How to prevent overseas colonies from becoming vassals?How to make vassal from your own provinces?Can colonies become their own countries?At what points do vassals become too big?What are the pros and cons from removing a province from the HRE?What good do colonies do for my domain?How to stop opponents from declaring war on youHow to benefit from personal unionshow do i make colonies in europa universalis 4 help me in my warsHow to give vassals provinces?How to actively prevent becoming the junior in a personal union in Europa Universalis IV?

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How to prevent overseas colonies from becoming vassals?


How to make vassal from your own provinces?Can colonies become their own countries?At what points do vassals become too big?What are the pros and cons from removing a province from the HRE?What good do colonies do for my domain?How to stop opponents from declaring war on youHow to benefit from personal unionshow do i make colonies in europa universalis 4 help me in my warsHow to give vassals provinces?How to actively prevent becoming the junior in a personal union in Europa Universalis IV?






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I truly love the EU series, and I've played it numerous times, but everytime that my overseas lands (colonies) become too large they are declaring themselves independent and they become a vassal.



I find this very frustrating, since I put a lot of money and resources in those countries/cities, for example to build ships and armies there, so that they don't need to travel from Europe.



I would understand it if those countries would be angry with me, but most of the time they are nearly 100% happy, so I find this separation really stupid. The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there, and then conquer lands farther away.



Btw: I know that in real history a lot declared themselves independent, but they were always angry, and not 100% happy like in the game.










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  • Are you asking how to prevent a colonial nation from forming, or how to keep it under your control once it has formed? Your remark "The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there" seems to suggest the former, while the current answer answers the latter.

    – Sjoerd
    Jan 22 at 0:04











  • I'm asking on how to maintain a large overseas country in my own control. Atm I can only have max 3-4 countries before they want to be independant.

    – GertDeWilde
    Jan 24 at 8:01

















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I truly love the EU series, and I've played it numerous times, but everytime that my overseas lands (colonies) become too large they are declaring themselves independent and they become a vassal.



I find this very frustrating, since I put a lot of money and resources in those countries/cities, for example to build ships and armies there, so that they don't need to travel from Europe.



I would understand it if those countries would be angry with me, but most of the time they are nearly 100% happy, so I find this separation really stupid. The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there, and then conquer lands farther away.



Btw: I know that in real history a lot declared themselves independent, but they were always angry, and not 100% happy like in the game.










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  • Are you asking how to prevent a colonial nation from forming, or how to keep it under your control once it has formed? Your remark "The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there" seems to suggest the former, while the current answer answers the latter.

    – Sjoerd
    Jan 22 at 0:04











  • I'm asking on how to maintain a large overseas country in my own control. Atm I can only have max 3-4 countries before they want to be independant.

    – GertDeWilde
    Jan 24 at 8:01













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I truly love the EU series, and I've played it numerous times, but everytime that my overseas lands (colonies) become too large they are declaring themselves independent and they become a vassal.



I find this very frustrating, since I put a lot of money and resources in those countries/cities, for example to build ships and armies there, so that they don't need to travel from Europe.



I would understand it if those countries would be angry with me, but most of the time they are nearly 100% happy, so I find this separation really stupid. The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there, and then conquer lands farther away.



Btw: I know that in real history a lot declared themselves independent, but they were always angry, and not 100% happy like in the game.










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I truly love the EU series, and I've played it numerous times, but everytime that my overseas lands (colonies) become too large they are declaring themselves independent and they become a vassal.



I find this very frustrating, since I put a lot of money and resources in those countries/cities, for example to build ships and armies there, so that they don't need to travel from Europe.



I would understand it if those countries would be angry with me, but most of the time they are nearly 100% happy, so I find this separation really stupid. The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there, and then conquer lands farther away.



Btw: I know that in real history a lot declared themselves independent, but they were always angry, and not 100% happy like in the game.







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  • Are you asking how to prevent a colonial nation from forming, or how to keep it under your control once it has formed? Your remark "The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there" seems to suggest the former, while the current answer answers the latter.

    – Sjoerd
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  • I'm asking on how to maintain a large overseas country in my own control. Atm I can only have max 3-4 countries before they want to be independant.

    – GertDeWilde
    Jan 24 at 8:01

















  • Are you asking how to prevent a colonial nation from forming, or how to keep it under your control once it has formed? Your remark "The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there" seems to suggest the former, while the current answer answers the latter.

    – Sjoerd
    Jan 22 at 0:04











  • I'm asking on how to maintain a large overseas country in my own control. Atm I can only have max 3-4 countries before they want to be independant.

    – GertDeWilde
    Jan 24 at 8:01
















Are you asking how to prevent a colonial nation from forming, or how to keep it under your control once it has formed? Your remark "The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there" seems to suggest the former, while the current answer answers the latter.

– Sjoerd
Jan 22 at 0:04





Are you asking how to prevent a colonial nation from forming, or how to keep it under your control once it has formed? Your remark "The only way to prevent this seems to have maximum 3-4 countries next to each other there" seems to suggest the former, while the current answer answers the latter.

– Sjoerd
Jan 22 at 0:04













I'm asking on how to maintain a large overseas country in my own control. Atm I can only have max 3-4 countries before they want to be independant.

– GertDeWilde
Jan 24 at 8:01





I'm asking on how to maintain a large overseas country in my own control. Atm I can only have max 3-4 countries before they want to be independant.

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In the Americas and Australia there is no way of preventing a colonial nation from forming. If for some reason you really want to retain direct control over colonized territories you can always focus on Africa.



For me, the bigger question is, why would you want to keep them yourself? Here's some things to consider:



  1. I'm personally always out of quota to form new states out of provinces I conquer in Europe. If the same goes for you, those nice provinces you've colonized at a high cost will always remain at 75% local authority. This gives you -75% on tax income, -37,5% trade power and -75% on production income.

  2. Once a colonial nation forms, tons of good stuff starts happening. They transfer 50% of their trade power to you, they start colonizing on their own, thus growing your colony without it costing you anything (might have to subsidize them for a bit to get them going), once they hit 10 provinces they give you an additional merchant and a +5% on your global trade power. Since the last update they will also ship armies to the European mainland to support you in wars. That's a LOT of good stuff and you only have to give them 5 provinces for it all to start happening. Five provinces which were not of great worth to you anyway.

  3. Logistics are not an issue. You have full fleet and army access to your own colonial nations at all times. This means that there's no reason to want to prevent them forming on that basis either.

Point of attention: the colonial nation forms whenever you have 5 provinces fully colonized in a single colonial region. Them not being adjacent is not a factor.






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  • True, those are some good benefits, but in one of my last games I had a war with Portugal overseas, and while I was conquering (and building a lot of troops from my overseas lands), suddenly they became independant and I was f..cked. I couldn't control their actions anymore, and could only hope that they would mass build troops there, which I needed (which they didn't do). So I agree that there are benefits, but that this always happens automatically annoys me. Btw, I've upvoted your answer, since some of these things I didn't know :)

    – GertDeWilde
    Jan 24 at 8:05



















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According to the EU4 Wiki:




As long as the liberty desire is below 50%, the colonial nation is unable to declare independence, and foreign nations cannot support its independence. Two disloyal colonies may form an alliance with each other, enabling them to call each other into an independence war.




The wiki says:




The main influences on liberty desire are the colony's development, relations, and relative military strength. Some factors that are specifically relevant to determining the liberty desire of a colony are the tariff rate and the overlord's mercantilism.




A good way to get an idea on how to get it under control would be to read this. Good luck!



Also I'd like to add that I saw this after posting the answer so be wary.




This section may contain outdated information that is inaccurate for the current version of the game. The last version it was verified as up to date for was 1.21.







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    The CN used to drive me nuts because I wanted to have control over everything. Now I love them to death because they do everything and I don’t have to shift my war machine unless I want to.






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    • This doesn't seem like it answers the question. It asks how to prevent colonial nations from forming, and you have answered why one should not be unhappy about colonial nations forming.

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    In the Americas and Australia there is no way of preventing a colonial nation from forming. If for some reason you really want to retain direct control over colonized territories you can always focus on Africa.



    For me, the bigger question is, why would you want to keep them yourself? Here's some things to consider:



    1. I'm personally always out of quota to form new states out of provinces I conquer in Europe. If the same goes for you, those nice provinces you've colonized at a high cost will always remain at 75% local authority. This gives you -75% on tax income, -37,5% trade power and -75% on production income.

    2. Once a colonial nation forms, tons of good stuff starts happening. They transfer 50% of their trade power to you, they start colonizing on their own, thus growing your colony without it costing you anything (might have to subsidize them for a bit to get them going), once they hit 10 provinces they give you an additional merchant and a +5% on your global trade power. Since the last update they will also ship armies to the European mainland to support you in wars. That's a LOT of good stuff and you only have to give them 5 provinces for it all to start happening. Five provinces which were not of great worth to you anyway.

    3. Logistics are not an issue. You have full fleet and army access to your own colonial nations at all times. This means that there's no reason to want to prevent them forming on that basis either.

    Point of attention: the colonial nation forms whenever you have 5 provinces fully colonized in a single colonial region. Them not being adjacent is not a factor.






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    • True, those are some good benefits, but in one of my last games I had a war with Portugal overseas, and while I was conquering (and building a lot of troops from my overseas lands), suddenly they became independant and I was f..cked. I couldn't control their actions anymore, and could only hope that they would mass build troops there, which I needed (which they didn't do). So I agree that there are benefits, but that this always happens automatically annoys me. Btw, I've upvoted your answer, since some of these things I didn't know :)

      – GertDeWilde
      Jan 24 at 8:05
















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    In the Americas and Australia there is no way of preventing a colonial nation from forming. If for some reason you really want to retain direct control over colonized territories you can always focus on Africa.



    For me, the bigger question is, why would you want to keep them yourself? Here's some things to consider:



    1. I'm personally always out of quota to form new states out of provinces I conquer in Europe. If the same goes for you, those nice provinces you've colonized at a high cost will always remain at 75% local authority. This gives you -75% on tax income, -37,5% trade power and -75% on production income.

    2. Once a colonial nation forms, tons of good stuff starts happening. They transfer 50% of their trade power to you, they start colonizing on their own, thus growing your colony without it costing you anything (might have to subsidize them for a bit to get them going), once they hit 10 provinces they give you an additional merchant and a +5% on your global trade power. Since the last update they will also ship armies to the European mainland to support you in wars. That's a LOT of good stuff and you only have to give them 5 provinces for it all to start happening. Five provinces which were not of great worth to you anyway.

    3. Logistics are not an issue. You have full fleet and army access to your own colonial nations at all times. This means that there's no reason to want to prevent them forming on that basis either.

    Point of attention: the colonial nation forms whenever you have 5 provinces fully colonized in a single colonial region. Them not being adjacent is not a factor.






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    • True, those are some good benefits, but in one of my last games I had a war with Portugal overseas, and while I was conquering (and building a lot of troops from my overseas lands), suddenly they became independant and I was f..cked. I couldn't control their actions anymore, and could only hope that they would mass build troops there, which I needed (which they didn't do). So I agree that there are benefits, but that this always happens automatically annoys me. Btw, I've upvoted your answer, since some of these things I didn't know :)

      – GertDeWilde
      Jan 24 at 8:05














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    In the Americas and Australia there is no way of preventing a colonial nation from forming. If for some reason you really want to retain direct control over colonized territories you can always focus on Africa.



    For me, the bigger question is, why would you want to keep them yourself? Here's some things to consider:



    1. I'm personally always out of quota to form new states out of provinces I conquer in Europe. If the same goes for you, those nice provinces you've colonized at a high cost will always remain at 75% local authority. This gives you -75% on tax income, -37,5% trade power and -75% on production income.

    2. Once a colonial nation forms, tons of good stuff starts happening. They transfer 50% of their trade power to you, they start colonizing on their own, thus growing your colony without it costing you anything (might have to subsidize them for a bit to get them going), once they hit 10 provinces they give you an additional merchant and a +5% on your global trade power. Since the last update they will also ship armies to the European mainland to support you in wars. That's a LOT of good stuff and you only have to give them 5 provinces for it all to start happening. Five provinces which were not of great worth to you anyway.

    3. Logistics are not an issue. You have full fleet and army access to your own colonial nations at all times. This means that there's no reason to want to prevent them forming on that basis either.

    Point of attention: the colonial nation forms whenever you have 5 provinces fully colonized in a single colonial region. Them not being adjacent is not a factor.






    share|improve this answer













    In the Americas and Australia there is no way of preventing a colonial nation from forming. If for some reason you really want to retain direct control over colonized territories you can always focus on Africa.



    For me, the bigger question is, why would you want to keep them yourself? Here's some things to consider:



    1. I'm personally always out of quota to form new states out of provinces I conquer in Europe. If the same goes for you, those nice provinces you've colonized at a high cost will always remain at 75% local authority. This gives you -75% on tax income, -37,5% trade power and -75% on production income.

    2. Once a colonial nation forms, tons of good stuff starts happening. They transfer 50% of their trade power to you, they start colonizing on their own, thus growing your colony without it costing you anything (might have to subsidize them for a bit to get them going), once they hit 10 provinces they give you an additional merchant and a +5% on your global trade power. Since the last update they will also ship armies to the European mainland to support you in wars. That's a LOT of good stuff and you only have to give them 5 provinces for it all to start happening. Five provinces which were not of great worth to you anyway.

    3. Logistics are not an issue. You have full fleet and army access to your own colonial nations at all times. This means that there's no reason to want to prevent them forming on that basis either.

    Point of attention: the colonial nation forms whenever you have 5 provinces fully colonized in a single colonial region. Them not being adjacent is not a factor.







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    • True, those are some good benefits, but in one of my last games I had a war with Portugal overseas, and while I was conquering (and building a lot of troops from my overseas lands), suddenly they became independant and I was f..cked. I couldn't control their actions anymore, and could only hope that they would mass build troops there, which I needed (which they didn't do). So I agree that there are benefits, but that this always happens automatically annoys me. Btw, I've upvoted your answer, since some of these things I didn't know :)

      – GertDeWilde
      Jan 24 at 8:05


















    • True, those are some good benefits, but in one of my last games I had a war with Portugal overseas, and while I was conquering (and building a lot of troops from my overseas lands), suddenly they became independant and I was f..cked. I couldn't control their actions anymore, and could only hope that they would mass build troops there, which I needed (which they didn't do). So I agree that there are benefits, but that this always happens automatically annoys me. Btw, I've upvoted your answer, since some of these things I didn't know :)

      – GertDeWilde
      Jan 24 at 8:05

















    True, those are some good benefits, but in one of my last games I had a war with Portugal overseas, and while I was conquering (and building a lot of troops from my overseas lands), suddenly they became independant and I was f..cked. I couldn't control their actions anymore, and could only hope that they would mass build troops there, which I needed (which they didn't do). So I agree that there are benefits, but that this always happens automatically annoys me. Btw, I've upvoted your answer, since some of these things I didn't know :)

    – GertDeWilde
    Jan 24 at 8:05






    True, those are some good benefits, but in one of my last games I had a war with Portugal overseas, and while I was conquering (and building a lot of troops from my overseas lands), suddenly they became independant and I was f..cked. I couldn't control their actions anymore, and could only hope that they would mass build troops there, which I needed (which they didn't do). So I agree that there are benefits, but that this always happens automatically annoys me. Btw, I've upvoted your answer, since some of these things I didn't know :)

    – GertDeWilde
    Jan 24 at 8:05














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    According to the EU4 Wiki:




    As long as the liberty desire is below 50%, the colonial nation is unable to declare independence, and foreign nations cannot support its independence. Two disloyal colonies may form an alliance with each other, enabling them to call each other into an independence war.




    The wiki says:




    The main influences on liberty desire are the colony's development, relations, and relative military strength. Some factors that are specifically relevant to determining the liberty desire of a colony are the tariff rate and the overlord's mercantilism.




    A good way to get an idea on how to get it under control would be to read this. Good luck!



    Also I'd like to add that I saw this after posting the answer so be wary.




    This section may contain outdated information that is inaccurate for the current version of the game. The last version it was verified as up to date for was 1.21.







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      According to the EU4 Wiki:




      As long as the liberty desire is below 50%, the colonial nation is unable to declare independence, and foreign nations cannot support its independence. Two disloyal colonies may form an alliance with each other, enabling them to call each other into an independence war.




      The wiki says:




      The main influences on liberty desire are the colony's development, relations, and relative military strength. Some factors that are specifically relevant to determining the liberty desire of a colony are the tariff rate and the overlord's mercantilism.




      A good way to get an idea on how to get it under control would be to read this. Good luck!



      Also I'd like to add that I saw this after posting the answer so be wary.




      This section may contain outdated information that is inaccurate for the current version of the game. The last version it was verified as up to date for was 1.21.







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        According to the EU4 Wiki:




        As long as the liberty desire is below 50%, the colonial nation is unable to declare independence, and foreign nations cannot support its independence. Two disloyal colonies may form an alliance with each other, enabling them to call each other into an independence war.




        The wiki says:




        The main influences on liberty desire are the colony's development, relations, and relative military strength. Some factors that are specifically relevant to determining the liberty desire of a colony are the tariff rate and the overlord's mercantilism.




        A good way to get an idea on how to get it under control would be to read this. Good luck!



        Also I'd like to add that I saw this after posting the answer so be wary.




        This section may contain outdated information that is inaccurate for the current version of the game. The last version it was verified as up to date for was 1.21.







        share|improve this answer













        According to the EU4 Wiki:




        As long as the liberty desire is below 50%, the colonial nation is unable to declare independence, and foreign nations cannot support its independence. Two disloyal colonies may form an alliance with each other, enabling them to call each other into an independence war.




        The wiki says:




        The main influences on liberty desire are the colony's development, relations, and relative military strength. Some factors that are specifically relevant to determining the liberty desire of a colony are the tariff rate and the overlord's mercantilism.




        A good way to get an idea on how to get it under control would be to read this. Good luck!



        Also I'd like to add that I saw this after posting the answer so be wary.




        This section may contain outdated information that is inaccurate for the current version of the game. The last version it was verified as up to date for was 1.21.








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            But... you CAN recruit armies from your colonial nation’s provinces.



            The CN used to drive me nuts because I wanted to have control over everything. Now I love them to death because they do everything and I don’t have to shift my war machine unless I want to.






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            • This doesn't seem like it answers the question. It asks how to prevent colonial nations from forming, and you have answered why one should not be unhappy about colonial nations forming.

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            But... you CAN recruit armies from your colonial nation’s provinces.



            The CN used to drive me nuts because I wanted to have control over everything. Now I love them to death because they do everything and I don’t have to shift my war machine unless I want to.






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            But... you CAN recruit armies from your colonial nation’s provinces.



            The CN used to drive me nuts because I wanted to have control over everything. Now I love them to death because they do everything and I don’t have to shift my war machine unless I want to.






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            But... you CAN recruit armies from your colonial nation’s provinces.



            The CN used to drive me nuts because I wanted to have control over everything. Now I love them to death because they do everything and I don’t have to shift my war machine unless I want to.







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            • This doesn't seem like it answers the question. It asks how to prevent colonial nations from forming, and you have answered why one should not be unhappy about colonial nations forming.

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            • This doesn't seem like it answers the question. It asks how to prevent colonial nations from forming, and you have answered why one should not be unhappy about colonial nations forming.

              – Roijan Eskor
              19 mins ago

















            This doesn't seem like it answers the question. It asks how to prevent colonial nations from forming, and you have answered why one should not be unhappy about colonial nations forming.

            – Roijan Eskor
            19 mins ago






            This doesn't seem like it answers the question. It asks how to prevent colonial nations from forming, and you have answered why one should not be unhappy about colonial nations forming.

            – Roijan Eskor
            19 mins ago


















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