A grammar issue?What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?How can I improve my Japanese vocabulary, grammar, and listening skills?Can someone explain the logic of the grammar “とは限らない”What is the difference between the wave dash 〜 and long vowel marker ー when marking long vowels?Introductions and grammarJapanese grammar structure orderWhy are long vowels represented differently in hiragana and katakana?Grammar of verb + noun + からIs it a particular grammar?Use of Dash or Hyphen in Telephone Numbersなんだけど Meaning and grammar patterns
administrative duties kill the research spirit?
Pandas merge and fillna
Should I cheat if the majority does it?
Why is the saxophone not common in classical repertoire?
What are the differences of checking a self-signed certificate vs ignore it?
Phrasing "it says" or "it reads"
What is a "tittering order"?
Where is read command?
What is meaning of 4 letter acronyms in Roman names like Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Sabinus?
A grammar issue?
Is it possible that Curiosity measured its own methane or failed doing the spectrometry?
Should I hide my travel history to the UK when I apply for an Australian visa?
How might boat designs change in order to allow them to be pulled by dragons?
How frequently do Russian people still refer to others by their patronymic (отчество)?
How to create a 2D table with varying step?
What is the difference between figures illustration and images?
My players like to search everything. What do they find?
Construction of the word подтвержда́ть
Why did my leaking pool light trip the circuit breaker, but not the GFCI?
Will greasing clutch parts make it softer
Is it possible to spoof an IP address to an exact number?
Misaligned Columns
Why did moving the mouse cursor cause Windows 95 to run more quickly?
How can I get a file's size with C++17?
A grammar issue?
What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?How can I improve my Japanese vocabulary, grammar, and listening skills?Can someone explain the logic of the grammar “とは限らない”What is the difference between the wave dash 〜 and long vowel marker ー when marking long vowels?Introductions and grammarJapanese grammar structure orderWhy are long vowels represented differently in hiragana and katakana?Grammar of verb + noun + からIs it a particular grammar?Use of Dash or Hyphen in Telephone Numbersなんだけど Meaning and grammar patterns
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
What is the meaning of the "long hyphen," --, a DASH really, for grammar, translation, and punctuation? For example :
シャワーヘッド (Shawaheddo)? Thank you
grammar pronunciation katakana spelling long-vowels
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |
What is the meaning of the "long hyphen," --, a DASH really, for grammar, translation, and punctuation? For example :
シャワーヘッド (Shawaheddo)? Thank you
grammar pronunciation katakana spelling long-vowels
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
2
Nope, not a grammar issue.
– snailboat♦
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?
– Em.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
What is the meaning of the "long hyphen," --, a DASH really, for grammar, translation, and punctuation? For example :
シャワーヘッド (Shawaheddo)? Thank you
grammar pronunciation katakana spelling long-vowels
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
What is the meaning of the "long hyphen," --, a DASH really, for grammar, translation, and punctuation? For example :
シャワーヘッド (Shawaheddo)? Thank you
grammar pronunciation katakana spelling long-vowels
grammar pronunciation katakana spelling long-vowels
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
edited 6 hours ago
Eiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
asked 8 hours ago
Twanvessel MadisonTwanvessel Madison
111 bronze badge
111 bronze badge
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
2
Nope, not a grammar issue.
– snailboat♦
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?
– Em.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
2
Nope, not a grammar issue.
– snailboat♦
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?
– Em.
4 hours ago
2
2
Nope, not a grammar issue.
– snailboat♦
5 hours ago
Nope, not a grammar issue.
– snailboat♦
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?
– Em.
4 hours ago
Possible duplicate of What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?
– Em.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
This 'long hyphen' is the elongation mark. It makes the vowel before it long. In English what we call 'long vowels' are qualitatively different from 'short vowels', but in Japanese the sole difference between long and short vowels is their actual length. Long vowels are held for about twice as long as short.
('er' sounds tend to become アー in translation, by the way)
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
Maybe this should be s separate question, but I wonder if there is any rule / reason for the two "hiragana-ways" to elongate お. I mean like おおさか(大阪) vs. おうさま(王様) as to me they both sound the same, and both long おs make up one character (大vs王). So what defines おお vs おう. p.s. Of course, in the case of e.g. 大岡山 (a place in Tokyo), it is clear that, given that 大 is written with おお, 大岡山 is therefore おおおかやま as the "3rd o" is the short one of 岡 and if there was a place called 王岡山 that would similarly have to be おうおかやま.
– Tuomo
5 hours ago
@Tuomo Yes, that should be a separate question.
– snailboat♦
4 hours ago
add a comment |
In addition to Aeon Akechi's answer, notice too that the long-vowel mark is written as a horizontal stroke ー when the text is horizontal, and as a vertical stroke | when the text is vertical.
(Typography geeks: the vertical stroke above is the U+01C0 pipe character rather than a proper U+30FC long vowel mark displayed vertically, since I can't figure out how to get the Stack Overflow platform to show real vertically aligned text.)
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "257"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fjapanese.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f69214%2fa-grammar-issue%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
This 'long hyphen' is the elongation mark. It makes the vowel before it long. In English what we call 'long vowels' are qualitatively different from 'short vowels', but in Japanese the sole difference between long and short vowels is their actual length. Long vowels are held for about twice as long as short.
('er' sounds tend to become アー in translation, by the way)
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
Maybe this should be s separate question, but I wonder if there is any rule / reason for the two "hiragana-ways" to elongate お. I mean like おおさか(大阪) vs. おうさま(王様) as to me they both sound the same, and both long おs make up one character (大vs王). So what defines おお vs おう. p.s. Of course, in the case of e.g. 大岡山 (a place in Tokyo), it is clear that, given that 大 is written with おお, 大岡山 is therefore おおおかやま as the "3rd o" is the short one of 岡 and if there was a place called 王岡山 that would similarly have to be おうおかやま.
– Tuomo
5 hours ago
@Tuomo Yes, that should be a separate question.
– snailboat♦
4 hours ago
add a comment |
This 'long hyphen' is the elongation mark. It makes the vowel before it long. In English what we call 'long vowels' are qualitatively different from 'short vowels', but in Japanese the sole difference between long and short vowels is their actual length. Long vowels are held for about twice as long as short.
('er' sounds tend to become アー in translation, by the way)
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
Maybe this should be s separate question, but I wonder if there is any rule / reason for the two "hiragana-ways" to elongate お. I mean like おおさか(大阪) vs. おうさま(王様) as to me they both sound the same, and both long おs make up one character (大vs王). So what defines おお vs おう. p.s. Of course, in the case of e.g. 大岡山 (a place in Tokyo), it is clear that, given that 大 is written with おお, 大岡山 is therefore おおおかやま as the "3rd o" is the short one of 岡 and if there was a place called 王岡山 that would similarly have to be おうおかやま.
– Tuomo
5 hours ago
@Tuomo Yes, that should be a separate question.
– snailboat♦
4 hours ago
add a comment |
This 'long hyphen' is the elongation mark. It makes the vowel before it long. In English what we call 'long vowels' are qualitatively different from 'short vowels', but in Japanese the sole difference between long and short vowels is their actual length. Long vowels are held for about twice as long as short.
('er' sounds tend to become アー in translation, by the way)
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
This 'long hyphen' is the elongation mark. It makes the vowel before it long. In English what we call 'long vowels' are qualitatively different from 'short vowels', but in Japanese the sole difference between long and short vowels is their actual length. Long vowels are held for about twice as long as short.
('er' sounds tend to become アー in translation, by the way)
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
answered 8 hours ago
Aeon AkechiAeon Akechi
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
5,1591 gold badge14 silver badges43 bronze badges
Maybe this should be s separate question, but I wonder if there is any rule / reason for the two "hiragana-ways" to elongate お. I mean like おおさか(大阪) vs. おうさま(王様) as to me they both sound the same, and both long おs make up one character (大vs王). So what defines おお vs おう. p.s. Of course, in the case of e.g. 大岡山 (a place in Tokyo), it is clear that, given that 大 is written with おお, 大岡山 is therefore おおおかやま as the "3rd o" is the short one of 岡 and if there was a place called 王岡山 that would similarly have to be おうおかやま.
– Tuomo
5 hours ago
@Tuomo Yes, that should be a separate question.
– snailboat♦
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Maybe this should be s separate question, but I wonder if there is any rule / reason for the two "hiragana-ways" to elongate お. I mean like おおさか(大阪) vs. おうさま(王様) as to me they both sound the same, and both long おs make up one character (大vs王). So what defines おお vs おう. p.s. Of course, in the case of e.g. 大岡山 (a place in Tokyo), it is clear that, given that 大 is written with おお, 大岡山 is therefore おおおかやま as the "3rd o" is the short one of 岡 and if there was a place called 王岡山 that would similarly have to be おうおかやま.
– Tuomo
5 hours ago
@Tuomo Yes, that should be a separate question.
– snailboat♦
4 hours ago
Maybe this should be s separate question, but I wonder if there is any rule / reason for the two "hiragana-ways" to elongate お. I mean like おおさか(大阪) vs. おうさま(王様) as to me they both sound the same, and both long おs make up one character (大vs王). So what defines おお vs おう. p.s. Of course, in the case of e.g. 大岡山 (a place in Tokyo), it is clear that, given that 大 is written with おお, 大岡山 is therefore おおおかやま as the "3rd o" is the short one of 岡 and if there was a place called 王岡山 that would similarly have to be おうおかやま.
– Tuomo
5 hours ago
Maybe this should be s separate question, but I wonder if there is any rule / reason for the two "hiragana-ways" to elongate お. I mean like おおさか(大阪) vs. おうさま(王様) as to me they both sound the same, and both long おs make up one character (大vs王). So what defines おお vs おう. p.s. Of course, in the case of e.g. 大岡山 (a place in Tokyo), it is clear that, given that 大 is written with おお, 大岡山 is therefore おおおかやま as the "3rd o" is the short one of 岡 and if there was a place called 王岡山 that would similarly have to be おうおかやま.
– Tuomo
5 hours ago
@Tuomo Yes, that should be a separate question.
– snailboat♦
4 hours ago
@Tuomo Yes, that should be a separate question.
– snailboat♦
4 hours ago
add a comment |
In addition to Aeon Akechi's answer, notice too that the long-vowel mark is written as a horizontal stroke ー when the text is horizontal, and as a vertical stroke | when the text is vertical.
(Typography geeks: the vertical stroke above is the U+01C0 pipe character rather than a proper U+30FC long vowel mark displayed vertically, since I can't figure out how to get the Stack Overflow platform to show real vertically aligned text.)
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
add a comment |
In addition to Aeon Akechi's answer, notice too that the long-vowel mark is written as a horizontal stroke ー when the text is horizontal, and as a vertical stroke | when the text is vertical.
(Typography geeks: the vertical stroke above is the U+01C0 pipe character rather than a proper U+30FC long vowel mark displayed vertically, since I can't figure out how to get the Stack Overflow platform to show real vertically aligned text.)
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
add a comment |
In addition to Aeon Akechi's answer, notice too that the long-vowel mark is written as a horizontal stroke ー when the text is horizontal, and as a vertical stroke | when the text is vertical.
(Typography geeks: the vertical stroke above is the U+01C0 pipe character rather than a proper U+30FC long vowel mark displayed vertically, since I can't figure out how to get the Stack Overflow platform to show real vertically aligned text.)
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
In addition to Aeon Akechi's answer, notice too that the long-vowel mark is written as a horizontal stroke ー when the text is horizontal, and as a vertical stroke | when the text is vertical.
(Typography geeks: the vertical stroke above is the U+01C0 pipe character rather than a proper U+30FC long vowel mark displayed vertically, since I can't figure out how to get the Stack Overflow platform to show real vertically aligned text.)
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
answered 6 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
19.9k1 gold badge36 silver badges70 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Twanvessel Madison is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Japanese Language Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fjapanese.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f69214%2fa-grammar-issue%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
2
Nope, not a grammar issue.
– snailboat♦
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of What do ー, 「, and 」 mean?
– Em.
4 hours ago