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Does ultrasonic bath cleaning damage laboratory volumetric glassware calibration?


How to get meniscus down to the calibration mark with a volumetric pipette






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As an analytical chemist, I'm always ensuring my glassware is thoroughly clean before I start an analysis. However, my supervisor always states that using ultrasonic bath to clean volumetric glassware damages its calibration, rendering it imprecise for analytical usage. Does that hold true, or is it okay to use an ultrasonic cleaner?










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    Unless it fractured the glassware I don’t see the issue.
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    I sometimes sonicate volumetrics to help dissolution for a short period. However, I am actually curious about the following test, which I vaguely recall (and therefore could be wrong). If we make up the volume exactly to mark, and then sonicate, what happens to meniscus? It goes down slightly below the mark temporarily. This could be from local heating of the glass. Glass and solutions do heat up during sonication.
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As an analytical chemist, I'm always ensuring my glassware is thoroughly clean before I start an analysis. However, my supervisor always states that using ultrasonic bath to clean volumetric glassware damages its calibration, rendering it imprecise for analytical usage. Does that hold true, or is it okay to use an ultrasonic cleaner?










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    Unless it fractured the glassware I don’t see the issue.
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    I sometimes sonicate volumetrics to help dissolution for a short period. However, I am actually curious about the following test, which I vaguely recall (and therefore could be wrong). If we make up the volume exactly to mark, and then sonicate, what happens to meniscus? It goes down slightly below the mark temporarily. This could be from local heating of the glass. Glass and solutions do heat up during sonication.
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As an analytical chemist, I'm always ensuring my glassware is thoroughly clean before I start an analysis. However, my supervisor always states that using ultrasonic bath to clean volumetric glassware damages its calibration, rendering it imprecise for analytical usage. Does that hold true, or is it okay to use an ultrasonic cleaner?










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As an analytical chemist, I'm always ensuring my glassware is thoroughly clean before I start an analysis. However, my supervisor always states that using ultrasonic bath to clean volumetric glassware damages its calibration, rendering it imprecise for analytical usage. Does that hold true, or is it okay to use an ultrasonic cleaner?







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    Unless it fractured the glassware I don’t see the issue.
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    – Jon Custer
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  • $begingroup$
    I sometimes sonicate volumetrics to help dissolution for a short period. However, I am actually curious about the following test, which I vaguely recall (and therefore could be wrong). If we make up the volume exactly to mark, and then sonicate, what happens to meniscus? It goes down slightly below the mark temporarily. This could be from local heating of the glass. Glass and solutions do heat up during sonication.
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    – M. Farooq
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    Unless it fractured the glassware I don’t see the issue.
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    – Jon Custer
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    I sometimes sonicate volumetrics to help dissolution for a short period. However, I am actually curious about the following test, which I vaguely recall (and therefore could be wrong). If we make up the volume exactly to mark, and then sonicate, what happens to meniscus? It goes down slightly below the mark temporarily. This could be from local heating of the glass. Glass and solutions do heat up during sonication.
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    – M. Farooq
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Unless it fractured the glassware I don’t see the issue.
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– Jon Custer
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Unless it fractured the glassware I don’t see the issue.
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– Jon Custer
9 hours ago












$begingroup$
I sometimes sonicate volumetrics to help dissolution for a short period. However, I am actually curious about the following test, which I vaguely recall (and therefore could be wrong). If we make up the volume exactly to mark, and then sonicate, what happens to meniscus? It goes down slightly below the mark temporarily. This could be from local heating of the glass. Glass and solutions do heat up during sonication.
$endgroup$
– M. Farooq
2 hours ago




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I sometimes sonicate volumetrics to help dissolution for a short period. However, I am actually curious about the following test, which I vaguely recall (and therefore could be wrong). If we make up the volume exactly to mark, and then sonicate, what happens to meniscus? It goes down slightly below the mark temporarily. This could be from local heating of the glass. Glass and solutions do heat up during sonication.
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According to technical information for volumetric measurement provided by Brand, it is acceptable to use an ultrasonic bath.




Both glass and plastic labware may be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath. However, direct contact with the sonic membranes must be avoided.




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For gentle treatment of labware, clean immediately after use – at low temperatures, with brief soaking times, and at low alkalinity. Glass volumetric instruments should not be exposed to prolonged immersion times in alkaline media above 70 °C, as such treatment causes volume changes through glass corrosion, and destruction of graduations.







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    If your supervisor is unconvinced by Brand's guidance on this (as supplied by Loong in his answer), you could always test the effect of ultrasonic cleaning directly:



    Take, say, six volumetric flasks, and weigh the amount of water each holds when filled to the line. Then subject three to several cycles of ultrasonic cleaning (the other three can be left to sit in the ultrasonic cleaning solution, but without turning the machine on), dry all six, and repeat the weighing measurement. Determine if the before-and-after difference for the ultrasonically cleaned flasks is significantly different from that seen in the control flasks.



    While the control flasks do control for temperature differences between the before-and-after measurements, it would be cleaner if you could do the before-and-after measurements at the same temperature. That way the only difference you see should be random experimental error plus any systematic differences due to cleaning.






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      According to technical information for volumetric measurement provided by Brand, it is acceptable to use an ultrasonic bath.




      Both glass and plastic labware may be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath. However, direct contact with the sonic membranes must be avoided.




      Nevertheless,




      For gentle treatment of labware, clean immediately after use – at low temperatures, with brief soaking times, and at low alkalinity. Glass volumetric instruments should not be exposed to prolonged immersion times in alkaline media above 70 °C, as such treatment causes volume changes through glass corrosion, and destruction of graduations.







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        According to technical information for volumetric measurement provided by Brand, it is acceptable to use an ultrasonic bath.




        Both glass and plastic labware may be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath. However, direct contact with the sonic membranes must be avoided.




        Nevertheless,




        For gentle treatment of labware, clean immediately after use – at low temperatures, with brief soaking times, and at low alkalinity. Glass volumetric instruments should not be exposed to prolonged immersion times in alkaline media above 70 °C, as such treatment causes volume changes through glass corrosion, and destruction of graduations.







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          According to technical information for volumetric measurement provided by Brand, it is acceptable to use an ultrasonic bath.




          Both glass and plastic labware may be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath. However, direct contact with the sonic membranes must be avoided.




          Nevertheless,




          For gentle treatment of labware, clean immediately after use – at low temperatures, with brief soaking times, and at low alkalinity. Glass volumetric instruments should not be exposed to prolonged immersion times in alkaline media above 70 °C, as such treatment causes volume changes through glass corrosion, and destruction of graduations.







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          According to technical information for volumetric measurement provided by Brand, it is acceptable to use an ultrasonic bath.




          Both glass and plastic labware may be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath. However, direct contact with the sonic membranes must be avoided.




          Nevertheless,




          For gentle treatment of labware, clean immediately after use – at low temperatures, with brief soaking times, and at low alkalinity. Glass volumetric instruments should not be exposed to prolonged immersion times in alkaline media above 70 °C, as such treatment causes volume changes through glass corrosion, and destruction of graduations.








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              If your supervisor is unconvinced by Brand's guidance on this (as supplied by Loong in his answer), you could always test the effect of ultrasonic cleaning directly:



              Take, say, six volumetric flasks, and weigh the amount of water each holds when filled to the line. Then subject three to several cycles of ultrasonic cleaning (the other three can be left to sit in the ultrasonic cleaning solution, but without turning the machine on), dry all six, and repeat the weighing measurement. Determine if the before-and-after difference for the ultrasonically cleaned flasks is significantly different from that seen in the control flasks.



              While the control flasks do control for temperature differences between the before-and-after measurements, it would be cleaner if you could do the before-and-after measurements at the same temperature. That way the only difference you see should be random experimental error plus any systematic differences due to cleaning.






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                If your supervisor is unconvinced by Brand's guidance on this (as supplied by Loong in his answer), you could always test the effect of ultrasonic cleaning directly:



                Take, say, six volumetric flasks, and weigh the amount of water each holds when filled to the line. Then subject three to several cycles of ultrasonic cleaning (the other three can be left to sit in the ultrasonic cleaning solution, but without turning the machine on), dry all six, and repeat the weighing measurement. Determine if the before-and-after difference for the ultrasonically cleaned flasks is significantly different from that seen in the control flasks.



                While the control flasks do control for temperature differences between the before-and-after measurements, it would be cleaner if you could do the before-and-after measurements at the same temperature. That way the only difference you see should be random experimental error plus any systematic differences due to cleaning.






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                  If your supervisor is unconvinced by Brand's guidance on this (as supplied by Loong in his answer), you could always test the effect of ultrasonic cleaning directly:



                  Take, say, six volumetric flasks, and weigh the amount of water each holds when filled to the line. Then subject three to several cycles of ultrasonic cleaning (the other three can be left to sit in the ultrasonic cleaning solution, but without turning the machine on), dry all six, and repeat the weighing measurement. Determine if the before-and-after difference for the ultrasonically cleaned flasks is significantly different from that seen in the control flasks.



                  While the control flasks do control for temperature differences between the before-and-after measurements, it would be cleaner if you could do the before-and-after measurements at the same temperature. That way the only difference you see should be random experimental error plus any systematic differences due to cleaning.






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                  If your supervisor is unconvinced by Brand's guidance on this (as supplied by Loong in his answer), you could always test the effect of ultrasonic cleaning directly:



                  Take, say, six volumetric flasks, and weigh the amount of water each holds when filled to the line. Then subject three to several cycles of ultrasonic cleaning (the other three can be left to sit in the ultrasonic cleaning solution, but without turning the machine on), dry all six, and repeat the weighing measurement. Determine if the before-and-after difference for the ultrasonically cleaned flasks is significantly different from that seen in the control flasks.



                  While the control flasks do control for temperature differences between the before-and-after measurements, it would be cleaner if you could do the before-and-after measurements at the same temperature. That way the only difference you see should be random experimental error plus any systematic differences due to cleaning.







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