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I want to properly typeset the versicle and response symbols. The versicle symbol looks like this:

and the response symbol is the same but with "R" instead of "V".

The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List provides a solution which requires XeLaTeX and the Junicode font, but is there a way to properly typeset the symbols using pdfLaTeX (i.e. is there a package which provides the symbols)? If not, what is the best way to construct the symbols manually?

I managed to construct something that looks like a versicle with

newcommandversicle$mathbfnotmkern -3mu mathrmV$

but I'm not skilled at constructing symbols and I know that's not right.

I'm open to using XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX if necessary to properly typeset these symbols but I'd like to know if there is a good way to do it with pdfLaTeX.

---

An example of the use of these symbols can be found in, e.g., Wikipedia's article on the Tantum ergo:

symbols

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  Are rthey symbols for maths relations, or binary relations?
  
  – Bernard
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Bernard No, I used math mode simply so I could use not for the slash. My code is very much a hack, just to demonstrate that I tried to make my own but lack the skill/knowledge to do it.
  
  – Null
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

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1

I want to properly typeset the versicle and response symbols. The versicle symbol looks like this:

and the response symbol is the same but with "R" instead of "V".

The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List provides a solution which requires XeLaTeX and the Junicode font, but is there a way to properly typeset the symbols using pdfLaTeX (i.e. is there a package which provides the symbols)? If not, what is the best way to construct the symbols manually?

I managed to construct something that looks like a versicle with

newcommandversicle$mathbfnotmkern -3mu mathrmV$

but I'm not skilled at constructing symbols and I know that's not right.

I'm open to using XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX if necessary to properly typeset these symbols but I'd like to know if there is a good way to do it with pdfLaTeX.

---

An example of the use of these symbols can be found in, e.g., Wikipedia's article on the Tantum ergo:

symbols

share|improve this question

edited 7 hours ago

Null

asked 8 hours ago

NullNull

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Are rthey symbols for maths relations, or binary relations?
  
  – Bernard
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Bernard No, I used math mode simply so I could use not for the slash. My code is very much a hack, just to demonstrate that I tried to make my own but lack the skill/knowledge to do it.
  
  – Null
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

I want to properly typeset the versicle and response symbols. The versicle symbol looks like this:

and the response symbol is the same but with "R" instead of "V".

The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List provides a solution which requires XeLaTeX and the Junicode font, but is there a way to properly typeset the symbols using pdfLaTeX (i.e. is there a package which provides the symbols)? If not, what is the best way to construct the symbols manually?

I managed to construct something that looks like a versicle with

newcommandversicle$mathbfnotmkern -3mu mathrmV$

but I'm not skilled at constructing symbols and I know that's not right.

I'm open to using XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX if necessary to properly typeset these symbols but I'd like to know if there is a good way to do it with pdfLaTeX.

---

An example of the use of these symbols can be found in, e.g., Wikipedia's article on the Tantum ergo:

symbols

share|improve this question

edited 7 hours ago

Null

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newcommandversicle$mathbfnotmkern -3mu mathrmV$

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Here is a possibility with stackengine.

documentclass[border = 6pt]standalone
usepackagegraphicx
usepackagestackengine
newcommandversiclekern-0.25em stackinsetr0.33excrotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$V

newcommandresponsekern-0.25emstackinsetr0.35exc rotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$R

begindocument

 A versicle B quad C response D 

enddocument

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  That looks a lot better than mine, +1! The symbols aren't used in math mode, though, so I'd have versicle and response enter and exit math mode as part of the marco. I added an example of the use of the symbols to my question to better show the usage.
  
  – Null
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Beware the code used some math kerning, so you'd have to convert it to ordinary kerning (and change the unit – mu is a unit specifically for math kerning.
  
  – Bernard
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I've updated my answer for text mode. The code is simpler. Please see if it's fine for you.
  
  – Bernard
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

1

A poorman’s version:

documentclassarticle
usepackagegraphicx

makeatletter
DeclareRobustCommandversiclevers@resp-0.1emV
DeclareRobustCommandresponsevers@resp0ptR

newcommandvers@resp@symraisebox0.2exrotatebox[origin=c]-20$m@thrceil$

newcommandvers@resp[2]%
 ooalignhidewidthkern#1vers@resp@symhidewidthcr#2cr%

makeatother

begindocument

versicle

response

enddocument

You may need to fine tune the parameters for a different font.

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Here is a possibility with stackengine.

documentclass[border = 6pt]standalone
usepackagegraphicx
usepackagestackengine
newcommandversiclekern-0.25em stackinsetr0.33excrotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$V

newcommandresponsekern-0.25emstackinsetr0.35exc rotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$R

begindocument

 A versicle B quad C response D 

enddocument

share|improve this answer

edited 6 hours ago

answered 7 hours ago

BernardBernard

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  That looks a lot better than mine, +1! The symbols aren't used in math mode, though, so I'd have versicle and response enter and exit math mode as part of the marco. I added an example of the use of the symbols to my question to better show the usage.
  
  – Null
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Beware the code used some math kerning, so you'd have to convert it to ordinary kerning (and change the unit – mu is a unit specifically for math kerning.
  
  – Bernard
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I've updated my answer for text mode. The code is simpler. Please see if it's fine for you.
  
  – Bernard
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

4

Here is a possibility with stackengine.

documentclass[border = 6pt]standalone
usepackagegraphicx
usepackagestackengine
newcommandversiclekern-0.25em stackinsetr0.33excrotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$V

newcommandresponsekern-0.25emstackinsetr0.35exc rotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$R

begindocument

 A versicle B quad C response D 

enddocument

share|improve this answer

edited 6 hours ago

answered 7 hours ago

BernardBernard

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  That looks a lot better than mine, +1! The symbols aren't used in math mode, though, so I'd have versicle and response enter and exit math mode as part of the marco. I added an example of the use of the symbols to my question to better show the usage.
  
  – Null
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Beware the code used some math kerning, so you'd have to convert it to ordinary kerning (and change the unit – mu is a unit specifically for math kerning.
  
  – Bernard
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I've updated my answer for text mode. The code is simpler. Please see if it's fine for you.
  
  – Bernard
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Here is a possibility with stackengine.

documentclass[border = 6pt]standalone
usepackagegraphicx
usepackagestackengine
newcommandversiclekern-0.25em stackinsetr0.33excrotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$V

newcommandresponsekern-0.25emstackinsetr0.35exc rotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$R

begindocument

 A versicle B quad C response D 

enddocument

share|improve this answer

edited 6 hours ago

answered 7 hours ago

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documentclass[border = 6pt]standalone
usepackagegraphicx
usepackagestackengine
newcommandversiclekern-0.25em stackinsetr0.33excrotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$V

newcommandresponsekern-0.25emstackinsetr0.35exc rotatebox-30normalsize$rceil$R

begindocument

 A versicle B quad C response D 

enddocument

share|improve this answer

edited 6 hours ago

answered 7 hours ago

BernardBernard

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answered 7 hours ago

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answered 7 hours ago

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1

A poorman’s version:

documentclassarticle
usepackagegraphicx

makeatletter
DeclareRobustCommandversiclevers@resp-0.1emV
DeclareRobustCommandresponsevers@resp0ptR

newcommandvers@resp@symraisebox0.2exrotatebox[origin=c]-20$m@thrceil$

newcommandvers@resp[2]%
 ooalignhidewidthkern#1vers@resp@symhidewidthcr#2cr%

makeatother

begindocument

versicle

response

enddocument

You may need to fine tune the parameters for a different font.

share|improve this answer

answered 6 hours ago

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1

A poorman’s version:

documentclassarticle
usepackagegraphicx

makeatletter
DeclareRobustCommandversiclevers@resp-0.1emV
DeclareRobustCommandresponsevers@resp0ptR

newcommandvers@resp@symraisebox0.2exrotatebox[origin=c]-20$m@thrceil$

newcommandvers@resp[2]%
 ooalignhidewidthkern#1vers@resp@symhidewidthcr#2cr%

makeatother

begindocument

versicle

response

enddocument

You may need to fine tune the parameters for a different font.

share|improve this answer

answered 6 hours ago

egregegreg

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add a comment | 

A poorman’s version:

documentclassarticle
usepackagegraphicx

makeatletter
DeclareRobustCommandversiclevers@resp-0.1emV
DeclareRobustCommandresponsevers@resp0ptR

newcommandvers@resp@symraisebox0.2exrotatebox[origin=c]-20$m@thrceil$

newcommandvers@resp[2]%
 ooalignhidewidthkern#1vers@resp@symhidewidthcr#2cr%

makeatother

begindocument

versicle

response

enddocument

You may need to fine tune the parameters for a different font.

share|improve this answer

answered 6 hours ago

egregegreg

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documentclassarticle
usepackagegraphicx

makeatletter
DeclareRobustCommandversiclevers@resp-0.1emV
DeclareRobustCommandresponsevers@resp0ptR

newcommandvers@resp@symraisebox0.2exrotatebox[origin=c]-20$m@thrceil$

newcommandvers@resp[2]%
 ooalignhidewidthkern#1vers@resp@symhidewidthcr#2cr%

makeatother

begindocument

versicle

response

enddocument

share|improve this answer

answered 6 hours ago

egregegreg

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answered 6 hours ago

egregegreg

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answered 6 hours ago

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