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Proof involving the spectral radius and the Jordan canonical form

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Let $A$ be a square matrix. Show that if $$lim_n to infty A^n = 0$$ then $rho(A) < 1$, where $rho(A)$ denotes the spectral radius of $A$.

Hint: Use the Jordan canonical form.

I am self-studying and have been working through a few linear algebra exercises. I'm struggling a bit in applying the hint to this problem — I don't know where to start. Any help appreciated.

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Let $A$ be a square matrix. Show that if $$lim_n to infty A^n = 0$$ then $rho(A) < 1$, where $rho(A)$ denotes the spectral radius of $A$.

Hint: Use the Jordan canonical form.

I am self-studying and have been working through a few linear algebra exercises. I'm struggling a bit in applying the hint to this problem — I don't know where to start. Any help appreciated.

linear-algebra matrices jordan-normal-form spectral-radius

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edited 4 mins ago

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Let $A$ be a square matrix. Show that if $$lim_n to infty A^n = 0$$ then $rho(A) < 1$, where $rho(A)$ denotes the spectral radius of $A$.

Hint: Use the Jordan canonical form.

I am self-studying and have been working through a few linear algebra exercises. I'm struggling a bit in applying the hint to this problem — I don't know where to start. Any help appreciated.

linear-algebra matrices jordan-normal-form spectral-radius

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You don't really need Jordan canonical form. If $rho(A) ge 1$, $A$ has an eigenvalue $lambda$ with $|lambda| ge 1$. That eigenvalue has an eigenvector $v$. Then $A^n v = lambda^n v$, so $|A^n v| = |lambda|^n |v| ge |v|$ does not go to $0$ as $n to infty$, which is impossible if $A^n to 0$.

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Hint

$$A=PJP^-1 \
J=beginbmatrix
lambda_1 & * & 0 & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
0& lambda_2 & * & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n \
endbmatrix$$
where each $*$ is either $0$ or $1$.

Prove by induction that
$$J^m=beginbmatrix
lambda_1^m & star & star & star & star & ... & star \
0& lambda_2^m & star & star & star & ... & star \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n^m \
endbmatrix$$
where the $star$s represent numbers, that is $J^m$ is an upper triangular matrix
with the $m$^th powers of the eigenvalues on the diagonal.

Note The above claim for $J^m$ is not fully using that $J$ is a Jordan cannonical form. It only uses that $J$ is upper triangular.

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  So, $A^m = PJ^mP^-1$. If I can show what you're asking by induction, would the limit of $J^m = 0$? I'm sure it is because the diagonal entries are less than one, right?
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  @mXdX Well, that is the point. First $$lim_m J^m= lim_m P^-1 A^m P =0$$ Now, since $lim J^m=0$ you can deduce that the diagonal entries converge to zero, meaning $lambda_j^m to 0$. This implies that $|lambda_j |<1$
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  I understand now. Thanks. So I would have to show, like you said, that the diagonal entries of $J^m$ are the $m$th powers of the eigenvalues.
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You don't really need Jordan canonical form. If $rho(A) ge 1$, $A$ has an eigenvalue $lambda$ with $|lambda| ge 1$. That eigenvalue has an eigenvector $v$. Then $A^n v = lambda^n v$, so $|A^n v| = |lambda|^n |v| ge |v|$ does not go to $0$ as $n to infty$, which is impossible if $A^n to 0$.

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You don't really need Jordan canonical form. If $rho(A) ge 1$, $A$ has an eigenvalue $lambda$ with $|lambda| ge 1$. That eigenvalue has an eigenvector $v$. Then $A^n v = lambda^n v$, so $|A^n v| = |lambda|^n |v| ge |v|$ does not go to $0$ as $n to infty$, which is impossible if $A^n to 0$.

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answered 56 mins ago

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$begingroup$

You don't really need Jordan canonical form. If $rho(A) ge 1$, $A$ has an eigenvalue $lambda$ with $|lambda| ge 1$. That eigenvalue has an eigenvector $v$. Then $A^n v = lambda^n v$, so $|A^n v| = |lambda|^n |v| ge |v|$ does not go to $0$ as $n to infty$, which is impossible if $A^n to 0$.

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answered 56 mins ago

Robert IsraelRobert Israel

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answered 56 mins ago

Robert IsraelRobert Israel

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answered 56 mins ago

Robert IsraelRobert Israel

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answered 56 mins ago

Robert IsraelRobert Israel

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Hint

$$A=PJP^-1 \
J=beginbmatrix
lambda_1 & * & 0 & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
0& lambda_2 & * & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n \
endbmatrix$$
where each $*$ is either $0$ or $1$.

Prove by induction that
$$J^m=beginbmatrix
lambda_1^m & star & star & star & star & ... & star \
0& lambda_2^m & star & star & star & ... & star \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n^m \
endbmatrix$$
where the $star$s represent numbers, that is $J^m$ is an upper triangular matrix
with the $m$^th powers of the eigenvalues on the diagonal.

Note The above claim for $J^m$ is not fully using that $J$ is a Jordan cannonical form. It only uses that $J$ is upper triangular.

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answered 1 hour ago

N. S.N. S.

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  So, $A^m = PJ^mP^-1$. If I can show what you're asking by induction, would the limit of $J^m = 0$? I'm sure it is because the diagonal entries are less than one, right?
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  50 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @mXdX Well, that is the point. First $$lim_m J^m= lim_m P^-1 A^m P =0$$ Now, since $lim J^m=0$ you can deduce that the diagonal entries converge to zero, meaning $lambda_j^m to 0$. This implies that $|lambda_j |<1$
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  – N. S.
  45 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  I understand now. Thanks. So I would have to show, like you said, that the diagonal entries of $J^m$ are the $m$th powers of the eigenvalues.
  $endgroup$
  – mXdX
  39 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Hint

$$A=PJP^-1 \
J=beginbmatrix
lambda_1 & * & 0 & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
0& lambda_2 & * & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n \
endbmatrix$$
where each $*$ is either $0$ or $1$.

Prove by induction that
$$J^m=beginbmatrix
lambda_1^m & star & star & star & star & ... & star \
0& lambda_2^m & star & star & star & ... & star \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n^m \
endbmatrix$$
where the $star$s represent numbers, that is $J^m$ is an upper triangular matrix
with the $m$^th powers of the eigenvalues on the diagonal.

Note The above claim for $J^m$ is not fully using that $J$ is a Jordan cannonical form. It only uses that $J$ is upper triangular.

share|cite|improve this answer

answered 1 hour ago

N. S.N. S.

105k7115210

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  So, $A^m = PJ^mP^-1$. If I can show what you're asking by induction, would the limit of $J^m = 0$? I'm sure it is because the diagonal entries are less than one, right?
  $endgroup$
  – mXdX
  50 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @mXdX Well, that is the point. First $$lim_m J^m= lim_m P^-1 A^m P =0$$ Now, since $lim J^m=0$ you can deduce that the diagonal entries converge to zero, meaning $lambda_j^m to 0$. This implies that $|lambda_j |<1$
  $endgroup$
  – N. S.
  45 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  I understand now. Thanks. So I would have to show, like you said, that the diagonal entries of $J^m$ are the $m$th powers of the eigenvalues.
  $endgroup$
  – mXdX
  39 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

Hint

$$A=PJP^-1 \
J=beginbmatrix
lambda_1 & * & 0 & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
0& lambda_2 & * & 0 & 0 & ... & 0 \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n \
endbmatrix$$
where each $*$ is either $0$ or $1$.

Prove by induction that
$$J^m=beginbmatrix
lambda_1^m & star & star & star & star & ... & star \
0& lambda_2^m & star & star & star & ... & star \
...&...&...&...&....&....&....\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0&0&...&lambda_n^m \
endbmatrix$$
where the $star$s represent numbers, that is $J^m$ is an upper triangular matrix
with the $m$^th powers of the eigenvalues on the diagonal.

Note The above claim for $J^m$ is not fully using that $J$ is a Jordan cannonical form. It only uses that $J$ is upper triangular.

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answered 1 hour ago

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