12 donuts split to 5 childrenWhat is the reasoning behind this combination question?Help on three combinatorics questions?!How do the answers to combinatorial problems change if instead of 4 different objects we have 4 identical ones?Combinatorics: How many ways can 10 candy bars and 8 lollipops be given to five indistinct children?Question about the number of combinations with repetitionStirling number and combination with repetitionCombinatorics Question on distribution of identical and distinct gifts.
Beyond Futuristic Technology for an Alien Warship?
How should I answer custom and border protection questions if I'm a returning citizen that hasn't been in the country for almost a decade?
Difference between "rip up" and "rip down"
How can this Stack Exchange site have an animated favicon?
Help in drawing resonance structures in case of polybasic acids
Reorder a matrix, twice
Are fuzzy sets appreciated by OR community?
How do we know neutrons have no charge?
Need Improvement on Script Which Continuously Tests Website
Is a Middle Name a Given Name?
Is it acceptable to say that a reviewer's concern is not going to be addressed because then the paper would be too long?
Convert a string of digits from words to an integer
What is the difference between an astronaut in the ISS and a freediver in perfect neutral buoyancy?
Do wheelchair-accessible aircraft exist?
How to stop the death waves in my city?
Why is STARTTLS still used?
Why weren't the Death Star plans transmitted electronically?
We are on WHV, my boyfriend was in a small collision, we are leaving in 2 weeks what happens if we don’t pay the damages?
Two side-by-side squares are inscribed in a semicircle. The diameter of the semicircle is 16. What is the sum of the two squares' areas?
Another student has been assigned the same MSc thesis as mine (and already defended)
MaxDetect speed
Whaling ship logistics
Why does the leading tone (G#) go to E rather than A in this example?
Why, even after his imprisonment, people keep calling Hannibal Lecter "Doctor"?
12 donuts split to 5 children
What is the reasoning behind this combination question?Help on three combinatorics questions?!How do the answers to combinatorial problems change if instead of 4 different objects we have 4 identical ones?Combinatorics: How many ways can 10 candy bars and 8 lollipops be given to five indistinct children?Question about the number of combinations with repetitionStirling number and combination with repetitionCombinatorics Question on distribution of identical and distinct gifts.
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
$begingroup$
Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
$endgroup$
Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
edited 7 hours ago
N. F. Taussig
49.4k10 gold badges37 silver badges60 bronze badges
49.4k10 gold badges37 silver badges60 bronze badges
asked 9 hours ago
AlphaDJogAlphaDJog
593 bronze badges
593 bronze badges
1
$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
add a comment
|
1
$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
add a comment
|
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Check my edit @SkandanVecham
$endgroup$
– Moria
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
New contributor
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
$endgroup$
– Mike
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"u003ecc by-sa 4.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3366017%2f12-donuts-split-to-5-children%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Check my edit @SkandanVecham
$endgroup$
– Moria
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Check my edit @SkandanVecham
$endgroup$
– Moria
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
$endgroup$
Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
edited 9 hours ago
answered 9 hours ago
MoriaMoria
3651 silver badge13 bronze badges
3651 silver badge13 bronze badges
$begingroup$
but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Check my edit @SkandanVecham
$endgroup$
– Moria
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Check my edit @SkandanVecham
$endgroup$
– Moria
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Check my edit @SkandanVecham
$endgroup$
– Moria
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Check my edit @SkandanVecham
$endgroup$
– Moria
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
New contributor
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
New contributor
$endgroup$
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
New contributor
$endgroup$
The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
New contributor
edited 7 hours ago
New contributor
answered 7 hours ago
guestguest
614 bronze badges
614 bronze badges
New contributor
New contributor
add a comment
|
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
$endgroup$
– Mike
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
$endgroup$
– Mike
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
$endgroup$
Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
answered 9 hours ago
MikeMike
11.7k3 gold badges17 silver badges44 bronze badges
11.7k3 gold badges17 silver badges44 bronze badges
$begingroup$
(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
$endgroup$
– Mike
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
$begingroup$
(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
$endgroup$
– Mike
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
$endgroup$
– AlphaDJog
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
$endgroup$
– Mike
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
$endgroup$
– Mike
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3366017%2f12-donuts-split-to-5-children%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
1
$begingroup$
You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
$endgroup$
– almagest
9 hours ago