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Professor refuses to write a recommendation letter
How to obtain a fair recommendation letter from a professor who knows me via course, not research?Recommendation Letter Request: No responseAsking for a letter of recommendation from a professor who's witnessed my breakdownShould I take PhD application recommendation letter from academic advisor?Professor refusing to write recommendation letter to make student work longerProfessor refuses letter of recommendation requestRequesting a professor I barely know a recommendation letter for postdoc
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I am currently a fourth-year Electrical Engineering student. I have been a top-ranked student in our department. I have passed 3 courses with a professor in our department and have received a full mark in all three. I did participate a lot in all classes and had many discussions about the courses in his office hours. He knows me very well. I have also been the teaching assistant of this professor twice, for two distinct courses. I believe that I have also done a decent job as a TA for him. I also have worked in his research lab for a year now.
Recently I have asked this professor for a recommendation letter for graduate and he refuses, arguing he has decided to only give a recommendation letter to people who have written a research paper with him. By the way, he is willing to accept me as a master student, in his group but I prefer moving to another university.
My professor is new to the field I am currently working on and I believe it is hard for an undergraduate student to write a scientific paper in this situation.
I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation.
Edit:
May reasonable was not the best choice of word. I meant whether only giving recommendation letters to co-authors is something "common".
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I am currently a fourth-year Electrical Engineering student. I have been a top-ranked student in our department. I have passed 3 courses with a professor in our department and have received a full mark in all three. I did participate a lot in all classes and had many discussions about the courses in his office hours. He knows me very well. I have also been the teaching assistant of this professor twice, for two distinct courses. I believe that I have also done a decent job as a TA for him. I also have worked in his research lab for a year now.
Recently I have asked this professor for a recommendation letter for graduate and he refuses, arguing he has decided to only give a recommendation letter to people who have written a research paper with him. By the way, he is willing to accept me as a master student, in his group but I prefer moving to another university.
My professor is new to the field I am currently working on and I believe it is hard for an undergraduate student to write a scientific paper in this situation.
I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation.
Edit:
May reasonable was not the best choice of word. I meant whether only giving recommendation letters to co-authors is something "common".
advisor recommendation-letter undergraduate
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I have the same policy for students applying to graduate schools. The reason is as follows: your marks already showed that you are a good student. I cannot add to that. I have no idea about your research abilities if you haven't worked with me.
– Prof. Santa Claus
7 hours ago
12
It's not in your interest to get a letter of recommendation from someone who would rather not write a letter of recommendation for you. Let it go.
– Brian Borchers
7 hours ago
1
@Prof.Claus: working can be different than "writing a paper with you".
– user112604
7 hours ago
3
@Prof.SantaClaus Most programs ask for about three recommendation letters. Do you expect undergraduate students to complete three different theses to collect three recommendation letters? Or does someone have to write a letter for the student who has not seen them complete an individual project?
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
4
@Prof.SantaClaus I guess I'm mostly gently suggesting you reconsider your policy and have some thought for your students. You don't need to lie through your teeth, just let the student know what you can say about them and write the best letter you can in that frame. If their only contact with you was in an impersonal course, it's reasonable to say you can't add anything in a letter. OP worked in their lab for a year, was their TA twice, attended office hours, etc. Writing recommendation letters is part of a professor's job.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
I am currently a fourth-year Electrical Engineering student. I have been a top-ranked student in our department. I have passed 3 courses with a professor in our department and have received a full mark in all three. I did participate a lot in all classes and had many discussions about the courses in his office hours. He knows me very well. I have also been the teaching assistant of this professor twice, for two distinct courses. I believe that I have also done a decent job as a TA for him. I also have worked in his research lab for a year now.
Recently I have asked this professor for a recommendation letter for graduate and he refuses, arguing he has decided to only give a recommendation letter to people who have written a research paper with him. By the way, he is willing to accept me as a master student, in his group but I prefer moving to another university.
My professor is new to the field I am currently working on and I believe it is hard for an undergraduate student to write a scientific paper in this situation.
I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation.
Edit:
May reasonable was not the best choice of word. I meant whether only giving recommendation letters to co-authors is something "common".
advisor recommendation-letter undergraduate
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I am currently a fourth-year Electrical Engineering student. I have been a top-ranked student in our department. I have passed 3 courses with a professor in our department and have received a full mark in all three. I did participate a lot in all classes and had many discussions about the courses in his office hours. He knows me very well. I have also been the teaching assistant of this professor twice, for two distinct courses. I believe that I have also done a decent job as a TA for him. I also have worked in his research lab for a year now.
Recently I have asked this professor for a recommendation letter for graduate and he refuses, arguing he has decided to only give a recommendation letter to people who have written a research paper with him. By the way, he is willing to accept me as a master student, in his group but I prefer moving to another university.
My professor is new to the field I am currently working on and I believe it is hard for an undergraduate student to write a scientific paper in this situation.
I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation.
Edit:
May reasonable was not the best choice of word. I meant whether only giving recommendation letters to co-authors is something "common".
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I have the same policy for students applying to graduate schools. The reason is as follows: your marks already showed that you are a good student. I cannot add to that. I have no idea about your research abilities if you haven't worked with me.
– Prof. Santa Claus
7 hours ago
12
It's not in your interest to get a letter of recommendation from someone who would rather not write a letter of recommendation for you. Let it go.
– Brian Borchers
7 hours ago
1
@Prof.Claus: working can be different than "writing a paper with you".
– user112604
7 hours ago
3
@Prof.SantaClaus Most programs ask for about three recommendation letters. Do you expect undergraduate students to complete three different theses to collect three recommendation letters? Or does someone have to write a letter for the student who has not seen them complete an individual project?
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
4
@Prof.SantaClaus I guess I'm mostly gently suggesting you reconsider your policy and have some thought for your students. You don't need to lie through your teeth, just let the student know what you can say about them and write the best letter you can in that frame. If their only contact with you was in an impersonal course, it's reasonable to say you can't add anything in a letter. OP worked in their lab for a year, was their TA twice, attended office hours, etc. Writing recommendation letters is part of a professor's job.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
4
I have the same policy for students applying to graduate schools. The reason is as follows: your marks already showed that you are a good student. I cannot add to that. I have no idea about your research abilities if you haven't worked with me.
– Prof. Santa Claus
7 hours ago
12
It's not in your interest to get a letter of recommendation from someone who would rather not write a letter of recommendation for you. Let it go.
– Brian Borchers
7 hours ago
1
@Prof.Claus: working can be different than "writing a paper with you".
– user112604
7 hours ago
3
@Prof.SantaClaus Most programs ask for about three recommendation letters. Do you expect undergraduate students to complete three different theses to collect three recommendation letters? Or does someone have to write a letter for the student who has not seen them complete an individual project?
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
4
@Prof.SantaClaus I guess I'm mostly gently suggesting you reconsider your policy and have some thought for your students. You don't need to lie through your teeth, just let the student know what you can say about them and write the best letter you can in that frame. If their only contact with you was in an impersonal course, it's reasonable to say you can't add anything in a letter. OP worked in their lab for a year, was their TA twice, attended office hours, etc. Writing recommendation letters is part of a professor's job.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
4
4
I have the same policy for students applying to graduate schools. The reason is as follows: your marks already showed that you are a good student. I cannot add to that. I have no idea about your research abilities if you haven't worked with me.
– Prof. Santa Claus
7 hours ago
I have the same policy for students applying to graduate schools. The reason is as follows: your marks already showed that you are a good student. I cannot add to that. I have no idea about your research abilities if you haven't worked with me.
– Prof. Santa Claus
7 hours ago
12
12
It's not in your interest to get a letter of recommendation from someone who would rather not write a letter of recommendation for you. Let it go.
– Brian Borchers
7 hours ago
It's not in your interest to get a letter of recommendation from someone who would rather not write a letter of recommendation for you. Let it go.
– Brian Borchers
7 hours ago
1
1
@Prof.Claus: working can be different than "writing a paper with you".
– user112604
7 hours ago
@Prof.Claus: working can be different than "writing a paper with you".
– user112604
7 hours ago
3
3
@Prof.SantaClaus Most programs ask for about three recommendation letters. Do you expect undergraduate students to complete three different theses to collect three recommendation letters? Or does someone have to write a letter for the student who has not seen them complete an individual project?
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
@Prof.SantaClaus Most programs ask for about three recommendation letters. Do you expect undergraduate students to complete three different theses to collect three recommendation letters? Or does someone have to write a letter for the student who has not seen them complete an individual project?
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
4
4
@Prof.SantaClaus I guess I'm mostly gently suggesting you reconsider your policy and have some thought for your students. You don't need to lie through your teeth, just let the student know what you can say about them and write the best letter you can in that frame. If their only contact with you was in an impersonal course, it's reasonable to say you can't add anything in a letter. OP worked in their lab for a year, was their TA twice, attended office hours, etc. Writing recommendation letters is part of a professor's job.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
@Prof.SantaClaus I guess I'm mostly gently suggesting you reconsider your policy and have some thought for your students. You don't need to lie through your teeth, just let the student know what you can say about them and write the best letter you can in that frame. If their only contact with you was in an impersonal course, it's reasonable to say you can't add anything in a letter. OP worked in their lab for a year, was their TA twice, attended office hours, etc. Writing recommendation letters is part of a professor's job.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
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We can not say if they are reasonable. We only know the details you provide and.moreover, we are not judges.
But this is the wrong question. Why should it matter for you if we say the prof is reasonable or not? There aremany unreasonable people in the world. Among those are professors, students, astronauts, beggars, social workers, farmers,.. with one word: everyone.
So son't ask whether they are reasonable. The answer does not help you.
How to handle this: Ask another prof if avaiable.
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But, yes, it is ungenerous and unhelpful, in any case.
– paul garrett
8 hours ago
I liked this answer!
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
1
It is not helpful to the OP, but it is helpful to some other students: his PhD students will get a letter that will be more appreciated than other prof's letters apparently, because this professor takes his letters very seriously.
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
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Yes, the refusal seems reasonable in general. The professor is the one who should decide who he writes reference letters to, and if he has a policy of providing letters only to collaborators that is his right. Though unfriendly to undergraduate, it does have some merit: his letters can be trusted to a very high degree.
More importantly: any kind of hesitation from a potential reference letter writer should be an immediate warning sign that the person may not give you a good letter.
Conclusion: find another professor.
3
Disagree with the first point, agree with the rest. It's reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation if you can't write a strong one. It's not reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation letter for someone you are willing to take as a student.
– Bryan Krause
7 hours ago
I think he is willing to take him only as an MSc student, meaning that in this period he can asses him better, and he is willing to take the risk. Also, I think it is certainly reasonable for a serious scientist to agree only to write letters to collaborators. It shows seriousness. I have indeed no opinion about the specifics of this story. But generally it seems reasonable to provide letters to people you know close enough.
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
Also, the main question here is what does "reasonable" mean? Legal? Moral? Normative? Regulatory? Ethical?
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
3
OP has taken 3 courses with the professor, been their TA twice, and worked in their lab for a year. The professor could certainly say they aren't able to speak to their complete research abilities, but I'd hardly say they fit into a category of someone that doesn't know them enough. Undergraduates shouldn't have to complete research projects with 3 different professors to gather enough recommendation letters to apply to graduate school. They are fully being a jerk if the OP has described the situation accurately. Unfortunately, there is little OP can do about it.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
What does the "reasonable" in your answer mean?
– user112604
6 hours ago
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I recommend not limiting your options. Since as you said, you are the top ranked student in your department, finding another teacher who's willing to write you a good recommendation letter shouldn't be that hard. If course it only makes sense to seek someone who you know can write you a good letter that helps your cause.
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I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable
My personal opinion is that if you worked in his lab for a year (satisfactorily), it is unreasonable to refuse a letter. All the more so if you had other good interactions (TAing, etc.) with him.
and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation!
Unfortunately, my opinion counts for absolutely nothing. You cannot force this professor to write you a letter, and would be unwise to try. All you can do is find someone else. Preferably someone who can comment on your research, or at least someone who can confirm that your advisor almost never writes letters for undergrads (i.e., vouching that the lack of a letter from your advisor should not reflect poorly on you).
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We can not say if they are reasonable. We only know the details you provide and.moreover, we are not judges.
But this is the wrong question. Why should it matter for you if we say the prof is reasonable or not? There aremany unreasonable people in the world. Among those are professors, students, astronauts, beggars, social workers, farmers,.. with one word: everyone.
So son't ask whether they are reasonable. The answer does not help you.
How to handle this: Ask another prof if avaiable.
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But, yes, it is ungenerous and unhelpful, in any case.
– paul garrett
8 hours ago
I liked this answer!
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
1
It is not helpful to the OP, but it is helpful to some other students: his PhD students will get a letter that will be more appreciated than other prof's letters apparently, because this professor takes his letters very seriously.
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
add a comment |
We can not say if they are reasonable. We only know the details you provide and.moreover, we are not judges.
But this is the wrong question. Why should it matter for you if we say the prof is reasonable or not? There aremany unreasonable people in the world. Among those are professors, students, astronauts, beggars, social workers, farmers,.. with one word: everyone.
So son't ask whether they are reasonable. The answer does not help you.
How to handle this: Ask another prof if avaiable.
New contributor
3
But, yes, it is ungenerous and unhelpful, in any case.
– paul garrett
8 hours ago
I liked this answer!
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
1
It is not helpful to the OP, but it is helpful to some other students: his PhD students will get a letter that will be more appreciated than other prof's letters apparently, because this professor takes his letters very seriously.
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
add a comment |
We can not say if they are reasonable. We only know the details you provide and.moreover, we are not judges.
But this is the wrong question. Why should it matter for you if we say the prof is reasonable or not? There aremany unreasonable people in the world. Among those are professors, students, astronauts, beggars, social workers, farmers,.. with one word: everyone.
So son't ask whether they are reasonable. The answer does not help you.
How to handle this: Ask another prof if avaiable.
New contributor
We can not say if they are reasonable. We only know the details you provide and.moreover, we are not judges.
But this is the wrong question. Why should it matter for you if we say the prof is reasonable or not? There aremany unreasonable people in the world. Among those are professors, students, astronauts, beggars, social workers, farmers,.. with one word: everyone.
So son't ask whether they are reasonable. The answer does not help you.
How to handle this: Ask another prof if avaiable.
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But, yes, it is ungenerous and unhelpful, in any case.
– paul garrett
8 hours ago
I liked this answer!
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
1
It is not helpful to the OP, but it is helpful to some other students: his PhD students will get a letter that will be more appreciated than other prof's letters apparently, because this professor takes his letters very seriously.
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
add a comment |
3
But, yes, it is ungenerous and unhelpful, in any case.
– paul garrett
8 hours ago
I liked this answer!
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
1
It is not helpful to the OP, but it is helpful to some other students: his PhD students will get a letter that will be more appreciated than other prof's letters apparently, because this professor takes his letters very seriously.
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
3
3
But, yes, it is ungenerous and unhelpful, in any case.
– paul garrett
8 hours ago
But, yes, it is ungenerous and unhelpful, in any case.
– paul garrett
8 hours ago
I liked this answer!
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
I liked this answer!
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
1
1
It is not helpful to the OP, but it is helpful to some other students: his PhD students will get a letter that will be more appreciated than other prof's letters apparently, because this professor takes his letters very seriously.
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
It is not helpful to the OP, but it is helpful to some other students: his PhD students will get a letter that will be more appreciated than other prof's letters apparently, because this professor takes his letters very seriously.
– Dilworth
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, the refusal seems reasonable in general. The professor is the one who should decide who he writes reference letters to, and if he has a policy of providing letters only to collaborators that is his right. Though unfriendly to undergraduate, it does have some merit: his letters can be trusted to a very high degree.
More importantly: any kind of hesitation from a potential reference letter writer should be an immediate warning sign that the person may not give you a good letter.
Conclusion: find another professor.
3
Disagree with the first point, agree with the rest. It's reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation if you can't write a strong one. It's not reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation letter for someone you are willing to take as a student.
– Bryan Krause
7 hours ago
I think he is willing to take him only as an MSc student, meaning that in this period he can asses him better, and he is willing to take the risk. Also, I think it is certainly reasonable for a serious scientist to agree only to write letters to collaborators. It shows seriousness. I have indeed no opinion about the specifics of this story. But generally it seems reasonable to provide letters to people you know close enough.
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
Also, the main question here is what does "reasonable" mean? Legal? Moral? Normative? Regulatory? Ethical?
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
3
OP has taken 3 courses with the professor, been their TA twice, and worked in their lab for a year. The professor could certainly say they aren't able to speak to their complete research abilities, but I'd hardly say they fit into a category of someone that doesn't know them enough. Undergraduates shouldn't have to complete research projects with 3 different professors to gather enough recommendation letters to apply to graduate school. They are fully being a jerk if the OP has described the situation accurately. Unfortunately, there is little OP can do about it.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
What does the "reasonable" in your answer mean?
– user112604
6 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
Yes, the refusal seems reasonable in general. The professor is the one who should decide who he writes reference letters to, and if he has a policy of providing letters only to collaborators that is his right. Though unfriendly to undergraduate, it does have some merit: his letters can be trusted to a very high degree.
More importantly: any kind of hesitation from a potential reference letter writer should be an immediate warning sign that the person may not give you a good letter.
Conclusion: find another professor.
3
Disagree with the first point, agree with the rest. It's reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation if you can't write a strong one. It's not reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation letter for someone you are willing to take as a student.
– Bryan Krause
7 hours ago
I think he is willing to take him only as an MSc student, meaning that in this period he can asses him better, and he is willing to take the risk. Also, I think it is certainly reasonable for a serious scientist to agree only to write letters to collaborators. It shows seriousness. I have indeed no opinion about the specifics of this story. But generally it seems reasonable to provide letters to people you know close enough.
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
Also, the main question here is what does "reasonable" mean? Legal? Moral? Normative? Regulatory? Ethical?
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
3
OP has taken 3 courses with the professor, been their TA twice, and worked in their lab for a year. The professor could certainly say they aren't able to speak to their complete research abilities, but I'd hardly say they fit into a category of someone that doesn't know them enough. Undergraduates shouldn't have to complete research projects with 3 different professors to gather enough recommendation letters to apply to graduate school. They are fully being a jerk if the OP has described the situation accurately. Unfortunately, there is little OP can do about it.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
What does the "reasonable" in your answer mean?
– user112604
6 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
Yes, the refusal seems reasonable in general. The professor is the one who should decide who he writes reference letters to, and if he has a policy of providing letters only to collaborators that is his right. Though unfriendly to undergraduate, it does have some merit: his letters can be trusted to a very high degree.
More importantly: any kind of hesitation from a potential reference letter writer should be an immediate warning sign that the person may not give you a good letter.
Conclusion: find another professor.
Yes, the refusal seems reasonable in general. The professor is the one who should decide who he writes reference letters to, and if he has a policy of providing letters only to collaborators that is his right. Though unfriendly to undergraduate, it does have some merit: his letters can be trusted to a very high degree.
More importantly: any kind of hesitation from a potential reference letter writer should be an immediate warning sign that the person may not give you a good letter.
Conclusion: find another professor.
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Disagree with the first point, agree with the rest. It's reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation if you can't write a strong one. It's not reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation letter for someone you are willing to take as a student.
– Bryan Krause
7 hours ago
I think he is willing to take him only as an MSc student, meaning that in this period he can asses him better, and he is willing to take the risk. Also, I think it is certainly reasonable for a serious scientist to agree only to write letters to collaborators. It shows seriousness. I have indeed no opinion about the specifics of this story. But generally it seems reasonable to provide letters to people you know close enough.
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
Also, the main question here is what does "reasonable" mean? Legal? Moral? Normative? Regulatory? Ethical?
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
3
OP has taken 3 courses with the professor, been their TA twice, and worked in their lab for a year. The professor could certainly say they aren't able to speak to their complete research abilities, but I'd hardly say they fit into a category of someone that doesn't know them enough. Undergraduates shouldn't have to complete research projects with 3 different professors to gather enough recommendation letters to apply to graduate school. They are fully being a jerk if the OP has described the situation accurately. Unfortunately, there is little OP can do about it.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
What does the "reasonable" in your answer mean?
– user112604
6 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
3
Disagree with the first point, agree with the rest. It's reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation if you can't write a strong one. It's not reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation letter for someone you are willing to take as a student.
– Bryan Krause
7 hours ago
I think he is willing to take him only as an MSc student, meaning that in this period he can asses him better, and he is willing to take the risk. Also, I think it is certainly reasonable for a serious scientist to agree only to write letters to collaborators. It shows seriousness. I have indeed no opinion about the specifics of this story. But generally it seems reasonable to provide letters to people you know close enough.
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
Also, the main question here is what does "reasonable" mean? Legal? Moral? Normative? Regulatory? Ethical?
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
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OP has taken 3 courses with the professor, been their TA twice, and worked in their lab for a year. The professor could certainly say they aren't able to speak to their complete research abilities, but I'd hardly say they fit into a category of someone that doesn't know them enough. Undergraduates shouldn't have to complete research projects with 3 different professors to gather enough recommendation letters to apply to graduate school. They are fully being a jerk if the OP has described the situation accurately. Unfortunately, there is little OP can do about it.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
What does the "reasonable" in your answer mean?
– user112604
6 hours ago
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Disagree with the first point, agree with the rest. It's reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation if you can't write a strong one. It's not reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation letter for someone you are willing to take as a student.
– Bryan Krause
7 hours ago
Disagree with the first point, agree with the rest. It's reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation if you can't write a strong one. It's not reasonable to refuse to write a recommendation letter for someone you are willing to take as a student.
– Bryan Krause
7 hours ago
I think he is willing to take him only as an MSc student, meaning that in this period he can asses him better, and he is willing to take the risk. Also, I think it is certainly reasonable for a serious scientist to agree only to write letters to collaborators. It shows seriousness. I have indeed no opinion about the specifics of this story. But generally it seems reasonable to provide letters to people you know close enough.
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
I think he is willing to take him only as an MSc student, meaning that in this period he can asses him better, and he is willing to take the risk. Also, I think it is certainly reasonable for a serious scientist to agree only to write letters to collaborators. It shows seriousness. I have indeed no opinion about the specifics of this story. But generally it seems reasonable to provide letters to people you know close enough.
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
Also, the main question here is what does "reasonable" mean? Legal? Moral? Normative? Regulatory? Ethical?
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
Also, the main question here is what does "reasonable" mean? Legal? Moral? Normative? Regulatory? Ethical?
– Dilworth
7 hours ago
3
3
OP has taken 3 courses with the professor, been their TA twice, and worked in their lab for a year. The professor could certainly say they aren't able to speak to their complete research abilities, but I'd hardly say they fit into a category of someone that doesn't know them enough. Undergraduates shouldn't have to complete research projects with 3 different professors to gather enough recommendation letters to apply to graduate school. They are fully being a jerk if the OP has described the situation accurately. Unfortunately, there is little OP can do about it.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
OP has taken 3 courses with the professor, been their TA twice, and worked in their lab for a year. The professor could certainly say they aren't able to speak to their complete research abilities, but I'd hardly say they fit into a category of someone that doesn't know them enough. Undergraduates shouldn't have to complete research projects with 3 different professors to gather enough recommendation letters to apply to graduate school. They are fully being a jerk if the OP has described the situation accurately. Unfortunately, there is little OP can do about it.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
What does the "reasonable" in your answer mean?
– user112604
6 hours ago
What does the "reasonable" in your answer mean?
– user112604
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I recommend not limiting your options. Since as you said, you are the top ranked student in your department, finding another teacher who's willing to write you a good recommendation letter shouldn't be that hard. If course it only makes sense to seek someone who you know can write you a good letter that helps your cause.
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I recommend not limiting your options. Since as you said, you are the top ranked student in your department, finding another teacher who's willing to write you a good recommendation letter shouldn't be that hard. If course it only makes sense to seek someone who you know can write you a good letter that helps your cause.
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I recommend not limiting your options. Since as you said, you are the top ranked student in your department, finding another teacher who's willing to write you a good recommendation letter shouldn't be that hard. If course it only makes sense to seek someone who you know can write you a good letter that helps your cause.
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I recommend not limiting your options. Since as you said, you are the top ranked student in your department, finding another teacher who's willing to write you a good recommendation letter shouldn't be that hard. If course it only makes sense to seek someone who you know can write you a good letter that helps your cause.
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I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable
My personal opinion is that if you worked in his lab for a year (satisfactorily), it is unreasonable to refuse a letter. All the more so if you had other good interactions (TAing, etc.) with him.
and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation!
Unfortunately, my opinion counts for absolutely nothing. You cannot force this professor to write you a letter, and would be unwise to try. All you can do is find someone else. Preferably someone who can comment on your research, or at least someone who can confirm that your advisor almost never writes letters for undergrads (i.e., vouching that the lack of a letter from your advisor should not reflect poorly on you).
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I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable
My personal opinion is that if you worked in his lab for a year (satisfactorily), it is unreasonable to refuse a letter. All the more so if you had other good interactions (TAing, etc.) with him.
and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation!
Unfortunately, my opinion counts for absolutely nothing. You cannot force this professor to write you a letter, and would be unwise to try. All you can do is find someone else. Preferably someone who can comment on your research, or at least someone who can confirm that your advisor almost never writes letters for undergrads (i.e., vouching that the lack of a letter from your advisor should not reflect poorly on you).
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I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable
My personal opinion is that if you worked in his lab for a year (satisfactorily), it is unreasonable to refuse a letter. All the more so if you had other good interactions (TAing, etc.) with him.
and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation!
Unfortunately, my opinion counts for absolutely nothing. You cannot force this professor to write you a letter, and would be unwise to try. All you can do is find someone else. Preferably someone who can comment on your research, or at least someone who can confirm that your advisor almost never writes letters for undergrads (i.e., vouching that the lack of a letter from your advisor should not reflect poorly on you).
I wanted to ask whether his refusal for recommendation letters is reasonable
My personal opinion is that if you worked in his lab for a year (satisfactorily), it is unreasonable to refuse a letter. All the more so if you had other good interactions (TAing, etc.) with him.
and also ask for some advice on how to handle this situation!
Unfortunately, my opinion counts for absolutely nothing. You cannot force this professor to write you a letter, and would be unwise to try. All you can do is find someone else. Preferably someone who can comment on your research, or at least someone who can confirm that your advisor almost never writes letters for undergrads (i.e., vouching that the lack of a letter from your advisor should not reflect poorly on you).
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I have the same policy for students applying to graduate schools. The reason is as follows: your marks already showed that you are a good student. I cannot add to that. I have no idea about your research abilities if you haven't worked with me.
– Prof. Santa Claus
7 hours ago
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It's not in your interest to get a letter of recommendation from someone who would rather not write a letter of recommendation for you. Let it go.
– Brian Borchers
7 hours ago
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@Prof.Claus: working can be different than "writing a paper with you".
– user112604
7 hours ago
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@Prof.SantaClaus Most programs ask for about three recommendation letters. Do you expect undergraduate students to complete three different theses to collect three recommendation letters? Or does someone have to write a letter for the student who has not seen them complete an individual project?
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago
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@Prof.SantaClaus I guess I'm mostly gently suggesting you reconsider your policy and have some thought for your students. You don't need to lie through your teeth, just let the student know what you can say about them and write the best letter you can in that frame. If their only contact with you was in an impersonal course, it's reasonable to say you can't add anything in a letter. OP worked in their lab for a year, was their TA twice, attended office hours, etc. Writing recommendation letters is part of a professor's job.
– Bryan Krause
6 hours ago