Importance of electrolytic capacitor sizeCapacitor behavior in oscillating circuitCan you make a non-polar electrolytic capacitor out of two regular electrolytic capacitors?Substition of electrolytic capacitors in surface mount applicationsAluminum Electrolytic Capacitor Dissipation FactorLM317 circuit capacitor questionCan a single, large multilayer ceramic capacitor replace the classic electrolytic + ceramic decoupling capacitor arrangement?Size factor of capacitors now and then?APC Smart UPS - 2700uF 40V CapacitorsWhy do we use polarized capacitors?

Why do modes sound so different, although they are basically the same as a mode of another scale?

Why are Latin and Sanskrit called dead languages?

How is total raw calculated for Science Pack 2?

Does the size of capers influence their taste?

How to disambiguate between various meditation practices?

Sum of Infinite series with a Geometric series in multiply

If the UK government illegally doesn't ask for article 50 extension, can parliament do it instead?

How to find better food in airports

Are there photos of the Apollo LM showing disturbed lunar soil resulting from descent engine exhaust?

How does Harry wear the invisibility cloak?

Can a country avoid prosecution for crimes against humanity by denying it happened?

Tiny image scraper for xkcd.com

Divide Numbers by 0

Why don't they build airplanes from 3D printer plastic?

How do I stop making people jump at home and at work?

Why do we need explainable AI?

Given a specific computer system, is it possible to estimate the actual precise run time of a piece of Assembly code

What is the maximal acceptable delay between pilot's input and flight control surface actuation?

Advisor suggesting a change in the PhD research direction resulting in less theoretically intensive thesis. I am worrying about the implications

Solve this icositetragram

To which country did MiGs in Top Gun belong?

Strange LockTime values in Electrum transactions?

In mathematics is there a substitution that is "different" from Vieta's substitution to solve the cubic equation?

Is mathematics truth?



Importance of electrolytic capacitor size


Capacitor behavior in oscillating circuitCan you make a non-polar electrolytic capacitor out of two regular electrolytic capacitors?Substition of electrolytic capacitors in surface mount applicationsAluminum Electrolytic Capacitor Dissipation FactorLM317 circuit capacitor questionCan a single, large multilayer ceramic capacitor replace the classic electrolytic + ceramic decoupling capacitor arrangement?Size factor of capacitors now and then?APC Smart UPS - 2700uF 40V CapacitorsWhy do we use polarized capacitors?






.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;








2












$begingroup$


A large aluminum filter capacitor about 1" X 3" can, from a 1972 power supply, needs to be replaced. it is 4000uf/50V/85 degrees. Any reason why it can’t be replaced with a much smaller 4700uf/50V/85 degrees Electrolytic cap from Amazon? I don’t understand the difference, except for physical size and price.










share|improve this question









New contributor



Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.






$endgroup$




















    2












    $begingroup$


    A large aluminum filter capacitor about 1" X 3" can, from a 1972 power supply, needs to be replaced. it is 4000uf/50V/85 degrees. Any reason why it can’t be replaced with a much smaller 4700uf/50V/85 degrees Electrolytic cap from Amazon? I don’t understand the difference, except for physical size and price.










    share|improve this question









    New contributor



    Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
    Check out our Code of Conduct.






    $endgroup$
















      2












      2








      2





      $begingroup$


      A large aluminum filter capacitor about 1" X 3" can, from a 1972 power supply, needs to be replaced. it is 4000uf/50V/85 degrees. Any reason why it can’t be replaced with a much smaller 4700uf/50V/85 degrees Electrolytic cap from Amazon? I don’t understand the difference, except for physical size and price.










      share|improve this question









      New contributor



      Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.






      $endgroup$




      A large aluminum filter capacitor about 1" X 3" can, from a 1972 power supply, needs to be replaced. it is 4000uf/50V/85 degrees. Any reason why it can’t be replaced with a much smaller 4700uf/50V/85 degrees Electrolytic cap from Amazon? I don’t understand the difference, except for physical size and price.







      capacitor






      share|improve this question









      New contributor



      Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.










      share|improve this question









      New contributor



      Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.








      share|improve this question




      share|improve this question








      edited 7 hours ago









      Ariser

      2,55910 silver badges30 bronze badges




      2,55910 silver badges30 bronze badges






      New contributor



      Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.








      asked 8 hours ago









      Bob FBob F

      111 bronze badge




      111 bronze badge




      New contributor



      Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.




      New contributor




      Bob F is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.

























          3 Answers
          3






          active

          oldest

          votes


















          4













          $begingroup$

          It probably could, but the devil is in the details.
          Ripple current, loss etc....



          What is key to appreciate is the present cap is from the 1970's. Technology has moved on from there in not only in dielectric but also in manufacturing techniques.



          Compare the two data sheets is the best advice






          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$






















            3













            $begingroup$

            Adding to JonRBs Answer:



            Capacitors in the 70's were huge in comparison to current caps.



            Advances in manufacturing led to a massive size shrink along with other benefits. Some effects from these improvements are contrary to each other. I try to give some thoughts on it.



            Smaller caps have lower ESR. This is something which could be problematic within a intricate design, but the probability that in a 70's supply a high ESR might be crucial is rather low. You can figure out from the schematic, if a low ESR is acceptable. The inrush current might grow to high with a low ESR.



            Smaller caps have a lower surface, making it more difficult to dissipate thermal power but on the other hand they might improve convection inside the housing.



            You could choose a capacitor with slightly higher voltage and temperature rating to improve lifetime, because the ratings of parts from the 70's were a lot more conservative due to the greater variations in manufacturing processes.






            share|improve this answer









            $endgroup$






















              3













              $begingroup$

              Adding to the answers:
              The cost of an Electrolytic Capacitor is nothing compared to any impact of a failed power supply, especially in the field of medical, manufacturing, military or other important usage.



              But even when used only for private purposes, the time effort to change it again after failing a 2nd time is not worth to choose cheap caps.



              There are many low-quality caps sold via internet that do not even match the ratings printed on the casing. The capacity could be less, the maximum voltage and temperature could be lower.



              Like stated already in other answers, it is worth to purchase a high quality cap with higher ratings both for voltage and temperature (in that case e.g. 80V and 105 C degrees), and ESR and other datas should be compared via data sheets.



              Since old caps anyway had a high tolerance of f.e. -20%/+50%, a higher capacity value should be no problem unless the ESR does not become too low. So 4700uF or 5600uF as replacement for a 4000uF should be fine.



              Normally there is much heat produced in old power supplies since they work via series regulation. The caps should not be close to or touching heat sinks.



              If the supply is anyway open, these points could be checked as well:



              1. Are all diodes/bridge rectifiers feeding that cap ok? Sometimes a broken cap is the result of bad diodes.

              2. All the screws pressing the power elements (f.e. 2N3055 transistors) to the heat sink(s) should be re-fastened. In many cases those screws are not tight enough anymore after half a century.

              3. Any resistors (or other elements) show burnt casings? Any burnt/colored areas on the PCBs?

              If the power supply was broken and not used for a long time, the first test should be via feeding from a variac after repair.



              The voltage should be slowly raised in order to enable all Electrolytic Caps to rebuild the oxyde layers without high surge currents - also the new cap could have been stored for a long time.






              share|improve this answer









              $endgroup$

















                Your Answer






                StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
                return StackExchange.using("schematics", function ()
                StackExchange.schematics.init();
                );
                , "cicuitlab");

                StackExchange.ready(function()
                var channelOptions =
                tags: "".split(" "),
                id: "135"
                ;
                initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

                StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
                // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
                if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
                StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
                createEditor();
                );

                else
                createEditor();

                );

                function createEditor()
                StackExchange.prepareEditor(
                heartbeatType: 'answer',
                autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
                convertImagesToLinks: false,
                noModals: true,
                showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
                reputationToPostImages: null,
                bindNavPrevention: true,
                postfix: "",
                imageUploader:
                brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
                contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
                allowUrls: true
                ,
                onDemand: true,
                discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
                ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
                );



                );






                Bob F is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.









                draft saved

                draft discarded


















                StackExchange.ready(
                function ()
                StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2felectronics.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f455856%2fimportance-of-electrolytic-capacitor-size%23new-answer', 'question_page');

                );

                Post as a guest















                Required, but never shown

























                3 Answers
                3






                active

                oldest

                votes








                3 Answers
                3






                active

                oldest

                votes









                active

                oldest

                votes






                active

                oldest

                votes









                4













                $begingroup$

                It probably could, but the devil is in the details.
                Ripple current, loss etc....



                What is key to appreciate is the present cap is from the 1970's. Technology has moved on from there in not only in dielectric but also in manufacturing techniques.



                Compare the two data sheets is the best advice






                share|improve this answer









                $endgroup$



















                  4













                  $begingroup$

                  It probably could, but the devil is in the details.
                  Ripple current, loss etc....



                  What is key to appreciate is the present cap is from the 1970's. Technology has moved on from there in not only in dielectric but also in manufacturing techniques.



                  Compare the two data sheets is the best advice






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$

















                    4














                    4










                    4







                    $begingroup$

                    It probably could, but the devil is in the details.
                    Ripple current, loss etc....



                    What is key to appreciate is the present cap is from the 1970's. Technology has moved on from there in not only in dielectric but also in manufacturing techniques.



                    Compare the two data sheets is the best advice






                    share|improve this answer









                    $endgroup$



                    It probably could, but the devil is in the details.
                    Ripple current, loss etc....



                    What is key to appreciate is the present cap is from the 1970's. Technology has moved on from there in not only in dielectric but also in manufacturing techniques.



                    Compare the two data sheets is the best advice







                    share|improve this answer












                    share|improve this answer



                    share|improve this answer










                    answered 8 hours ago









                    JonRBJonRB

                    15k2 gold badges22 silver badges42 bronze badges




                    15k2 gold badges22 silver badges42 bronze badges


























                        3













                        $begingroup$

                        Adding to JonRBs Answer:



                        Capacitors in the 70's were huge in comparison to current caps.



                        Advances in manufacturing led to a massive size shrink along with other benefits. Some effects from these improvements are contrary to each other. I try to give some thoughts on it.



                        Smaller caps have lower ESR. This is something which could be problematic within a intricate design, but the probability that in a 70's supply a high ESR might be crucial is rather low. You can figure out from the schematic, if a low ESR is acceptable. The inrush current might grow to high with a low ESR.



                        Smaller caps have a lower surface, making it more difficult to dissipate thermal power but on the other hand they might improve convection inside the housing.



                        You could choose a capacitor with slightly higher voltage and temperature rating to improve lifetime, because the ratings of parts from the 70's were a lot more conservative due to the greater variations in manufacturing processes.






                        share|improve this answer









                        $endgroup$



















                          3













                          $begingroup$

                          Adding to JonRBs Answer:



                          Capacitors in the 70's were huge in comparison to current caps.



                          Advances in manufacturing led to a massive size shrink along with other benefits. Some effects from these improvements are contrary to each other. I try to give some thoughts on it.



                          Smaller caps have lower ESR. This is something which could be problematic within a intricate design, but the probability that in a 70's supply a high ESR might be crucial is rather low. You can figure out from the schematic, if a low ESR is acceptable. The inrush current might grow to high with a low ESR.



                          Smaller caps have a lower surface, making it more difficult to dissipate thermal power but on the other hand they might improve convection inside the housing.



                          You could choose a capacitor with slightly higher voltage and temperature rating to improve lifetime, because the ratings of parts from the 70's were a lot more conservative due to the greater variations in manufacturing processes.






                          share|improve this answer









                          $endgroup$

















                            3














                            3










                            3







                            $begingroup$

                            Adding to JonRBs Answer:



                            Capacitors in the 70's were huge in comparison to current caps.



                            Advances in manufacturing led to a massive size shrink along with other benefits. Some effects from these improvements are contrary to each other. I try to give some thoughts on it.



                            Smaller caps have lower ESR. This is something which could be problematic within a intricate design, but the probability that in a 70's supply a high ESR might be crucial is rather low. You can figure out from the schematic, if a low ESR is acceptable. The inrush current might grow to high with a low ESR.



                            Smaller caps have a lower surface, making it more difficult to dissipate thermal power but on the other hand they might improve convection inside the housing.



                            You could choose a capacitor with slightly higher voltage and temperature rating to improve lifetime, because the ratings of parts from the 70's were a lot more conservative due to the greater variations in manufacturing processes.






                            share|improve this answer









                            $endgroup$



                            Adding to JonRBs Answer:



                            Capacitors in the 70's were huge in comparison to current caps.



                            Advances in manufacturing led to a massive size shrink along with other benefits. Some effects from these improvements are contrary to each other. I try to give some thoughts on it.



                            Smaller caps have lower ESR. This is something which could be problematic within a intricate design, but the probability that in a 70's supply a high ESR might be crucial is rather low. You can figure out from the schematic, if a low ESR is acceptable. The inrush current might grow to high with a low ESR.



                            Smaller caps have a lower surface, making it more difficult to dissipate thermal power but on the other hand they might improve convection inside the housing.



                            You could choose a capacitor with slightly higher voltage and temperature rating to improve lifetime, because the ratings of parts from the 70's were a lot more conservative due to the greater variations in manufacturing processes.







                            share|improve this answer












                            share|improve this answer



                            share|improve this answer










                            answered 7 hours ago









                            AriserAriser

                            2,55910 silver badges30 bronze badges




                            2,55910 silver badges30 bronze badges
























                                3













                                $begingroup$

                                Adding to the answers:
                                The cost of an Electrolytic Capacitor is nothing compared to any impact of a failed power supply, especially in the field of medical, manufacturing, military or other important usage.



                                But even when used only for private purposes, the time effort to change it again after failing a 2nd time is not worth to choose cheap caps.



                                There are many low-quality caps sold via internet that do not even match the ratings printed on the casing. The capacity could be less, the maximum voltage and temperature could be lower.



                                Like stated already in other answers, it is worth to purchase a high quality cap with higher ratings both for voltage and temperature (in that case e.g. 80V and 105 C degrees), and ESR and other datas should be compared via data sheets.



                                Since old caps anyway had a high tolerance of f.e. -20%/+50%, a higher capacity value should be no problem unless the ESR does not become too low. So 4700uF or 5600uF as replacement for a 4000uF should be fine.



                                Normally there is much heat produced in old power supplies since they work via series regulation. The caps should not be close to or touching heat sinks.



                                If the supply is anyway open, these points could be checked as well:



                                1. Are all diodes/bridge rectifiers feeding that cap ok? Sometimes a broken cap is the result of bad diodes.

                                2. All the screws pressing the power elements (f.e. 2N3055 transistors) to the heat sink(s) should be re-fastened. In many cases those screws are not tight enough anymore after half a century.

                                3. Any resistors (or other elements) show burnt casings? Any burnt/colored areas on the PCBs?

                                If the power supply was broken and not used for a long time, the first test should be via feeding from a variac after repair.



                                The voltage should be slowly raised in order to enable all Electrolytic Caps to rebuild the oxyde layers without high surge currents - also the new cap could have been stored for a long time.






                                share|improve this answer









                                $endgroup$



















                                  3













                                  $begingroup$

                                  Adding to the answers:
                                  The cost of an Electrolytic Capacitor is nothing compared to any impact of a failed power supply, especially in the field of medical, manufacturing, military or other important usage.



                                  But even when used only for private purposes, the time effort to change it again after failing a 2nd time is not worth to choose cheap caps.



                                  There are many low-quality caps sold via internet that do not even match the ratings printed on the casing. The capacity could be less, the maximum voltage and temperature could be lower.



                                  Like stated already in other answers, it is worth to purchase a high quality cap with higher ratings both for voltage and temperature (in that case e.g. 80V and 105 C degrees), and ESR and other datas should be compared via data sheets.



                                  Since old caps anyway had a high tolerance of f.e. -20%/+50%, a higher capacity value should be no problem unless the ESR does not become too low. So 4700uF or 5600uF as replacement for a 4000uF should be fine.



                                  Normally there is much heat produced in old power supplies since they work via series regulation. The caps should not be close to or touching heat sinks.



                                  If the supply is anyway open, these points could be checked as well:



                                  1. Are all diodes/bridge rectifiers feeding that cap ok? Sometimes a broken cap is the result of bad diodes.

                                  2. All the screws pressing the power elements (f.e. 2N3055 transistors) to the heat sink(s) should be re-fastened. In many cases those screws are not tight enough anymore after half a century.

                                  3. Any resistors (or other elements) show burnt casings? Any burnt/colored areas on the PCBs?

                                  If the power supply was broken and not used for a long time, the first test should be via feeding from a variac after repair.



                                  The voltage should be slowly raised in order to enable all Electrolytic Caps to rebuild the oxyde layers without high surge currents - also the new cap could have been stored for a long time.






                                  share|improve this answer









                                  $endgroup$

















                                    3














                                    3










                                    3







                                    $begingroup$

                                    Adding to the answers:
                                    The cost of an Electrolytic Capacitor is nothing compared to any impact of a failed power supply, especially in the field of medical, manufacturing, military or other important usage.



                                    But even when used only for private purposes, the time effort to change it again after failing a 2nd time is not worth to choose cheap caps.



                                    There are many low-quality caps sold via internet that do not even match the ratings printed on the casing. The capacity could be less, the maximum voltage and temperature could be lower.



                                    Like stated already in other answers, it is worth to purchase a high quality cap with higher ratings both for voltage and temperature (in that case e.g. 80V and 105 C degrees), and ESR and other datas should be compared via data sheets.



                                    Since old caps anyway had a high tolerance of f.e. -20%/+50%, a higher capacity value should be no problem unless the ESR does not become too low. So 4700uF or 5600uF as replacement for a 4000uF should be fine.



                                    Normally there is much heat produced in old power supplies since they work via series regulation. The caps should not be close to or touching heat sinks.



                                    If the supply is anyway open, these points could be checked as well:



                                    1. Are all diodes/bridge rectifiers feeding that cap ok? Sometimes a broken cap is the result of bad diodes.

                                    2. All the screws pressing the power elements (f.e. 2N3055 transistors) to the heat sink(s) should be re-fastened. In many cases those screws are not tight enough anymore after half a century.

                                    3. Any resistors (or other elements) show burnt casings? Any burnt/colored areas on the PCBs?

                                    If the power supply was broken and not used for a long time, the first test should be via feeding from a variac after repair.



                                    The voltage should be slowly raised in order to enable all Electrolytic Caps to rebuild the oxyde layers without high surge currents - also the new cap could have been stored for a long time.






                                    share|improve this answer









                                    $endgroup$



                                    Adding to the answers:
                                    The cost of an Electrolytic Capacitor is nothing compared to any impact of a failed power supply, especially in the field of medical, manufacturing, military or other important usage.



                                    But even when used only for private purposes, the time effort to change it again after failing a 2nd time is not worth to choose cheap caps.



                                    There are many low-quality caps sold via internet that do not even match the ratings printed on the casing. The capacity could be less, the maximum voltage and temperature could be lower.



                                    Like stated already in other answers, it is worth to purchase a high quality cap with higher ratings both for voltage and temperature (in that case e.g. 80V and 105 C degrees), and ESR and other datas should be compared via data sheets.



                                    Since old caps anyway had a high tolerance of f.e. -20%/+50%, a higher capacity value should be no problem unless the ESR does not become too low. So 4700uF or 5600uF as replacement for a 4000uF should be fine.



                                    Normally there is much heat produced in old power supplies since they work via series regulation. The caps should not be close to or touching heat sinks.



                                    If the supply is anyway open, these points could be checked as well:



                                    1. Are all diodes/bridge rectifiers feeding that cap ok? Sometimes a broken cap is the result of bad diodes.

                                    2. All the screws pressing the power elements (f.e. 2N3055 transistors) to the heat sink(s) should be re-fastened. In many cases those screws are not tight enough anymore after half a century.

                                    3. Any resistors (or other elements) show burnt casings? Any burnt/colored areas on the PCBs?

                                    If the power supply was broken and not used for a long time, the first test should be via feeding from a variac after repair.



                                    The voltage should be slowly raised in order to enable all Electrolytic Caps to rebuild the oxyde layers without high surge currents - also the new cap could have been stored for a long time.







                                    share|improve this answer












                                    share|improve this answer



                                    share|improve this answer










                                    answered 4 hours ago









                                    xeekaxeeka

                                    843 bronze badges




                                    843 bronze badges























                                        Bob F is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.









                                        draft saved

                                        draft discarded


















                                        Bob F is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.












                                        Bob F is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.











                                        Bob F is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.














                                        Thanks for contributing an answer to Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange!


                                        • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                                        But avoid


                                        • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                                        • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

                                        Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


                                        To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                                        draft saved


                                        draft discarded














                                        StackExchange.ready(
                                        function ()
                                        StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2felectronics.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f455856%2fimportance-of-electrolytic-capacitor-size%23new-answer', 'question_page');

                                        );

                                        Post as a guest















                                        Required, but never shown





















































                                        Required, but never shown














                                        Required, but never shown












                                        Required, but never shown







                                        Required, but never shown

































                                        Required, but never shown














                                        Required, but never shown












                                        Required, but never shown







                                        Required, but never shown







                                        Popular posts from this blog

                                        ParseJSON using SSJSUsing AMPscript with SSJS ActivitiesHow to resubscribe a user in Marketing cloud using SSJS?Pulling Subscriber Status from Lists using SSJSRetrieving Emails using SSJSProblem in updating DE using SSJSUsing SSJS to send single email in Marketing CloudError adding EmailSendDefinition using SSJS

                                        Кампала Садржај Географија Географија Историја Становништво Привреда Партнерски градови Референце Спољашње везе Мени за навигацију0°11′ СГШ; 32°20′ ИГД / 0.18° СГШ; 32.34° ИГД / 0.18; 32.340°11′ СГШ; 32°20′ ИГД / 0.18° СГШ; 32.34° ИГД / 0.18; 32.34МедијиПодациЗванични веб-сајту

                                        19. јануар Садржај Догађаји Рођења Смрти Празници и дани сећања Види још Референце Мени за навигацијуу