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I'm in my first software development job and have been only working at my company for a year. I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have. I find knowing when to quit is hard for people in their first-time jobs. The issue with this job is I find the people all right but the cons are starting to cause me a lot of issues. I have listed below some vague issues and was wondering if in the software industry are these common issues?



  • Only one working on a project

  • Long working hours

  • Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay

  • Small dev team

  • The owner doesn't understand tech well (expect things to take no time at all which are complex and doesn't understand why with a small dev tight deadlines will cause extra bugs to appear).

  • Owners expect us to fix any minor issue within a day of them appearing including on weekends

  • They message me with work to do when I am on holiday

  • I don't agree with most of the things we prioritize, because of issues that happened in the past

  • We don't follow industry standards which is making me worry everything I am doing won't help me with finding a new job.









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  • Most of the items in your list seem normal. You may well see some or all of these in your next job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    8 hours ago












  • @JoeStrazzere how do u have a good work-life balance? I don't want to worry about getting fired because i am not wanting to do certain things like work lots of overtime

    – jessy
    8 hours ago






  • 3





    I balance the needs of my workplace and the needs of my family. If you don't want to work lots of overtime, and the position appears to require it, then you need to find a new job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    7 hours ago











  • As a Team Lead, if my team is routinely working outside of normal work hours to get our projects done, I'm doing something wrong. You shouldn't be expected to work on weekends and holidays. That's why it's important to spread knowledge across the team.

    – jcmack
    7 hours ago











  • I don't know that being "on-call" on the weekends or on vacations/holidays is standard operating procedure for most companies. Working long hours and occasionally from home is a part of being salaried, but I wouldn't say its normal to be asked to monitor and address issues on the weekend without some sort of on-call role.

    – Steve-o169
    6 hours ago

















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I'm in my first software development job and have been only working at my company for a year. I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have. I find knowing when to quit is hard for people in their first-time jobs. The issue with this job is I find the people all right but the cons are starting to cause me a lot of issues. I have listed below some vague issues and was wondering if in the software industry are these common issues?



  • Only one working on a project

  • Long working hours

  • Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay

  • Small dev team

  • The owner doesn't understand tech well (expect things to take no time at all which are complex and doesn't understand why with a small dev tight deadlines will cause extra bugs to appear).

  • Owners expect us to fix any minor issue within a day of them appearing including on weekends

  • They message me with work to do when I am on holiday

  • I don't agree with most of the things we prioritize, because of issues that happened in the past

  • We don't follow industry standards which is making me worry everything I am doing won't help me with finding a new job.









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  • Most of the items in your list seem normal. You may well see some or all of these in your next job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    8 hours ago












  • @JoeStrazzere how do u have a good work-life balance? I don't want to worry about getting fired because i am not wanting to do certain things like work lots of overtime

    – jessy
    8 hours ago






  • 3





    I balance the needs of my workplace and the needs of my family. If you don't want to work lots of overtime, and the position appears to require it, then you need to find a new job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    7 hours ago











  • As a Team Lead, if my team is routinely working outside of normal work hours to get our projects done, I'm doing something wrong. You shouldn't be expected to work on weekends and holidays. That's why it's important to spread knowledge across the team.

    – jcmack
    7 hours ago











  • I don't know that being "on-call" on the weekends or on vacations/holidays is standard operating procedure for most companies. Working long hours and occasionally from home is a part of being salaried, but I wouldn't say its normal to be asked to monitor and address issues on the weekend without some sort of on-call role.

    – Steve-o169
    6 hours ago













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I'm in my first software development job and have been only working at my company for a year. I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have. I find knowing when to quit is hard for people in their first-time jobs. The issue with this job is I find the people all right but the cons are starting to cause me a lot of issues. I have listed below some vague issues and was wondering if in the software industry are these common issues?



  • Only one working on a project

  • Long working hours

  • Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay

  • Small dev team

  • The owner doesn't understand tech well (expect things to take no time at all which are complex and doesn't understand why with a small dev tight deadlines will cause extra bugs to appear).

  • Owners expect us to fix any minor issue within a day of them appearing including on weekends

  • They message me with work to do when I am on holiday

  • I don't agree with most of the things we prioritize, because of issues that happened in the past

  • We don't follow industry standards which is making me worry everything I am doing won't help me with finding a new job.









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I'm in my first software development job and have been only working at my company for a year. I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have. I find knowing when to quit is hard for people in their first-time jobs. The issue with this job is I find the people all right but the cons are starting to cause me a lot of issues. I have listed below some vague issues and was wondering if in the software industry are these common issues?



  • Only one working on a project

  • Long working hours

  • Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay

  • Small dev team

  • The owner doesn't understand tech well (expect things to take no time at all which are complex and doesn't understand why with a small dev tight deadlines will cause extra bugs to appear).

  • Owners expect us to fix any minor issue within a day of them appearing including on weekends

  • They message me with work to do when I am on holiday

  • I don't agree with most of the things we prioritize, because of issues that happened in the past

  • We don't follow industry standards which is making me worry everything I am doing won't help me with finding a new job.






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  • Most of the items in your list seem normal. You may well see some or all of these in your next job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    8 hours ago












  • @JoeStrazzere how do u have a good work-life balance? I don't want to worry about getting fired because i am not wanting to do certain things like work lots of overtime

    – jessy
    8 hours ago






  • 3





    I balance the needs of my workplace and the needs of my family. If you don't want to work lots of overtime, and the position appears to require it, then you need to find a new job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    7 hours ago











  • As a Team Lead, if my team is routinely working outside of normal work hours to get our projects done, I'm doing something wrong. You shouldn't be expected to work on weekends and holidays. That's why it's important to spread knowledge across the team.

    – jcmack
    7 hours ago











  • I don't know that being "on-call" on the weekends or on vacations/holidays is standard operating procedure for most companies. Working long hours and occasionally from home is a part of being salaried, but I wouldn't say its normal to be asked to monitor and address issues on the weekend without some sort of on-call role.

    – Steve-o169
    6 hours ago

















  • Most of the items in your list seem normal. You may well see some or all of these in your next job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    8 hours ago












  • @JoeStrazzere how do u have a good work-life balance? I don't want to worry about getting fired because i am not wanting to do certain things like work lots of overtime

    – jessy
    8 hours ago






  • 3





    I balance the needs of my workplace and the needs of my family. If you don't want to work lots of overtime, and the position appears to require it, then you need to find a new job.

    – Joe Strazzere
    7 hours ago











  • As a Team Lead, if my team is routinely working outside of normal work hours to get our projects done, I'm doing something wrong. You shouldn't be expected to work on weekends and holidays. That's why it's important to spread knowledge across the team.

    – jcmack
    7 hours ago











  • I don't know that being "on-call" on the weekends or on vacations/holidays is standard operating procedure for most companies. Working long hours and occasionally from home is a part of being salaried, but I wouldn't say its normal to be asked to monitor and address issues on the weekend without some sort of on-call role.

    – Steve-o169
    6 hours ago
















Most of the items in your list seem normal. You may well see some or all of these in your next job.

– Joe Strazzere
8 hours ago






Most of the items in your list seem normal. You may well see some or all of these in your next job.

– Joe Strazzere
8 hours ago














@JoeStrazzere how do u have a good work-life balance? I don't want to worry about getting fired because i am not wanting to do certain things like work lots of overtime

– jessy
8 hours ago





@JoeStrazzere how do u have a good work-life balance? I don't want to worry about getting fired because i am not wanting to do certain things like work lots of overtime

– jessy
8 hours ago




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I balance the needs of my workplace and the needs of my family. If you don't want to work lots of overtime, and the position appears to require it, then you need to find a new job.

– Joe Strazzere
7 hours ago





I balance the needs of my workplace and the needs of my family. If you don't want to work lots of overtime, and the position appears to require it, then you need to find a new job.

– Joe Strazzere
7 hours ago













As a Team Lead, if my team is routinely working outside of normal work hours to get our projects done, I'm doing something wrong. You shouldn't be expected to work on weekends and holidays. That's why it's important to spread knowledge across the team.

– jcmack
7 hours ago





As a Team Lead, if my team is routinely working outside of normal work hours to get our projects done, I'm doing something wrong. You shouldn't be expected to work on weekends and holidays. That's why it's important to spread knowledge across the team.

– jcmack
7 hours ago













I don't know that being "on-call" on the weekends or on vacations/holidays is standard operating procedure for most companies. Working long hours and occasionally from home is a part of being salaried, but I wouldn't say its normal to be asked to monitor and address issues on the weekend without some sort of on-call role.

– Steve-o169
6 hours ago





I don't know that being "on-call" on the weekends or on vacations/holidays is standard operating procedure for most companies. Working long hours and occasionally from home is a part of being salaried, but I wouldn't say its normal to be asked to monitor and address issues on the weekend without some sort of on-call role.

– Steve-o169
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"Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay"




This alone should be enough to decide to move on, unless you like working for free. The primary reason that you are likely working is to make money. If you aren't getting paid for work you are doing ( or not getting paid enough ) you should look for a new place to work.



The other cons you listed can certainly be factored in, you just have to determine if the pros of the job ( if there are any ) outweigh them. That is something you would have to determine on your own.






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    I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have.




    There's nothing wrong with always looking for new opportunities and comparing them to your current job. Browsing LinkedIn job listings, reaching out to recruiters, or submitting applications are all perfectly okay to do when you're satisfied with your current role.




    Staying in touch with recruiters and occasionally testing the job market will give you some signals that may help you make a decision about leaving your current role:




    • A recruiter may reach out about a role more senior than your current role: It might be time to ask for a promotion.


    • A job listing for a role similar to yours may offer better compensation or benefits: It might be time to ask for a raise.


    • A job opportunity might allow for better balance with your personal life (e.g., flexible hours, work from home): It might be time to ask for the same flexibility from your current manager.

    If you can't get similar promotions/raises/benefits/flexibility through a discussion with your manager, it might be time to search for a better opportunity.



    There are many other signals you might get from keeping yourself in the job market. All could also be signs that it's time to start a more involved job search with the aim of leaving your current role.






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      I am wondering how people know when to find another job




      When you no longer like the work, the pay, the management, the company, etc.



      Only you can decide this for yourself. There's no "universal" checklist.






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        It has to come to the point you are decided to leave regardless of what they offer to you. When you wake in the morning thinking why I am still doing this. When you feel dissatisfied, not appreciated and have little contribution - even you think you could do so much more but they do not care.



        It is not about the money anymore, it is not about the position. You have lost your hope and faith for the things to improve.



        Even they they say things will get better you have lost the trust.



        This is the time you start looking.






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          This alone should be enough to decide to move on, unless you like working for free. The primary reason that you are likely working is to make money. If you aren't getting paid for work you are doing ( or not getting paid enough ) you should look for a new place to work.



          The other cons you listed can certainly be factored in, you just have to determine if the pros of the job ( if there are any ) outweigh them. That is something you would have to determine on your own.






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            "Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay"




            This alone should be enough to decide to move on, unless you like working for free. The primary reason that you are likely working is to make money. If you aren't getting paid for work you are doing ( or not getting paid enough ) you should look for a new place to work.



            The other cons you listed can certainly be factored in, you just have to determine if the pros of the job ( if there are any ) outweigh them. That is something you would have to determine on your own.






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              "Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay"




              This alone should be enough to decide to move on, unless you like working for free. The primary reason that you are likely working is to make money. If you aren't getting paid for work you are doing ( or not getting paid enough ) you should look for a new place to work.



              The other cons you listed can certainly be factored in, you just have to determine if the pros of the job ( if there are any ) outweigh them. That is something you would have to determine on your own.






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              "Have to do work outside of the workplace with no pay"




              This alone should be enough to decide to move on, unless you like working for free. The primary reason that you are likely working is to make money. If you aren't getting paid for work you are doing ( or not getting paid enough ) you should look for a new place to work.



              The other cons you listed can certainly be factored in, you just have to determine if the pros of the job ( if there are any ) outweigh them. That is something you would have to determine on your own.







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                  I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have.




                  There's nothing wrong with always looking for new opportunities and comparing them to your current job. Browsing LinkedIn job listings, reaching out to recruiters, or submitting applications are all perfectly okay to do when you're satisfied with your current role.




                  Staying in touch with recruiters and occasionally testing the job market will give you some signals that may help you make a decision about leaving your current role:




                  • A recruiter may reach out about a role more senior than your current role: It might be time to ask for a promotion.


                  • A job listing for a role similar to yours may offer better compensation or benefits: It might be time to ask for a raise.


                  • A job opportunity might allow for better balance with your personal life (e.g., flexible hours, work from home): It might be time to ask for the same flexibility from your current manager.

                  If you can't get similar promotions/raises/benefits/flexibility through a discussion with your manager, it might be time to search for a better opportunity.



                  There are many other signals you might get from keeping yourself in the job market. All could also be signs that it's time to start a more involved job search with the aim of leaving your current role.






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                    I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have.




                    There's nothing wrong with always looking for new opportunities and comparing them to your current job. Browsing LinkedIn job listings, reaching out to recruiters, or submitting applications are all perfectly okay to do when you're satisfied with your current role.




                    Staying in touch with recruiters and occasionally testing the job market will give you some signals that may help you make a decision about leaving your current role:




                    • A recruiter may reach out about a role more senior than your current role: It might be time to ask for a promotion.


                    • A job listing for a role similar to yours may offer better compensation or benefits: It might be time to ask for a raise.


                    • A job opportunity might allow for better balance with your personal life (e.g., flexible hours, work from home): It might be time to ask for the same flexibility from your current manager.

                    If you can't get similar promotions/raises/benefits/flexibility through a discussion with your manager, it might be time to search for a better opportunity.



                    There are many other signals you might get from keeping yourself in the job market. All could also be signs that it's time to start a more involved job search with the aim of leaving your current role.






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                      I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have.




                      There's nothing wrong with always looking for new opportunities and comparing them to your current job. Browsing LinkedIn job listings, reaching out to recruiters, or submitting applications are all perfectly okay to do when you're satisfied with your current role.




                      Staying in touch with recruiters and occasionally testing the job market will give you some signals that may help you make a decision about leaving your current role:




                      • A recruiter may reach out about a role more senior than your current role: It might be time to ask for a promotion.


                      • A job listing for a role similar to yours may offer better compensation or benefits: It might be time to ask for a raise.


                      • A job opportunity might allow for better balance with your personal life (e.g., flexible hours, work from home): It might be time to ask for the same flexibility from your current manager.

                      If you can't get similar promotions/raises/benefits/flexibility through a discussion with your manager, it might be time to search for a better opportunity.



                      There are many other signals you might get from keeping yourself in the job market. All could also be signs that it's time to start a more involved job search with the aim of leaving your current role.






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                      I am wondering how people know when to find another job and when to stick at the job they have.




                      There's nothing wrong with always looking for new opportunities and comparing them to your current job. Browsing LinkedIn job listings, reaching out to recruiters, or submitting applications are all perfectly okay to do when you're satisfied with your current role.




                      Staying in touch with recruiters and occasionally testing the job market will give you some signals that may help you make a decision about leaving your current role:




                      • A recruiter may reach out about a role more senior than your current role: It might be time to ask for a promotion.


                      • A job listing for a role similar to yours may offer better compensation or benefits: It might be time to ask for a raise.


                      • A job opportunity might allow for better balance with your personal life (e.g., flexible hours, work from home): It might be time to ask for the same flexibility from your current manager.

                      If you can't get similar promotions/raises/benefits/flexibility through a discussion with your manager, it might be time to search for a better opportunity.



                      There are many other signals you might get from keeping yourself in the job market. All could also be signs that it's time to start a more involved job search with the aim of leaving your current role.







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                          I am wondering how people know when to find another job




                          When you no longer like the work, the pay, the management, the company, etc.



                          Only you can decide this for yourself. There's no "universal" checklist.






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                            I am wondering how people know when to find another job




                            When you no longer like the work, the pay, the management, the company, etc.



                            Only you can decide this for yourself. There's no "universal" checklist.






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                              I am wondering how people know when to find another job




                              When you no longer like the work, the pay, the management, the company, etc.



                              Only you can decide this for yourself. There's no "universal" checklist.






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                              I am wondering how people know when to find another job




                              When you no longer like the work, the pay, the management, the company, etc.



                              Only you can decide this for yourself. There's no "universal" checklist.







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                                  It has to come to the point you are decided to leave regardless of what they offer to you. When you wake in the morning thinking why I am still doing this. When you feel dissatisfied, not appreciated and have little contribution - even you think you could do so much more but they do not care.



                                  It is not about the money anymore, it is not about the position. You have lost your hope and faith for the things to improve.



                                  Even they they say things will get better you have lost the trust.



                                  This is the time you start looking.






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                                    It has to come to the point you are decided to leave regardless of what they offer to you. When you wake in the morning thinking why I am still doing this. When you feel dissatisfied, not appreciated and have little contribution - even you think you could do so much more but they do not care.



                                    It is not about the money anymore, it is not about the position. You have lost your hope and faith for the things to improve.



                                    Even they they say things will get better you have lost the trust.



                                    This is the time you start looking.






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                                      It has to come to the point you are decided to leave regardless of what they offer to you. When you wake in the morning thinking why I am still doing this. When you feel dissatisfied, not appreciated and have little contribution - even you think you could do so much more but they do not care.



                                      It is not about the money anymore, it is not about the position. You have lost your hope and faith for the things to improve.



                                      Even they they say things will get better you have lost the trust.



                                      This is the time you start looking.






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                                      It has to come to the point you are decided to leave regardless of what they offer to you. When you wake in the morning thinking why I am still doing this. When you feel dissatisfied, not appreciated and have little contribution - even you think you could do so much more but they do not care.



                                      It is not about the money anymore, it is not about the position. You have lost your hope and faith for the things to improve.



                                      Even they they say things will get better you have lost the trust.



                                      This is the time you start looking.







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