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Should I leave the first authourship of our paper to the student who did the project whereas I solved it?
Mentor trying to be first author?How can I fix previous name misspelling in publications and how should I avoid them in future?If a student's work has been substantially (>80%) revised, is s/he still qualified as the first author?Resolving authorship when PhD student does most of the work on paper, but originally agreed to support another PhD student (first author)?Expounding implementation details of a paper and provide a full computational analysisResolving a dispute for first authorship where the value and demarcations of individual contributions are hard to identifyHow to avoid a hostile takeover of first authorship during medical leave?My master’s thesis’ results will be published without my consent. What should I do?Post-doc wants to break his promise of including me on author listHow to protect your authorship when trapped in “collaboration”?
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I (as a Ph.D. student) supervised a master project.
In particular, I defined the problem statement and prepared a sketch of the solution, say, the steps which have to be done to achieve the solution. The master student basically paced those steps which were mostly programming implementations. I composed the paper. Now, the paper is ready to be published, and I'm in a dilemma in selecting the first author of the paper.
On the one hand, I feel myself the right one because I solved the critical part of the problem, and the student just implemented what I had already planned. On the other hand, he may want to apply for a graduate position later, and I understand that he would morally expect to be the first author as this paper is his only serious research touch. My supervisor left the issue to myself by stating that my opinion would be his.
We unfortunately didn't set any specific set of expectations beforehand, particularly regarding papers and authorships.
According to a neutral mind, who does deserve more to be the first author?
PS. The field is electrical engineering.
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I (as a Ph.D. student) supervised a master project.
In particular, I defined the problem statement and prepared a sketch of the solution, say, the steps which have to be done to achieve the solution. The master student basically paced those steps which were mostly programming implementations. I composed the paper. Now, the paper is ready to be published, and I'm in a dilemma in selecting the first author of the paper.
On the one hand, I feel myself the right one because I solved the critical part of the problem, and the student just implemented what I had already planned. On the other hand, he may want to apply for a graduate position later, and I understand that he would morally expect to be the first author as this paper is his only serious research touch. My supervisor left the issue to myself by stating that my opinion would be his.
We unfortunately didn't set any specific set of expectations beforehand, particularly regarding papers and authorships.
According to a neutral mind, who does deserve more to be the first author?
PS. The field is electrical engineering.
publications authorship
2
Who actually wrote the paper?
– mmeent
13 hours ago
2
The laying out of initial expectations is a big part of decisions like this, in addition to the actual writing of the paper. If you laid out the problem for them and only advised when they asked for help (and just advise, not considerable "doing"), then it would also be on them to do much of the writing work as well, preferably producing at least a full rough draft - more if this is part of their thesis. On the other side, the initial setup could have been "work with me on this project, I'm here to help and lead, and you can be an author". Hard to tell from only what is written here.
– BrianH
13 hours ago
2
@mmeent: I did compose the paper.
– Pinton
13 hours ago
2
Which field of S.T.E.M. are you publishing in? As others have pointed out, the answer here might be field-dependent. Different communities conclude very different things from author order.
– Patrick Sanan
12 hours ago
1
@BryanKrause: It was pretty along with my Ph.D. thesis. In fact, I had already thought about the topic and had obtained its theoretical ground based on which the feasibility of the idea was already analyzed and proved. The student had some nice touch during the implementation, yet he basically followed the steps that I depicted for him.
– Pinton
4 hours ago
|
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I (as a Ph.D. student) supervised a master project.
In particular, I defined the problem statement and prepared a sketch of the solution, say, the steps which have to be done to achieve the solution. The master student basically paced those steps which were mostly programming implementations. I composed the paper. Now, the paper is ready to be published, and I'm in a dilemma in selecting the first author of the paper.
On the one hand, I feel myself the right one because I solved the critical part of the problem, and the student just implemented what I had already planned. On the other hand, he may want to apply for a graduate position later, and I understand that he would morally expect to be the first author as this paper is his only serious research touch. My supervisor left the issue to myself by stating that my opinion would be his.
We unfortunately didn't set any specific set of expectations beforehand, particularly regarding papers and authorships.
According to a neutral mind, who does deserve more to be the first author?
PS. The field is electrical engineering.
publications authorship
I (as a Ph.D. student) supervised a master project.
In particular, I defined the problem statement and prepared a sketch of the solution, say, the steps which have to be done to achieve the solution. The master student basically paced those steps which were mostly programming implementations. I composed the paper. Now, the paper is ready to be published, and I'm in a dilemma in selecting the first author of the paper.
On the one hand, I feel myself the right one because I solved the critical part of the problem, and the student just implemented what I had already planned. On the other hand, he may want to apply for a graduate position later, and I understand that he would morally expect to be the first author as this paper is his only serious research touch. My supervisor left the issue to myself by stating that my opinion would be his.
We unfortunately didn't set any specific set of expectations beforehand, particularly regarding papers and authorships.
According to a neutral mind, who does deserve more to be the first author?
PS. The field is electrical engineering.
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Who actually wrote the paper?
– mmeent
13 hours ago
2
The laying out of initial expectations is a big part of decisions like this, in addition to the actual writing of the paper. If you laid out the problem for them and only advised when they asked for help (and just advise, not considerable "doing"), then it would also be on them to do much of the writing work as well, preferably producing at least a full rough draft - more if this is part of their thesis. On the other side, the initial setup could have been "work with me on this project, I'm here to help and lead, and you can be an author". Hard to tell from only what is written here.
– BrianH
13 hours ago
2
@mmeent: I did compose the paper.
– Pinton
13 hours ago
2
Which field of S.T.E.M. are you publishing in? As others have pointed out, the answer here might be field-dependent. Different communities conclude very different things from author order.
– Patrick Sanan
12 hours ago
1
@BryanKrause: It was pretty along with my Ph.D. thesis. In fact, I had already thought about the topic and had obtained its theoretical ground based on which the feasibility of the idea was already analyzed and proved. The student had some nice touch during the implementation, yet he basically followed the steps that I depicted for him.
– Pinton
4 hours ago
|
show 7 more comments
2
Who actually wrote the paper?
– mmeent
13 hours ago
2
The laying out of initial expectations is a big part of decisions like this, in addition to the actual writing of the paper. If you laid out the problem for them and only advised when they asked for help (and just advise, not considerable "doing"), then it would also be on them to do much of the writing work as well, preferably producing at least a full rough draft - more if this is part of their thesis. On the other side, the initial setup could have been "work with me on this project, I'm here to help and lead, and you can be an author". Hard to tell from only what is written here.
– BrianH
13 hours ago
2
@mmeent: I did compose the paper.
– Pinton
13 hours ago
2
Which field of S.T.E.M. are you publishing in? As others have pointed out, the answer here might be field-dependent. Different communities conclude very different things from author order.
– Patrick Sanan
12 hours ago
1
@BryanKrause: It was pretty along with my Ph.D. thesis. In fact, I had already thought about the topic and had obtained its theoretical ground based on which the feasibility of the idea was already analyzed and proved. The student had some nice touch during the implementation, yet he basically followed the steps that I depicted for him.
– Pinton
4 hours ago
2
2
Who actually wrote the paper?
– mmeent
13 hours ago
Who actually wrote the paper?
– mmeent
13 hours ago
2
2
The laying out of initial expectations is a big part of decisions like this, in addition to the actual writing of the paper. If you laid out the problem for them and only advised when they asked for help (and just advise, not considerable "doing"), then it would also be on them to do much of the writing work as well, preferably producing at least a full rough draft - more if this is part of their thesis. On the other side, the initial setup could have been "work with me on this project, I'm here to help and lead, and you can be an author". Hard to tell from only what is written here.
– BrianH
13 hours ago
The laying out of initial expectations is a big part of decisions like this, in addition to the actual writing of the paper. If you laid out the problem for them and only advised when they asked for help (and just advise, not considerable "doing"), then it would also be on them to do much of the writing work as well, preferably producing at least a full rough draft - more if this is part of their thesis. On the other side, the initial setup could have been "work with me on this project, I'm here to help and lead, and you can be an author". Hard to tell from only what is written here.
– BrianH
13 hours ago
2
2
@mmeent: I did compose the paper.
– Pinton
13 hours ago
@mmeent: I did compose the paper.
– Pinton
13 hours ago
2
2
Which field of S.T.E.M. are you publishing in? As others have pointed out, the answer here might be field-dependent. Different communities conclude very different things from author order.
– Patrick Sanan
12 hours ago
Which field of S.T.E.M. are you publishing in? As others have pointed out, the answer here might be field-dependent. Different communities conclude very different things from author order.
– Patrick Sanan
12 hours ago
1
1
@BryanKrause: It was pretty along with my Ph.D. thesis. In fact, I had already thought about the topic and had obtained its theoretical ground based on which the feasibility of the idea was already analyzed and proved. The student had some nice touch during the implementation, yet he basically followed the steps that I depicted for him.
– Pinton
4 hours ago
@BryanKrause: It was pretty along with my Ph.D. thesis. In fact, I had already thought about the topic and had obtained its theoretical ground based on which the feasibility of the idea was already analyzed and proved. The student had some nice touch during the implementation, yet he basically followed the steps that I depicted for him.
– Pinton
4 hours ago
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It would, perhaps, be generous of you to do so, but not necessarily wrong. In math and CS, listing authors alphabetically would probably be appropriate with little or no attention to "first" authorship.
But an academic being seen as generous is not a bad thing. Too many questions here are just the opposite, demanding first authorship, sometimes properly and sometimes not. But such generosity is more typical in a professor with an established reputation than in a current grad student.
But a serious consideration would entail looking at whether the student made a significant intellectual contribution to the work. If not, then first authorship is probably overly generous and might set a bad precedent in the mind of that student.
I'm with your professor on this. Your call. But the advice in comments (BrianH) on setting expectations at the start is good - even essential.
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I work in an engineering field, and my PhD students often do what you described. In my opinion, you should be the first author because
- you have set the problem;
- you have set the outline of the solution and supervised the student;
- you have composed the paper.
To grant the first authorship to a master student, she usually needs to
- at least contribute to the development some novel ideas;
- take most of the writing burden.
2
I'm a bit less concerned about the actual writing than many are. Sometimes a paper is improved if someone with better writing skills puts the actual words down. The contribution can be in editing and discussions about making the presentation accurate, while the "wordsmith" does the actual composition.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
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It would, perhaps, be generous of you to do so, but not necessarily wrong. In math and CS, listing authors alphabetically would probably be appropriate with little or no attention to "first" authorship.
But an academic being seen as generous is not a bad thing. Too many questions here are just the opposite, demanding first authorship, sometimes properly and sometimes not. But such generosity is more typical in a professor with an established reputation than in a current grad student.
But a serious consideration would entail looking at whether the student made a significant intellectual contribution to the work. If not, then first authorship is probably overly generous and might set a bad precedent in the mind of that student.
I'm with your professor on this. Your call. But the advice in comments (BrianH) on setting expectations at the start is good - even essential.
add a comment |
It would, perhaps, be generous of you to do so, but not necessarily wrong. In math and CS, listing authors alphabetically would probably be appropriate with little or no attention to "first" authorship.
But an academic being seen as generous is not a bad thing. Too many questions here are just the opposite, demanding first authorship, sometimes properly and sometimes not. But such generosity is more typical in a professor with an established reputation than in a current grad student.
But a serious consideration would entail looking at whether the student made a significant intellectual contribution to the work. If not, then first authorship is probably overly generous and might set a bad precedent in the mind of that student.
I'm with your professor on this. Your call. But the advice in comments (BrianH) on setting expectations at the start is good - even essential.
add a comment |
It would, perhaps, be generous of you to do so, but not necessarily wrong. In math and CS, listing authors alphabetically would probably be appropriate with little or no attention to "first" authorship.
But an academic being seen as generous is not a bad thing. Too many questions here are just the opposite, demanding first authorship, sometimes properly and sometimes not. But such generosity is more typical in a professor with an established reputation than in a current grad student.
But a serious consideration would entail looking at whether the student made a significant intellectual contribution to the work. If not, then first authorship is probably overly generous and might set a bad precedent in the mind of that student.
I'm with your professor on this. Your call. But the advice in comments (BrianH) on setting expectations at the start is good - even essential.
It would, perhaps, be generous of you to do so, but not necessarily wrong. In math and CS, listing authors alphabetically would probably be appropriate with little or no attention to "first" authorship.
But an academic being seen as generous is not a bad thing. Too many questions here are just the opposite, demanding first authorship, sometimes properly and sometimes not. But such generosity is more typical in a professor with an established reputation than in a current grad student.
But a serious consideration would entail looking at whether the student made a significant intellectual contribution to the work. If not, then first authorship is probably overly generous and might set a bad precedent in the mind of that student.
I'm with your professor on this. Your call. But the advice in comments (BrianH) on setting expectations at the start is good - even essential.
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I work in an engineering field, and my PhD students often do what you described. In my opinion, you should be the first author because
- you have set the problem;
- you have set the outline of the solution and supervised the student;
- you have composed the paper.
To grant the first authorship to a master student, she usually needs to
- at least contribute to the development some novel ideas;
- take most of the writing burden.
2
I'm a bit less concerned about the actual writing than many are. Sometimes a paper is improved if someone with better writing skills puts the actual words down. The contribution can be in editing and discussions about making the presentation accurate, while the "wordsmith" does the actual composition.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
add a comment |
I work in an engineering field, and my PhD students often do what you described. In my opinion, you should be the first author because
- you have set the problem;
- you have set the outline of the solution and supervised the student;
- you have composed the paper.
To grant the first authorship to a master student, she usually needs to
- at least contribute to the development some novel ideas;
- take most of the writing burden.
2
I'm a bit less concerned about the actual writing than many are. Sometimes a paper is improved if someone with better writing skills puts the actual words down. The contribution can be in editing and discussions about making the presentation accurate, while the "wordsmith" does the actual composition.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
add a comment |
I work in an engineering field, and my PhD students often do what you described. In my opinion, you should be the first author because
- you have set the problem;
- you have set the outline of the solution and supervised the student;
- you have composed the paper.
To grant the first authorship to a master student, she usually needs to
- at least contribute to the development some novel ideas;
- take most of the writing burden.
I work in an engineering field, and my PhD students often do what you described. In my opinion, you should be the first author because
- you have set the problem;
- you have set the outline of the solution and supervised the student;
- you have composed the paper.
To grant the first authorship to a master student, she usually needs to
- at least contribute to the development some novel ideas;
- take most of the writing burden.
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I'm a bit less concerned about the actual writing than many are. Sometimes a paper is improved if someone with better writing skills puts the actual words down. The contribution can be in editing and discussions about making the presentation accurate, while the "wordsmith" does the actual composition.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
add a comment |
2
I'm a bit less concerned about the actual writing than many are. Sometimes a paper is improved if someone with better writing skills puts the actual words down. The contribution can be in editing and discussions about making the presentation accurate, while the "wordsmith" does the actual composition.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
2
2
I'm a bit less concerned about the actual writing than many are. Sometimes a paper is improved if someone with better writing skills puts the actual words down. The contribution can be in editing and discussions about making the presentation accurate, while the "wordsmith" does the actual composition.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
I'm a bit less concerned about the actual writing than many are. Sometimes a paper is improved if someone with better writing skills puts the actual words down. The contribution can be in editing and discussions about making the presentation accurate, while the "wordsmith" does the actual composition.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
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Who actually wrote the paper?
– mmeent
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The laying out of initial expectations is a big part of decisions like this, in addition to the actual writing of the paper. If you laid out the problem for them and only advised when they asked for help (and just advise, not considerable "doing"), then it would also be on them to do much of the writing work as well, preferably producing at least a full rough draft - more if this is part of their thesis. On the other side, the initial setup could have been "work with me on this project, I'm here to help and lead, and you can be an author". Hard to tell from only what is written here.
– BrianH
13 hours ago
2
@mmeent: I did compose the paper.
– Pinton
13 hours ago
2
Which field of S.T.E.M. are you publishing in? As others have pointed out, the answer here might be field-dependent. Different communities conclude very different things from author order.
– Patrick Sanan
12 hours ago
1
@BryanKrause: It was pretty along with my Ph.D. thesis. In fact, I had already thought about the topic and had obtained its theoretical ground based on which the feasibility of the idea was already analyzed and proved. The student had some nice touch during the implementation, yet he basically followed the steps that I depicted for him.
– Pinton
4 hours ago