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My employer wants me to do a work of 6 months in just 2 months
How can we protest a deadline that is too short?Is travelling the world from job to job a feasible career path for a software engineer?A shareholder wrote bad software, I started from scratch. How to bring the news?Boss hasn't transferred my salary yet. How to approach the situation?How should you gracefully leave a company you helped start?
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He is the leader of the startup, he owns the concept of the idea but he doesn't know how to implement it. I'm the new IT guy.
The thing is that he wants me to adapt our software that we previously build for one specific customer to a more generalized and automatic solution like a SaaS. And for what I know, that would take months of hard work and it's just me in the development of that service. This is my first work experience, I just got graduated from the university...
I know that I should say "This is going to take more that you expect." but he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case.
I need your opinion about this, I'm starting to think that I'm wrong...
EDIT: Thank you for answering, really. I needed to talk about it.
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He is the leader of the startup, he owns the concept of the idea but he doesn't know how to implement it. I'm the new IT guy.
The thing is that he wants me to adapt our software that we previously build for one specific customer to a more generalized and automatic solution like a SaaS. And for what I know, that would take months of hard work and it's just me in the development of that service. This is my first work experience, I just got graduated from the university...
I know that I should say "This is going to take more that you expect." but he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case.
I need your opinion about this, I'm starting to think that I'm wrong...
EDIT: Thank you for answering, really. I needed to talk about it.
software-industry startup
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Possible duplicate of How can we protest a deadline that is too short?
– gnat
9 hours ago
the IT guy... Does that mean there is only one?
– Mangocherry
9 hours ago
@Mangocherry, Yes, it's a small startup. Only 2 members. I'm the developer, the other one is who first came with the idea.
– Agus
9 hours ago
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Tough gig. Be weary of this situation. If the idea person wants you to commit this much, you should negotiate to be a co-founder and have better equity. Otherwise you should work your hourly wage and call it a day.
– jcmack
9 hours ago
They are expecting really hard work even when you doubt it can succeed. You were expecting something less. Working at a startup may not be for you.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
add a comment |
He is the leader of the startup, he owns the concept of the idea but he doesn't know how to implement it. I'm the new IT guy.
The thing is that he wants me to adapt our software that we previously build for one specific customer to a more generalized and automatic solution like a SaaS. And for what I know, that would take months of hard work and it's just me in the development of that service. This is my first work experience, I just got graduated from the university...
I know that I should say "This is going to take more that you expect." but he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case.
I need your opinion about this, I'm starting to think that I'm wrong...
EDIT: Thank you for answering, really. I needed to talk about it.
software-industry startup
New contributor
He is the leader of the startup, he owns the concept of the idea but he doesn't know how to implement it. I'm the new IT guy.
The thing is that he wants me to adapt our software that we previously build for one specific customer to a more generalized and automatic solution like a SaaS. And for what I know, that would take months of hard work and it's just me in the development of that service. This is my first work experience, I just got graduated from the university...
I know that I should say "This is going to take more that you expect." but he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case.
I need your opinion about this, I'm starting to think that I'm wrong...
EDIT: Thank you for answering, really. I needed to talk about it.
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Possible duplicate of How can we protest a deadline that is too short?
– gnat
9 hours ago
the IT guy... Does that mean there is only one?
– Mangocherry
9 hours ago
@Mangocherry, Yes, it's a small startup. Only 2 members. I'm the developer, the other one is who first came with the idea.
– Agus
9 hours ago
4
Tough gig. Be weary of this situation. If the idea person wants you to commit this much, you should negotiate to be a co-founder and have better equity. Otherwise you should work your hourly wage and call it a day.
– jcmack
9 hours ago
They are expecting really hard work even when you doubt it can succeed. You were expecting something less. Working at a startup may not be for you.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
add a comment |
4
Possible duplicate of How can we protest a deadline that is too short?
– gnat
9 hours ago
the IT guy... Does that mean there is only one?
– Mangocherry
9 hours ago
@Mangocherry, Yes, it's a small startup. Only 2 members. I'm the developer, the other one is who first came with the idea.
– Agus
9 hours ago
4
Tough gig. Be weary of this situation. If the idea person wants you to commit this much, you should negotiate to be a co-founder and have better equity. Otherwise you should work your hourly wage and call it a day.
– jcmack
9 hours ago
They are expecting really hard work even when you doubt it can succeed. You were expecting something less. Working at a startup may not be for you.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
4
4
Possible duplicate of How can we protest a deadline that is too short?
– gnat
9 hours ago
Possible duplicate of How can we protest a deadline that is too short?
– gnat
9 hours ago
the IT guy... Does that mean there is only one?
– Mangocherry
9 hours ago
the IT guy... Does that mean there is only one?
– Mangocherry
9 hours ago
@Mangocherry, Yes, it's a small startup. Only 2 members. I'm the developer, the other one is who first came with the idea.
– Agus
9 hours ago
@Mangocherry, Yes, it's a small startup. Only 2 members. I'm the developer, the other one is who first came with the idea.
– Agus
9 hours ago
4
4
Tough gig. Be weary of this situation. If the idea person wants you to commit this much, you should negotiate to be a co-founder and have better equity. Otherwise you should work your hourly wage and call it a day.
– jcmack
9 hours ago
Tough gig. Be weary of this situation. If the idea person wants you to commit this much, you should negotiate to be a co-founder and have better equity. Otherwise you should work your hourly wage and call it a day.
– jcmack
9 hours ago
They are expecting really hard work even when you doubt it can succeed. You were expecting something less. Working at a startup may not be for you.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
They are expecting really hard work even when you doubt it can succeed. You were expecting something less. Working at a startup may not be for you.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
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You are not the owner. You get paid a salary, and you work for that salary. If the owner wants you to work more, he needs to pay overtime.
You can tell him that it will take longer. Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more. 40 hours is most healthy for you, and it is most effective. You don’t do more useful work in more hours, you just get more exhausted.
Every month or so ask yourself “do I want to continue doing this job for this money”. If the answer is no, you look for a better job. If you feel bad about leaving your employer hanging: He will not hesitate one second to lay you off if you are not needed.
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The last part is the most important part for a new university graduate, and one I had to learn the hard way many times. Do not make my mistake. The company has no loyalty to you, so you should not feel undue loyalty to the company. Put in your 40 hours and do your best, and expect that in exchange the company is doing their best for you. If your best is not good enough for them, they will fire you in a heartbeat. If their best is not good enough for you, you should do likewise.
– Ertai87
7 hours ago
"Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more." - if that's the OP's plan, then a startup may not be the right place to work.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Be realistic about what you think you are capable of doing. Do not ever promise or agree to something that you don't believe that you can do.
Do not overwork yourself and sacrifice your family and sanity to try to do something that you don't believe is possible. If your boss thinks that the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is, there is basically zero chance he will appreciate or reward your sacrifice.
..... unless you get fairly compensated for the trouble.
– P. Hopkinson
6 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson That won't happen if your boss thinks the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is. This is a two-person company and the OP is one of the two people.
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
add a comment |
he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case
That sentence is a appear to me as a red line. What does he expect ? more work hours from you or just to put pressure into you ? In any case it's a bad situation, but before putting all your energy inside it please have a talk with him and let him know that your time isnt free, that it's not because you are new into the market doesnt mean he can abuse your times.
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Working harder and faster is something you do to cram 6 months of work into perhaps 5 available months. There is no such thing as hard enough and fast enough to cram 6 months of work into 2 months elapsed time.
– A. I. Breveleri
2 hours ago
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From some of your comments, your boss has legitimate business concerns about having a product which can generate revenue. Your analysis of work necessary has established that the work wouldn't be done for six months, that's a long time to go without revenue. You need to find a solution somewhere in the middle that is an acceptable compromise for both sides.
I think you should consider the idea of a Minimal Viable Product. Is there subset of features you could build in two months that could be used to start generating revenue? You could then incrementally add other features over the next four months to make the system more complete and eventually get to the finished product. Work with your owner/boss to identify what features could generate that initial revenue and you now have the beginnings of a plan to build the system and build the revenue stream.
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You are absolutely right. You have hit the nail. One thing that I'm doing wrong is letting him impose how to implement this project instead of me leading the technological stack and stablishing the technical limitations and constraints of the project. Thank you for providing me this point of view, I will seriously consider this.
– Agus
7 hours ago
This is a great answer because it sets you up to learn and explore options. When someone says "we need Project A done by X date" sometimes the best approach is to ask why and then respond to the real driving factor instead of just the deadline.
– dwizum
5 hours ago
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It seems like you know allready what work has to be done. Make a plan of all the steps and estimate generously.
You can then give him an estimate for the core product and different features and ask him to prioritize.
If you just say to him "this will take 6 months" and he doesn't know why he will think the 2 months will work if he just squeezes hard enough.
You could also think about outsourcing something you defined in the plans you made. Try to make him responsible for hiring and communicating with the contractor. He will probably hire cheap and it will take 3 times longer than estimated. Now it's him that's responsible for a delay and your estimates will sound a lot more reasonable.
Whatever you do, don't let it kill yourself. If you estimated correctly and you cram that work into 2 months, this would mean 24 hour workdays.
Thanks for answering. Yes, I estimated based on my knowledge and little experience. I told him about my plan, and the previous developer that worked in the company warned him that the project is not easy. His excuse is that we have no income money and we have to start billing. All the money the company has is thank of investors.
– Agus
9 hours ago
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So, your employer:
- Has only 1 person (you) on an important project
- That one and only person is someone who's fresh out of university.
This shows that either the project is not as important to him as he says it is, or that he's completely irrational.
If the project was really that important, he would hire someone with a serious experience to lead it... or at least with some reasonable experience.
Giving it to someone with zero experience and expecting results far in excess of normal, IF your employer really believes what he says, is a sign that he's so far gone from common sense that he cannot be reasoned with.
And even if he's just trying to squeeze more performance out of you, that kind of treatment is not something that can develop into a good working relationship.
Find another job.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To be more precise, I have a year of internship experience. But believe me, in my internship I only had to code and fix bugs, not to deploy a legacy application of 9 microservices and 4 different types of DBs on a Kubernetes cluster and provide a SaaS, all of that in 2 months... There is some work already done but there's is a lot of work more to do like security, monitoring, authentication, billing...
– Agus
4 hours ago
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Perhaps in a nicer way, you need to tell your employer, "Fast, good or robust. Pick two." This is the Iron Triangle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle, and no amount of wishing, ranting, wanting or needing changes the fact that limits exist. If his argument is the company will fold without it in two months, I would suggest you either leave immediately, or if you're not worried about the reference work diligently for 40 hours while looking for your next job.
If he's reasonable, you might consider putting in extra hours and working hard to shorten the delivery date, but do so with open eyes knowing that your sacrifice may be rewarded or it may not. Startups usually fail, but if you're in a gambling mood and the stars align, I won't tell you to absolutely walk away either.
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You are not the owner. You get paid a salary, and you work for that salary. If the owner wants you to work more, he needs to pay overtime.
You can tell him that it will take longer. Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more. 40 hours is most healthy for you, and it is most effective. You don’t do more useful work in more hours, you just get more exhausted.
Every month or so ask yourself “do I want to continue doing this job for this money”. If the answer is no, you look for a better job. If you feel bad about leaving your employer hanging: He will not hesitate one second to lay you off if you are not needed.
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The last part is the most important part for a new university graduate, and one I had to learn the hard way many times. Do not make my mistake. The company has no loyalty to you, so you should not feel undue loyalty to the company. Put in your 40 hours and do your best, and expect that in exchange the company is doing their best for you. If your best is not good enough for them, they will fire you in a heartbeat. If their best is not good enough for you, you should do likewise.
– Ertai87
7 hours ago
"Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more." - if that's the OP's plan, then a startup may not be the right place to work.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
add a comment |
You are not the owner. You get paid a salary, and you work for that salary. If the owner wants you to work more, he needs to pay overtime.
You can tell him that it will take longer. Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more. 40 hours is most healthy for you, and it is most effective. You don’t do more useful work in more hours, you just get more exhausted.
Every month or so ask yourself “do I want to continue doing this job for this money”. If the answer is no, you look for a better job. If you feel bad about leaving your employer hanging: He will not hesitate one second to lay you off if you are not needed.
3
The last part is the most important part for a new university graduate, and one I had to learn the hard way many times. Do not make my mistake. The company has no loyalty to you, so you should not feel undue loyalty to the company. Put in your 40 hours and do your best, and expect that in exchange the company is doing their best for you. If your best is not good enough for them, they will fire you in a heartbeat. If their best is not good enough for you, you should do likewise.
– Ertai87
7 hours ago
"Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more." - if that's the OP's plan, then a startup may not be the right place to work.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
add a comment |
You are not the owner. You get paid a salary, and you work for that salary. If the owner wants you to work more, he needs to pay overtime.
You can tell him that it will take longer. Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more. 40 hours is most healthy for you, and it is most effective. You don’t do more useful work in more hours, you just get more exhausted.
Every month or so ask yourself “do I want to continue doing this job for this money”. If the answer is no, you look for a better job. If you feel bad about leaving your employer hanging: He will not hesitate one second to lay you off if you are not needed.
You are not the owner. You get paid a salary, and you work for that salary. If the owner wants you to work more, he needs to pay overtime.
You can tell him that it will take longer. Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more. 40 hours is most healthy for you, and it is most effective. You don’t do more useful work in more hours, you just get more exhausted.
Every month or so ask yourself “do I want to continue doing this job for this money”. If the answer is no, you look for a better job. If you feel bad about leaving your employer hanging: He will not hesitate one second to lay you off if you are not needed.
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The last part is the most important part for a new university graduate, and one I had to learn the hard way many times. Do not make my mistake. The company has no loyalty to you, so you should not feel undue loyalty to the company. Put in your 40 hours and do your best, and expect that in exchange the company is doing their best for you. If your best is not good enough for them, they will fire you in a heartbeat. If their best is not good enough for you, you should do likewise.
– Ertai87
7 hours ago
"Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more." - if that's the OP's plan, then a startup may not be the right place to work.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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The last part is the most important part for a new university graduate, and one I had to learn the hard way many times. Do not make my mistake. The company has no loyalty to you, so you should not feel undue loyalty to the company. Put in your 40 hours and do your best, and expect that in exchange the company is doing their best for you. If your best is not good enough for them, they will fire you in a heartbeat. If their best is not good enough for you, you should do likewise.
– Ertai87
7 hours ago
"Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more." - if that's the OP's plan, then a startup may not be the right place to work.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
3
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The last part is the most important part for a new university graduate, and one I had to learn the hard way many times. Do not make my mistake. The company has no loyalty to you, so you should not feel undue loyalty to the company. Put in your 40 hours and do your best, and expect that in exchange the company is doing their best for you. If your best is not good enough for them, they will fire you in a heartbeat. If their best is not good enough for you, you should do likewise.
– Ertai87
7 hours ago
The last part is the most important part for a new university graduate, and one I had to learn the hard way many times. Do not make my mistake. The company has no loyalty to you, so you should not feel undue loyalty to the company. Put in your 40 hours and do your best, and expect that in exchange the company is doing their best for you. If your best is not good enough for them, they will fire you in a heartbeat. If their best is not good enough for you, you should do likewise.
– Ertai87
7 hours ago
"Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more." - if that's the OP's plan, then a startup may not be the right place to work.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
"Then you come to work and work 40 hours a week, not more." - if that's the OP's plan, then a startup may not be the right place to work.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Be realistic about what you think you are capable of doing. Do not ever promise or agree to something that you don't believe that you can do.
Do not overwork yourself and sacrifice your family and sanity to try to do something that you don't believe is possible. If your boss thinks that the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is, there is basically zero chance he will appreciate or reward your sacrifice.
..... unless you get fairly compensated for the trouble.
– P. Hopkinson
6 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson That won't happen if your boss thinks the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is. This is a two-person company and the OP is one of the two people.
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Be realistic about what you think you are capable of doing. Do not ever promise or agree to something that you don't believe that you can do.
Do not overwork yourself and sacrifice your family and sanity to try to do something that you don't believe is possible. If your boss thinks that the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is, there is basically zero chance he will appreciate or reward your sacrifice.
..... unless you get fairly compensated for the trouble.
– P. Hopkinson
6 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson That won't happen if your boss thinks the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is. This is a two-person company and the OP is one of the two people.
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Be realistic about what you think you are capable of doing. Do not ever promise or agree to something that you don't believe that you can do.
Do not overwork yourself and sacrifice your family and sanity to try to do something that you don't believe is possible. If your boss thinks that the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is, there is basically zero chance he will appreciate or reward your sacrifice.
Be realistic about what you think you are capable of doing. Do not ever promise or agree to something that you don't believe that you can do.
Do not overwork yourself and sacrifice your family and sanity to try to do something that you don't believe is possible. If your boss thinks that the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is, there is basically zero chance he will appreciate or reward your sacrifice.
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..... unless you get fairly compensated for the trouble.
– P. Hopkinson
6 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson That won't happen if your boss thinks the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is. This is a two-person company and the OP is one of the two people.
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
add a comment |
..... unless you get fairly compensated for the trouble.
– P. Hopkinson
6 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson That won't happen if your boss thinks the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is. This is a two-person company and the OP is one of the two people.
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
..... unless you get fairly compensated for the trouble.
– P. Hopkinson
6 hours ago
..... unless you get fairly compensated for the trouble.
– P. Hopkinson
6 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson That won't happen if your boss thinks the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is. This is a two-person company and the OP is one of the two people.
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson That won't happen if your boss thinks the work you're doing is much easier than it actually is. This is a two-person company and the OP is one of the two people.
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
add a comment |
he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case
That sentence is a appear to me as a red line. What does he expect ? more work hours from you or just to put pressure into you ? In any case it's a bad situation, but before putting all your energy inside it please have a talk with him and let him know that your time isnt free, that it's not because you are new into the market doesnt mean he can abuse your times.
4
Working harder and faster is something you do to cram 6 months of work into perhaps 5 available months. There is no such thing as hard enough and fast enough to cram 6 months of work into 2 months elapsed time.
– A. I. Breveleri
2 hours ago
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he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case
That sentence is a appear to me as a red line. What does he expect ? more work hours from you or just to put pressure into you ? In any case it's a bad situation, but before putting all your energy inside it please have a talk with him and let him know that your time isnt free, that it's not because you are new into the market doesnt mean he can abuse your times.
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Working harder and faster is something you do to cram 6 months of work into perhaps 5 available months. There is no such thing as hard enough and fast enough to cram 6 months of work into 2 months elapsed time.
– A. I. Breveleri
2 hours ago
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he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case
That sentence is a appear to me as a red line. What does he expect ? more work hours from you or just to put pressure into you ? In any case it's a bad situation, but before putting all your energy inside it please have a talk with him and let him know that your time isnt free, that it's not because you are new into the market doesnt mean he can abuse your times.
he already told me that we will have to work harder and faster if that is the case
That sentence is a appear to me as a red line. What does he expect ? more work hours from you or just to put pressure into you ? In any case it's a bad situation, but before putting all your energy inside it please have a talk with him and let him know that your time isnt free, that it's not because you are new into the market doesnt mean he can abuse your times.
answered 9 hours ago
yagmoth555yagmoth555
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Working harder and faster is something you do to cram 6 months of work into perhaps 5 available months. There is no such thing as hard enough and fast enough to cram 6 months of work into 2 months elapsed time.
– A. I. Breveleri
2 hours ago
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Working harder and faster is something you do to cram 6 months of work into perhaps 5 available months. There is no such thing as hard enough and fast enough to cram 6 months of work into 2 months elapsed time.
– A. I. Breveleri
2 hours ago
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Working harder and faster is something you do to cram 6 months of work into perhaps 5 available months. There is no such thing as hard enough and fast enough to cram 6 months of work into 2 months elapsed time.
– A. I. Breveleri
2 hours ago
Working harder and faster is something you do to cram 6 months of work into perhaps 5 available months. There is no such thing as hard enough and fast enough to cram 6 months of work into 2 months elapsed time.
– A. I. Breveleri
2 hours ago
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From some of your comments, your boss has legitimate business concerns about having a product which can generate revenue. Your analysis of work necessary has established that the work wouldn't be done for six months, that's a long time to go without revenue. You need to find a solution somewhere in the middle that is an acceptable compromise for both sides.
I think you should consider the idea of a Minimal Viable Product. Is there subset of features you could build in two months that could be used to start generating revenue? You could then incrementally add other features over the next four months to make the system more complete and eventually get to the finished product. Work with your owner/boss to identify what features could generate that initial revenue and you now have the beginnings of a plan to build the system and build the revenue stream.
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You are absolutely right. You have hit the nail. One thing that I'm doing wrong is letting him impose how to implement this project instead of me leading the technological stack and stablishing the technical limitations and constraints of the project. Thank you for providing me this point of view, I will seriously consider this.
– Agus
7 hours ago
This is a great answer because it sets you up to learn and explore options. When someone says "we need Project A done by X date" sometimes the best approach is to ask why and then respond to the real driving factor instead of just the deadline.
– dwizum
5 hours ago
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From some of your comments, your boss has legitimate business concerns about having a product which can generate revenue. Your analysis of work necessary has established that the work wouldn't be done for six months, that's a long time to go without revenue. You need to find a solution somewhere in the middle that is an acceptable compromise for both sides.
I think you should consider the idea of a Minimal Viable Product. Is there subset of features you could build in two months that could be used to start generating revenue? You could then incrementally add other features over the next four months to make the system more complete and eventually get to the finished product. Work with your owner/boss to identify what features could generate that initial revenue and you now have the beginnings of a plan to build the system and build the revenue stream.
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You are absolutely right. You have hit the nail. One thing that I'm doing wrong is letting him impose how to implement this project instead of me leading the technological stack and stablishing the technical limitations and constraints of the project. Thank you for providing me this point of view, I will seriously consider this.
– Agus
7 hours ago
This is a great answer because it sets you up to learn and explore options. When someone says "we need Project A done by X date" sometimes the best approach is to ask why and then respond to the real driving factor instead of just the deadline.
– dwizum
5 hours ago
add a comment |
From some of your comments, your boss has legitimate business concerns about having a product which can generate revenue. Your analysis of work necessary has established that the work wouldn't be done for six months, that's a long time to go without revenue. You need to find a solution somewhere in the middle that is an acceptable compromise for both sides.
I think you should consider the idea of a Minimal Viable Product. Is there subset of features you could build in two months that could be used to start generating revenue? You could then incrementally add other features over the next four months to make the system more complete and eventually get to the finished product. Work with your owner/boss to identify what features could generate that initial revenue and you now have the beginnings of a plan to build the system and build the revenue stream.
From some of your comments, your boss has legitimate business concerns about having a product which can generate revenue. Your analysis of work necessary has established that the work wouldn't be done for six months, that's a long time to go without revenue. You need to find a solution somewhere in the middle that is an acceptable compromise for both sides.
I think you should consider the idea of a Minimal Viable Product. Is there subset of features you could build in two months that could be used to start generating revenue? You could then incrementally add other features over the next four months to make the system more complete and eventually get to the finished product. Work with your owner/boss to identify what features could generate that initial revenue and you now have the beginnings of a plan to build the system and build the revenue stream.
answered 8 hours ago
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You are absolutely right. You have hit the nail. One thing that I'm doing wrong is letting him impose how to implement this project instead of me leading the technological stack and stablishing the technical limitations and constraints of the project. Thank you for providing me this point of view, I will seriously consider this.
– Agus
7 hours ago
This is a great answer because it sets you up to learn and explore options. When someone says "we need Project A done by X date" sometimes the best approach is to ask why and then respond to the real driving factor instead of just the deadline.
– dwizum
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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You are absolutely right. You have hit the nail. One thing that I'm doing wrong is letting him impose how to implement this project instead of me leading the technological stack and stablishing the technical limitations and constraints of the project. Thank you for providing me this point of view, I will seriously consider this.
– Agus
7 hours ago
This is a great answer because it sets you up to learn and explore options. When someone says "we need Project A done by X date" sometimes the best approach is to ask why and then respond to the real driving factor instead of just the deadline.
– dwizum
5 hours ago
1
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You are absolutely right. You have hit the nail. One thing that I'm doing wrong is letting him impose how to implement this project instead of me leading the technological stack and stablishing the technical limitations and constraints of the project. Thank you for providing me this point of view, I will seriously consider this.
– Agus
7 hours ago
You are absolutely right. You have hit the nail. One thing that I'm doing wrong is letting him impose how to implement this project instead of me leading the technological stack and stablishing the technical limitations and constraints of the project. Thank you for providing me this point of view, I will seriously consider this.
– Agus
7 hours ago
This is a great answer because it sets you up to learn and explore options. When someone says "we need Project A done by X date" sometimes the best approach is to ask why and then respond to the real driving factor instead of just the deadline.
– dwizum
5 hours ago
This is a great answer because it sets you up to learn and explore options. When someone says "we need Project A done by X date" sometimes the best approach is to ask why and then respond to the real driving factor instead of just the deadline.
– dwizum
5 hours ago
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It seems like you know allready what work has to be done. Make a plan of all the steps and estimate generously.
You can then give him an estimate for the core product and different features and ask him to prioritize.
If you just say to him "this will take 6 months" and he doesn't know why he will think the 2 months will work if he just squeezes hard enough.
You could also think about outsourcing something you defined in the plans you made. Try to make him responsible for hiring and communicating with the contractor. He will probably hire cheap and it will take 3 times longer than estimated. Now it's him that's responsible for a delay and your estimates will sound a lot more reasonable.
Whatever you do, don't let it kill yourself. If you estimated correctly and you cram that work into 2 months, this would mean 24 hour workdays.
Thanks for answering. Yes, I estimated based on my knowledge and little experience. I told him about my plan, and the previous developer that worked in the company warned him that the project is not easy. His excuse is that we have no income money and we have to start billing. All the money the company has is thank of investors.
– Agus
9 hours ago
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It seems like you know allready what work has to be done. Make a plan of all the steps and estimate generously.
You can then give him an estimate for the core product and different features and ask him to prioritize.
If you just say to him "this will take 6 months" and he doesn't know why he will think the 2 months will work if he just squeezes hard enough.
You could also think about outsourcing something you defined in the plans you made. Try to make him responsible for hiring and communicating with the contractor. He will probably hire cheap and it will take 3 times longer than estimated. Now it's him that's responsible for a delay and your estimates will sound a lot more reasonable.
Whatever you do, don't let it kill yourself. If you estimated correctly and you cram that work into 2 months, this would mean 24 hour workdays.
Thanks for answering. Yes, I estimated based on my knowledge and little experience. I told him about my plan, and the previous developer that worked in the company warned him that the project is not easy. His excuse is that we have no income money and we have to start billing. All the money the company has is thank of investors.
– Agus
9 hours ago
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It seems like you know allready what work has to be done. Make a plan of all the steps and estimate generously.
You can then give him an estimate for the core product and different features and ask him to prioritize.
If you just say to him "this will take 6 months" and he doesn't know why he will think the 2 months will work if he just squeezes hard enough.
You could also think about outsourcing something you defined in the plans you made. Try to make him responsible for hiring and communicating with the contractor. He will probably hire cheap and it will take 3 times longer than estimated. Now it's him that's responsible for a delay and your estimates will sound a lot more reasonable.
Whatever you do, don't let it kill yourself. If you estimated correctly and you cram that work into 2 months, this would mean 24 hour workdays.
It seems like you know allready what work has to be done. Make a plan of all the steps and estimate generously.
You can then give him an estimate for the core product and different features and ask him to prioritize.
If you just say to him "this will take 6 months" and he doesn't know why he will think the 2 months will work if he just squeezes hard enough.
You could also think about outsourcing something you defined in the plans you made. Try to make him responsible for hiring and communicating with the contractor. He will probably hire cheap and it will take 3 times longer than estimated. Now it's him that's responsible for a delay and your estimates will sound a lot more reasonable.
Whatever you do, don't let it kill yourself. If you estimated correctly and you cram that work into 2 months, this would mean 24 hour workdays.
answered 9 hours ago
MangocherryMangocherry
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Thanks for answering. Yes, I estimated based on my knowledge and little experience. I told him about my plan, and the previous developer that worked in the company warned him that the project is not easy. His excuse is that we have no income money and we have to start billing. All the money the company has is thank of investors.
– Agus
9 hours ago
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Thanks for answering. Yes, I estimated based on my knowledge and little experience. I told him about my plan, and the previous developer that worked in the company warned him that the project is not easy. His excuse is that we have no income money and we have to start billing. All the money the company has is thank of investors.
– Agus
9 hours ago
Thanks for answering. Yes, I estimated based on my knowledge and little experience. I told him about my plan, and the previous developer that worked in the company warned him that the project is not easy. His excuse is that we have no income money and we have to start billing. All the money the company has is thank of investors.
– Agus
9 hours ago
Thanks for answering. Yes, I estimated based on my knowledge and little experience. I told him about my plan, and the previous developer that worked in the company warned him that the project is not easy. His excuse is that we have no income money and we have to start billing. All the money the company has is thank of investors.
– Agus
9 hours ago
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So, your employer:
- Has only 1 person (you) on an important project
- That one and only person is someone who's fresh out of university.
This shows that either the project is not as important to him as he says it is, or that he's completely irrational.
If the project was really that important, he would hire someone with a serious experience to lead it... or at least with some reasonable experience.
Giving it to someone with zero experience and expecting results far in excess of normal, IF your employer really believes what he says, is a sign that he's so far gone from common sense that he cannot be reasoned with.
And even if he's just trying to squeeze more performance out of you, that kind of treatment is not something that can develop into a good working relationship.
Find another job.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To be more precise, I have a year of internship experience. But believe me, in my internship I only had to code and fix bugs, not to deploy a legacy application of 9 microservices and 4 different types of DBs on a Kubernetes cluster and provide a SaaS, all of that in 2 months... There is some work already done but there's is a lot of work more to do like security, monitoring, authentication, billing...
– Agus
4 hours ago
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So, your employer:
- Has only 1 person (you) on an important project
- That one and only person is someone who's fresh out of university.
This shows that either the project is not as important to him as he says it is, or that he's completely irrational.
If the project was really that important, he would hire someone with a serious experience to lead it... or at least with some reasonable experience.
Giving it to someone with zero experience and expecting results far in excess of normal, IF your employer really believes what he says, is a sign that he's so far gone from common sense that he cannot be reasoned with.
And even if he's just trying to squeeze more performance out of you, that kind of treatment is not something that can develop into a good working relationship.
Find another job.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To be more precise, I have a year of internship experience. But believe me, in my internship I only had to code and fix bugs, not to deploy a legacy application of 9 microservices and 4 different types of DBs on a Kubernetes cluster and provide a SaaS, all of that in 2 months... There is some work already done but there's is a lot of work more to do like security, monitoring, authentication, billing...
– Agus
4 hours ago
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So, your employer:
- Has only 1 person (you) on an important project
- That one and only person is someone who's fresh out of university.
This shows that either the project is not as important to him as he says it is, or that he's completely irrational.
If the project was really that important, he would hire someone with a serious experience to lead it... or at least with some reasonable experience.
Giving it to someone with zero experience and expecting results far in excess of normal, IF your employer really believes what he says, is a sign that he's so far gone from common sense that he cannot be reasoned with.
And even if he's just trying to squeeze more performance out of you, that kind of treatment is not something that can develop into a good working relationship.
Find another job.
So, your employer:
- Has only 1 person (you) on an important project
- That one and only person is someone who's fresh out of university.
This shows that either the project is not as important to him as he says it is, or that he's completely irrational.
If the project was really that important, he would hire someone with a serious experience to lead it... or at least with some reasonable experience.
Giving it to someone with zero experience and expecting results far in excess of normal, IF your employer really believes what he says, is a sign that he's so far gone from common sense that he cannot be reasoned with.
And even if he's just trying to squeeze more performance out of you, that kind of treatment is not something that can develop into a good working relationship.
Find another job.
answered 7 hours ago
Dragan JuricDragan Juric
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3,6643 gold badges5 silver badges12 bronze badges
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To be more precise, I have a year of internship experience. But believe me, in my internship I only had to code and fix bugs, not to deploy a legacy application of 9 microservices and 4 different types of DBs on a Kubernetes cluster and provide a SaaS, all of that in 2 months... There is some work already done but there's is a lot of work more to do like security, monitoring, authentication, billing...
– Agus
4 hours ago
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To be more precise, I have a year of internship experience. But believe me, in my internship I only had to code and fix bugs, not to deploy a legacy application of 9 microservices and 4 different types of DBs on a Kubernetes cluster and provide a SaaS, all of that in 2 months... There is some work already done but there's is a lot of work more to do like security, monitoring, authentication, billing...
– Agus
4 hours ago
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To be more precise, I have a year of internship experience. But believe me, in my internship I only had to code and fix bugs, not to deploy a legacy application of 9 microservices and 4 different types of DBs on a Kubernetes cluster and provide a SaaS, all of that in 2 months... There is some work already done but there's is a lot of work more to do like security, monitoring, authentication, billing...
– Agus
4 hours ago
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To be more precise, I have a year of internship experience. But believe me, in my internship I only had to code and fix bugs, not to deploy a legacy application of 9 microservices and 4 different types of DBs on a Kubernetes cluster and provide a SaaS, all of that in 2 months... There is some work already done but there's is a lot of work more to do like security, monitoring, authentication, billing...
– Agus
4 hours ago
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Perhaps in a nicer way, you need to tell your employer, "Fast, good or robust. Pick two." This is the Iron Triangle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle, and no amount of wishing, ranting, wanting or needing changes the fact that limits exist. If his argument is the company will fold without it in two months, I would suggest you either leave immediately, or if you're not worried about the reference work diligently for 40 hours while looking for your next job.
If he's reasonable, you might consider putting in extra hours and working hard to shorten the delivery date, but do so with open eyes knowing that your sacrifice may be rewarded or it may not. Startups usually fail, but if you're in a gambling mood and the stars align, I won't tell you to absolutely walk away either.
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Perhaps in a nicer way, you need to tell your employer, "Fast, good or robust. Pick two." This is the Iron Triangle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle, and no amount of wishing, ranting, wanting or needing changes the fact that limits exist. If his argument is the company will fold without it in two months, I would suggest you either leave immediately, or if you're not worried about the reference work diligently for 40 hours while looking for your next job.
If he's reasonable, you might consider putting in extra hours and working hard to shorten the delivery date, but do so with open eyes knowing that your sacrifice may be rewarded or it may not. Startups usually fail, but if you're in a gambling mood and the stars align, I won't tell you to absolutely walk away either.
add a comment |
Perhaps in a nicer way, you need to tell your employer, "Fast, good or robust. Pick two." This is the Iron Triangle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle, and no amount of wishing, ranting, wanting or needing changes the fact that limits exist. If his argument is the company will fold without it in two months, I would suggest you either leave immediately, or if you're not worried about the reference work diligently for 40 hours while looking for your next job.
If he's reasonable, you might consider putting in extra hours and working hard to shorten the delivery date, but do so with open eyes knowing that your sacrifice may be rewarded or it may not. Startups usually fail, but if you're in a gambling mood and the stars align, I won't tell you to absolutely walk away either.
Perhaps in a nicer way, you need to tell your employer, "Fast, good or robust. Pick two." This is the Iron Triangle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle, and no amount of wishing, ranting, wanting or needing changes the fact that limits exist. If his argument is the company will fold without it in two months, I would suggest you either leave immediately, or if you're not worried about the reference work diligently for 40 hours while looking for your next job.
If he's reasonable, you might consider putting in extra hours and working hard to shorten the delivery date, but do so with open eyes knowing that your sacrifice may be rewarded or it may not. Startups usually fail, but if you're in a gambling mood and the stars align, I won't tell you to absolutely walk away either.
answered 5 hours ago
John SpiegelJohn Spiegel
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Possible duplicate of How can we protest a deadline that is too short?
– gnat
9 hours ago
the IT guy... Does that mean there is only one?
– Mangocherry
9 hours ago
@Mangocherry, Yes, it's a small startup. Only 2 members. I'm the developer, the other one is who first came with the idea.
– Agus
9 hours ago
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Tough gig. Be weary of this situation. If the idea person wants you to commit this much, you should negotiate to be a co-founder and have better equity. Otherwise you should work your hourly wage and call it a day.
– jcmack
9 hours ago
They are expecting really hard work even when you doubt it can succeed. You were expecting something less. Working at a startup may not be for you.
– Joe Strazzere
4 hours ago