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How do I respond appropriately to an overseas company that obtained a visa for me without hiring me?
Are you eligible to work unrestricted in the country to which you are applying?A recruiter applied for me without my consent. How do I handle this situation?Re-send information on question about progress in conversation with Japan companyShould I tell the interviewer that I have a holiday booked in a few months?Requiring salary information and medical history before first job interviewDefend against foreign company if they go back on their wordAccepted Offer, No Response From CompanyHow to properly request a transfer to another country when I already have a work visa?How to reach out to company that previously offered me a job?What does it say about a company if they refuse to use anything other than Skype for interviews?
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I applied for a position with a small company in Japan (I live in the US). The company obtained (at their expense) the documentation for me to apply for a visa that would allow me to work legally in Japan, but the project my position was for got cancelled in the meantime (they informed me from the beginning of the application process that the position was uncertain).
The company has offered me the option of starting employment with them next year, but expressed understanding that I will likely need a job before that, and also offered to mail the documentation to me now, so that I can apply for an employment visa and look for other work in my field in Japan (it will expire before next year). Having a valid visa in hand would put me at a huge advantage in my job search.
In short, a prospective employer obtained something invaluable for me, using their time and at their expense, when I have not done anything for them. Is it appropriate to simply accept their offer to mail the documents? (I may want to work for this company in the future).
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I applied for a position with a small company in Japan (I live in the US). The company obtained (at their expense) the documentation for me to apply for a visa that would allow me to work legally in Japan, but the project my position was for got cancelled in the meantime (they informed me from the beginning of the application process that the position was uncertain).
The company has offered me the option of starting employment with them next year, but expressed understanding that I will likely need a job before that, and also offered to mail the documentation to me now, so that I can apply for an employment visa and look for other work in my field in Japan (it will expire before next year). Having a valid visa in hand would put me at a huge advantage in my job search.
In short, a prospective employer obtained something invaluable for me, using their time and at their expense, when I have not done anything for them. Is it appropriate to simply accept their offer to mail the documents? (I may want to work for this company in the future).
job-search job-offer japan
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That's simply illegal. Guarantor cannot give a guarantee but not hire you. That's direct visa fraud. Then even if you get the visa, on the border you will be asked address of your employer. You either have to lie, or get sent back to the airplane.
– Rambalac
5 hours ago
I haven't been able to find any clear information one way or another on consulate/Japanese government websites about the legality of it. Can you point me to a source to verify this?
– Rai
4 hours ago
@Rai You should call up your consulate. Information may differ depending on where you're from. I've read you shouldn't have problems changing jobs, but never working at the place that sponsored your visa is very unlikely to be okay.
– Rob
9 mins ago
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I applied for a position with a small company in Japan (I live in the US). The company obtained (at their expense) the documentation for me to apply for a visa that would allow me to work legally in Japan, but the project my position was for got cancelled in the meantime (they informed me from the beginning of the application process that the position was uncertain).
The company has offered me the option of starting employment with them next year, but expressed understanding that I will likely need a job before that, and also offered to mail the documentation to me now, so that I can apply for an employment visa and look for other work in my field in Japan (it will expire before next year). Having a valid visa in hand would put me at a huge advantage in my job search.
In short, a prospective employer obtained something invaluable for me, using their time and at their expense, when I have not done anything for them. Is it appropriate to simply accept their offer to mail the documents? (I may want to work for this company in the future).
job-search job-offer japan
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I applied for a position with a small company in Japan (I live in the US). The company obtained (at their expense) the documentation for me to apply for a visa that would allow me to work legally in Japan, but the project my position was for got cancelled in the meantime (they informed me from the beginning of the application process that the position was uncertain).
The company has offered me the option of starting employment with them next year, but expressed understanding that I will likely need a job before that, and also offered to mail the documentation to me now, so that I can apply for an employment visa and look for other work in my field in Japan (it will expire before next year). Having a valid visa in hand would put me at a huge advantage in my job search.
In short, a prospective employer obtained something invaluable for me, using their time and at their expense, when I have not done anything for them. Is it appropriate to simply accept their offer to mail the documents? (I may want to work for this company in the future).
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That's simply illegal. Guarantor cannot give a guarantee but not hire you. That's direct visa fraud. Then even if you get the visa, on the border you will be asked address of your employer. You either have to lie, or get sent back to the airplane.
– Rambalac
5 hours ago
I haven't been able to find any clear information one way or another on consulate/Japanese government websites about the legality of it. Can you point me to a source to verify this?
– Rai
4 hours ago
@Rai You should call up your consulate. Information may differ depending on where you're from. I've read you shouldn't have problems changing jobs, but never working at the place that sponsored your visa is very unlikely to be okay.
– Rob
9 mins ago
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2
That's simply illegal. Guarantor cannot give a guarantee but not hire you. That's direct visa fraud. Then even if you get the visa, on the border you will be asked address of your employer. You either have to lie, or get sent back to the airplane.
– Rambalac
5 hours ago
I haven't been able to find any clear information one way or another on consulate/Japanese government websites about the legality of it. Can you point me to a source to verify this?
– Rai
4 hours ago
@Rai You should call up your consulate. Information may differ depending on where you're from. I've read you shouldn't have problems changing jobs, but never working at the place that sponsored your visa is very unlikely to be okay.
– Rob
9 mins ago
2
2
That's simply illegal. Guarantor cannot give a guarantee but not hire you. That's direct visa fraud. Then even if you get the visa, on the border you will be asked address of your employer. You either have to lie, or get sent back to the airplane.
– Rambalac
5 hours ago
That's simply illegal. Guarantor cannot give a guarantee but not hire you. That's direct visa fraud. Then even if you get the visa, on the border you will be asked address of your employer. You either have to lie, or get sent back to the airplane.
– Rambalac
5 hours ago
I haven't been able to find any clear information one way or another on consulate/Japanese government websites about the legality of it. Can you point me to a source to verify this?
– Rai
4 hours ago
I haven't been able to find any clear information one way or another on consulate/Japanese government websites about the legality of it. Can you point me to a source to verify this?
– Rai
4 hours ago
@Rai You should call up your consulate. Information may differ depending on where you're from. I've read you shouldn't have problems changing jobs, but never working at the place that sponsored your visa is very unlikely to be okay.
– Rob
9 mins ago
@Rai You should call up your consulate. Information may differ depending on where you're from. I've read you shouldn't have problems changing jobs, but never working at the place that sponsored your visa is very unlikely to be okay.
– Rob
9 mins ago
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Yes. It's okay. Take it.
The position was uncertain. So the company took a risk and applied on your behalf anyway. It didn't work out for them, not this time anyway. But the visa exists now, and I guess they thought you'd like to have it regardless.
So thank them and take the visa.
answered 8 hours ago
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Exactly, what I would do!
– J Crosby
8 hours ago
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It's OK to accept the documents but read the conditions of the visa very carefully before you move your life to Japan.
You quite likely actually don't have a valid visa (and can't get one using the documentation prepared by the company), since being employed by the company sponsoring the visa is probably a condition for it to be valid.
answered 5 hours ago
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I'm not an expert in Japanese culture or business dealings. But in many cultures, it's common practice to offer something with the expectation that it will be rejected or politely declined. It can be as simple as a gesture of goodwill or even something of value.
Strongly suggest you seek advice from someone you trust who is knowledgeable of Japanese customs and behaviors before accepting or rejecting. The 'how' you respond can also have significances.
answered 8 hours ago
SteveSteve
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This custom usually applies (1) to gifts of value to the giver and (2) to gifts offered in-person. If the gift has no value to the giver (as is the case of a visa) and is offered remotely then it would be a great waste for the receiver to refuse.
– lsusr
7 hours ago
I'll add that this "refuse gifts at least twice or it's rude" thing was explained to me as some weird foreign quirk of Japanese culture, an unexpected pitfall I had to look out for. Turns out, in practice, this was nonsense, it was just basic manners anyone from most any culture can understand easily, just a touch more common and sincere in Japan (generally speaking).
– MGOwen
4 hours ago
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Yes. It's okay. Take it.
The position was uncertain. So the company took a risk and applied on your behalf anyway. It didn't work out for them, not this time anyway. But the visa exists now, and I guess they thought you'd like to have it regardless.
So thank them and take the visa.
answered 8 hours ago
Nathan CooperNathan Cooper
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Exactly, what I would do!
– J Crosby
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes. It's okay. Take it.
The position was uncertain. So the company took a risk and applied on your behalf anyway. It didn't work out for them, not this time anyway. But the visa exists now, and I guess they thought you'd like to have it regardless.
So thank them and take the visa.
answered 8 hours ago
Nathan CooperNathan Cooper
2,8704 gold badges15 silver badges25 bronze badges
Exactly, what I would do!
– J Crosby
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes. It's okay. Take it.
The position was uncertain. So the company took a risk and applied on your behalf anyway. It didn't work out for them, not this time anyway. But the visa exists now, and I guess they thought you'd like to have it regardless.
So thank them and take the visa.
answered 8 hours ago
Nathan CooperNathan Cooper
2,8704 gold badges15 silver badges25 bronze badges
Yes. It's okay. Take it.
The position was uncertain. So the company took a risk and applied on your behalf anyway. It didn't work out for them, not this time anyway. But the visa exists now, and I guess they thought you'd like to have it regardless.
So thank them and take the visa.
answered 8 hours ago
Nathan CooperNathan Cooper
2,8704 gold badges15 silver badges25 bronze badges
answered 8 hours ago
Nathan CooperNathan Cooper
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answered 8 hours ago
Nathan CooperNathan Cooper
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answered 8 hours ago
Nathan CooperNathan Cooper
2,8704 gold badges15 silver badges25 bronze badges
2,8704 gold badges15 silver badges25 bronze badges
Exactly, what I would do!
– J Crosby
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Exactly, what I would do!
– J Crosby
8 hours ago
Exactly, what I would do!
– J Crosby
8 hours ago
Exactly, what I would do!
– J Crosby
8 hours ago
add a comment |
It's OK to accept the documents but read the conditions of the visa very carefully before you move your life to Japan.
You quite likely actually don't have a valid visa (and can't get one using the documentation prepared by the company), since being employed by the company sponsoring the visa is probably a condition for it to be valid.
answered 5 hours ago
Player OnePlayer One
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It's OK to accept the documents but read the conditions of the visa very carefully before you move your life to Japan.
You quite likely actually don't have a valid visa (and can't get one using the documentation prepared by the company), since being employed by the company sponsoring the visa is probably a condition for it to be valid.
answered 5 hours ago
Player OnePlayer One
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add a comment |
It's OK to accept the documents but read the conditions of the visa very carefully before you move your life to Japan.
You quite likely actually don't have a valid visa (and can't get one using the documentation prepared by the company), since being employed by the company sponsoring the visa is probably a condition for it to be valid.
answered 5 hours ago
Player OnePlayer One
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It's OK to accept the documents but read the conditions of the visa very carefully before you move your life to Japan.
You quite likely actually don't have a valid visa (and can't get one using the documentation prepared by the company), since being employed by the company sponsoring the visa is probably a condition for it to be valid.
answered 5 hours ago
Player OnePlayer One
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I'm not an expert in Japanese culture or business dealings. But in many cultures, it's common practice to offer something with the expectation that it will be rejected or politely declined. It can be as simple as a gesture of goodwill or even something of value.
Strongly suggest you seek advice from someone you trust who is knowledgeable of Japanese customs and behaviors before accepting or rejecting. The 'how' you respond can also have significances.
answered 8 hours ago
SteveSteve
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This custom usually applies (1) to gifts of value to the giver and (2) to gifts offered in-person. If the gift has no value to the giver (as is the case of a visa) and is offered remotely then it would be a great waste for the receiver to refuse.
– lsusr
7 hours ago
I'll add that this "refuse gifts at least twice or it's rude" thing was explained to me as some weird foreign quirk of Japanese culture, an unexpected pitfall I had to look out for. Turns out, in practice, this was nonsense, it was just basic manners anyone from most any culture can understand easily, just a touch more common and sincere in Japan (generally speaking).
– MGOwen
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm not an expert in Japanese culture or business dealings. But in many cultures, it's common practice to offer something with the expectation that it will be rejected or politely declined. It can be as simple as a gesture of goodwill or even something of value.
Strongly suggest you seek advice from someone you trust who is knowledgeable of Japanese customs and behaviors before accepting or rejecting. The 'how' you respond can also have significances.
answered 8 hours ago
SteveSteve
6,4945 gold badges19 silver badges35 bronze badges
3
This custom usually applies (1) to gifts of value to the giver and (2) to gifts offered in-person. If the gift has no value to the giver (as is the case of a visa) and is offered remotely then it would be a great waste for the receiver to refuse.
– lsusr
7 hours ago
I'll add that this "refuse gifts at least twice or it's rude" thing was explained to me as some weird foreign quirk of Japanese culture, an unexpected pitfall I had to look out for. Turns out, in practice, this was nonsense, it was just basic manners anyone from most any culture can understand easily, just a touch more common and sincere in Japan (generally speaking).
– MGOwen
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm not an expert in Japanese culture or business dealings. But in many cultures, it's common practice to offer something with the expectation that it will be rejected or politely declined. It can be as simple as a gesture of goodwill or even something of value.
Strongly suggest you seek advice from someone you trust who is knowledgeable of Japanese customs and behaviors before accepting or rejecting. The 'how' you respond can also have significances.
answered 8 hours ago
SteveSteve
6,4945 gold badges19 silver badges35 bronze badges
I'm not an expert in Japanese culture or business dealings. But in many cultures, it's common practice to offer something with the expectation that it will be rejected or politely declined. It can be as simple as a gesture of goodwill or even something of value.
Strongly suggest you seek advice from someone you trust who is knowledgeable of Japanese customs and behaviors before accepting or rejecting. The 'how' you respond can also have significances.
answered 8 hours ago
SteveSteve
6,4945 gold badges19 silver badges35 bronze badges
answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
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This custom usually applies (1) to gifts of value to the giver and (2) to gifts offered in-person. If the gift has no value to the giver (as is the case of a visa) and is offered remotely then it would be a great waste for the receiver to refuse.
– lsusr
7 hours ago
I'll add that this "refuse gifts at least twice or it's rude" thing was explained to me as some weird foreign quirk of Japanese culture, an unexpected pitfall I had to look out for. Turns out, in practice, this was nonsense, it was just basic manners anyone from most any culture can understand easily, just a touch more common and sincere in Japan (generally speaking).
– MGOwen
4 hours ago
add a comment |
3
This custom usually applies (1) to gifts of value to the giver and (2) to gifts offered in-person. If the gift has no value to the giver (as is the case of a visa) and is offered remotely then it would be a great waste for the receiver to refuse.
– lsusr
7 hours ago
I'll add that this "refuse gifts at least twice or it's rude" thing was explained to me as some weird foreign quirk of Japanese culture, an unexpected pitfall I had to look out for. Turns out, in practice, this was nonsense, it was just basic manners anyone from most any culture can understand easily, just a touch more common and sincere in Japan (generally speaking).
– MGOwen
4 hours ago
3
3
This custom usually applies (1) to gifts of value to the giver and (2) to gifts offered in-person. If the gift has no value to the giver (as is the case of a visa) and is offered remotely then it would be a great waste for the receiver to refuse.
– lsusr
7 hours ago
This custom usually applies (1) to gifts of value to the giver and (2) to gifts offered in-person. If the gift has no value to the giver (as is the case of a visa) and is offered remotely then it would be a great waste for the receiver to refuse.
– lsusr
7 hours ago
I'll add that this "refuse gifts at least twice or it's rude" thing was explained to me as some weird foreign quirk of Japanese culture, an unexpected pitfall I had to look out for. Turns out, in practice, this was nonsense, it was just basic manners anyone from most any culture can understand easily, just a touch more common and sincere in Japan (generally speaking).
– MGOwen
4 hours ago
I'll add that this "refuse gifts at least twice or it's rude" thing was explained to me as some weird foreign quirk of Japanese culture, an unexpected pitfall I had to look out for. Turns out, in practice, this was nonsense, it was just basic manners anyone from most any culture can understand easily, just a touch more common and sincere in Japan (generally speaking).
– MGOwen
4 hours ago
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That's simply illegal. Guarantor cannot give a guarantee but not hire you. That's direct visa fraud. Then even if you get the visa, on the border you will be asked address of your employer. You either have to lie, or get sent back to the airplane.
– Rambalac
5 hours ago
I haven't been able to find any clear information one way or another on consulate/Japanese government websites about the legality of it. Can you point me to a source to verify this?
– Rai
4 hours ago
@Rai You should call up your consulate. Information may differ depending on where you're from. I've read you shouldn't have problems changing jobs, but never working at the place that sponsored your visa is very unlikely to be okay.
– Rob
9 mins ago