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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions



My answer for this question is,



A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)



B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
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there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.



Please tell me which one is the right answer.










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    You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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    Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions



My answer for this question is,



A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)



B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.



Please tell me which one is the right answer.










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    $begingroup$
    You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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    – almagest
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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    – almagest
    9 hours ago













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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions



My answer for this question is,



A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)



B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.



Please tell me which one is the right answer.










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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions



My answer for this question is,



A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)



B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.



Please tell me which one is the right answer.







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    You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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    Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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    – almagest
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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    – almagest
    9 hours ago







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$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago




$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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9 hours ago




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Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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– almagest
9 hours ago




$begingroup$
Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).



This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.



Edit:



Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.



  1. First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
    balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°).

  2. Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
    we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°.

  3. Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
    container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°.

  4. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
    °°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.


  5. Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.


In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?






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    but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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    Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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    Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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    That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$




To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.



From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:



How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?



Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:



  • Group $1$: $2$ balls.

  • Group $2$: $0$ balls.

  • Group $3$: $3$ balls.

Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$




Now, for the general case:



We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.






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    Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?






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      (12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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      @SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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    $begingroup$

    Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).



    This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.



    Edit:



    Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.



    1. First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
      balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°).

    2. Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
      we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°.

    3. Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
      container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°.

    4. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
      °°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.


    5. Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.


    In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?






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    • $begingroup$
      but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










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      Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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      – Moria
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      That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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      – AlphaDJog
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    $begingroup$

    Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).



    This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.



    Edit:



    Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.



    1. First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
      balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°).

    2. Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
      we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°.

    3. Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
      container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°.

    4. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
      °°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.


    5. Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.


    In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?






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    • $begingroup$
      but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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      – Moria
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      8 hours ago













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    $begingroup$

    Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).



    This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.



    Edit:



    Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.



    1. First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
      balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°).

    2. Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
      we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°.

    3. Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
      container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°.

    4. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
      °°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.


    5. Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.


    In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?






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    Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).



    This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.



    Edit:



    Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.



    1. First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
      balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°).

    2. Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
      we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°.

    3. Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
      container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°.

    4. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
      °°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.


    5. Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.


    In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?







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      but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










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      Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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      – Moria
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      8 hours ago
















    • $begingroup$
      but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Check my edit @SkandanVecham
      $endgroup$
      – Moria
      9 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
      $endgroup$
      – AlphaDJog
      8 hours ago















    $begingroup$
    but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
    $endgroup$
    – AlphaDJog
    9 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
    $endgroup$
    – AlphaDJog
    9 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
    $endgroup$
    – AlphaDJog
    9 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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    – AlphaDJog
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    $begingroup$
    Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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    – Moria
    9 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Check my edit @SkandanVecham
    $endgroup$
    – Moria
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    $begingroup$
    That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
    $endgroup$
    – AlphaDJog
    8 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
    $endgroup$
    – AlphaDJog
    8 hours ago













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    The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$




    To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.



    From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:



    How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?



    Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:



    • Group $1$: $2$ balls.

    • Group $2$: $0$ balls.

    • Group $3$: $3$ balls.

    Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$




    Now, for the general case:



    We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.






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      The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$




      To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.



      From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:



      How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?



      Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:



      • Group $1$: $2$ balls.

      • Group $2$: $0$ balls.

      • Group $3$: $3$ balls.

      Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$




      Now, for the general case:



      We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.






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        The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$




        To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.



        From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:



        How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?



        Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:



        • Group $1$: $2$ balls.

        • Group $2$: $0$ balls.

        • Group $3$: $3$ balls.

        Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$




        Now, for the general case:



        We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.






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        The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$




        To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.



        From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:



        How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?



        Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:



        • Group $1$: $2$ balls.

        • Group $2$: $0$ balls.

        • Group $3$: $3$ balls.

        Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$




        Now, for the general case:



        We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.







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            Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?






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              (12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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              @SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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            Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?






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              (12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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              @SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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            Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?






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            Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?







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              (12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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            • $begingroup$
              @SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
              $endgroup$
              – Mike
              8 hours ago

















            • $begingroup$
              (12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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              9 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              @SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
              $endgroup$
              – Mike
              8 hours ago
















            $begingroup$
            (12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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            (12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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            9 hours ago













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            @SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
            $endgroup$
            – Mike
            8 hours ago





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            @SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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