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I've been swallowed and the creature has been Baleful Polymorphed; what happens?
What happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?What happens if one's petrified while Enlarged (or Polymorphed)?What happens when a Polymorphed creature is reduced to 0 HP by Disintegrate?What happens when a creature possessed by an intellect devourer is true polymorphed?Eidolon Swallow Whole EvolutionWhat happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?What happens when a polymorphed creature is petrified?What happens to swallowed creatures when Banishment is cast on the creature that swallowed them?What happens to your class features if you short rest while your form has been changed?If an enemy succeeds in attacking through Sanctuary, is the Sanctuary considered broken?What happens when polymorph ends in a demiplane that is too small for the creature?
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Related question but different game (D&D 5e): What happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?
We went into the water and a 5x4 creature attacked us. It had grab on a natural attack and swallow whole. I was... unlucky.
One of the other players hit it with Baleful Polymorph and it failed the save so it became a small clam, which is smaller than me. Are there any rules which cover this situation?
The DM ruled that I burst out of it, but I feel this is not what should have happened unless I was also given a save. I should have been treated as a held object and polymorphed with it. Nothing happens to me because I meld, so if the group wants me back they have to finish the combat.
pathfinder spells polymorph creature-size swallow-whole
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Related question but different game (D&D 5e): What happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?
We went into the water and a 5x4 creature attacked us. It had grab on a natural attack and swallow whole. I was... unlucky.
One of the other players hit it with Baleful Polymorph and it failed the save so it became a small clam, which is smaller than me. Are there any rules which cover this situation?
The DM ruled that I burst out of it, but I feel this is not what should have happened unless I was also given a save. I should have been treated as a held object and polymorphed with it. Nothing happens to me because I meld, so if the group wants me back they have to finish the combat.
pathfinder spells polymorph creature-size swallow-whole
edited 5 hours ago
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asked 8 hours ago
FeringFering
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Do you mean a smallclam?
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– Jasen
6 hours ago
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@Jasen No, um, its a special sub-species that only exists for this question, lol
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1 hour ago
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$begingroup$
Related question but different game (D&D 5e): What happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?
We went into the water and a 5x4 creature attacked us. It had grab on a natural attack and swallow whole. I was... unlucky.
One of the other players hit it with Baleful Polymorph and it failed the save so it became a small clam, which is smaller than me. Are there any rules which cover this situation?
The DM ruled that I burst out of it, but I feel this is not what should have happened unless I was also given a save. I should have been treated as a held object and polymorphed with it. Nothing happens to me because I meld, so if the group wants me back they have to finish the combat.
pathfinder spells polymorph creature-size swallow-whole
edited 5 hours ago
V2Blast♦
30.7k5113187
asked 8 hours ago
FeringFering
13.3k346155
$endgroup$
Related question but different game (D&D 5e): What happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?
We went into the water and a 5x4 creature attacked us. It had grab on a natural attack and swallow whole. I was... unlucky.
One of the other players hit it with Baleful Polymorph and it failed the save so it became a small clam, which is smaller than me. Are there any rules which cover this situation?
The DM ruled that I burst out of it, but I feel this is not what should have happened unless I was also given a save. I should have been treated as a held object and polymorphed with it. Nothing happens to me because I meld, so if the group wants me back they have to finish the combat.
pathfinder spells polymorph creature-size swallow-whole
pathfinder spells polymorph creature-size swallow-whole
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asked 8 hours ago
FeringFering
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edited 5 hours ago
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FeringFering
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V2Blast♦
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Do you mean a smallclam?
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– Jasen
6 hours ago
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@Jasen No, um, its a special sub-species that only exists for this question, lol
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– Fering
1 hour ago
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1
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Do you mean a smallclam?
$endgroup$
– Jasen
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Jasen No, um, its a special sub-species that only exists for this question, lol
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
1
1
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Do you mean a small
clam?$endgroup$
– Jasen
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Do you mean a small
clam?$endgroup$
– Jasen
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Jasen No, um, its a special sub-species that only exists for this question, lol
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
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@Jasen No, um, its a special sub-species that only exists for this question, lol
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Your GM is likely correct.
If we look at the rules for Swallow Whole, they state:
If a creature with this special attack begins its turn with an opponent grappled in its mouth (see Grab), it can attempt a new combat maneuver check (as though attempting to pin the opponent). If it succeeds, it swallows its prey, and the opponent takes bite damage. Unless otherwise noted, the opponent can be up to one size category Smaller than the swallowing creature. Being swallowed causes a creature to take damage each round. The amount and type of damage varies and is given in the creature’s statistics. A swallowed creature keeps the grappled condition, while the creature that did the swallowing does not. A swallowed creature can try to cut its way free with any light slashing or piercing weapon (the amount of cutting damage required to get free is equal to 1/10 the creature’s total hit points), or it can just try to escape the grapple. The Armor Class of the interior of a creature that swallows whole is normally 10 + 1/2 its natural armor bonus, with no modifiers for size or Dexterity. If a swallowed creature cuts its way out, the swallowing creature cannot use swallow whole again until the damage is healed. If the swallowed creature escapes the grapple, success puts it back in the attacker’s mouth, where it may be bitten or swallowed again.
Nowhere in there does it state you are treated like a held item, therefore you would not be polymorphed with it. Likewise, a familiar in a Familiar Satchel would not be merged with you if you polymorphed, as it is not an object.
Now if we look at Baleful Polymorph, it says:
... If the spell succeeds, the subject must also make a Will save. If this second save fails, the creature loses its extraordinary, supernatural, and spell-like abilities, loses its ability to cast spells (if it had the ability), and gains the alignment, special abilities, and Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores of its new form in place of its own. ...
Assuming the creature failed the second save, it would have lost the Swallow Whole ability, this would mean that you are no longer able to be swallowed by it. Thus you would be disgorged from its body.
answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
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In fact, one might say your GM is right regardless of anyone else’s rule analysis, because that’s what he ruled at the table for your game.
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– mxyzplk
3 hours ago
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@mxyzplk Yes, rule zero can always apply, but my groups try to side with reason or where the rules are.
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– Fering
1 hour ago
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@william You raised some good points about why I should not have melded, thanks
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– Fering
1 hour ago
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@mxyzplk that was my first instinct for a reply, but I figured I shouldn't be salty and cause trouble on here. If it was on the paizo forums I would've.
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– william porter
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Your GM is likely correct.
If we look at the rules for Swallow Whole, they state:
If a creature with this special attack begins its turn with an opponent grappled in its mouth (see Grab), it can attempt a new combat maneuver check (as though attempting to pin the opponent). If it succeeds, it swallows its prey, and the opponent takes bite damage. Unless otherwise noted, the opponent can be up to one size category Smaller than the swallowing creature. Being swallowed causes a creature to take damage each round. The amount and type of damage varies and is given in the creature’s statistics. A swallowed creature keeps the grappled condition, while the creature that did the swallowing does not. A swallowed creature can try to cut its way free with any light slashing or piercing weapon (the amount of cutting damage required to get free is equal to 1/10 the creature’s total hit points), or it can just try to escape the grapple. The Armor Class of the interior of a creature that swallows whole is normally 10 + 1/2 its natural armor bonus, with no modifiers for size or Dexterity. If a swallowed creature cuts its way out, the swallowing creature cannot use swallow whole again until the damage is healed. If the swallowed creature escapes the grapple, success puts it back in the attacker’s mouth, where it may be bitten or swallowed again.
Nowhere in there does it state you are treated like a held item, therefore you would not be polymorphed with it. Likewise, a familiar in a Familiar Satchel would not be merged with you if you polymorphed, as it is not an object.
Now if we look at Baleful Polymorph, it says:
... If the spell succeeds, the subject must also make a Will save. If this second save fails, the creature loses its extraordinary, supernatural, and spell-like abilities, loses its ability to cast spells (if it had the ability), and gains the alignment, special abilities, and Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores of its new form in place of its own. ...
Assuming the creature failed the second save, it would have lost the Swallow Whole ability, this would mean that you are no longer able to be swallowed by it. Thus you would be disgorged from its body.
answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
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In fact, one might say your GM is right regardless of anyone else’s rule analysis, because that’s what he ruled at the table for your game.
$endgroup$
– mxyzplk
3 hours ago
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@mxyzplk Yes, rule zero can always apply, but my groups try to side with reason or where the rules are.
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
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@william You raised some good points about why I should not have melded, thanks
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– Fering
1 hour ago
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@mxyzplk that was my first instinct for a reply, but I figured I shouldn't be salty and cause trouble on here. If it was on the paizo forums I would've.
$endgroup$
– william porter
13 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Your GM is likely correct.
If we look at the rules for Swallow Whole, they state:
If a creature with this special attack begins its turn with an opponent grappled in its mouth (see Grab), it can attempt a new combat maneuver check (as though attempting to pin the opponent). If it succeeds, it swallows its prey, and the opponent takes bite damage. Unless otherwise noted, the opponent can be up to one size category Smaller than the swallowing creature. Being swallowed causes a creature to take damage each round. The amount and type of damage varies and is given in the creature’s statistics. A swallowed creature keeps the grappled condition, while the creature that did the swallowing does not. A swallowed creature can try to cut its way free with any light slashing or piercing weapon (the amount of cutting damage required to get free is equal to 1/10 the creature’s total hit points), or it can just try to escape the grapple. The Armor Class of the interior of a creature that swallows whole is normally 10 + 1/2 its natural armor bonus, with no modifiers for size or Dexterity. If a swallowed creature cuts its way out, the swallowing creature cannot use swallow whole again until the damage is healed. If the swallowed creature escapes the grapple, success puts it back in the attacker’s mouth, where it may be bitten or swallowed again.
Nowhere in there does it state you are treated like a held item, therefore you would not be polymorphed with it. Likewise, a familiar in a Familiar Satchel would not be merged with you if you polymorphed, as it is not an object.
Now if we look at Baleful Polymorph, it says:
... If the spell succeeds, the subject must also make a Will save. If this second save fails, the creature loses its extraordinary, supernatural, and spell-like abilities, loses its ability to cast spells (if it had the ability), and gains the alignment, special abilities, and Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores of its new form in place of its own. ...
Assuming the creature failed the second save, it would have lost the Swallow Whole ability, this would mean that you are no longer able to be swallowed by it. Thus you would be disgorged from its body.
answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
3,317729
$endgroup$
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In fact, one might say your GM is right regardless of anyone else’s rule analysis, because that’s what he ruled at the table for your game.
$endgroup$
– mxyzplk
3 hours ago
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@mxyzplk Yes, rule zero can always apply, but my groups try to side with reason or where the rules are.
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
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@william You raised some good points about why I should not have melded, thanks
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
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@mxyzplk that was my first instinct for a reply, but I figured I shouldn't be salty and cause trouble on here. If it was on the paizo forums I would've.
$endgroup$
– william porter
13 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Your GM is likely correct.
If we look at the rules for Swallow Whole, they state:
If a creature with this special attack begins its turn with an opponent grappled in its mouth (see Grab), it can attempt a new combat maneuver check (as though attempting to pin the opponent). If it succeeds, it swallows its prey, and the opponent takes bite damage. Unless otherwise noted, the opponent can be up to one size category Smaller than the swallowing creature. Being swallowed causes a creature to take damage each round. The amount and type of damage varies and is given in the creature’s statistics. A swallowed creature keeps the grappled condition, while the creature that did the swallowing does not. A swallowed creature can try to cut its way free with any light slashing or piercing weapon (the amount of cutting damage required to get free is equal to 1/10 the creature’s total hit points), or it can just try to escape the grapple. The Armor Class of the interior of a creature that swallows whole is normally 10 + 1/2 its natural armor bonus, with no modifiers for size or Dexterity. If a swallowed creature cuts its way out, the swallowing creature cannot use swallow whole again until the damage is healed. If the swallowed creature escapes the grapple, success puts it back in the attacker’s mouth, where it may be bitten or swallowed again.
Nowhere in there does it state you are treated like a held item, therefore you would not be polymorphed with it. Likewise, a familiar in a Familiar Satchel would not be merged with you if you polymorphed, as it is not an object.
Now if we look at Baleful Polymorph, it says:
... If the spell succeeds, the subject must also make a Will save. If this second save fails, the creature loses its extraordinary, supernatural, and spell-like abilities, loses its ability to cast spells (if it had the ability), and gains the alignment, special abilities, and Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores of its new form in place of its own. ...
Assuming the creature failed the second save, it would have lost the Swallow Whole ability, this would mean that you are no longer able to be swallowed by it. Thus you would be disgorged from its body.
answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
3,317729
$endgroup$
Your GM is likely correct.
If we look at the rules for Swallow Whole, they state:
If a creature with this special attack begins its turn with an opponent grappled in its mouth (see Grab), it can attempt a new combat maneuver check (as though attempting to pin the opponent). If it succeeds, it swallows its prey, and the opponent takes bite damage. Unless otherwise noted, the opponent can be up to one size category Smaller than the swallowing creature. Being swallowed causes a creature to take damage each round. The amount and type of damage varies and is given in the creature’s statistics. A swallowed creature keeps the grappled condition, while the creature that did the swallowing does not. A swallowed creature can try to cut its way free with any light slashing or piercing weapon (the amount of cutting damage required to get free is equal to 1/10 the creature’s total hit points), or it can just try to escape the grapple. The Armor Class of the interior of a creature that swallows whole is normally 10 + 1/2 its natural armor bonus, with no modifiers for size or Dexterity. If a swallowed creature cuts its way out, the swallowing creature cannot use swallow whole again until the damage is healed. If the swallowed creature escapes the grapple, success puts it back in the attacker’s mouth, where it may be bitten or swallowed again.
Nowhere in there does it state you are treated like a held item, therefore you would not be polymorphed with it. Likewise, a familiar in a Familiar Satchel would not be merged with you if you polymorphed, as it is not an object.
Now if we look at Baleful Polymorph, it says:
... If the spell succeeds, the subject must also make a Will save. If this second save fails, the creature loses its extraordinary, supernatural, and spell-like abilities, loses its ability to cast spells (if it had the ability), and gains the alignment, special abilities, and Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores of its new form in place of its own. ...
Assuming the creature failed the second save, it would have lost the Swallow Whole ability, this would mean that you are no longer able to be swallowed by it. Thus you would be disgorged from its body.
answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
3,317729
answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
3,317729
answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
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answered 6 hours ago
william porterwilliam porter
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In fact, one might say your GM is right regardless of anyone else’s rule analysis, because that’s what he ruled at the table for your game.
$endgroup$
– mxyzplk
3 hours ago
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@mxyzplk Yes, rule zero can always apply, but my groups try to side with reason or where the rules are.
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
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@william You raised some good points about why I should not have melded, thanks
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@mxyzplk that was my first instinct for a reply, but I figured I shouldn't be salty and cause trouble on here. If it was on the paizo forums I would've.
$endgroup$
– william porter
13 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In fact, one might say your GM is right regardless of anyone else’s rule analysis, because that’s what he ruled at the table for your game.
$endgroup$
– mxyzplk
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@mxyzplk Yes, rule zero can always apply, but my groups try to side with reason or where the rules are.
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@william You raised some good points about why I should not have melded, thanks
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@mxyzplk that was my first instinct for a reply, but I figured I shouldn't be salty and cause trouble on here. If it was on the paizo forums I would've.
$endgroup$
– william porter
13 mins ago
$begingroup$
In fact, one might say your GM is right regardless of anyone else’s rule analysis, because that’s what he ruled at the table for your game.
$endgroup$
– mxyzplk
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
In fact, one might say your GM is right regardless of anyone else’s rule analysis, because that’s what he ruled at the table for your game.
$endgroup$
– mxyzplk
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@mxyzplk Yes, rule zero can always apply, but my groups try to side with reason or where the rules are.
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@mxyzplk Yes, rule zero can always apply, but my groups try to side with reason or where the rules are.
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@william You raised some good points about why I should not have melded, thanks
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@william You raised some good points about why I should not have melded, thanks
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@mxyzplk that was my first instinct for a reply, but I figured I shouldn't be salty and cause trouble on here. If it was on the paizo forums I would've.
$endgroup$
– william porter
13 mins ago
$begingroup$
@mxyzplk that was my first instinct for a reply, but I figured I shouldn't be salty and cause trouble on here. If it was on the paizo forums I would've.
$endgroup$
– william porter
13 mins ago
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Do you mean a small
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– Jasen
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@Jasen No, um, its a special sub-species that only exists for this question, lol
$endgroup$
– Fering
1 hour ago