advantages to using the more expensive potion over the cheaper medallion?
dnd-5e magic-items
dnd-5e magic-items
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@QPaul this answer to another question might be useful reading for you. (Essentially, 5e's categorisation of the rarity of items is at best very loosely related to how useful/powerful those items are). This question and its answer might also help.
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– Carcer
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Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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@NautArch I think you might have neutered the question slightly too much. I've made an edit myself which I think is closer to the OP's intent but remains sensibly stackable.
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@QPaul this answer to another question might be useful reading for you. (Essentially, 5e's categorisation of the rarity of items is at best very loosely related to how useful/powerful those items are). This question and its answer might also help.
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– Carcer
9 hours ago
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Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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– Q Paul
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@NautArch I think you might have neutered the question slightly too much. I've made an edit myself which I think is closer to the OP's intent but remains sensibly stackable.
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– Carcer
8 hours ago
2
2
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@QPaul this answer to another question might be useful reading for you. (Essentially, 5e's categorisation of the rarity of items is at best very loosely related to how useful/powerful those items are). This question and its answer might also help.
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– Carcer
9 hours ago
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@QPaul this answer to another question might be useful reading for you. (Essentially, 5e's categorisation of the rarity of items is at best very loosely related to how useful/powerful those items are). This question and its answer might also help.
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– Carcer
9 hours ago
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Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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– Q Paul
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2
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@NautArch I think you might have neutered the question slightly too much. I've made an edit myself which I think is closer to the OP's intent but remains sensibly stackable.
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– Carcer
8 hours ago
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@NautArch I think you might have neutered the question slightly too much. I've made an edit myself which I think is closer to the OP's intent but remains sensibly stackable.
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There are two components: Attunement and Concentration.
Attunement is obvious. You have 3 attunement slots to share between all the magic items you may own. The Medallion of Thoughts uses one of those--a potion does not.
The other component is Concentration
The Medallion of Thoughts allows you to cast the spell Detect Thoughts.
While wearing it, you can use an action and expend 1 charge to cast the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13) from it
According to the DMG:
Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item, often by expending charges from it. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn’t expend any of the user’s spell slots, and requires no components unless the item’s description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration.
However, the Potion of Mind Reading simply causes you to gain the effects of the Detect Thoughts spell without actually casting it.
When you drink this potion, you gain the effect of the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13).
As a result, the Potion does not require Concentration in order to use. If you're using the Medallion of Thoughts, then you have to use your Concentration to maintain the spell--so you can't have any other Concentration spells running at the same time. If you use the Potion, then it doesn't consume your Concentration and you may use another spell alongside it.
The ability to effectively stack Concentration spells is potentially quite powerful. This particular one allows you to do things like stacking Calm Emotions and Detect Thoughts to get someone to chill out enough that you can read their mind. Or Bane along with Detect Thoughts to reduce their chance of making the Save. Or Infernal Calling/Summon Demon with Detect Thoughts to allow you to call up a demon and interrogate it by mind-ripping it. Even at the most basic...it makes Detect Thoughts potentially viable in combat...letting you read the mind of the Wizard you're fighting so you can anticipate the spells he's about to cast--while not interfering with your ability to fight effectively.
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Also, potions are Minor, according to the breakdown in Xanathar's. I strongly suspect that the amulet is Major. I'm not sure what effect that has, but I believe that is has one.
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The Medallion of Thoughts requires attunement. A Potion of Mind Reading doesn't (potions never do, as far as I have found).
While we can't know for sure if this is a factor, items that do not require attunement are more immediately "useful" in the sense that they can just be picked up by anybody and used straight away. Conversely, an item that requires attunement has a built-in limitation - a character must attune it first which takes time, only that character can then use it and you can only have three attuned items.
Despite the weak correlation between rarity and "power", attunement requirement certainly has a role in both aspects.
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Item rarity and power are very weakly correlated.
The potion does not require attunement or concentration, which is nice, but it is still a single use item.
The advantages are negligible compared to this one, huge drawback.
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There are two components: Attunement and Concentration.
Attunement is obvious. You have 3 attunement slots to share between all the magic items you may own. The Medallion of Thoughts uses one of those--a potion does not.
The other component is Concentration
The Medallion of Thoughts allows you to cast the spell Detect Thoughts.
While wearing it, you can use an action and expend 1 charge to cast the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13) from it
According to the DMG:
Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item, often by expending charges from it. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn’t expend any of the user’s spell slots, and requires no components unless the item’s description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration.
However, the Potion of Mind Reading simply causes you to gain the effects of the Detect Thoughts spell without actually casting it.
When you drink this potion, you gain the effect of the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13).
As a result, the Potion does not require Concentration in order to use. If you're using the Medallion of Thoughts, then you have to use your Concentration to maintain the spell--so you can't have any other Concentration spells running at the same time. If you use the Potion, then it doesn't consume your Concentration and you may use another spell alongside it.
The ability to effectively stack Concentration spells is potentially quite powerful. This particular one allows you to do things like stacking Calm Emotions and Detect Thoughts to get someone to chill out enough that you can read their mind. Or Bane along with Detect Thoughts to reduce their chance of making the Save. Or Infernal Calling/Summon Demon with Detect Thoughts to allow you to call up a demon and interrogate it by mind-ripping it. Even at the most basic...it makes Detect Thoughts potentially viable in combat...letting you read the mind of the Wizard you're fighting so you can anticipate the spells he's about to cast--while not interfering with your ability to fight effectively.
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Also, potions are Minor, according to the breakdown in Xanathar's. I strongly suspect that the amulet is Major. I'm not sure what effect that has, but I believe that is has one.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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There are two components: Attunement and Concentration.
Attunement is obvious. You have 3 attunement slots to share between all the magic items you may own. The Medallion of Thoughts uses one of those--a potion does not.
The other component is Concentration
The Medallion of Thoughts allows you to cast the spell Detect Thoughts.
While wearing it, you can use an action and expend 1 charge to cast the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13) from it
According to the DMG:
Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item, often by expending charges from it. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn’t expend any of the user’s spell slots, and requires no components unless the item’s description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration.
However, the Potion of Mind Reading simply causes you to gain the effects of the Detect Thoughts spell without actually casting it.
When you drink this potion, you gain the effect of the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13).
As a result, the Potion does not require Concentration in order to use. If you're using the Medallion of Thoughts, then you have to use your Concentration to maintain the spell--so you can't have any other Concentration spells running at the same time. If you use the Potion, then it doesn't consume your Concentration and you may use another spell alongside it.
The ability to effectively stack Concentration spells is potentially quite powerful. This particular one allows you to do things like stacking Calm Emotions and Detect Thoughts to get someone to chill out enough that you can read their mind. Or Bane along with Detect Thoughts to reduce their chance of making the Save. Or Infernal Calling/Summon Demon with Detect Thoughts to allow you to call up a demon and interrogate it by mind-ripping it. Even at the most basic...it makes Detect Thoughts potentially viable in combat...letting you read the mind of the Wizard you're fighting so you can anticipate the spells he's about to cast--while not interfering with your ability to fight effectively.
edited 3 hours ago
divibisan
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guildsbountyguildsbounty
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Also, potions are Minor, according to the breakdown in Xanathar's. I strongly suspect that the amulet is Major. I'm not sure what effect that has, but I believe that is has one.
$endgroup$
– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There are two components: Attunement and Concentration.
Attunement is obvious. You have 3 attunement slots to share between all the magic items you may own. The Medallion of Thoughts uses one of those--a potion does not.
The other component is Concentration
The Medallion of Thoughts allows you to cast the spell Detect Thoughts.
While wearing it, you can use an action and expend 1 charge to cast the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13) from it
According to the DMG:
Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item, often by expending charges from it. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn’t expend any of the user’s spell slots, and requires no components unless the item’s description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration.
However, the Potion of Mind Reading simply causes you to gain the effects of the Detect Thoughts spell without actually casting it.
When you drink this potion, you gain the effect of the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13).
As a result, the Potion does not require Concentration in order to use. If you're using the Medallion of Thoughts, then you have to use your Concentration to maintain the spell--so you can't have any other Concentration spells running at the same time. If you use the Potion, then it doesn't consume your Concentration and you may use another spell alongside it.
The ability to effectively stack Concentration spells is potentially quite powerful. This particular one allows you to do things like stacking Calm Emotions and Detect Thoughts to get someone to chill out enough that you can read their mind. Or Bane along with Detect Thoughts to reduce their chance of making the Save. Or Infernal Calling/Summon Demon with Detect Thoughts to allow you to call up a demon and interrogate it by mind-ripping it. Even at the most basic...it makes Detect Thoughts potentially viable in combat...letting you read the mind of the Wizard you're fighting so you can anticipate the spells he's about to cast--while not interfering with your ability to fight effectively.
edited 3 hours ago
divibisan
2,837726
answered 8 hours ago
guildsbountyguildsbounty
38.4k7157190
$endgroup$
There are two components: Attunement and Concentration.
Attunement is obvious. You have 3 attunement slots to share between all the magic items you may own. The Medallion of Thoughts uses one of those--a potion does not.
The other component is Concentration
The Medallion of Thoughts allows you to cast the spell Detect Thoughts.
While wearing it, you can use an action and expend 1 charge to cast the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13) from it
According to the DMG:
Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item, often by expending charges from it. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn’t expend any of the user’s spell slots, and requires no components unless the item’s description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration.
However, the Potion of Mind Reading simply causes you to gain the effects of the Detect Thoughts spell without actually casting it.
When you drink this potion, you gain the effect of the detect thoughts spell (save DC 13).
As a result, the Potion does not require Concentration in order to use. If you're using the Medallion of Thoughts, then you have to use your Concentration to maintain the spell--so you can't have any other Concentration spells running at the same time. If you use the Potion, then it doesn't consume your Concentration and you may use another spell alongside it.
The ability to effectively stack Concentration spells is potentially quite powerful. This particular one allows you to do things like stacking Calm Emotions and Detect Thoughts to get someone to chill out enough that you can read their mind. Or Bane along with Detect Thoughts to reduce their chance of making the Save. Or Infernal Calling/Summon Demon with Detect Thoughts to allow you to call up a demon and interrogate it by mind-ripping it. Even at the most basic...it makes Detect Thoughts potentially viable in combat...letting you read the mind of the Wizard you're fighting so you can anticipate the spells he's about to cast--while not interfering with your ability to fight effectively.
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Also, potions are Minor, according to the breakdown in Xanathar's. I strongly suspect that the amulet is Major. I'm not sure what effect that has, but I believe that is has one.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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Also, potions are Minor, according to the breakdown in Xanathar's. I strongly suspect that the amulet is Major. I'm not sure what effect that has, but I believe that is has one.
$endgroup$
– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Also, potions are Minor, according to the breakdown in Xanathar's. I strongly suspect that the amulet is Major. I'm not sure what effect that has, but I believe that is has one.
$endgroup$
– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Also, potions are Minor, according to the breakdown in Xanathar's. I strongly suspect that the amulet is Major. I'm not sure what effect that has, but I believe that is has one.
$endgroup$
– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The Medallion of Thoughts requires attunement. A Potion of Mind Reading doesn't (potions never do, as far as I have found).
While we can't know for sure if this is a factor, items that do not require attunement are more immediately "useful" in the sense that they can just be picked up by anybody and used straight away. Conversely, an item that requires attunement has a built-in limitation - a character must attune it first which takes time, only that character can then use it and you can only have three attuned items.
Despite the weak correlation between rarity and "power", attunement requirement certainly has a role in both aspects.
answered 9 hours ago
PJRZPJRZ
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$begingroup$
The Medallion of Thoughts requires attunement. A Potion of Mind Reading doesn't (potions never do, as far as I have found).
While we can't know for sure if this is a factor, items that do not require attunement are more immediately "useful" in the sense that they can just be picked up by anybody and used straight away. Conversely, an item that requires attunement has a built-in limitation - a character must attune it first which takes time, only that character can then use it and you can only have three attuned items.
Despite the weak correlation between rarity and "power", attunement requirement certainly has a role in both aspects.
answered 9 hours ago
PJRZPJRZ
13.7k14163
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The Medallion of Thoughts requires attunement. A Potion of Mind Reading doesn't (potions never do, as far as I have found).
While we can't know for sure if this is a factor, items that do not require attunement are more immediately "useful" in the sense that they can just be picked up by anybody and used straight away. Conversely, an item that requires attunement has a built-in limitation - a character must attune it first which takes time, only that character can then use it and you can only have three attuned items.
Despite the weak correlation between rarity and "power", attunement requirement certainly has a role in both aspects.
answered 9 hours ago
PJRZPJRZ
13.7k14163
$endgroup$
The Medallion of Thoughts requires attunement. A Potion of Mind Reading doesn't (potions never do, as far as I have found).
While we can't know for sure if this is a factor, items that do not require attunement are more immediately "useful" in the sense that they can just be picked up by anybody and used straight away. Conversely, an item that requires attunement has a built-in limitation - a character must attune it first which takes time, only that character can then use it and you can only have three attuned items.
Despite the weak correlation between rarity and "power", attunement requirement certainly has a role in both aspects.
answered 9 hours ago
PJRZPJRZ
13.7k14163
answered 9 hours ago
PJRZPJRZ
13.7k14163
answered 9 hours ago
PJRZPJRZ
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answered 9 hours ago
PJRZPJRZ
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Item rarity and power are very weakly correlated.
The potion does not require attunement or concentration, which is nice, but it is still a single use item.
The advantages are negligible compared to this one, huge drawback.
edited 3 hours ago
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AndrásAndrás
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Item rarity and power are very weakly correlated.
The potion does not require attunement or concentration, which is nice, but it is still a single use item.
The advantages are negligible compared to this one, huge drawback.
edited 3 hours ago
V2Blast
29.5k5106178
answered 3 hours ago
AndrásAndrás
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$endgroup$
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$begingroup$
Item rarity and power are very weakly correlated.
The potion does not require attunement or concentration, which is nice, but it is still a single use item.
The advantages are negligible compared to this one, huge drawback.
edited 3 hours ago
V2Blast
29.5k5106178
answered 3 hours ago
AndrásAndrás
30.3k17114214
$endgroup$
Item rarity and power are very weakly correlated.
The potion does not require attunement or concentration, which is nice, but it is still a single use item.
The advantages are negligible compared to this one, huge drawback.
edited 3 hours ago
V2Blast
29.5k5106178
answered 3 hours ago
AndrásAndrás
30.3k17114214
edited 3 hours ago
V2Blast
29.5k5106178
edited 3 hours ago
V2Blast
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V2Blast
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@QPaul this answer to another question might be useful reading for you. (Essentially, 5e's categorisation of the rarity of items is at best very loosely related to how useful/powerful those items are). This question and its answer might also help.
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– Carcer
9 hours ago
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Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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– Q Paul
9 hours ago
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@NautArch I think you might have neutered the question slightly too much. I've made an edit myself which I think is closer to the OP's intent but remains sensibly stackable.
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– Carcer
8 hours ago