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Failing by 5 or more means having a saving throw roll that is a number 5 below the normal DC or less. This does nothing in general but certain abilities care about how much you failed your save by. For example, the pseudodragon's sting (emphasis mine):




(..) and the target must succeed on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw or become poisoned for 1 hour. If the saving throw fails by 5 or more, the target falls unconscious for the same duration, or until it takes damage or another creature uses an action to shake it awake.




In this case, if a creature hit by the Sting rolls a Constitution saving throw. Then, after applying all modifiers to the save, if the saving throw value is...



  • 11 or more: nothing else happens

  • between 7 and 10: the target is poisoned

  • 6 or less: the target is poisoned and falls unconscious





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    Your understanding is correct. There is no keyword or special meaning at work here (and when something isn't defined by the game, standard English is applied to understand it), to fail a DC by 5 or more simply means that you roll a result 5 (or more) below the DC.



    Example: The DC is 15. I roll an 10. 15-10 = 5, I have failed by 5 or more.



    Another: DC is 15. I roll 11. 15-11 = 4, I have failed, but not by 5 or more.



    Note the "roll" in those examples would be to total after adding modifiers, so if I have +3 on the roll, the first example I would have rolled a 7 (7+3=10).






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      Failing by 5 or more means having a saving throw roll that is a number 5 below the normal DC or less. This does nothing in general but certain abilities care about how much you failed your save by. For example, the pseudodragon's sting (emphasis mine):




      (..) and the target must succeed on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw or become poisoned for 1 hour. If the saving throw fails by 5 or more, the target falls unconscious for the same duration, or until it takes damage or another creature uses an action to shake it awake.




      In this case, if a creature hit by the Sting rolls a Constitution saving throw. Then, after applying all modifiers to the save, if the saving throw value is...



      • 11 or more: nothing else happens

      • between 7 and 10: the target is poisoned

      • 6 or less: the target is poisoned and falls unconscious





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        Failing by 5 or more means having a saving throw roll that is a number 5 below the normal DC or less. This does nothing in general but certain abilities care about how much you failed your save by. For example, the pseudodragon's sting (emphasis mine):




        (..) and the target must succeed on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw or become poisoned for 1 hour. If the saving throw fails by 5 or more, the target falls unconscious for the same duration, or until it takes damage or another creature uses an action to shake it awake.




        In this case, if a creature hit by the Sting rolls a Constitution saving throw. Then, after applying all modifiers to the save, if the saving throw value is...



        • 11 or more: nothing else happens

        • between 7 and 10: the target is poisoned

        • 6 or less: the target is poisoned and falls unconscious





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          Failing by 5 or more means having a saving throw roll that is a number 5 below the normal DC or less. This does nothing in general but certain abilities care about how much you failed your save by. For example, the pseudodragon's sting (emphasis mine):




          (..) and the target must succeed on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw or become poisoned for 1 hour. If the saving throw fails by 5 or more, the target falls unconscious for the same duration, or until it takes damage or another creature uses an action to shake it awake.




          In this case, if a creature hit by the Sting rolls a Constitution saving throw. Then, after applying all modifiers to the save, if the saving throw value is...



          • 11 or more: nothing else happens

          • between 7 and 10: the target is poisoned

          • 6 or less: the target is poisoned and falls unconscious





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          Failing by 5 or more means having a saving throw roll that is a number 5 below the normal DC or less. This does nothing in general but certain abilities care about how much you failed your save by. For example, the pseudodragon's sting (emphasis mine):




          (..) and the target must succeed on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw or become poisoned for 1 hour. If the saving throw fails by 5 or more, the target falls unconscious for the same duration, or until it takes damage or another creature uses an action to shake it awake.




          In this case, if a creature hit by the Sting rolls a Constitution saving throw. Then, after applying all modifiers to the save, if the saving throw value is...



          • 11 or more: nothing else happens

          • between 7 and 10: the target is poisoned

          • 6 or less: the target is poisoned and falls unconscious






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              Your understanding is correct. There is no keyword or special meaning at work here (and when something isn't defined by the game, standard English is applied to understand it), to fail a DC by 5 or more simply means that you roll a result 5 (or more) below the DC.



              Example: The DC is 15. I roll an 10. 15-10 = 5, I have failed by 5 or more.



              Another: DC is 15. I roll 11. 15-11 = 4, I have failed, but not by 5 or more.



              Note the "roll" in those examples would be to total after adding modifiers, so if I have +3 on the roll, the first example I would have rolled a 7 (7+3=10).






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                Your understanding is correct. There is no keyword or special meaning at work here (and when something isn't defined by the game, standard English is applied to understand it), to fail a DC by 5 or more simply means that you roll a result 5 (or more) below the DC.



                Example: The DC is 15. I roll an 10. 15-10 = 5, I have failed by 5 or more.



                Another: DC is 15. I roll 11. 15-11 = 4, I have failed, but not by 5 or more.



                Note the "roll" in those examples would be to total after adding modifiers, so if I have +3 on the roll, the first example I would have rolled a 7 (7+3=10).






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                  Your understanding is correct. There is no keyword or special meaning at work here (and when something isn't defined by the game, standard English is applied to understand it), to fail a DC by 5 or more simply means that you roll a result 5 (or more) below the DC.



                  Example: The DC is 15. I roll an 10. 15-10 = 5, I have failed by 5 or more.



                  Another: DC is 15. I roll 11. 15-11 = 4, I have failed, but not by 5 or more.



                  Note the "roll" in those examples would be to total after adding modifiers, so if I have +3 on the roll, the first example I would have rolled a 7 (7+3=10).






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                  Your understanding is correct. There is no keyword or special meaning at work here (and when something isn't defined by the game, standard English is applied to understand it), to fail a DC by 5 or more simply means that you roll a result 5 (or more) below the DC.



                  Example: The DC is 15. I roll an 10. 15-10 = 5, I have failed by 5 or more.



                  Another: DC is 15. I roll 11. 15-11 = 4, I have failed, but not by 5 or more.



                  Note the "roll" in those examples would be to total after adding modifiers, so if I have +3 on the roll, the first example I would have rolled a 7 (7+3=10).







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