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Is there a radar system monitoring the UK mainland border?
In a private watercraft I have undertaken multi-leg sea journeys to and from the UK via other countries (France, Ireland) without going through any kind of border control.
Are movements of this kind monitored?
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In a private watercraft I have undertaken multi-leg sea journeys to and from the UK via other countries (France, Ireland) without going through any kind of border control.
Are movements of this kind monitored?
untied-kingdom
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You're specifically asking about a radar system designed to detect small boats for purposes of preventing smuggling (of drugs, immigrant, terrorists, etc.), right?
– divibisan
8 hours ago
Yes I am. ... . .
– Ben
8 hours ago
Would the radar capabilities of the vessels patrolling the UK's territorial waters count as "a radar system"?
– phoog
6 hours ago
I would note that reporting requirements for private craft arriving from other EU countries allow them not to report if there are no third-country nationals aboard. No radar system will allow anyone to determine whether vessels that aren't reporting are in compliance.
– phoog
4 hours ago
Additionally, radars are useless if there are not ships (or maybe helicopters) nearby available to intercept any suspicious vessel.
– SJuan76
3 hours ago
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In a private watercraft I have undertaken multi-leg sea journeys to and from the UK via other countries (France, Ireland) without going through any kind of border control.
Are movements of this kind monitored?
untied-kingdom
In a private watercraft I have undertaken multi-leg sea journeys to and from the UK via other countries (France, Ireland) without going through any kind of border control.
Are movements of this kind monitored?
untied-kingdom
untied-kingdom
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You're specifically asking about a radar system designed to detect small boats for purposes of preventing smuggling (of drugs, immigrant, terrorists, etc.), right?
– divibisan
8 hours ago
Yes I am. ... . .
– Ben
8 hours ago
Would the radar capabilities of the vessels patrolling the UK's territorial waters count as "a radar system"?
– phoog
6 hours ago
I would note that reporting requirements for private craft arriving from other EU countries allow them not to report if there are no third-country nationals aboard. No radar system will allow anyone to determine whether vessels that aren't reporting are in compliance.
– phoog
4 hours ago
Additionally, radars are useless if there are not ships (or maybe helicopters) nearby available to intercept any suspicious vessel.
– SJuan76
3 hours ago
add a comment |
3
You're specifically asking about a radar system designed to detect small boats for purposes of preventing smuggling (of drugs, immigrant, terrorists, etc.), right?
– divibisan
8 hours ago
Yes I am. ... . .
– Ben
8 hours ago
Would the radar capabilities of the vessels patrolling the UK's territorial waters count as "a radar system"?
– phoog
6 hours ago
I would note that reporting requirements for private craft arriving from other EU countries allow them not to report if there are no third-country nationals aboard. No radar system will allow anyone to determine whether vessels that aren't reporting are in compliance.
– phoog
4 hours ago
Additionally, radars are useless if there are not ships (or maybe helicopters) nearby available to intercept any suspicious vessel.
– SJuan76
3 hours ago
3
3
You're specifically asking about a radar system designed to detect small boats for purposes of preventing smuggling (of drugs, immigrant, terrorists, etc.), right?
– divibisan
8 hours ago
You're specifically asking about a radar system designed to detect small boats for purposes of preventing smuggling (of drugs, immigrant, terrorists, etc.), right?
– divibisan
8 hours ago
Yes I am. ... . .
– Ben
8 hours ago
Yes I am. ... . .
– Ben
8 hours ago
Would the radar capabilities of the vessels patrolling the UK's territorial waters count as "a radar system"?
– phoog
6 hours ago
Would the radar capabilities of the vessels patrolling the UK's territorial waters count as "a radar system"?
– phoog
6 hours ago
I would note that reporting requirements for private craft arriving from other EU countries allow them not to report if there are no third-country nationals aboard. No radar system will allow anyone to determine whether vessels that aren't reporting are in compliance.
– phoog
4 hours ago
I would note that reporting requirements for private craft arriving from other EU countries allow them not to report if there are no third-country nationals aboard. No radar system will allow anyone to determine whether vessels that aren't reporting are in compliance.
– phoog
4 hours ago
Additionally, radars are useless if there are not ships (or maybe helicopters) nearby available to intercept any suspicious vessel.
– SJuan76
3 hours ago
Additionally, radars are useless if there are not ships (or maybe helicopters) nearby available to intercept any suspicious vessel.
– SJuan76
3 hours ago
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Through Her Majesty's Coastguard, the Maritime Coastguard Agency operates some vessels that have radar. Its vessels range from rigid-hulled inflatable boats to five cutters it claims are operated on a 24 hour day, 365 days a year basis (although at times some of the cutters have not been available page 59). The MCA also operates some helicopters and fixed wing aircraft for surveillance as well as search and rescue.
According to a Policy Exchange report published in July 2018, Dover is the only place that has coastal radar. However, port authorities have radar and there are smaller radar systems dotted around the coastline, which can detect targets as close as the adjacent beach or up to 15 nautical miles.
In September 2018 the Sunday Telegraph reported that the Home Office has invited tenders for development of a "super radar system" for the Kent coast. This must be "able to identify and track small boats, but mainly RHIBs."
There are various difficulties with using radar to spot a vessel, from its characteristics (including size and shape) to radar clutter, which can mask its presence. Despite radar systems, trained radar operators, radar reflectors, AIS, lookouts and innocent intentions, sometimes even container ships and fishing trawlers fail to see each other and collide. Or ferries and pleasure yachts (see also and also).
The Government recommends that "Yachtsmen permanently install, not just carry on-board, a radar reflector or RTE that offers the largest Radar Cross Section (RCS) practicable for their vessel". The Government also says it's "essential for skippers to be aware that, notwithstanding the type of radar reflector fitted, in certain circumstances their craft may still not be readily visible on ships' radars."
So you can see that even if you were trying to be obvious you may have been completely missed. Or you were spotted and deemed not to be of interest.
The Policy Exchange report says "In the absence of any data collection about small boats arriving in the UK, is there some consistent surveillance of the coastline itself? No, it is simply too big." But "crossing the channel in a small boat is a hazardous exercise that requires traversing one of the busiest shipping channels in the world."
Nice answer. I looked for this sort of thing online but didn't find much.
– phoog
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There is radar for traffic control, especially in crowded areas like the English Channel. It is mostly concerned with big ships, so smaller ones may be able to evade it, especially in high sea states.
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Through Her Majesty's Coastguard, the Maritime Coastguard Agency operates some vessels that have radar. Its vessels range from rigid-hulled inflatable boats to five cutters it claims are operated on a 24 hour day, 365 days a year basis (although at times some of the cutters have not been available page 59). The MCA also operates some helicopters and fixed wing aircraft for surveillance as well as search and rescue.
According to a Policy Exchange report published in July 2018, Dover is the only place that has coastal radar. However, port authorities have radar and there are smaller radar systems dotted around the coastline, which can detect targets as close as the adjacent beach or up to 15 nautical miles.
In September 2018 the Sunday Telegraph reported that the Home Office has invited tenders for development of a "super radar system" for the Kent coast. This must be "able to identify and track small boats, but mainly RHIBs."
There are various difficulties with using radar to spot a vessel, from its characteristics (including size and shape) to radar clutter, which can mask its presence. Despite radar systems, trained radar operators, radar reflectors, AIS, lookouts and innocent intentions, sometimes even container ships and fishing trawlers fail to see each other and collide. Or ferries and pleasure yachts (see also and also).
The Government recommends that "Yachtsmen permanently install, not just carry on-board, a radar reflector or RTE that offers the largest Radar Cross Section (RCS) practicable for their vessel". The Government also says it's "essential for skippers to be aware that, notwithstanding the type of radar reflector fitted, in certain circumstances their craft may still not be readily visible on ships' radars."
So you can see that even if you were trying to be obvious you may have been completely missed. Or you were spotted and deemed not to be of interest.
The Policy Exchange report says "In the absence of any data collection about small boats arriving in the UK, is there some consistent surveillance of the coastline itself? No, it is simply too big." But "crossing the channel in a small boat is a hazardous exercise that requires traversing one of the busiest shipping channels in the world."
Nice answer. I looked for this sort of thing online but didn't find much.
– phoog
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Through Her Majesty's Coastguard, the Maritime Coastguard Agency operates some vessels that have radar. Its vessels range from rigid-hulled inflatable boats to five cutters it claims are operated on a 24 hour day, 365 days a year basis (although at times some of the cutters have not been available page 59). The MCA also operates some helicopters and fixed wing aircraft for surveillance as well as search and rescue.
According to a Policy Exchange report published in July 2018, Dover is the only place that has coastal radar. However, port authorities have radar and there are smaller radar systems dotted around the coastline, which can detect targets as close as the adjacent beach or up to 15 nautical miles.
In September 2018 the Sunday Telegraph reported that the Home Office has invited tenders for development of a "super radar system" for the Kent coast. This must be "able to identify and track small boats, but mainly RHIBs."
There are various difficulties with using radar to spot a vessel, from its characteristics (including size and shape) to radar clutter, which can mask its presence. Despite radar systems, trained radar operators, radar reflectors, AIS, lookouts and innocent intentions, sometimes even container ships and fishing trawlers fail to see each other and collide. Or ferries and pleasure yachts (see also and also).
The Government recommends that "Yachtsmen permanently install, not just carry on-board, a radar reflector or RTE that offers the largest Radar Cross Section (RCS) practicable for their vessel". The Government also says it's "essential for skippers to be aware that, notwithstanding the type of radar reflector fitted, in certain circumstances their craft may still not be readily visible on ships' radars."
So you can see that even if you were trying to be obvious you may have been completely missed. Or you were spotted and deemed not to be of interest.
The Policy Exchange report says "In the absence of any data collection about small boats arriving in the UK, is there some consistent surveillance of the coastline itself? No, it is simply too big." But "crossing the channel in a small boat is a hazardous exercise that requires traversing one of the busiest shipping channels in the world."
Nice answer. I looked for this sort of thing online but didn't find much.
– phoog
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Through Her Majesty's Coastguard, the Maritime Coastguard Agency operates some vessels that have radar. Its vessels range from rigid-hulled inflatable boats to five cutters it claims are operated on a 24 hour day, 365 days a year basis (although at times some of the cutters have not been available page 59). The MCA also operates some helicopters and fixed wing aircraft for surveillance as well as search and rescue.
According to a Policy Exchange report published in July 2018, Dover is the only place that has coastal radar. However, port authorities have radar and there are smaller radar systems dotted around the coastline, which can detect targets as close as the adjacent beach or up to 15 nautical miles.
In September 2018 the Sunday Telegraph reported that the Home Office has invited tenders for development of a "super radar system" for the Kent coast. This must be "able to identify and track small boats, but mainly RHIBs."
There are various difficulties with using radar to spot a vessel, from its characteristics (including size and shape) to radar clutter, which can mask its presence. Despite radar systems, trained radar operators, radar reflectors, AIS, lookouts and innocent intentions, sometimes even container ships and fishing trawlers fail to see each other and collide. Or ferries and pleasure yachts (see also and also).
The Government recommends that "Yachtsmen permanently install, not just carry on-board, a radar reflector or RTE that offers the largest Radar Cross Section (RCS) practicable for their vessel". The Government also says it's "essential for skippers to be aware that, notwithstanding the type of radar reflector fitted, in certain circumstances their craft may still not be readily visible on ships' radars."
So you can see that even if you were trying to be obvious you may have been completely missed. Or you were spotted and deemed not to be of interest.
The Policy Exchange report says "In the absence of any data collection about small boats arriving in the UK, is there some consistent surveillance of the coastline itself? No, it is simply too big." But "crossing the channel in a small boat is a hazardous exercise that requires traversing one of the busiest shipping channels in the world."
Through Her Majesty's Coastguard, the Maritime Coastguard Agency operates some vessels that have radar. Its vessels range from rigid-hulled inflatable boats to five cutters it claims are operated on a 24 hour day, 365 days a year basis (although at times some of the cutters have not been available page 59). The MCA also operates some helicopters and fixed wing aircraft for surveillance as well as search and rescue.
According to a Policy Exchange report published in July 2018, Dover is the only place that has coastal radar. However, port authorities have radar and there are smaller radar systems dotted around the coastline, which can detect targets as close as the adjacent beach or up to 15 nautical miles.
In September 2018 the Sunday Telegraph reported that the Home Office has invited tenders for development of a "super radar system" for the Kent coast. This must be "able to identify and track small boats, but mainly RHIBs."
There are various difficulties with using radar to spot a vessel, from its characteristics (including size and shape) to radar clutter, which can mask its presence. Despite radar systems, trained radar operators, radar reflectors, AIS, lookouts and innocent intentions, sometimes even container ships and fishing trawlers fail to see each other and collide. Or ferries and pleasure yachts (see also and also).
The Government recommends that "Yachtsmen permanently install, not just carry on-board, a radar reflector or RTE that offers the largest Radar Cross Section (RCS) practicable for their vessel". The Government also says it's "essential for skippers to be aware that, notwithstanding the type of radar reflector fitted, in certain circumstances their craft may still not be readily visible on ships' radars."
So you can see that even if you were trying to be obvious you may have been completely missed. Or you were spotted and deemed not to be of interest.
The Policy Exchange report says "In the absence of any data collection about small boats arriving in the UK, is there some consistent surveillance of the coastline itself? No, it is simply too big." But "crossing the channel in a small boat is a hazardous exercise that requires traversing one of the busiest shipping channels in the world."
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Nice answer. I looked for this sort of thing online but didn't find much.
– phoog
4 hours ago
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Nice answer. I looked for this sort of thing online but didn't find much.
– phoog
4 hours ago
Nice answer. I looked for this sort of thing online but didn't find much.
– phoog
4 hours ago
Nice answer. I looked for this sort of thing online but didn't find much.
– phoog
4 hours ago
add a comment |
There is radar for traffic control, especially in crowded areas like the English Channel. It is mostly concerned with big ships, so smaller ones may be able to evade it, especially in high sea states.
add a comment |
There is radar for traffic control, especially in crowded areas like the English Channel. It is mostly concerned with big ships, so smaller ones may be able to evade it, especially in high sea states.
add a comment |
There is radar for traffic control, especially in crowded areas like the English Channel. It is mostly concerned with big ships, so smaller ones may be able to evade it, especially in high sea states.
There is radar for traffic control, especially in crowded areas like the English Channel. It is mostly concerned with big ships, so smaller ones may be able to evade it, especially in high sea states.
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You're specifically asking about a radar system designed to detect small boats for purposes of preventing smuggling (of drugs, immigrant, terrorists, etc.), right?
– divibisan
8 hours ago
Yes I am. ... . .
– Ben
8 hours ago
Would the radar capabilities of the vessels patrolling the UK's territorial waters count as "a radar system"?
– phoog
6 hours ago
I would note that reporting requirements for private craft arriving from other EU countries allow them not to report if there are no third-country nationals aboard. No radar system will allow anyone to determine whether vessels that aren't reporting are in compliance.
– phoog
4 hours ago
Additionally, radars are useless if there are not ships (or maybe helicopters) nearby available to intercept any suspicious vessel.
– SJuan76
3 hours ago