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I did this wiring in my bonus room years ago, and now I'm wondering if it is in fact legal and safe. This is a built-in book case that I built and installed myself. The bookshelf went in over a light switch box, so I moved the light switches with the boxes and cables you see here. I've removed the plastic blank faceplate for the picture. When the faceplate is installed, the two cables come out over the top of the faceplate. The two cables enter the top rear of the box through a cable clamp which you can't see in this picture.
I'm happy to go back and do it right if this doesn't pass muster. I guess my main question is whether the exposed cables are okay.
This is all in North Carolina, US.
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I did this wiring in my bonus room years ago, and now I'm wondering if it is in fact legal and safe. This is a built-in book case that I built and installed myself. The bookshelf went in over a light switch box, so I moved the light switches with the boxes and cables you see here. I've removed the plastic blank faceplate for the picture. When the faceplate is installed, the two cables come out over the top of the faceplate. The two cables enter the top rear of the box through a cable clamp which you can't see in this picture.
I'm happy to go back and do it right if this doesn't pass muster. I guess my main question is whether the exposed cables are okay.
This is all in North Carolina, US.
electrical
New contributor
Is there anything that stops someone from shoving books into the exposed NM cables, thus pinching/crushing them? That's my prime concern with this setup....
– ThreePhaseEel
8 hours ago
@ThreePhaseEel: no, there's nothing covering the exposed NM cables. Maybe I could add some plastic conduit from the left box to the wall?
– TreyGuy
8 hours ago
Can the conduit just stop at the hole in the wall? Is plastic conduit okay here?
– TreyGuy
7 hours ago
add a comment |
I did this wiring in my bonus room years ago, and now I'm wondering if it is in fact legal and safe. This is a built-in book case that I built and installed myself. The bookshelf went in over a light switch box, so I moved the light switches with the boxes and cables you see here. I've removed the plastic blank faceplate for the picture. When the faceplate is installed, the two cables come out over the top of the faceplate. The two cables enter the top rear of the box through a cable clamp which you can't see in this picture.
I'm happy to go back and do it right if this doesn't pass muster. I guess my main question is whether the exposed cables are okay.
This is all in North Carolina, US.
electrical
New contributor
I did this wiring in my bonus room years ago, and now I'm wondering if it is in fact legal and safe. This is a built-in book case that I built and installed myself. The bookshelf went in over a light switch box, so I moved the light switches with the boxes and cables you see here. I've removed the plastic blank faceplate for the picture. When the faceplate is installed, the two cables come out over the top of the faceplate. The two cables enter the top rear of the box through a cable clamp which you can't see in this picture.
I'm happy to go back and do it right if this doesn't pass muster. I guess my main question is whether the exposed cables are okay.
This is all in North Carolina, US.
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Is there anything that stops someone from shoving books into the exposed NM cables, thus pinching/crushing them? That's my prime concern with this setup....
– ThreePhaseEel
8 hours ago
@ThreePhaseEel: no, there's nothing covering the exposed NM cables. Maybe I could add some plastic conduit from the left box to the wall?
– TreyGuy
8 hours ago
Can the conduit just stop at the hole in the wall? Is plastic conduit okay here?
– TreyGuy
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Is there anything that stops someone from shoving books into the exposed NM cables, thus pinching/crushing them? That's my prime concern with this setup....
– ThreePhaseEel
8 hours ago
@ThreePhaseEel: no, there's nothing covering the exposed NM cables. Maybe I could add some plastic conduit from the left box to the wall?
– TreyGuy
8 hours ago
Can the conduit just stop at the hole in the wall? Is plastic conduit okay here?
– TreyGuy
7 hours ago
Is there anything that stops someone from shoving books into the exposed NM cables, thus pinching/crushing them? That's my prime concern with this setup....
– ThreePhaseEel
8 hours ago
Is there anything that stops someone from shoving books into the exposed NM cables, thus pinching/crushing them? That's my prime concern with this setup....
– ThreePhaseEel
8 hours ago
@ThreePhaseEel: no, there's nothing covering the exposed NM cables. Maybe I could add some plastic conduit from the left box to the wall?
– TreyGuy
8 hours ago
@ThreePhaseEel: no, there's nothing covering the exposed NM cables. Maybe I could add some plastic conduit from the left box to the wall?
– TreyGuy
8 hours ago
Can the conduit just stop at the hole in the wall? Is plastic conduit okay here?
– TreyGuy
7 hours ago
Can the conduit just stop at the hole in the wall? Is plastic conduit okay here?
– TreyGuy
7 hours ago
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My concern here would be for physical abuse
Right now, nothing stops those NM cables from getting whacked/pinched/crushed with books and such, especially if you have heavy tomes on your shelves. This could be considered a violation of NEC 334.15(A) or (B):
334.15 Exposed Work. In exposed work, except as provided
in 300.11(A), cable shall be installed as specified in 334.15(A)
through (C).
(A) To Follow Surface. Cable shall closely follow the surface
of the building finish or of running boards.
(B) Protection from Physical Damage. Cable shall be protected from physical damage where necessary by rigid metal
conduit, intermediate metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing,
Schedule 80 PVC conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other approved means. Where passing through a floor,
the cable shall be enclosed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate
metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, Schedule 80 PVC
conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other
approved means extending at least 150 mm (6 in.) above the
floor.
Type NMC cable installed in shallow chases or grooves in
masonry, concrete, or adobe shall be protected in accordance
with the requirements in 300.4(F) and covered with plaster,
adobe, or similar finish.
You have two options to address this
There are two ways to address this issue: you can either replace the NM cables with a wiring method better suited to withstanding said reader-inflicted physical abuse, or you can put something in that will protect the boxes and cables from rough encounters with books while still allowing for access to them. We'll discuss these options in turn.
Making this more rugged
While the normal wiring methods that are used to withstand the NEC's definition of "physical damage" are the various flavors of heavy-duty rigid conduit (RMC, IMC, EMT, Schedule 80 PVC, and RTRC-XW), surface metal raceway is also rated for such a duty, and doesn't suffer from the bending radius issues that other wiring methods in this application would have to deal with.
If you're using Legrand's Wiremold line for this, you'll need:
- Two BW17 right angle raceway-to-1/2" conduit fittings, attached with 1/2" chase nipples and locknuts
- Two BWH6 flat elbows
- A BWH7 inside elbow
- A length of BWH1 raceway
- And a two gang metal extension ring for the old switch box
The idea here is that you use the extension ring instead of the normal starter box (as they don't make one in two gang, and two-gang to one-gang mud rings stick out too far) along with one of the BW17 fittings and associated parts to get the raceway going upward from the gang furthest from the inside corner, then use the two flat elbows and the inside elbow to get around the bend and going back down. Then it's just a matter of using the other BW17 and its friends to transition the wires back into the box.
Once the raceway's in, then, you run individual THHN wires inside it to connect the circuits between the two boxes, just as if you were working in conduit. (The existing NM cables can be tossed, or shucked and their wires kept for pigtail duty, your choice.) Don't forget to plug the knockouts where the cables once entered/exited the boxes!
Using some cabinetry to box the boxes
If you feel yourself a better cabinetmaker than electrician, another option for this situation would be to put a cabinet divider wall in just to the right of this, and then add a cabinet door over the front, maintaining access while protecting the existing assembly from physical abuse or damage. This also has the advantage of being a more finished look, at the cost of having an "un-cabinet" in your house that you can't really use for anything at all. Making it match the existing built-in bookshelves may be a challenge, as well.
Wow, thanks for the very detailed answer! Stay tuned for pics of the completed project.
– TreyGuy
5 hours ago
@TreyGuy -- we upvote and/or accept folks' answers to show our thanks here :)
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I tried upvoting, but it seems I don't have enough cred as a newbie member. I don't see an option for accepting your answer.
– TreyGuy
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I would go a different way here.
First, the original light switch junction box belongs in the actual wall, not pulled out into the cabinets which themselves could pull out of the wall. I would leave a nice big hole in the cabinet which aligns with the switch box.
They make blank steel cover plates for 2-gang boxes... They are fairly small dimensionally, and they have a 1/2" knockout on their face. I'd come out of that into flexible metal conduit, then the FMC into the back of that 2-gang handy-box you nicely installed.
I'd run 5 individual wires - stranded THHN will handle quite nicely, and one color will suffice since they're all hot (I recommend yellow since it takes colored sharpie well)... plus one green ground. Mark both ends with colored electrical tape or a Sharpie so you can distinguish them.
Wire nut them on to the matching wires inside the wall, send them through the tube, and mount the faceplate on the box that is in the actual wall. Then inside your new box, attach the THHN to switches. The ground goes to the ground screw on the handy-box and that's done. If you use stranded you must not use backstabs! Attaching to screws takes a knack; the best option is a "screw-to-clamp" type switch, where you tighten the screw to attach a back wire.
I considered the FMC route, actually -- I felt that the surface metal raceway would offer better protection against damage for this, and I don't think built-in units are going to detach from the wall any time soon if at all adequately fitted...
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I've lived in earthquake country, built-ins anchored into drywall, that would not surprise me. I actually searched the NEMA plugs for an obscure but available xx-15 /3+gnd socket to make a way for it to plug in... But could not find a plug-socket set that was sanely priced.
– Harper
4 hours ago
The cabinets are screwed to the studs, so I really don't think they're going anywhere.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
@Harper -- yeah, the NEMA 14 line starts at 14-20 and goes up from there (and yeah, anchoring built-ins to drywall is a fool's errand in earthquake country IMO)
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
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My concern here would be for physical abuse
Right now, nothing stops those NM cables from getting whacked/pinched/crushed with books and such, especially if you have heavy tomes on your shelves. This could be considered a violation of NEC 334.15(A) or (B):
334.15 Exposed Work. In exposed work, except as provided
in 300.11(A), cable shall be installed as specified in 334.15(A)
through (C).
(A) To Follow Surface. Cable shall closely follow the surface
of the building finish or of running boards.
(B) Protection from Physical Damage. Cable shall be protected from physical damage where necessary by rigid metal
conduit, intermediate metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing,
Schedule 80 PVC conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other approved means. Where passing through a floor,
the cable shall be enclosed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate
metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, Schedule 80 PVC
conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other
approved means extending at least 150 mm (6 in.) above the
floor.
Type NMC cable installed in shallow chases or grooves in
masonry, concrete, or adobe shall be protected in accordance
with the requirements in 300.4(F) and covered with plaster,
adobe, or similar finish.
You have two options to address this
There are two ways to address this issue: you can either replace the NM cables with a wiring method better suited to withstanding said reader-inflicted physical abuse, or you can put something in that will protect the boxes and cables from rough encounters with books while still allowing for access to them. We'll discuss these options in turn.
Making this more rugged
While the normal wiring methods that are used to withstand the NEC's definition of "physical damage" are the various flavors of heavy-duty rigid conduit (RMC, IMC, EMT, Schedule 80 PVC, and RTRC-XW), surface metal raceway is also rated for such a duty, and doesn't suffer from the bending radius issues that other wiring methods in this application would have to deal with.
If you're using Legrand's Wiremold line for this, you'll need:
- Two BW17 right angle raceway-to-1/2" conduit fittings, attached with 1/2" chase nipples and locknuts
- Two BWH6 flat elbows
- A BWH7 inside elbow
- A length of BWH1 raceway
- And a two gang metal extension ring for the old switch box
The idea here is that you use the extension ring instead of the normal starter box (as they don't make one in two gang, and two-gang to one-gang mud rings stick out too far) along with one of the BW17 fittings and associated parts to get the raceway going upward from the gang furthest from the inside corner, then use the two flat elbows and the inside elbow to get around the bend and going back down. Then it's just a matter of using the other BW17 and its friends to transition the wires back into the box.
Once the raceway's in, then, you run individual THHN wires inside it to connect the circuits between the two boxes, just as if you were working in conduit. (The existing NM cables can be tossed, or shucked and their wires kept for pigtail duty, your choice.) Don't forget to plug the knockouts where the cables once entered/exited the boxes!
Using some cabinetry to box the boxes
If you feel yourself a better cabinetmaker than electrician, another option for this situation would be to put a cabinet divider wall in just to the right of this, and then add a cabinet door over the front, maintaining access while protecting the existing assembly from physical abuse or damage. This also has the advantage of being a more finished look, at the cost of having an "un-cabinet" in your house that you can't really use for anything at all. Making it match the existing built-in bookshelves may be a challenge, as well.
Wow, thanks for the very detailed answer! Stay tuned for pics of the completed project.
– TreyGuy
5 hours ago
@TreyGuy -- we upvote and/or accept folks' answers to show our thanks here :)
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I tried upvoting, but it seems I don't have enough cred as a newbie member. I don't see an option for accepting your answer.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
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– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
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My concern here would be for physical abuse
Right now, nothing stops those NM cables from getting whacked/pinched/crushed with books and such, especially if you have heavy tomes on your shelves. This could be considered a violation of NEC 334.15(A) or (B):
334.15 Exposed Work. In exposed work, except as provided
in 300.11(A), cable shall be installed as specified in 334.15(A)
through (C).
(A) To Follow Surface. Cable shall closely follow the surface
of the building finish or of running boards.
(B) Protection from Physical Damage. Cable shall be protected from physical damage where necessary by rigid metal
conduit, intermediate metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing,
Schedule 80 PVC conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other approved means. Where passing through a floor,
the cable shall be enclosed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate
metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, Schedule 80 PVC
conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other
approved means extending at least 150 mm (6 in.) above the
floor.
Type NMC cable installed in shallow chases or grooves in
masonry, concrete, or adobe shall be protected in accordance
with the requirements in 300.4(F) and covered with plaster,
adobe, or similar finish.
You have two options to address this
There are two ways to address this issue: you can either replace the NM cables with a wiring method better suited to withstanding said reader-inflicted physical abuse, or you can put something in that will protect the boxes and cables from rough encounters with books while still allowing for access to them. We'll discuss these options in turn.
Making this more rugged
While the normal wiring methods that are used to withstand the NEC's definition of "physical damage" are the various flavors of heavy-duty rigid conduit (RMC, IMC, EMT, Schedule 80 PVC, and RTRC-XW), surface metal raceway is also rated for such a duty, and doesn't suffer from the bending radius issues that other wiring methods in this application would have to deal with.
If you're using Legrand's Wiremold line for this, you'll need:
- Two BW17 right angle raceway-to-1/2" conduit fittings, attached with 1/2" chase nipples and locknuts
- Two BWH6 flat elbows
- A BWH7 inside elbow
- A length of BWH1 raceway
- And a two gang metal extension ring for the old switch box
The idea here is that you use the extension ring instead of the normal starter box (as they don't make one in two gang, and two-gang to one-gang mud rings stick out too far) along with one of the BW17 fittings and associated parts to get the raceway going upward from the gang furthest from the inside corner, then use the two flat elbows and the inside elbow to get around the bend and going back down. Then it's just a matter of using the other BW17 and its friends to transition the wires back into the box.
Once the raceway's in, then, you run individual THHN wires inside it to connect the circuits between the two boxes, just as if you were working in conduit. (The existing NM cables can be tossed, or shucked and their wires kept for pigtail duty, your choice.) Don't forget to plug the knockouts where the cables once entered/exited the boxes!
Using some cabinetry to box the boxes
If you feel yourself a better cabinetmaker than electrician, another option for this situation would be to put a cabinet divider wall in just to the right of this, and then add a cabinet door over the front, maintaining access while protecting the existing assembly from physical abuse or damage. This also has the advantage of being a more finished look, at the cost of having an "un-cabinet" in your house that you can't really use for anything at all. Making it match the existing built-in bookshelves may be a challenge, as well.
Wow, thanks for the very detailed answer! Stay tuned for pics of the completed project.
– TreyGuy
5 hours ago
@TreyGuy -- we upvote and/or accept folks' answers to show our thanks here :)
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I tried upvoting, but it seems I don't have enough cred as a newbie member. I don't see an option for accepting your answer.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
@TreyGuy -- it's the greyed check below the vote arrows
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
add a comment |
My concern here would be for physical abuse
Right now, nothing stops those NM cables from getting whacked/pinched/crushed with books and such, especially if you have heavy tomes on your shelves. This could be considered a violation of NEC 334.15(A) or (B):
334.15 Exposed Work. In exposed work, except as provided
in 300.11(A), cable shall be installed as specified in 334.15(A)
through (C).
(A) To Follow Surface. Cable shall closely follow the surface
of the building finish or of running boards.
(B) Protection from Physical Damage. Cable shall be protected from physical damage where necessary by rigid metal
conduit, intermediate metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing,
Schedule 80 PVC conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other approved means. Where passing through a floor,
the cable shall be enclosed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate
metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, Schedule 80 PVC
conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other
approved means extending at least 150 mm (6 in.) above the
floor.
Type NMC cable installed in shallow chases or grooves in
masonry, concrete, or adobe shall be protected in accordance
with the requirements in 300.4(F) and covered with plaster,
adobe, or similar finish.
You have two options to address this
There are two ways to address this issue: you can either replace the NM cables with a wiring method better suited to withstanding said reader-inflicted physical abuse, or you can put something in that will protect the boxes and cables from rough encounters with books while still allowing for access to them. We'll discuss these options in turn.
Making this more rugged
While the normal wiring methods that are used to withstand the NEC's definition of "physical damage" are the various flavors of heavy-duty rigid conduit (RMC, IMC, EMT, Schedule 80 PVC, and RTRC-XW), surface metal raceway is also rated for such a duty, and doesn't suffer from the bending radius issues that other wiring methods in this application would have to deal with.
If you're using Legrand's Wiremold line for this, you'll need:
- Two BW17 right angle raceway-to-1/2" conduit fittings, attached with 1/2" chase nipples and locknuts
- Two BWH6 flat elbows
- A BWH7 inside elbow
- A length of BWH1 raceway
- And a two gang metal extension ring for the old switch box
The idea here is that you use the extension ring instead of the normal starter box (as they don't make one in two gang, and two-gang to one-gang mud rings stick out too far) along with one of the BW17 fittings and associated parts to get the raceway going upward from the gang furthest from the inside corner, then use the two flat elbows and the inside elbow to get around the bend and going back down. Then it's just a matter of using the other BW17 and its friends to transition the wires back into the box.
Once the raceway's in, then, you run individual THHN wires inside it to connect the circuits between the two boxes, just as if you were working in conduit. (The existing NM cables can be tossed, or shucked and their wires kept for pigtail duty, your choice.) Don't forget to plug the knockouts where the cables once entered/exited the boxes!
Using some cabinetry to box the boxes
If you feel yourself a better cabinetmaker than electrician, another option for this situation would be to put a cabinet divider wall in just to the right of this, and then add a cabinet door over the front, maintaining access while protecting the existing assembly from physical abuse or damage. This also has the advantage of being a more finished look, at the cost of having an "un-cabinet" in your house that you can't really use for anything at all. Making it match the existing built-in bookshelves may be a challenge, as well.
My concern here would be for physical abuse
Right now, nothing stops those NM cables from getting whacked/pinched/crushed with books and such, especially if you have heavy tomes on your shelves. This could be considered a violation of NEC 334.15(A) or (B):
334.15 Exposed Work. In exposed work, except as provided
in 300.11(A), cable shall be installed as specified in 334.15(A)
through (C).
(A) To Follow Surface. Cable shall closely follow the surface
of the building finish or of running boards.
(B) Protection from Physical Damage. Cable shall be protected from physical damage where necessary by rigid metal
conduit, intermediate metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing,
Schedule 80 PVC conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other approved means. Where passing through a floor,
the cable shall be enclosed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate
metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, Schedule 80 PVC
conduit, Type RTRC marked with the suffix -XW, or other
approved means extending at least 150 mm (6 in.) above the
floor.
Type NMC cable installed in shallow chases or grooves in
masonry, concrete, or adobe shall be protected in accordance
with the requirements in 300.4(F) and covered with plaster,
adobe, or similar finish.
You have two options to address this
There are two ways to address this issue: you can either replace the NM cables with a wiring method better suited to withstanding said reader-inflicted physical abuse, or you can put something in that will protect the boxes and cables from rough encounters with books while still allowing for access to them. We'll discuss these options in turn.
Making this more rugged
While the normal wiring methods that are used to withstand the NEC's definition of "physical damage" are the various flavors of heavy-duty rigid conduit (RMC, IMC, EMT, Schedule 80 PVC, and RTRC-XW), surface metal raceway is also rated for such a duty, and doesn't suffer from the bending radius issues that other wiring methods in this application would have to deal with.
If you're using Legrand's Wiremold line for this, you'll need:
- Two BW17 right angle raceway-to-1/2" conduit fittings, attached with 1/2" chase nipples and locknuts
- Two BWH6 flat elbows
- A BWH7 inside elbow
- A length of BWH1 raceway
- And a two gang metal extension ring for the old switch box
The idea here is that you use the extension ring instead of the normal starter box (as they don't make one in two gang, and two-gang to one-gang mud rings stick out too far) along with one of the BW17 fittings and associated parts to get the raceway going upward from the gang furthest from the inside corner, then use the two flat elbows and the inside elbow to get around the bend and going back down. Then it's just a matter of using the other BW17 and its friends to transition the wires back into the box.
Once the raceway's in, then, you run individual THHN wires inside it to connect the circuits between the two boxes, just as if you were working in conduit. (The existing NM cables can be tossed, or shucked and their wires kept for pigtail duty, your choice.) Don't forget to plug the knockouts where the cables once entered/exited the boxes!
Using some cabinetry to box the boxes
If you feel yourself a better cabinetmaker than electrician, another option for this situation would be to put a cabinet divider wall in just to the right of this, and then add a cabinet door over the front, maintaining access while protecting the existing assembly from physical abuse or damage. This also has the advantage of being a more finished look, at the cost of having an "un-cabinet" in your house that you can't really use for anything at all. Making it match the existing built-in bookshelves may be a challenge, as well.
answered 6 hours ago
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Wow, thanks for the very detailed answer! Stay tuned for pics of the completed project.
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Wow, thanks for the very detailed answer! Stay tuned for pics of the completed project.
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I would go a different way here.
First, the original light switch junction box belongs in the actual wall, not pulled out into the cabinets which themselves could pull out of the wall. I would leave a nice big hole in the cabinet which aligns with the switch box.
They make blank steel cover plates for 2-gang boxes... They are fairly small dimensionally, and they have a 1/2" knockout on their face. I'd come out of that into flexible metal conduit, then the FMC into the back of that 2-gang handy-box you nicely installed.
I'd run 5 individual wires - stranded THHN will handle quite nicely, and one color will suffice since they're all hot (I recommend yellow since it takes colored sharpie well)... plus one green ground. Mark both ends with colored electrical tape or a Sharpie so you can distinguish them.
Wire nut them on to the matching wires inside the wall, send them through the tube, and mount the faceplate on the box that is in the actual wall. Then inside your new box, attach the THHN to switches. The ground goes to the ground screw on the handy-box and that's done. If you use stranded you must not use backstabs! Attaching to screws takes a knack; the best option is a "screw-to-clamp" type switch, where you tighten the screw to attach a back wire.
I considered the FMC route, actually -- I felt that the surface metal raceway would offer better protection against damage for this, and I don't think built-in units are going to detach from the wall any time soon if at all adequately fitted...
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I've lived in earthquake country, built-ins anchored into drywall, that would not surprise me. I actually searched the NEMA plugs for an obscure but available xx-15 /3+gnd socket to make a way for it to plug in... But could not find a plug-socket set that was sanely priced.
– Harper
4 hours ago
The cabinets are screwed to the studs, so I really don't think they're going anywhere.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
@Harper -- yeah, the NEMA 14 line starts at 14-20 and goes up from there (and yeah, anchoring built-ins to drywall is a fool's errand in earthquake country IMO)
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
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I would go a different way here.
First, the original light switch junction box belongs in the actual wall, not pulled out into the cabinets which themselves could pull out of the wall. I would leave a nice big hole in the cabinet which aligns with the switch box.
They make blank steel cover plates for 2-gang boxes... They are fairly small dimensionally, and they have a 1/2" knockout on their face. I'd come out of that into flexible metal conduit, then the FMC into the back of that 2-gang handy-box you nicely installed.
I'd run 5 individual wires - stranded THHN will handle quite nicely, and one color will suffice since they're all hot (I recommend yellow since it takes colored sharpie well)... plus one green ground. Mark both ends with colored electrical tape or a Sharpie so you can distinguish them.
Wire nut them on to the matching wires inside the wall, send them through the tube, and mount the faceplate on the box that is in the actual wall. Then inside your new box, attach the THHN to switches. The ground goes to the ground screw on the handy-box and that's done. If you use stranded you must not use backstabs! Attaching to screws takes a knack; the best option is a "screw-to-clamp" type switch, where you tighten the screw to attach a back wire.
I considered the FMC route, actually -- I felt that the surface metal raceway would offer better protection against damage for this, and I don't think built-in units are going to detach from the wall any time soon if at all adequately fitted...
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I've lived in earthquake country, built-ins anchored into drywall, that would not surprise me. I actually searched the NEMA plugs for an obscure but available xx-15 /3+gnd socket to make a way for it to plug in... But could not find a plug-socket set that was sanely priced.
– Harper
4 hours ago
The cabinets are screwed to the studs, so I really don't think they're going anywhere.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
@Harper -- yeah, the NEMA 14 line starts at 14-20 and goes up from there (and yeah, anchoring built-ins to drywall is a fool's errand in earthquake country IMO)
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I would go a different way here.
First, the original light switch junction box belongs in the actual wall, not pulled out into the cabinets which themselves could pull out of the wall. I would leave a nice big hole in the cabinet which aligns with the switch box.
They make blank steel cover plates for 2-gang boxes... They are fairly small dimensionally, and they have a 1/2" knockout on their face. I'd come out of that into flexible metal conduit, then the FMC into the back of that 2-gang handy-box you nicely installed.
I'd run 5 individual wires - stranded THHN will handle quite nicely, and one color will suffice since they're all hot (I recommend yellow since it takes colored sharpie well)... plus one green ground. Mark both ends with colored electrical tape or a Sharpie so you can distinguish them.
Wire nut them on to the matching wires inside the wall, send them through the tube, and mount the faceplate on the box that is in the actual wall. Then inside your new box, attach the THHN to switches. The ground goes to the ground screw on the handy-box and that's done. If you use stranded you must not use backstabs! Attaching to screws takes a knack; the best option is a "screw-to-clamp" type switch, where you tighten the screw to attach a back wire.
I would go a different way here.
First, the original light switch junction box belongs in the actual wall, not pulled out into the cabinets which themselves could pull out of the wall. I would leave a nice big hole in the cabinet which aligns with the switch box.
They make blank steel cover plates for 2-gang boxes... They are fairly small dimensionally, and they have a 1/2" knockout on their face. I'd come out of that into flexible metal conduit, then the FMC into the back of that 2-gang handy-box you nicely installed.
I'd run 5 individual wires - stranded THHN will handle quite nicely, and one color will suffice since they're all hot (I recommend yellow since it takes colored sharpie well)... plus one green ground. Mark both ends with colored electrical tape or a Sharpie so you can distinguish them.
Wire nut them on to the matching wires inside the wall, send them through the tube, and mount the faceplate on the box that is in the actual wall. Then inside your new box, attach the THHN to switches. The ground goes to the ground screw on the handy-box and that's done. If you use stranded you must not use backstabs! Attaching to screws takes a knack; the best option is a "screw-to-clamp" type switch, where you tighten the screw to attach a back wire.
answered 5 hours ago
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I considered the FMC route, actually -- I felt that the surface metal raceway would offer better protection against damage for this, and I don't think built-in units are going to detach from the wall any time soon if at all adequately fitted...
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I've lived in earthquake country, built-ins anchored into drywall, that would not surprise me. I actually searched the NEMA plugs for an obscure but available xx-15 /3+gnd socket to make a way for it to plug in... But could not find a plug-socket set that was sanely priced.
– Harper
4 hours ago
The cabinets are screwed to the studs, so I really don't think they're going anywhere.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
@Harper -- yeah, the NEMA 14 line starts at 14-20 and goes up from there (and yeah, anchoring built-ins to drywall is a fool's errand in earthquake country IMO)
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I considered the FMC route, actually -- I felt that the surface metal raceway would offer better protection against damage for this, and I don't think built-in units are going to detach from the wall any time soon if at all adequately fitted...
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I've lived in earthquake country, built-ins anchored into drywall, that would not surprise me. I actually searched the NEMA plugs for an obscure but available xx-15 /3+gnd socket to make a way for it to plug in... But could not find a plug-socket set that was sanely priced.
– Harper
4 hours ago
The cabinets are screwed to the studs, so I really don't think they're going anywhere.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
@Harper -- yeah, the NEMA 14 line starts at 14-20 and goes up from there (and yeah, anchoring built-ins to drywall is a fool's errand in earthquake country IMO)
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
I considered the FMC route, actually -- I felt that the surface metal raceway would offer better protection against damage for this, and I don't think built-in units are going to detach from the wall any time soon if at all adequately fitted...
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I considered the FMC route, actually -- I felt that the surface metal raceway would offer better protection against damage for this, and I don't think built-in units are going to detach from the wall any time soon if at all adequately fitted...
– ThreePhaseEel
5 hours ago
I've lived in earthquake country, built-ins anchored into drywall, that would not surprise me. I actually searched the NEMA plugs for an obscure but available xx-15 /3+gnd socket to make a way for it to plug in... But could not find a plug-socket set that was sanely priced.
– Harper
4 hours ago
I've lived in earthquake country, built-ins anchored into drywall, that would not surprise me. I actually searched the NEMA plugs for an obscure but available xx-15 /3+gnd socket to make a way for it to plug in... But could not find a plug-socket set that was sanely priced.
– Harper
4 hours ago
The cabinets are screwed to the studs, so I really don't think they're going anywhere.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
The cabinets are screwed to the studs, so I really don't think they're going anywhere.
– TreyGuy
4 hours ago
@Harper -- yeah, the NEMA 14 line starts at 14-20 and goes up from there (and yeah, anchoring built-ins to drywall is a fool's errand in earthquake country IMO)
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
@Harper -- yeah, the NEMA 14 line starts at 14-20 and goes up from there (and yeah, anchoring built-ins to drywall is a fool's errand in earthquake country IMO)
– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago
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Is there anything that stops someone from shoving books into the exposed NM cables, thus pinching/crushing them? That's my prime concern with this setup....
– ThreePhaseEel
8 hours ago
@ThreePhaseEel: no, there's nothing covering the exposed NM cables. Maybe I could add some plastic conduit from the left box to the wall?
– TreyGuy
8 hours ago
Can the conduit just stop at the hole in the wall? Is plastic conduit okay here?
– TreyGuy
7 hours ago