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What is the indigenous Russian word for a wild boar?
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I recently accidentally discovered that the Russians call wild boars by a word borrowed from Turkic languages - "кабан." The etymological dictionary by Preobrazhensky clearly states:
Заимств. из тюрк.: сѣврнтюрк. кабан.тат.-азерб. кирг. тж.
My humble feeling is that it is a shame that in the Russian language such a rudely sounding Turkic word is used for such a cute harmless non-predatory animal that was always widespread in historically Russian forests. My perception of the rudeness of this word well may be wrong, but it sounds rude to me because of the ending ан, which, for example, converts the neutral word "старик" to the rude word "старикан." I wonder how your powerful language could borrow a Turkic word for an animal native to your own historical lands. It is your animal.
This made me wonder what the original Russian word for a wild boar is. The Russians must have somehow called such a widespread animal before the word "кабан" was borrowed. I have a feeling that the original Russian word for a wild boar must sound in a very nice Slavic manner, at least better than the word "кабан" does.
I searched in Google and looked in various dictionaries, but could not find anything. Being unable to resolve the mystery on my own, I decided to ask here.
My question is this: What is, or was, the indigenous Russian word for a wild boar, and can I use this word in modern Russian? Какое есть (или было) исконное русское слово для кабана, и могу ли я использовать это слово в современном русском языке?`
I am also curious why the Turkic word "кабан" won and became the standard Russian word for a wild boar.
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I recently accidentally discovered that the Russians call wild boars by a word borrowed from Turkic languages - "кабан." The etymological dictionary by Preobrazhensky clearly states:
Заимств. из тюрк.: сѣврнтюрк. кабан.тат.-азерб. кирг. тж.
My humble feeling is that it is a shame that in the Russian language such a rudely sounding Turkic word is used for such a cute harmless non-predatory animal that was always widespread in historically Russian forests. My perception of the rudeness of this word well may be wrong, but it sounds rude to me because of the ending ан, which, for example, converts the neutral word "старик" to the rude word "старикан." I wonder how your powerful language could borrow a Turkic word for an animal native to your own historical lands. It is your animal.
This made me wonder what the original Russian word for a wild boar is. The Russians must have somehow called such a widespread animal before the word "кабан" was borrowed. I have a feeling that the original Russian word for a wild boar must sound in a very nice Slavic manner, at least better than the word "кабан" does.
I searched in Google and looked in various dictionaries, but could not find anything. Being unable to resolve the mystery on my own, I decided to ask here.
My question is this: What is, or was, the indigenous Russian word for a wild boar, and can I use this word in modern Russian? Какое есть (или было) исконное русское слово для кабана, и могу ли я использовать это слово в современном русском языке?`
I am also curious why the Turkic word "кабан" won and became the standard Russian word for a wild boar.
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And just FYI, старикан is not rude actually. Very informal, yes, but not necessary rude (e.g. you'll find many entries like милый старикан/славный старикан etc.). Either way, your perception of rudeness of the ан ending in Russian is quite artificial, native speakers don't have such (Probably it's influenced by something in your native?).
– seven-phases-max
6 hours ago
@seven-phases-max Стругацкие (Аркадий владел японским) подсказывают, что "кабан" это "портфель" по-японски. Вроде ничего грубого... Mitsuko, в слове "стакан" тоже ничего грубого русскоязычными не ощущается. Другое дело, "болван" и "баран", но окончание "ан" тут ни при чём.
– tum_
27 mins ago
It's not that certain syllables or sounds may sound rude; usually, it's the meaning of a suffix or another part that changes the flavour. Say, the diminutive suffix -к- (e.g. машина -> машинка), when applied to humans, may be perceived mildly derogatory or at least informal (Лена -> Ленка) (in Russian: in some other Slavic languages this is actually the standard form). By itself, -к- is pretty neutral (cf: рука). Now, my point is that -ан in "кабан" is not a suffix; it's part of the stem, and so comparison with "старикан" is invalid.
– Zeus
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I recently accidentally discovered that the Russians call wild boars by a word borrowed from Turkic languages - "кабан." The etymological dictionary by Preobrazhensky clearly states:
Заимств. из тюрк.: сѣврнтюрк. кабан.тат.-азерб. кирг. тж.
My humble feeling is that it is a shame that in the Russian language such a rudely sounding Turkic word is used for such a cute harmless non-predatory animal that was always widespread in historically Russian forests. My perception of the rudeness of this word well may be wrong, but it sounds rude to me because of the ending ан, which, for example, converts the neutral word "старик" to the rude word "старикан." I wonder how your powerful language could borrow a Turkic word for an animal native to your own historical lands. It is your animal.
This made me wonder what the original Russian word for a wild boar is. The Russians must have somehow called such a widespread animal before the word "кабан" was borrowed. I have a feeling that the original Russian word for a wild boar must sound in a very nice Slavic manner, at least better than the word "кабан" does.
I searched in Google and looked in various dictionaries, but could not find anything. Being unable to resolve the mystery on my own, I decided to ask here.
My question is this: What is, or was, the indigenous Russian word for a wild boar, and can I use this word in modern Russian? Какое есть (или было) исконное русское слово для кабана, и могу ли я использовать это слово в современном русском языке?`
I am also curious why the Turkic word "кабан" won and became the standard Russian word for a wild boar.
значения выбор-слова этимология
asked 8 hours ago
MitsukoMitsuko
9451519
I recently accidentally discovered that the Russians call wild boars by a word borrowed from Turkic languages - "кабан." The etymological dictionary by Preobrazhensky clearly states:
Заимств. из тюрк.: сѣврнтюрк. кабан.тат.-азерб. кирг. тж.
My humble feeling is that it is a shame that in the Russian language such a rudely sounding Turkic word is used for such a cute harmless non-predatory animal that was always widespread in historically Russian forests. My perception of the rudeness of this word well may be wrong, but it sounds rude to me because of the ending ан, which, for example, converts the neutral word "старик" to the rude word "старикан." I wonder how your powerful language could borrow a Turkic word for an animal native to your own historical lands. It is your animal.
This made me wonder what the original Russian word for a wild boar is. The Russians must have somehow called such a widespread animal before the word "кабан" was borrowed. I have a feeling that the original Russian word for a wild boar must sound in a very nice Slavic manner, at least better than the word "кабан" does.
I searched in Google and looked in various dictionaries, but could not find anything. Being unable to resolve the mystery on my own, I decided to ask here.
My question is this: What is, or was, the indigenous Russian word for a wild boar, and can I use this word in modern Russian? Какое есть (или было) исконное русское слово для кабана, и могу ли я использовать это слово в современном русском языке?`
I am also curious why the Turkic word "кабан" won and became the standard Russian word for a wild boar.
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And just FYI, старикан is not rude actually. Very informal, yes, but not necessary rude (e.g. you'll find many entries like милый старикан/славный старикан etc.). Either way, your perception of rudeness of the ан ending in Russian is quite artificial, native speakers don't have such (Probably it's influenced by something in your native?).
– seven-phases-max
6 hours ago
@seven-phases-max Стругацкие (Аркадий владел японским) подсказывают, что "кабан" это "портфель" по-японски. Вроде ничего грубого... Mitsuko, в слове "стакан" тоже ничего грубого русскоязычными не ощущается. Другое дело, "болван" и "баран", но окончание "ан" тут ни при чём.
– tum_
27 mins ago
It's not that certain syllables or sounds may sound rude; usually, it's the meaning of a suffix or another part that changes the flavour. Say, the diminutive suffix -к- (e.g. машина -> машинка), when applied to humans, may be perceived mildly derogatory or at least informal (Лена -> Ленка) (in Russian: in some other Slavic languages this is actually the standard form). By itself, -к- is pretty neutral (cf: рука). Now, my point is that -ан in "кабан" is not a suffix; it's part of the stem, and so comparison with "старикан" is invalid.
– Zeus
16 mins ago
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And just FYI, старикан is not rude actually. Very informal, yes, but not necessary rude (e.g. you'll find many entries like милый старикан/славный старикан etc.). Either way, your perception of rudeness of the ан ending in Russian is quite artificial, native speakers don't have such (Probably it's influenced by something in your native?).
– seven-phases-max
6 hours ago
@seven-phases-max Стругацкие (Аркадий владел японским) подсказывают, что "кабан" это "портфель" по-японски. Вроде ничего грубого... Mitsuko, в слове "стакан" тоже ничего грубого русскоязычными не ощущается. Другое дело, "болван" и "баран", но окончание "ан" тут ни при чём.
– tum_
27 mins ago
It's not that certain syllables or sounds may sound rude; usually, it's the meaning of a suffix or another part that changes the flavour. Say, the diminutive suffix -к- (e.g. машина -> машинка), when applied to humans, may be perceived mildly derogatory or at least informal (Лена -> Ленка) (in Russian: in some other Slavic languages this is actually the standard form). By itself, -к- is pretty neutral (cf: рука). Now, my point is that -ан in "кабан" is not a suffix; it's part of the stem, and so comparison with "старикан" is invalid.
– Zeus
16 mins ago
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And just FYI, старикан is not rude actually. Very informal, yes, but not necessary rude (e.g. you'll find many entries like милый старикан/славный старикан etc.). Either way, your perception of rudeness of the ан ending in Russian is quite artificial, native speakers don't have such (Probably it's influenced by something in your native?).
– seven-phases-max
6 hours ago
And just FYI, старикан is not rude actually. Very informal, yes, but not necessary rude (e.g. you'll find many entries like милый старикан/славный старикан etc.). Either way, your perception of rudeness of the ан ending in Russian is quite artificial, native speakers don't have such (Probably it's influenced by something in your native?).
– seven-phases-max
6 hours ago
@seven-phases-max Стругацкие (Аркадий владел японским) подсказывают, что "кабан" это "портфель" по-японски. Вроде ничего грубого... Mitsuko, в слове "стакан" тоже ничего грубого русскоязычными не ощущается. Другое дело, "болван" и "баран", но окончание "ан" тут ни при чём.
– tum_
27 mins ago
@seven-phases-max Стругацкие (Аркадий владел японским) подсказывают, что "кабан" это "портфель" по-японски. Вроде ничего грубого... Mitsuko, в слове "стакан" тоже ничего грубого русскоязычными не ощущается. Другое дело, "болван" и "баран", но окончание "ан" тут ни при чём.
– tum_
27 mins ago
It's not that certain syllables or sounds may sound rude; usually, it's the meaning of a suffix or another part that changes the flavour. Say, the diminutive suffix -к- (e.g. машина -> машинка), when applied to humans, may be perceived mildly derogatory or at least informal (Лена -> Ленка) (in Russian: in some other Slavic languages this is actually the standard form). By itself, -к- is pretty neutral (cf: рука). Now, my point is that -ан in "кабан" is not a suffix; it's part of the stem, and so comparison with "старикан" is invalid.
– Zeus
16 mins ago
It's not that certain syllables or sounds may sound rude; usually, it's the meaning of a suffix or another part that changes the flavour. Say, the diminutive suffix -к- (e.g. машина -> машинка), when applied to humans, may be perceived mildly derogatory or at least informal (Лена -> Ленка) (in Russian: in some other Slavic languages this is actually the standard form). By itself, -к- is pretty neutral (cf: рука). Now, my point is that -ан in "кабан" is not a suffix; it's part of the stem, and so comparison with "старикан" is invalid.
– Zeus
16 mins ago
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You are probably looking for “вепрь”. While understandable to a modern Russian speaker, it still has an air of “fairytale-ness”. I personally would just use “кабан”. I don't know how and why “кабан” got more popular in common speech, and I'm not sure, if there even is a reason.
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Use the word "кабан".Many of us have already forgotten the word "вепрь"
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You are probably looking for “вепрь”. While understandable to a modern Russian speaker, it still has an air of “fairytale-ness”. I personally would just use “кабан”. I don't know how and why “кабан” got more popular in common speech, and I'm not sure, if there even is a reason.
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You are probably looking for “вепрь”. While understandable to a modern Russian speaker, it still has an air of “fairytale-ness”. I personally would just use “кабан”. I don't know how and why “кабан” got more popular in common speech, and I'm not sure, if there even is a reason.
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You are probably looking for “вепрь”. While understandable to a modern Russian speaker, it still has an air of “fairytale-ness”. I personally would just use “кабан”. I don't know how and why “кабан” got more popular in common speech, and I'm not sure, if there even is a reason.
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You are probably looking for “вепрь”. While understandable to a modern Russian speaker, it still has an air of “fairytale-ness”. I personally would just use “кабан”. I don't know how and why “кабан” got more popular in common speech, and I'm not sure, if there even is a reason.
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And just FYI, старикан is not rude actually. Very informal, yes, but not necessary rude (e.g. you'll find many entries like милый старикан/славный старикан etc.). Either way, your perception of rudeness of the ан ending in Russian is quite artificial, native speakers don't have such (Probably it's influenced by something in your native?).
– seven-phases-max
6 hours ago
@seven-phases-max Стругацкие (Аркадий владел японским) подсказывают, что "кабан" это "портфель" по-японски. Вроде ничего грубого... Mitsuko, в слове "стакан" тоже ничего грубого русскоязычными не ощущается. Другое дело, "болван" и "баран", но окончание "ан" тут ни при чём.
– tum_
27 mins ago
It's not that certain syllables or sounds may sound rude; usually, it's the meaning of a suffix or another part that changes the flavour. Say, the diminutive suffix -к- (e.g. машина -> машинка), when applied to humans, may be perceived mildly derogatory or at least informal (Лена -> Ленка) (in Russian: in some other Slavic languages this is actually the standard form). By itself, -к- is pretty neutral (cf: рука). Now, my point is that -ан in "кабан" is not a suffix; it's part of the stem, and so comparison with "старикан" is invalid.
– Zeus
16 mins ago