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Interview was just a one hour panel. Got an offer the next day; do I accept or is this a red flag?
Is it a red flag if a software company gives an offer without a coding test?Are whiteboard exercises useful in evaluating a company during an interview?Is it reasonable to turn down an onsite interview due to length?Post interview etiquetteShould I cancel 2nd interviews if I plan on taking a different job?How do you handle an interview for a candidate who is performing poorly?Acceptable Interview Process?Emailing interviewer a better solutionInterview: asked to give an hour long presentation on architecture of previous projectIs stress interview a red flag when deciding whether to accept the offer?Is it a red flag if a software company gives an offer without a coding test?Forgot to reply to a hiring team leader for a big tech company, do I email or not?
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Just had an interview the other day for a software developer job and the whole process was just a 30 minute phone call follow by a one hour panel interview (around 5 people).
Panel interview went fine but there wasn't really any whiteboard coding problems or problem solving questions. Just asking about my background and what my experiences are with tech stacks. It felt more like a "meet the team and here's what we do" sorta meeting.
Interested in the project in hand; but I'm finding a hard time believing that a company would hire me solely based on a one hour panel interview. I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic. Note that half of the interviewers was interviewing remotely without facetime. There was software developers in this panel (not just managers).
I'm not sure if this is common practice or if they are hiding something up their sleeves. This company is in the defense industry; an industry whose number one interest is your ability to hold a security clearance (which I currently possess). I've interview through a variety of tech companies and this is the first I'm seen it go this well.
I've been in a couple companies where software development isn't their forte. I've typically ended up being that "rock star" employee trying to bring the IT/developers up to modern standards. It's not my interest to be that employee again; I want to work in a team who is willing to read a tech article. Meeting with them makes it seems this won't be the case (but I'm an optimistic sorta person).
Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
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Just had an interview the other day for a software developer job and the whole process was just a 30 minute phone call follow by a one hour panel interview (around 5 people).
Panel interview went fine but there wasn't really any whiteboard coding problems or problem solving questions. Just asking about my background and what my experiences are with tech stacks. It felt more like a "meet the team and here's what we do" sorta meeting.
Interested in the project in hand; but I'm finding a hard time believing that a company would hire me solely based on a one hour panel interview. I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic. Note that half of the interviewers was interviewing remotely without facetime. There was software developers in this panel (not just managers).
I'm not sure if this is common practice or if they are hiding something up their sleeves. This company is in the defense industry; an industry whose number one interest is your ability to hold a security clearance (which I currently possess). I've interview through a variety of tech companies and this is the first I'm seen it go this well.
I've been in a couple companies where software development isn't their forte. I've typically ended up being that "rock star" employee trying to bring the IT/developers up to modern standards. It's not my interest to be that employee again; I want to work in a team who is willing to read a tech article. Meeting with them makes it seems this won't be the case (but I'm an optimistic sorta person).
Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
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See also the Joel Test point 11.
– Brandin
12 hours ago
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Did you ask questions about the company standards during the interview process?
– lucasgcb
12 hours ago
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This is not that unusual if your resume and code samples online already prove your experience. I wouldn't go so far to say it happens most of the time but it's not weird.
– Keith Loughnane
11 hours ago
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Possibly this company uses the probation time of the contract to weed out bad fits.
– Mark Rotteveel
6 hours ago
5
@Brandin: I have to disagree with that point #11, and the whole idea of whiteboard coding tests. You can't really test anything significant, and there are a subset of people - I'm one - who simply can't work like that. (I've gotten job offers with no interview at all, or just a "do we like this guy?" one, on the basis of published work or personal recommendations, but failed miserably at the one interview I had with a whiteboard coding test.) Using a whiteboard test seems to automatically eliminate a subset of applicants who might otherwise be good at the job.
– jamesqf
1 hour ago
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Just had an interview the other day for a software developer job and the whole process was just a 30 minute phone call follow by a one hour panel interview (around 5 people).
Panel interview went fine but there wasn't really any whiteboard coding problems or problem solving questions. Just asking about my background and what my experiences are with tech stacks. It felt more like a "meet the team and here's what we do" sorta meeting.
Interested in the project in hand; but I'm finding a hard time believing that a company would hire me solely based on a one hour panel interview. I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic. Note that half of the interviewers was interviewing remotely without facetime. There was software developers in this panel (not just managers).
I'm not sure if this is common practice or if they are hiding something up their sleeves. This company is in the defense industry; an industry whose number one interest is your ability to hold a security clearance (which I currently possess). I've interview through a variety of tech companies and this is the first I'm seen it go this well.
I've been in a couple companies where software development isn't their forte. I've typically ended up being that "rock star" employee trying to bring the IT/developers up to modern standards. It's not my interest to be that employee again; I want to work in a team who is willing to read a tech article. Meeting with them makes it seems this won't be the case (but I'm an optimistic sorta person).
Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
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Just had an interview the other day for a software developer job and the whole process was just a 30 minute phone call follow by a one hour panel interview (around 5 people).
Panel interview went fine but there wasn't really any whiteboard coding problems or problem solving questions. Just asking about my background and what my experiences are with tech stacks. It felt more like a "meet the team and here's what we do" sorta meeting.
Interested in the project in hand; but I'm finding a hard time believing that a company would hire me solely based on a one hour panel interview. I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic. Note that half of the interviewers was interviewing remotely without facetime. There was software developers in this panel (not just managers).
I'm not sure if this is common practice or if they are hiding something up their sleeves. This company is in the defense industry; an industry whose number one interest is your ability to hold a security clearance (which I currently possess). I've interview through a variety of tech companies and this is the first I'm seen it go this well.
I've been in a couple companies where software development isn't their forte. I've typically ended up being that "rock star" employee trying to bring the IT/developers up to modern standards. It's not my interest to be that employee again; I want to work in a team who is willing to read a tech article. Meeting with them makes it seems this won't be the case (but I'm an optimistic sorta person).
Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
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See also the Joel Test point 11.
– Brandin
12 hours ago
1
Did you ask questions about the company standards during the interview process?
– lucasgcb
12 hours ago
2
This is not that unusual if your resume and code samples online already prove your experience. I wouldn't go so far to say it happens most of the time but it's not weird.
– Keith Loughnane
11 hours ago
11
Possibly this company uses the probation time of the contract to weed out bad fits.
– Mark Rotteveel
6 hours ago
5
@Brandin: I have to disagree with that point #11, and the whole idea of whiteboard coding tests. You can't really test anything significant, and there are a subset of people - I'm one - who simply can't work like that. (I've gotten job offers with no interview at all, or just a "do we like this guy?" one, on the basis of published work or personal recommendations, but failed miserably at the one interview I had with a whiteboard coding test.) Using a whiteboard test seems to automatically eliminate a subset of applicants who might otherwise be good at the job.
– jamesqf
1 hour ago
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See also the Joel Test point 11.
– Brandin
12 hours ago
1
Did you ask questions about the company standards during the interview process?
– lucasgcb
12 hours ago
2
This is not that unusual if your resume and code samples online already prove your experience. I wouldn't go so far to say it happens most of the time but it's not weird.
– Keith Loughnane
11 hours ago
11
Possibly this company uses the probation time of the contract to weed out bad fits.
– Mark Rotteveel
6 hours ago
5
@Brandin: I have to disagree with that point #11, and the whole idea of whiteboard coding tests. You can't really test anything significant, and there are a subset of people - I'm one - who simply can't work like that. (I've gotten job offers with no interview at all, or just a "do we like this guy?" one, on the basis of published work or personal recommendations, but failed miserably at the one interview I had with a whiteboard coding test.) Using a whiteboard test seems to automatically eliminate a subset of applicants who might otherwise be good at the job.
– jamesqf
1 hour ago
4
4
See also the Joel Test point 11.
– Brandin
12 hours ago
See also the Joel Test point 11.
– Brandin
12 hours ago
1
1
Did you ask questions about the company standards during the interview process?
– lucasgcb
12 hours ago
Did you ask questions about the company standards during the interview process?
– lucasgcb
12 hours ago
2
2
This is not that unusual if your resume and code samples online already prove your experience. I wouldn't go so far to say it happens most of the time but it's not weird.
– Keith Loughnane
11 hours ago
This is not that unusual if your resume and code samples online already prove your experience. I wouldn't go so far to say it happens most of the time but it's not weird.
– Keith Loughnane
11 hours ago
11
11
Possibly this company uses the probation time of the contract to weed out bad fits.
– Mark Rotteveel
6 hours ago
Possibly this company uses the probation time of the contract to weed out bad fits.
– Mark Rotteveel
6 hours ago
5
5
@Brandin: I have to disagree with that point #11, and the whole idea of whiteboard coding tests. You can't really test anything significant, and there are a subset of people - I'm one - who simply can't work like that. (I've gotten job offers with no interview at all, or just a "do we like this guy?" one, on the basis of published work or personal recommendations, but failed miserably at the one interview I had with a whiteboard coding test.) Using a whiteboard test seems to automatically eliminate a subset of applicants who might otherwise be good at the job.
– jamesqf
1 hour ago
@Brandin: I have to disagree with that point #11, and the whole idea of whiteboard coding tests. You can't really test anything significant, and there are a subset of people - I'm one - who simply can't work like that. (I've gotten job offers with no interview at all, or just a "do we like this guy?" one, on the basis of published work or personal recommendations, but failed miserably at the one interview I had with a whiteboard coding test.) Using a whiteboard test seems to automatically eliminate a subset of applicants who might otherwise be good at the job.
– jamesqf
1 hour ago
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You realise most people here would kill for a one hour interview that resulted in a job offer the next day, right?! That's great!
I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic.
IMHO, I'm glad more companies are actually moving away from this style of all-day really in-depth whiteboard / algorithm coding interview technique - as it really tells you very little above and beyond the hour or so interview that you describe:
- It's very easy for any candidate desperate for work to revise that sort of stuff in advance, spit it out on the whiteboard, and be next to useless in the day job. On the other hand, good candidates that may not bother (because they're likely to get hired somewhere decent anyway) might get passed up.
- If someone doesn't have a clue what they're doing, it's very rare that doesn't become apparent in an hour or so's worth of technical conversation. You'd usually smell a rat in the first 5 minutes.
- The longer the process is, the more likely it is that good candidates will receive offers elsewhere in the meantime, and so disappear before the company has a chance to evaluate them.
Nothing shady about it. If anything I'd congratulate them for having an interview process that's quick, short, efficient and to the point.
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I'll pipe in that when I was interviewing a lot in the 90's, a phone screen then an hour or so of face-to-face was quite typical.
– T.E.D.
4 hours ago
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While I don't disagree with what you're saying here, I'm not sure this hits the point. I don't think OP is asking "why isn't it longer and more tedious", I think it's more along the lines of "why weren't they interested in my abilities during the given time". Seeing how you understood it in the former way, I'll actually go ahead and ask this under the question itself.
– R. Schmitz
3 hours ago
Depending on location the company might also feel that this gives them enough information to decide whether to risk hiring and do the actual assessment for a long term commitment during probation.
– Frank Hopkins
33 mins ago
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Interviews serve two purposes, both very important. One is for the employer to assess whether you are a good person for the job.
The other is for you to assess whether you want to work for the employer.
A one-hour many-on-one interview isn't a great way for you to make your assessment, as you know.
You can say to the hiring manager something like "Thanks for the offer. I'm really interested in working for you. Is it possible for me to have a couple of conversations with the other members of your group, to get to know you all a little better?"
It's a reasonable request from any potential employee. And, you're in a strong position because you already have an offer in hand.
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This is the most appropriate answer, you interview the company for fit as much as they interview you!
– Leon
6 hours ago
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+1 How the company conducts interviews is not a good proxy for the work environment. Forget about red flags, and request the time and information you need in order to decide whether you want to work there.
– Peter
6 hours ago
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Having been vetted for security clearance and passing a one hour conference can in some cases be pretty normal - especially if they're in need of a particular skill.
I got hired to one of my nicest jobs in a similar fashion (basically a team of 20 people eating pizza and interviewing me). I don't really understand from your post what you are worried that they have up their sleeve?
Thanks for the response. I guess my main concern would be the quality of current team. If all it takes is a brief overview of what you've done; how do you know the employee has employed good software practices? An example would be the creater of Homebrew getting rejected by Google (reflection post here). His reasoning is based that popular/working software does not correlate with good code. This is debatable and is what's causing me to question.
– User
12 hours ago
+1 I'm a contractor and many of my interviews go the same way. Some don't and some are failures. You can ask the "what tool/process do you use for x" questions, but it'll never give you the full picture. If it turns out they're a mess, think of it as an opportunity. Good luck with the new job, User, and please update this question in 6 months so we know how it worked out.
– Justin
11 hours ago
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@User may depend on country, but here you usually have a probation period of 1 month, which tells you way more about a candidate. Personally, I would reject every employer which forces me through a lengthy application procedure with multiple iterations, including pseudo coding and similar stupidities. Especially in the software industry, you choose your employer, not the opposite.
– sbo
10 hours ago
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The places where I have worked with a smart, competent, motivated and functional team have typically employed LESS whiteboarding/tests/various interview shenanigans.
My own theory on this is that knowledgeable technical people are able to identify others with appropriate proficiency just by asking them pertinent questions. There seems to be a direct correlation between requiring lots of hoop-jumping in the form of code samples, fizzbuzz, "gotcha" implementation or syntax questions that realistically I would go to the documentation over in the course of actual work, and the like, and an interviewer who doesn't really know their stuff, and thus is trying to generate specific responses that they can compare against an answer key of some kind.
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Interview was just an one hour panel. Got offer the next day; do I take or is this a red flag?
Neither.
Maybe they are bad at interviewing, and maybe that's it and it's a great company. Or maybe it stems from incompetence at everything. Or maybe they've decided that technical interviews and/or skills aren't worth very much compared to willingness to learn and cultural fit — which might be true for their business, or might not be.
You are overthinking their process because you don't have enough information on it to do so. You might want to ask them about it and see what they say. More important, though, would be to follow the advice in O. Jones' answer and interview them. You should give yourself the opportunity to see the red flags rather than guess at them before either taking the offer or (if you are indeed very interested and it's worth your time) rejecting it.
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For many companies, the style you described is absolute standard. If these are companies that you wouldn't want to work for because of this, that is of course your decision. But you shouldn't consider it a exceptional behavior or red flag.
I always wondered how common 'show-coding' interviews really are - I have been in panel interviews for at least forty hires in the last fifteen years, and we never would dream of such an interview style.
Coding capabilities are not the most important thing in the selection process (for us), and they can also be improved rather easily. We ask some questions, to verify you really know the language you claim you know, but more than that we value attitude, spirit, communication and other soft skills, and the impression someone gives about smartness and 'teachability'. In other (harsher) words, if you think you know it all already, we might not want to hire you.
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Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
You are overthinking it. I once had an interview which was over before I had finished my coffee (took the job) and I once gotten an offer while walking back from the interview to my car (did not take the job). My previous job I landed after a more "normal" process (multi-round interview, offer a few days later). Took the offer, only to find out within a few months that that was a bad decision, and I moved on. Current job? One interview where I interviewed for two positions at the same time (developer and sysadmin), followed by a few weeks of silence, and then a phone call "Can you meet with the CEO tomorrow, he'll make an offer, and can you start next week?" I've been holding that gig for 12.5 years now, and counting.
I've also done 13 interviews (at the same company) in a day (no offer due to visa complications), a 7 AM interview with dozens and dozens of rapidly fired technical questions (they found me overqualified so they didn't make an offer) and an interview process lasting weeks were they slowly whittled down from 60 candidates until they were left with me (took their offer).
And then there are the gazillion times of "we'll get back to you" after the first interview, I'm still waiting for.
My point is that there are many ways companies do their interviews. There isn't a right way to do interviews (as in, there is not a single right way which works for everyone). And from the outside, it's very hard to judge whether a company's style of interviewing is one that works for them. Don't read to much into it. Take it as it is, and if you don't feel comfortable with it (and I do realize that that is very subjective), look elsewhere.
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Interviews don't have to be the long, grueling affairs that some employers make them. Interviewing is often about "fit", as in "Do you fit in their culture?". For some places, the interviewers believe they can figure this out quickly. Furthermore, people often assume your resume tells the story of what you've done and/or they ask just enough to figure out if it (the resume) is truthful.
As noted elsewhere, already having a security clearance is a big advantage in certain environments. So, if you already have the skills they want and the appropriate clearance, that may be all the really want. The interview may have been a formality to make sure you have a pulse and aren't a jeans & tee shirt person walking into a suit & tie kind of place (or vice versa).
My own experiences include a couple hiring processes that bear this out:
Personally, I was once offered a job (also in the defense sector) without even interviewing. The recruiter assured me I would love the job, even though he couldn't tell me what it was. I decided not to take that job.
The shortest actual interview I ever had was 20 minutes. (To be fair I did have to take a coding test separately, but they wouldn't have had me do that if I hadn't passed the interview.) The hiring manager saw that I had certain skills that were relevant to the job and had some experiences that were not directly related to that actual job, but of interest to him. At that point, he just said "Hire him". It wasn't a great job, but I stayed there for a few years while I took classes to improve my background for something I would like better. I then left for one of the best two jobs I've had.
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I am going to be the dissenting voice here. I had this experience. I interviewed with a government contractor doing software. Just met with one or two people and got an offer. High paying offer.
It was one of the worse places I have worked. We had people that were so bad they wouldn't even bill them to the contract and it still took them forever to justify getting rid of them.
You are a body in a seat billing $200 an hour to the contract of which $100 is profit to the company. They don't care about being efficient. Efficient costs them money. I had arguments about computer equipment, doing things smart and efficient, you name it. They actually told me that being more efficient by having a second monitor was not in their best interests.
It was not all bad. There were some smart people. But they were not very prevalent and that was not the culture.
Your mileage will vary. Could be the most amazing place ever. Who knows. But bear in mind, everyone else there had as much of a screening as you did.
And just because your co-workers have clearances means nothing. A clearance just means you don't have bad debts, don't do dope, and are basically a boring person.
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You realise most people here would kill for a one hour interview that resulted in a job offer the next day, right?! That's great!
I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic.
IMHO, I'm glad more companies are actually moving away from this style of all-day really in-depth whiteboard / algorithm coding interview technique - as it really tells you very little above and beyond the hour or so interview that you describe:
- It's very easy for any candidate desperate for work to revise that sort of stuff in advance, spit it out on the whiteboard, and be next to useless in the day job. On the other hand, good candidates that may not bother (because they're likely to get hired somewhere decent anyway) might get passed up.
- If someone doesn't have a clue what they're doing, it's very rare that doesn't become apparent in an hour or so's worth of technical conversation. You'd usually smell a rat in the first 5 minutes.
- The longer the process is, the more likely it is that good candidates will receive offers elsewhere in the meantime, and so disappear before the company has a chance to evaluate them.
Nothing shady about it. If anything I'd congratulate them for having an interview process that's quick, short, efficient and to the point.
7
I'll pipe in that when I was interviewing a lot in the 90's, a phone screen then an hour or so of face-to-face was quite typical.
– T.E.D.
4 hours ago
3
While I don't disagree with what you're saying here, I'm not sure this hits the point. I don't think OP is asking "why isn't it longer and more tedious", I think it's more along the lines of "why weren't they interested in my abilities during the given time". Seeing how you understood it in the former way, I'll actually go ahead and ask this under the question itself.
– R. Schmitz
3 hours ago
Depending on location the company might also feel that this gives them enough information to decide whether to risk hiring and do the actual assessment for a long term commitment during probation.
– Frank Hopkins
33 mins ago
add a comment |
You realise most people here would kill for a one hour interview that resulted in a job offer the next day, right?! That's great!
I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic.
IMHO, I'm glad more companies are actually moving away from this style of all-day really in-depth whiteboard / algorithm coding interview technique - as it really tells you very little above and beyond the hour or so interview that you describe:
- It's very easy for any candidate desperate for work to revise that sort of stuff in advance, spit it out on the whiteboard, and be next to useless in the day job. On the other hand, good candidates that may not bother (because they're likely to get hired somewhere decent anyway) might get passed up.
- If someone doesn't have a clue what they're doing, it's very rare that doesn't become apparent in an hour or so's worth of technical conversation. You'd usually smell a rat in the first 5 minutes.
- The longer the process is, the more likely it is that good candidates will receive offers elsewhere in the meantime, and so disappear before the company has a chance to evaluate them.
Nothing shady about it. If anything I'd congratulate them for having an interview process that's quick, short, efficient and to the point.
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I'll pipe in that when I was interviewing a lot in the 90's, a phone screen then an hour or so of face-to-face was quite typical.
– T.E.D.
4 hours ago
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While I don't disagree with what you're saying here, I'm not sure this hits the point. I don't think OP is asking "why isn't it longer and more tedious", I think it's more along the lines of "why weren't they interested in my abilities during the given time". Seeing how you understood it in the former way, I'll actually go ahead and ask this under the question itself.
– R. Schmitz
3 hours ago
Depending on location the company might also feel that this gives them enough information to decide whether to risk hiring and do the actual assessment for a long term commitment during probation.
– Frank Hopkins
33 mins ago
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You realise most people here would kill for a one hour interview that resulted in a job offer the next day, right?! That's great!
I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic.
IMHO, I'm glad more companies are actually moving away from this style of all-day really in-depth whiteboard / algorithm coding interview technique - as it really tells you very little above and beyond the hour or so interview that you describe:
- It's very easy for any candidate desperate for work to revise that sort of stuff in advance, spit it out on the whiteboard, and be next to useless in the day job. On the other hand, good candidates that may not bother (because they're likely to get hired somewhere decent anyway) might get passed up.
- If someone doesn't have a clue what they're doing, it's very rare that doesn't become apparent in an hour or so's worth of technical conversation. You'd usually smell a rat in the first 5 minutes.
- The longer the process is, the more likely it is that good candidates will receive offers elsewhere in the meantime, and so disappear before the company has a chance to evaluate them.
Nothing shady about it. If anything I'd congratulate them for having an interview process that's quick, short, efficient and to the point.
You realise most people here would kill for a one hour interview that resulted in a job offer the next day, right?! That's great!
I'd figured there be some follow-up interviews where we can go more in depth of my coding abilities and system architects logic.
IMHO, I'm glad more companies are actually moving away from this style of all-day really in-depth whiteboard / algorithm coding interview technique - as it really tells you very little above and beyond the hour or so interview that you describe:
- It's very easy for any candidate desperate for work to revise that sort of stuff in advance, spit it out on the whiteboard, and be next to useless in the day job. On the other hand, good candidates that may not bother (because they're likely to get hired somewhere decent anyway) might get passed up.
- If someone doesn't have a clue what they're doing, it's very rare that doesn't become apparent in an hour or so's worth of technical conversation. You'd usually smell a rat in the first 5 minutes.
- The longer the process is, the more likely it is that good candidates will receive offers elsewhere in the meantime, and so disappear before the company has a chance to evaluate them.
Nothing shady about it. If anything I'd congratulate them for having an interview process that's quick, short, efficient and to the point.
answered 11 hours ago
berry120berry120
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I'll pipe in that when I was interviewing a lot in the 90's, a phone screen then an hour or so of face-to-face was quite typical.
– T.E.D.
4 hours ago
3
While I don't disagree with what you're saying here, I'm not sure this hits the point. I don't think OP is asking "why isn't it longer and more tedious", I think it's more along the lines of "why weren't they interested in my abilities during the given time". Seeing how you understood it in the former way, I'll actually go ahead and ask this under the question itself.
– R. Schmitz
3 hours ago
Depending on location the company might also feel that this gives them enough information to decide whether to risk hiring and do the actual assessment for a long term commitment during probation.
– Frank Hopkins
33 mins ago
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7
I'll pipe in that when I was interviewing a lot in the 90's, a phone screen then an hour or so of face-to-face was quite typical.
– T.E.D.
4 hours ago
3
While I don't disagree with what you're saying here, I'm not sure this hits the point. I don't think OP is asking "why isn't it longer and more tedious", I think it's more along the lines of "why weren't they interested in my abilities during the given time". Seeing how you understood it in the former way, I'll actually go ahead and ask this under the question itself.
– R. Schmitz
3 hours ago
Depending on location the company might also feel that this gives them enough information to decide whether to risk hiring and do the actual assessment for a long term commitment during probation.
– Frank Hopkins
33 mins ago
7
7
I'll pipe in that when I was interviewing a lot in the 90's, a phone screen then an hour or so of face-to-face was quite typical.
– T.E.D.
4 hours ago
I'll pipe in that when I was interviewing a lot in the 90's, a phone screen then an hour or so of face-to-face was quite typical.
– T.E.D.
4 hours ago
3
3
While I don't disagree with what you're saying here, I'm not sure this hits the point. I don't think OP is asking "why isn't it longer and more tedious", I think it's more along the lines of "why weren't they interested in my abilities during the given time". Seeing how you understood it in the former way, I'll actually go ahead and ask this under the question itself.
– R. Schmitz
3 hours ago
While I don't disagree with what you're saying here, I'm not sure this hits the point. I don't think OP is asking "why isn't it longer and more tedious", I think it's more along the lines of "why weren't they interested in my abilities during the given time". Seeing how you understood it in the former way, I'll actually go ahead and ask this under the question itself.
– R. Schmitz
3 hours ago
Depending on location the company might also feel that this gives them enough information to decide whether to risk hiring and do the actual assessment for a long term commitment during probation.
– Frank Hopkins
33 mins ago
Depending on location the company might also feel that this gives them enough information to decide whether to risk hiring and do the actual assessment for a long term commitment during probation.
– Frank Hopkins
33 mins ago
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Interviews serve two purposes, both very important. One is for the employer to assess whether you are a good person for the job.
The other is for you to assess whether you want to work for the employer.
A one-hour many-on-one interview isn't a great way for you to make your assessment, as you know.
You can say to the hiring manager something like "Thanks for the offer. I'm really interested in working for you. Is it possible for me to have a couple of conversations with the other members of your group, to get to know you all a little better?"
It's a reasonable request from any potential employee. And, you're in a strong position because you already have an offer in hand.
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This is the most appropriate answer, you interview the company for fit as much as they interview you!
– Leon
6 hours ago
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+1 How the company conducts interviews is not a good proxy for the work environment. Forget about red flags, and request the time and information you need in order to decide whether you want to work there.
– Peter
6 hours ago
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Interviews serve two purposes, both very important. One is for the employer to assess whether you are a good person for the job.
The other is for you to assess whether you want to work for the employer.
A one-hour many-on-one interview isn't a great way for you to make your assessment, as you know.
You can say to the hiring manager something like "Thanks for the offer. I'm really interested in working for you. Is it possible for me to have a couple of conversations with the other members of your group, to get to know you all a little better?"
It's a reasonable request from any potential employee. And, you're in a strong position because you already have an offer in hand.
3
This is the most appropriate answer, you interview the company for fit as much as they interview you!
– Leon
6 hours ago
14
+1 How the company conducts interviews is not a good proxy for the work environment. Forget about red flags, and request the time and information you need in order to decide whether you want to work there.
– Peter
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Interviews serve two purposes, both very important. One is for the employer to assess whether you are a good person for the job.
The other is for you to assess whether you want to work for the employer.
A one-hour many-on-one interview isn't a great way for you to make your assessment, as you know.
You can say to the hiring manager something like "Thanks for the offer. I'm really interested in working for you. Is it possible for me to have a couple of conversations with the other members of your group, to get to know you all a little better?"
It's a reasonable request from any potential employee. And, you're in a strong position because you already have an offer in hand.
Interviews serve two purposes, both very important. One is for the employer to assess whether you are a good person for the job.
The other is for you to assess whether you want to work for the employer.
A one-hour many-on-one interview isn't a great way for you to make your assessment, as you know.
You can say to the hiring manager something like "Thanks for the offer. I'm really interested in working for you. Is it possible for me to have a couple of conversations with the other members of your group, to get to know you all a little better?"
It's a reasonable request from any potential employee. And, you're in a strong position because you already have an offer in hand.
answered 7 hours ago
O. JonesO. Jones
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This is the most appropriate answer, you interview the company for fit as much as they interview you!
– Leon
6 hours ago
14
+1 How the company conducts interviews is not a good proxy for the work environment. Forget about red flags, and request the time and information you need in order to decide whether you want to work there.
– Peter
6 hours ago
add a comment |
3
This is the most appropriate answer, you interview the company for fit as much as they interview you!
– Leon
6 hours ago
14
+1 How the company conducts interviews is not a good proxy for the work environment. Forget about red flags, and request the time and information you need in order to decide whether you want to work there.
– Peter
6 hours ago
3
3
This is the most appropriate answer, you interview the company for fit as much as they interview you!
– Leon
6 hours ago
This is the most appropriate answer, you interview the company for fit as much as they interview you!
– Leon
6 hours ago
14
14
+1 How the company conducts interviews is not a good proxy for the work environment. Forget about red flags, and request the time and information you need in order to decide whether you want to work there.
– Peter
6 hours ago
+1 How the company conducts interviews is not a good proxy for the work environment. Forget about red flags, and request the time and information you need in order to decide whether you want to work there.
– Peter
6 hours ago
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Having been vetted for security clearance and passing a one hour conference can in some cases be pretty normal - especially if they're in need of a particular skill.
I got hired to one of my nicest jobs in a similar fashion (basically a team of 20 people eating pizza and interviewing me). I don't really understand from your post what you are worried that they have up their sleeve?
Thanks for the response. I guess my main concern would be the quality of current team. If all it takes is a brief overview of what you've done; how do you know the employee has employed good software practices? An example would be the creater of Homebrew getting rejected by Google (reflection post here). His reasoning is based that popular/working software does not correlate with good code. This is debatable and is what's causing me to question.
– User
12 hours ago
+1 I'm a contractor and many of my interviews go the same way. Some don't and some are failures. You can ask the "what tool/process do you use for x" questions, but it'll never give you the full picture. If it turns out they're a mess, think of it as an opportunity. Good luck with the new job, User, and please update this question in 6 months so we know how it worked out.
– Justin
11 hours ago
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@User may depend on country, but here you usually have a probation period of 1 month, which tells you way more about a candidate. Personally, I would reject every employer which forces me through a lengthy application procedure with multiple iterations, including pseudo coding and similar stupidities. Especially in the software industry, you choose your employer, not the opposite.
– sbo
10 hours ago
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Having been vetted for security clearance and passing a one hour conference can in some cases be pretty normal - especially if they're in need of a particular skill.
I got hired to one of my nicest jobs in a similar fashion (basically a team of 20 people eating pizza and interviewing me). I don't really understand from your post what you are worried that they have up their sleeve?
Thanks for the response. I guess my main concern would be the quality of current team. If all it takes is a brief overview of what you've done; how do you know the employee has employed good software practices? An example would be the creater of Homebrew getting rejected by Google (reflection post here). His reasoning is based that popular/working software does not correlate with good code. This is debatable and is what's causing me to question.
– User
12 hours ago
+1 I'm a contractor and many of my interviews go the same way. Some don't and some are failures. You can ask the "what tool/process do you use for x" questions, but it'll never give you the full picture. If it turns out they're a mess, think of it as an opportunity. Good luck with the new job, User, and please update this question in 6 months so we know how it worked out.
– Justin
11 hours ago
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@User may depend on country, but here you usually have a probation period of 1 month, which tells you way more about a candidate. Personally, I would reject every employer which forces me through a lengthy application procedure with multiple iterations, including pseudo coding and similar stupidities. Especially in the software industry, you choose your employer, not the opposite.
– sbo
10 hours ago
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Having been vetted for security clearance and passing a one hour conference can in some cases be pretty normal - especially if they're in need of a particular skill.
I got hired to one of my nicest jobs in a similar fashion (basically a team of 20 people eating pizza and interviewing me). I don't really understand from your post what you are worried that they have up their sleeve?
Having been vetted for security clearance and passing a one hour conference can in some cases be pretty normal - especially if they're in need of a particular skill.
I got hired to one of my nicest jobs in a similar fashion (basically a team of 20 people eating pizza and interviewing me). I don't really understand from your post what you are worried that they have up their sleeve?
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answered 12 hours ago
MagnusMagnus
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Thanks for the response. I guess my main concern would be the quality of current team. If all it takes is a brief overview of what you've done; how do you know the employee has employed good software practices? An example would be the creater of Homebrew getting rejected by Google (reflection post here). His reasoning is based that popular/working software does not correlate with good code. This is debatable and is what's causing me to question.
– User
12 hours ago
+1 I'm a contractor and many of my interviews go the same way. Some don't and some are failures. You can ask the "what tool/process do you use for x" questions, but it'll never give you the full picture. If it turns out they're a mess, think of it as an opportunity. Good luck with the new job, User, and please update this question in 6 months so we know how it worked out.
– Justin
11 hours ago
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@User may depend on country, but here you usually have a probation period of 1 month, which tells you way more about a candidate. Personally, I would reject every employer which forces me through a lengthy application procedure with multiple iterations, including pseudo coding and similar stupidities. Especially in the software industry, you choose your employer, not the opposite.
– sbo
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Thanks for the response. I guess my main concern would be the quality of current team. If all it takes is a brief overview of what you've done; how do you know the employee has employed good software practices? An example would be the creater of Homebrew getting rejected by Google (reflection post here). His reasoning is based that popular/working software does not correlate with good code. This is debatable and is what's causing me to question.
– User
12 hours ago
+1 I'm a contractor and many of my interviews go the same way. Some don't and some are failures. You can ask the "what tool/process do you use for x" questions, but it'll never give you the full picture. If it turns out they're a mess, think of it as an opportunity. Good luck with the new job, User, and please update this question in 6 months so we know how it worked out.
– Justin
11 hours ago
4
@User may depend on country, but here you usually have a probation period of 1 month, which tells you way more about a candidate. Personally, I would reject every employer which forces me through a lengthy application procedure with multiple iterations, including pseudo coding and similar stupidities. Especially in the software industry, you choose your employer, not the opposite.
– sbo
10 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess my main concern would be the quality of current team. If all it takes is a brief overview of what you've done; how do you know the employee has employed good software practices? An example would be the creater of Homebrew getting rejected by Google (reflection post here). His reasoning is based that popular/working software does not correlate with good code. This is debatable and is what's causing me to question.
– User
12 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess my main concern would be the quality of current team. If all it takes is a brief overview of what you've done; how do you know the employee has employed good software practices? An example would be the creater of Homebrew getting rejected by Google (reflection post here). His reasoning is based that popular/working software does not correlate with good code. This is debatable and is what's causing me to question.
– User
12 hours ago
+1 I'm a contractor and many of my interviews go the same way. Some don't and some are failures. You can ask the "what tool/process do you use for x" questions, but it'll never give you the full picture. If it turns out they're a mess, think of it as an opportunity. Good luck with the new job, User, and please update this question in 6 months so we know how it worked out.
– Justin
11 hours ago
+1 I'm a contractor and many of my interviews go the same way. Some don't and some are failures. You can ask the "what tool/process do you use for x" questions, but it'll never give you the full picture. If it turns out they're a mess, think of it as an opportunity. Good luck with the new job, User, and please update this question in 6 months so we know how it worked out.
– Justin
11 hours ago
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@User may depend on country, but here you usually have a probation period of 1 month, which tells you way more about a candidate. Personally, I would reject every employer which forces me through a lengthy application procedure with multiple iterations, including pseudo coding and similar stupidities. Especially in the software industry, you choose your employer, not the opposite.
– sbo
10 hours ago
@User may depend on country, but here you usually have a probation period of 1 month, which tells you way more about a candidate. Personally, I would reject every employer which forces me through a lengthy application procedure with multiple iterations, including pseudo coding and similar stupidities. Especially in the software industry, you choose your employer, not the opposite.
– sbo
10 hours ago
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The places where I have worked with a smart, competent, motivated and functional team have typically employed LESS whiteboarding/tests/various interview shenanigans.
My own theory on this is that knowledgeable technical people are able to identify others with appropriate proficiency just by asking them pertinent questions. There seems to be a direct correlation between requiring lots of hoop-jumping in the form of code samples, fizzbuzz, "gotcha" implementation or syntax questions that realistically I would go to the documentation over in the course of actual work, and the like, and an interviewer who doesn't really know their stuff, and thus is trying to generate specific responses that they can compare against an answer key of some kind.
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The places where I have worked with a smart, competent, motivated and functional team have typically employed LESS whiteboarding/tests/various interview shenanigans.
My own theory on this is that knowledgeable technical people are able to identify others with appropriate proficiency just by asking them pertinent questions. There seems to be a direct correlation between requiring lots of hoop-jumping in the form of code samples, fizzbuzz, "gotcha" implementation or syntax questions that realistically I would go to the documentation over in the course of actual work, and the like, and an interviewer who doesn't really know their stuff, and thus is trying to generate specific responses that they can compare against an answer key of some kind.
add a comment |
The places where I have worked with a smart, competent, motivated and functional team have typically employed LESS whiteboarding/tests/various interview shenanigans.
My own theory on this is that knowledgeable technical people are able to identify others with appropriate proficiency just by asking them pertinent questions. There seems to be a direct correlation between requiring lots of hoop-jumping in the form of code samples, fizzbuzz, "gotcha" implementation or syntax questions that realistically I would go to the documentation over in the course of actual work, and the like, and an interviewer who doesn't really know their stuff, and thus is trying to generate specific responses that they can compare against an answer key of some kind.
The places where I have worked with a smart, competent, motivated and functional team have typically employed LESS whiteboarding/tests/various interview shenanigans.
My own theory on this is that knowledgeable technical people are able to identify others with appropriate proficiency just by asking them pertinent questions. There seems to be a direct correlation between requiring lots of hoop-jumping in the form of code samples, fizzbuzz, "gotcha" implementation or syntax questions that realistically I would go to the documentation over in the course of actual work, and the like, and an interviewer who doesn't really know their stuff, and thus is trying to generate specific responses that they can compare against an answer key of some kind.
answered 4 hours ago
MegMeg
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Interview was just an one hour panel. Got offer the next day; do I take or is this a red flag?
Neither.
Maybe they are bad at interviewing, and maybe that's it and it's a great company. Or maybe it stems from incompetence at everything. Or maybe they've decided that technical interviews and/or skills aren't worth very much compared to willingness to learn and cultural fit — which might be true for their business, or might not be.
You are overthinking their process because you don't have enough information on it to do so. You might want to ask them about it and see what they say. More important, though, would be to follow the advice in O. Jones' answer and interview them. You should give yourself the opportunity to see the red flags rather than guess at them before either taking the offer or (if you are indeed very interested and it's worth your time) rejecting it.
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Interview was just an one hour panel. Got offer the next day; do I take or is this a red flag?
Neither.
Maybe they are bad at interviewing, and maybe that's it and it's a great company. Or maybe it stems from incompetence at everything. Or maybe they've decided that technical interviews and/or skills aren't worth very much compared to willingness to learn and cultural fit — which might be true for their business, or might not be.
You are overthinking their process because you don't have enough information on it to do so. You might want to ask them about it and see what they say. More important, though, would be to follow the advice in O. Jones' answer and interview them. You should give yourself the opportunity to see the red flags rather than guess at them before either taking the offer or (if you are indeed very interested and it's worth your time) rejecting it.
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Interview was just an one hour panel. Got offer the next day; do I take or is this a red flag?
Neither.
Maybe they are bad at interviewing, and maybe that's it and it's a great company. Or maybe it stems from incompetence at everything. Or maybe they've decided that technical interviews and/or skills aren't worth very much compared to willingness to learn and cultural fit — which might be true for their business, or might not be.
You are overthinking their process because you don't have enough information on it to do so. You might want to ask them about it and see what they say. More important, though, would be to follow the advice in O. Jones' answer and interview them. You should give yourself the opportunity to see the red flags rather than guess at them before either taking the offer or (if you are indeed very interested and it's worth your time) rejecting it.
Interview was just an one hour panel. Got offer the next day; do I take or is this a red flag?
Neither.
Maybe they are bad at interviewing, and maybe that's it and it's a great company. Or maybe it stems from incompetence at everything. Or maybe they've decided that technical interviews and/or skills aren't worth very much compared to willingness to learn and cultural fit — which might be true for their business, or might not be.
You are overthinking their process because you don't have enough information on it to do so. You might want to ask them about it and see what they say. More important, though, would be to follow the advice in O. Jones' answer and interview them. You should give yourself the opportunity to see the red flags rather than guess at them before either taking the offer or (if you are indeed very interested and it's worth your time) rejecting it.
answered 4 hours ago
Matthew ReadMatthew Read
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For many companies, the style you described is absolute standard. If these are companies that you wouldn't want to work for because of this, that is of course your decision. But you shouldn't consider it a exceptional behavior or red flag.
I always wondered how common 'show-coding' interviews really are - I have been in panel interviews for at least forty hires in the last fifteen years, and we never would dream of such an interview style.
Coding capabilities are not the most important thing in the selection process (for us), and they can also be improved rather easily. We ask some questions, to verify you really know the language you claim you know, but more than that we value attitude, spirit, communication and other soft skills, and the impression someone gives about smartness and 'teachability'. In other (harsher) words, if you think you know it all already, we might not want to hire you.
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For many companies, the style you described is absolute standard. If these are companies that you wouldn't want to work for because of this, that is of course your decision. But you shouldn't consider it a exceptional behavior or red flag.
I always wondered how common 'show-coding' interviews really are - I have been in panel interviews for at least forty hires in the last fifteen years, and we never would dream of such an interview style.
Coding capabilities are not the most important thing in the selection process (for us), and they can also be improved rather easily. We ask some questions, to verify you really know the language you claim you know, but more than that we value attitude, spirit, communication and other soft skills, and the impression someone gives about smartness and 'teachability'. In other (harsher) words, if you think you know it all already, we might not want to hire you.
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For many companies, the style you described is absolute standard. If these are companies that you wouldn't want to work for because of this, that is of course your decision. But you shouldn't consider it a exceptional behavior or red flag.
I always wondered how common 'show-coding' interviews really are - I have been in panel interviews for at least forty hires in the last fifteen years, and we never would dream of such an interview style.
Coding capabilities are not the most important thing in the selection process (for us), and they can also be improved rather easily. We ask some questions, to verify you really know the language you claim you know, but more than that we value attitude, spirit, communication and other soft skills, and the impression someone gives about smartness and 'teachability'. In other (harsher) words, if you think you know it all already, we might not want to hire you.
For many companies, the style you described is absolute standard. If these are companies that you wouldn't want to work for because of this, that is of course your decision. But you shouldn't consider it a exceptional behavior or red flag.
I always wondered how common 'show-coding' interviews really are - I have been in panel interviews for at least forty hires in the last fifteen years, and we never would dream of such an interview style.
Coding capabilities are not the most important thing in the selection process (for us), and they can also be improved rather easily. We ask some questions, to verify you really know the language you claim you know, but more than that we value attitude, spirit, communication and other soft skills, and the impression someone gives about smartness and 'teachability'. In other (harsher) words, if you think you know it all already, we might not want to hire you.
answered 2 hours ago
AganjuAganju
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Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
You are overthinking it. I once had an interview which was over before I had finished my coffee (took the job) and I once gotten an offer while walking back from the interview to my car (did not take the job). My previous job I landed after a more "normal" process (multi-round interview, offer a few days later). Took the offer, only to find out within a few months that that was a bad decision, and I moved on. Current job? One interview where I interviewed for two positions at the same time (developer and sysadmin), followed by a few weeks of silence, and then a phone call "Can you meet with the CEO tomorrow, he'll make an offer, and can you start next week?" I've been holding that gig for 12.5 years now, and counting.
I've also done 13 interviews (at the same company) in a day (no offer due to visa complications), a 7 AM interview with dozens and dozens of rapidly fired technical questions (they found me overqualified so they didn't make an offer) and an interview process lasting weeks were they slowly whittled down from 60 candidates until they were left with me (took their offer).
And then there are the gazillion times of "we'll get back to you" after the first interview, I'm still waiting for.
My point is that there are many ways companies do their interviews. There isn't a right way to do interviews (as in, there is not a single right way which works for everyone). And from the outside, it's very hard to judge whether a company's style of interviewing is one that works for them. Don't read to much into it. Take it as it is, and if you don't feel comfortable with it (and I do realize that that is very subjective), look elsewhere.
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Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
You are overthinking it. I once had an interview which was over before I had finished my coffee (took the job) and I once gotten an offer while walking back from the interview to my car (did not take the job). My previous job I landed after a more "normal" process (multi-round interview, offer a few days later). Took the offer, only to find out within a few months that that was a bad decision, and I moved on. Current job? One interview where I interviewed for two positions at the same time (developer and sysadmin), followed by a few weeks of silence, and then a phone call "Can you meet with the CEO tomorrow, he'll make an offer, and can you start next week?" I've been holding that gig for 12.5 years now, and counting.
I've also done 13 interviews (at the same company) in a day (no offer due to visa complications), a 7 AM interview with dozens and dozens of rapidly fired technical questions (they found me overqualified so they didn't make an offer) and an interview process lasting weeks were they slowly whittled down from 60 candidates until they were left with me (took their offer).
And then there are the gazillion times of "we'll get back to you" after the first interview, I'm still waiting for.
My point is that there are many ways companies do their interviews. There isn't a right way to do interviews (as in, there is not a single right way which works for everyone). And from the outside, it's very hard to judge whether a company's style of interviewing is one that works for them. Don't read to much into it. Take it as it is, and if you don't feel comfortable with it (and I do realize that that is very subjective), look elsewhere.
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Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
You are overthinking it. I once had an interview which was over before I had finished my coffee (took the job) and I once gotten an offer while walking back from the interview to my car (did not take the job). My previous job I landed after a more "normal" process (multi-round interview, offer a few days later). Took the offer, only to find out within a few months that that was a bad decision, and I moved on. Current job? One interview where I interviewed for two positions at the same time (developer and sysadmin), followed by a few weeks of silence, and then a phone call "Can you meet with the CEO tomorrow, he'll make an offer, and can you start next week?" I've been holding that gig for 12.5 years now, and counting.
I've also done 13 interviews (at the same company) in a day (no offer due to visa complications), a 7 AM interview with dozens and dozens of rapidly fired technical questions (they found me overqualified so they didn't make an offer) and an interview process lasting weeks were they slowly whittled down from 60 candidates until they were left with me (took their offer).
And then there are the gazillion times of "we'll get back to you" after the first interview, I'm still waiting for.
My point is that there are many ways companies do their interviews. There isn't a right way to do interviews (as in, there is not a single right way which works for everyone). And from the outside, it's very hard to judge whether a company's style of interviewing is one that works for them. Don't read to much into it. Take it as it is, and if you don't feel comfortable with it (and I do realize that that is very subjective), look elsewhere.
Should I be concern on how they did their interviewing process or am I just overthinking it?
You are overthinking it. I once had an interview which was over before I had finished my coffee (took the job) and I once gotten an offer while walking back from the interview to my car (did not take the job). My previous job I landed after a more "normal" process (multi-round interview, offer a few days later). Took the offer, only to find out within a few months that that was a bad decision, and I moved on. Current job? One interview where I interviewed for two positions at the same time (developer and sysadmin), followed by a few weeks of silence, and then a phone call "Can you meet with the CEO tomorrow, he'll make an offer, and can you start next week?" I've been holding that gig for 12.5 years now, and counting.
I've also done 13 interviews (at the same company) in a day (no offer due to visa complications), a 7 AM interview with dozens and dozens of rapidly fired technical questions (they found me overqualified so they didn't make an offer) and an interview process lasting weeks were they slowly whittled down from 60 candidates until they were left with me (took their offer).
And then there are the gazillion times of "we'll get back to you" after the first interview, I'm still waiting for.
My point is that there are many ways companies do their interviews. There isn't a right way to do interviews (as in, there is not a single right way which works for everyone). And from the outside, it's very hard to judge whether a company's style of interviewing is one that works for them. Don't read to much into it. Take it as it is, and if you don't feel comfortable with it (and I do realize that that is very subjective), look elsewhere.
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Interviews don't have to be the long, grueling affairs that some employers make them. Interviewing is often about "fit", as in "Do you fit in their culture?". For some places, the interviewers believe they can figure this out quickly. Furthermore, people often assume your resume tells the story of what you've done and/or they ask just enough to figure out if it (the resume) is truthful.
As noted elsewhere, already having a security clearance is a big advantage in certain environments. So, if you already have the skills they want and the appropriate clearance, that may be all the really want. The interview may have been a formality to make sure you have a pulse and aren't a jeans & tee shirt person walking into a suit & tie kind of place (or vice versa).
My own experiences include a couple hiring processes that bear this out:
Personally, I was once offered a job (also in the defense sector) without even interviewing. The recruiter assured me I would love the job, even though he couldn't tell me what it was. I decided not to take that job.
The shortest actual interview I ever had was 20 minutes. (To be fair I did have to take a coding test separately, but they wouldn't have had me do that if I hadn't passed the interview.) The hiring manager saw that I had certain skills that were relevant to the job and had some experiences that were not directly related to that actual job, but of interest to him. At that point, he just said "Hire him". It wasn't a great job, but I stayed there for a few years while I took classes to improve my background for something I would like better. I then left for one of the best two jobs I've had.
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Interviews don't have to be the long, grueling affairs that some employers make them. Interviewing is often about "fit", as in "Do you fit in their culture?". For some places, the interviewers believe they can figure this out quickly. Furthermore, people often assume your resume tells the story of what you've done and/or they ask just enough to figure out if it (the resume) is truthful.
As noted elsewhere, already having a security clearance is a big advantage in certain environments. So, if you already have the skills they want and the appropriate clearance, that may be all the really want. The interview may have been a formality to make sure you have a pulse and aren't a jeans & tee shirt person walking into a suit & tie kind of place (or vice versa).
My own experiences include a couple hiring processes that bear this out:
Personally, I was once offered a job (also in the defense sector) without even interviewing. The recruiter assured me I would love the job, even though he couldn't tell me what it was. I decided not to take that job.
The shortest actual interview I ever had was 20 minutes. (To be fair I did have to take a coding test separately, but they wouldn't have had me do that if I hadn't passed the interview.) The hiring manager saw that I had certain skills that were relevant to the job and had some experiences that were not directly related to that actual job, but of interest to him. At that point, he just said "Hire him". It wasn't a great job, but I stayed there for a few years while I took classes to improve my background for something I would like better. I then left for one of the best two jobs I've had.
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Interviews don't have to be the long, grueling affairs that some employers make them. Interviewing is often about "fit", as in "Do you fit in their culture?". For some places, the interviewers believe they can figure this out quickly. Furthermore, people often assume your resume tells the story of what you've done and/or they ask just enough to figure out if it (the resume) is truthful.
As noted elsewhere, already having a security clearance is a big advantage in certain environments. So, if you already have the skills they want and the appropriate clearance, that may be all the really want. The interview may have been a formality to make sure you have a pulse and aren't a jeans & tee shirt person walking into a suit & tie kind of place (or vice versa).
My own experiences include a couple hiring processes that bear this out:
Personally, I was once offered a job (also in the defense sector) without even interviewing. The recruiter assured me I would love the job, even though he couldn't tell me what it was. I decided not to take that job.
The shortest actual interview I ever had was 20 minutes. (To be fair I did have to take a coding test separately, but they wouldn't have had me do that if I hadn't passed the interview.) The hiring manager saw that I had certain skills that were relevant to the job and had some experiences that were not directly related to that actual job, but of interest to him. At that point, he just said "Hire him". It wasn't a great job, but I stayed there for a few years while I took classes to improve my background for something I would like better. I then left for one of the best two jobs I've had.
Interviews don't have to be the long, grueling affairs that some employers make them. Interviewing is often about "fit", as in "Do you fit in their culture?". For some places, the interviewers believe they can figure this out quickly. Furthermore, people often assume your resume tells the story of what you've done and/or they ask just enough to figure out if it (the resume) is truthful.
As noted elsewhere, already having a security clearance is a big advantage in certain environments. So, if you already have the skills they want and the appropriate clearance, that may be all the really want. The interview may have been a formality to make sure you have a pulse and aren't a jeans & tee shirt person walking into a suit & tie kind of place (or vice versa).
My own experiences include a couple hiring processes that bear this out:
Personally, I was once offered a job (also in the defense sector) without even interviewing. The recruiter assured me I would love the job, even though he couldn't tell me what it was. I decided not to take that job.
The shortest actual interview I ever had was 20 minutes. (To be fair I did have to take a coding test separately, but they wouldn't have had me do that if I hadn't passed the interview.) The hiring manager saw that I had certain skills that were relevant to the job and had some experiences that were not directly related to that actual job, but of interest to him. At that point, he just said "Hire him". It wasn't a great job, but I stayed there for a few years while I took classes to improve my background for something I would like better. I then left for one of the best two jobs I've had.
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I am going to be the dissenting voice here. I had this experience. I interviewed with a government contractor doing software. Just met with one or two people and got an offer. High paying offer.
It was one of the worse places I have worked. We had people that were so bad they wouldn't even bill them to the contract and it still took them forever to justify getting rid of them.
You are a body in a seat billing $200 an hour to the contract of which $100 is profit to the company. They don't care about being efficient. Efficient costs them money. I had arguments about computer equipment, doing things smart and efficient, you name it. They actually told me that being more efficient by having a second monitor was not in their best interests.
It was not all bad. There were some smart people. But they were not very prevalent and that was not the culture.
Your mileage will vary. Could be the most amazing place ever. Who knows. But bear in mind, everyone else there had as much of a screening as you did.
And just because your co-workers have clearances means nothing. A clearance just means you don't have bad debts, don't do dope, and are basically a boring person.
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I am going to be the dissenting voice here. I had this experience. I interviewed with a government contractor doing software. Just met with one or two people and got an offer. High paying offer.
It was one of the worse places I have worked. We had people that were so bad they wouldn't even bill them to the contract and it still took them forever to justify getting rid of them.
You are a body in a seat billing $200 an hour to the contract of which $100 is profit to the company. They don't care about being efficient. Efficient costs them money. I had arguments about computer equipment, doing things smart and efficient, you name it. They actually told me that being more efficient by having a second monitor was not in their best interests.
It was not all bad. There were some smart people. But they were not very prevalent and that was not the culture.
Your mileage will vary. Could be the most amazing place ever. Who knows. But bear in mind, everyone else there had as much of a screening as you did.
And just because your co-workers have clearances means nothing. A clearance just means you don't have bad debts, don't do dope, and are basically a boring person.
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I am going to be the dissenting voice here. I had this experience. I interviewed with a government contractor doing software. Just met with one or two people and got an offer. High paying offer.
It was one of the worse places I have worked. We had people that were so bad they wouldn't even bill them to the contract and it still took them forever to justify getting rid of them.
You are a body in a seat billing $200 an hour to the contract of which $100 is profit to the company. They don't care about being efficient. Efficient costs them money. I had arguments about computer equipment, doing things smart and efficient, you name it. They actually told me that being more efficient by having a second monitor was not in their best interests.
It was not all bad. There were some smart people. But they were not very prevalent and that was not the culture.
Your mileage will vary. Could be the most amazing place ever. Who knows. But bear in mind, everyone else there had as much of a screening as you did.
And just because your co-workers have clearances means nothing. A clearance just means you don't have bad debts, don't do dope, and are basically a boring person.
I am going to be the dissenting voice here. I had this experience. I interviewed with a government contractor doing software. Just met with one or two people and got an offer. High paying offer.
It was one of the worse places I have worked. We had people that were so bad they wouldn't even bill them to the contract and it still took them forever to justify getting rid of them.
You are a body in a seat billing $200 an hour to the contract of which $100 is profit to the company. They don't care about being efficient. Efficient costs them money. I had arguments about computer equipment, doing things smart and efficient, you name it. They actually told me that being more efficient by having a second monitor was not in their best interests.
It was not all bad. There were some smart people. But they were not very prevalent and that was not the culture.
Your mileage will vary. Could be the most amazing place ever. Who knows. But bear in mind, everyone else there had as much of a screening as you did.
And just because your co-workers have clearances means nothing. A clearance just means you don't have bad debts, don't do dope, and are basically a boring person.
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See also the Joel Test point 11.
– Brandin
12 hours ago
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Did you ask questions about the company standards during the interview process?
– lucasgcb
12 hours ago
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This is not that unusual if your resume and code samples online already prove your experience. I wouldn't go so far to say it happens most of the time but it's not weird.
– Keith Loughnane
11 hours ago
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Possibly this company uses the probation time of the contract to weed out bad fits.
– Mark Rotteveel
6 hours ago
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@Brandin: I have to disagree with that point #11, and the whole idea of whiteboard coding tests. You can't really test anything significant, and there are a subset of people - I'm one - who simply can't work like that. (I've gotten job offers with no interview at all, or just a "do we like this guy?" one, on the basis of published work or personal recommendations, but failed miserably at the one interview I had with a whiteboard coding test.) Using a whiteboard test seems to automatically eliminate a subset of applicants who might otherwise be good at the job.
– jamesqf
1 hour ago