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Why aren't (poly-)cotton tents more popular?
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Tents with (the outer tent) made of cotton or "technical cotton" (cotton blends) are heavier, more expensive, and take some more time to dry but they also have benefits (see below). Sure the weight is an argument against for backpacking but in other travel scenarios the benefits are more relevant.
Nevertheless my impression is a decline in selection of cotton tents. What's the reason for cotton tents not being more popular? Several people I spoke with mentioned a fear that cotton tends to leak but experiences of people that actually use cotton tents tell the contrary, so may it just be bad marketing?
P.S.: Asserted benefits of (poly-)cotton tents include
- better climate because the material breathes
- better sound insulator, less noise in wind and rain
- better resistance to UV light and heat, resulting in
- likely easier to repair
tents cotton
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Tents with (the outer tent) made of cotton or "technical cotton" (cotton blends) are heavier, more expensive, and take some more time to dry but they also have benefits (see below). Sure the weight is an argument against for backpacking but in other travel scenarios the benefits are more relevant.
Nevertheless my impression is a decline in selection of cotton tents. What's the reason for cotton tents not being more popular? Several people I spoke with mentioned a fear that cotton tends to leak but experiences of people that actually use cotton tents tell the contrary, so may it just be bad marketing?
P.S.: Asserted benefits of (poly-)cotton tents include
- better climate because the material breathes
- better sound insulator, less noise in wind and rain
- better resistance to UV light and heat, resulting in
- likely easier to repair
tents cotton
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Can you provide sources for "more durable"? And what would be "etc." for the benefits?
– Jasper
13 hours ago
1
Cotton tents do leak – when you touch the inside. You don't usually touch the inside of the flysheet (outer tent) but it is possible if a careless person presses the inner tent out towards it.
– Weather Vane
13 hours ago
2
I remember cotton tents from my childhood. There is no way I would use one ever for anything except perhaps the long-term fixed base camp concept.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
@JonCuster I find them fine for large tents that you have up for a substantial period, like a scouts camp, they were perfect for that. I remember we went sometimes inside on hot days - my small modern tent, I don't want to be inside when the sun hits it...
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
@FrankHopkins - true, but I also remember how they smelled, particularly after they got wet...
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
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Tents with (the outer tent) made of cotton or "technical cotton" (cotton blends) are heavier, more expensive, and take some more time to dry but they also have benefits (see below). Sure the weight is an argument against for backpacking but in other travel scenarios the benefits are more relevant.
Nevertheless my impression is a decline in selection of cotton tents. What's the reason for cotton tents not being more popular? Several people I spoke with mentioned a fear that cotton tends to leak but experiences of people that actually use cotton tents tell the contrary, so may it just be bad marketing?
P.S.: Asserted benefits of (poly-)cotton tents include
- better climate because the material breathes
- better sound insulator, less noise in wind and rain
- better resistance to UV light and heat, resulting in
- likely easier to repair
tents cotton
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Tents with (the outer tent) made of cotton or "technical cotton" (cotton blends) are heavier, more expensive, and take some more time to dry but they also have benefits (see below). Sure the weight is an argument against for backpacking but in other travel scenarios the benefits are more relevant.
Nevertheless my impression is a decline in selection of cotton tents. What's the reason for cotton tents not being more popular? Several people I spoke with mentioned a fear that cotton tends to leak but experiences of people that actually use cotton tents tell the contrary, so may it just be bad marketing?
P.S.: Asserted benefits of (poly-)cotton tents include
- better climate because the material breathes
- better sound insulator, less noise in wind and rain
- better resistance to UV light and heat, resulting in
- likely easier to repair
tents cotton
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Can you provide sources for "more durable"? And what would be "etc." for the benefits?
– Jasper
13 hours ago
1
Cotton tents do leak – when you touch the inside. You don't usually touch the inside of the flysheet (outer tent) but it is possible if a careless person presses the inner tent out towards it.
– Weather Vane
13 hours ago
2
I remember cotton tents from my childhood. There is no way I would use one ever for anything except perhaps the long-term fixed base camp concept.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
@JonCuster I find them fine for large tents that you have up for a substantial period, like a scouts camp, they were perfect for that. I remember we went sometimes inside on hot days - my small modern tent, I don't want to be inside when the sun hits it...
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
@FrankHopkins - true, but I also remember how they smelled, particularly after they got wet...
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
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Can you provide sources for "more durable"? And what would be "etc." for the benefits?
– Jasper
13 hours ago
1
Cotton tents do leak – when you touch the inside. You don't usually touch the inside of the flysheet (outer tent) but it is possible if a careless person presses the inner tent out towards it.
– Weather Vane
13 hours ago
2
I remember cotton tents from my childhood. There is no way I would use one ever for anything except perhaps the long-term fixed base camp concept.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
@JonCuster I find them fine for large tents that you have up for a substantial period, like a scouts camp, they were perfect for that. I remember we went sometimes inside on hot days - my small modern tent, I don't want to be inside when the sun hits it...
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
@FrankHopkins - true, but I also remember how they smelled, particularly after they got wet...
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
5
5
Can you provide sources for "more durable"? And what would be "etc." for the benefits?
– Jasper
13 hours ago
Can you provide sources for "more durable"? And what would be "etc." for the benefits?
– Jasper
13 hours ago
1
1
Cotton tents do leak – when you touch the inside. You don't usually touch the inside of the flysheet (outer tent) but it is possible if a careless person presses the inner tent out towards it.
– Weather Vane
13 hours ago
Cotton tents do leak – when you touch the inside. You don't usually touch the inside of the flysheet (outer tent) but it is possible if a careless person presses the inner tent out towards it.
– Weather Vane
13 hours ago
2
2
I remember cotton tents from my childhood. There is no way I would use one ever for anything except perhaps the long-term fixed base camp concept.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
I remember cotton tents from my childhood. There is no way I would use one ever for anything except perhaps the long-term fixed base camp concept.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
1
@JonCuster I find them fine for large tents that you have up for a substantial period, like a scouts camp, they were perfect for that. I remember we went sometimes inside on hot days - my small modern tent, I don't want to be inside when the sun hits it...
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
@JonCuster I find them fine for large tents that you have up for a substantial period, like a scouts camp, they were perfect for that. I remember we went sometimes inside on hot days - my small modern tent, I don't want to be inside when the sun hits it...
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
@FrankHopkins - true, but I also remember how they smelled, particularly after they got wet...
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
@FrankHopkins - true, but I also remember how they smelled, particularly after they got wet...
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
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I grew up car-camping in a frame tent (slept 4 in about 1/4 of the floor area). Those things are heavy. Seriously heavy. Lifting the fabric onto the central pole with that half-extended was hard work for someone strong. The poles had to be pretty robust too, as the pitching process involved one or two poles taking most of the weight at various times. The whole thing took well over an hour to put up.
Some of the downsides of such designs could be solved with more modern constructions, but trying to lift that canvas by pushing on dome tent poles would get nowhere and/or snap the poles.
The bulk and weight made storage difficult. The fabric and pole set each weighed more than an entire similar sized nylon flexible-pole tent. At least here in the UK tents are often stored in lofts (attics) and getting a frame tent up a ladder was hard work if it even fitted through the hatch.
Even packing a car was harder due to the bulk. And they're too heavy for roof boxes.
If you did ever get home with a wet tent, that's a lot of fabric to get dry - and you have to get it dry thoroughly and quickly to avoid mould.
For scouts use, the needs are different. You need robust and large, but they're normally stored somewhere easily accessible, and you have a team of people to erect them (the ones I used were put up rather like raising a barn, in that several people pulled one end up, rather than ever having to lift the fabric high.
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Scouts also tend to make use of the fact that a cotton tent is much better compatible with a fire inside.
– cbeleites
10 hours ago
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I think your question spells out pretty well why people prefer other materials (cost,weight) and they really aren't used for backpacking where weight matters.
The times I have ever seen them in use it was an outfitters camp where the tents are setup for an extended period of time and they had had mules/horses to pack the tent in. The other use case is car camping where the weight is less of an issue.
Beyond that there really isn't a use case for them.
Oh nice, I did not know about mule camping! The scouts also use cotton tents for large groups, so why isn't cotton the norm at family campgrounds where people come by car?
– Jakob
14 hours ago
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@Jakob because you spend mostly the night in it, so you don't care that much about climate. You are not that many people as a scouts team mostly, so the drawback of heavy lifting weights strong and you want to travel light, so you buy light, i.e. less space in your trunk taken away and quicker build up times.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
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I grew up car-camping in a frame tent (slept 4 in about 1/4 of the floor area). Those things are heavy. Seriously heavy. Lifting the fabric onto the central pole with that half-extended was hard work for someone strong. The poles had to be pretty robust too, as the pitching process involved one or two poles taking most of the weight at various times. The whole thing took well over an hour to put up.
Some of the downsides of such designs could be solved with more modern constructions, but trying to lift that canvas by pushing on dome tent poles would get nowhere and/or snap the poles.
The bulk and weight made storage difficult. The fabric and pole set each weighed more than an entire similar sized nylon flexible-pole tent. At least here in the UK tents are often stored in lofts (attics) and getting a frame tent up a ladder was hard work if it even fitted through the hatch.
Even packing a car was harder due to the bulk. And they're too heavy for roof boxes.
If you did ever get home with a wet tent, that's a lot of fabric to get dry - and you have to get it dry thoroughly and quickly to avoid mould.
For scouts use, the needs are different. You need robust and large, but they're normally stored somewhere easily accessible, and you have a team of people to erect them (the ones I used were put up rather like raising a barn, in that several people pulled one end up, rather than ever having to lift the fabric high.
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Scouts also tend to make use of the fact that a cotton tent is much better compatible with a fire inside.
– cbeleites
10 hours ago
add a comment |
I grew up car-camping in a frame tent (slept 4 in about 1/4 of the floor area). Those things are heavy. Seriously heavy. Lifting the fabric onto the central pole with that half-extended was hard work for someone strong. The poles had to be pretty robust too, as the pitching process involved one or two poles taking most of the weight at various times. The whole thing took well over an hour to put up.
Some of the downsides of such designs could be solved with more modern constructions, but trying to lift that canvas by pushing on dome tent poles would get nowhere and/or snap the poles.
The bulk and weight made storage difficult. The fabric and pole set each weighed more than an entire similar sized nylon flexible-pole tent. At least here in the UK tents are often stored in lofts (attics) and getting a frame tent up a ladder was hard work if it even fitted through the hatch.
Even packing a car was harder due to the bulk. And they're too heavy for roof boxes.
If you did ever get home with a wet tent, that's a lot of fabric to get dry - and you have to get it dry thoroughly and quickly to avoid mould.
For scouts use, the needs are different. You need robust and large, but they're normally stored somewhere easily accessible, and you have a team of people to erect them (the ones I used were put up rather like raising a barn, in that several people pulled one end up, rather than ever having to lift the fabric high.
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Scouts also tend to make use of the fact that a cotton tent is much better compatible with a fire inside.
– cbeleites
10 hours ago
add a comment |
I grew up car-camping in a frame tent (slept 4 in about 1/4 of the floor area). Those things are heavy. Seriously heavy. Lifting the fabric onto the central pole with that half-extended was hard work for someone strong. The poles had to be pretty robust too, as the pitching process involved one or two poles taking most of the weight at various times. The whole thing took well over an hour to put up.
Some of the downsides of such designs could be solved with more modern constructions, but trying to lift that canvas by pushing on dome tent poles would get nowhere and/or snap the poles.
The bulk and weight made storage difficult. The fabric and pole set each weighed more than an entire similar sized nylon flexible-pole tent. At least here in the UK tents are often stored in lofts (attics) and getting a frame tent up a ladder was hard work if it even fitted through the hatch.
Even packing a car was harder due to the bulk. And they're too heavy for roof boxes.
If you did ever get home with a wet tent, that's a lot of fabric to get dry - and you have to get it dry thoroughly and quickly to avoid mould.
For scouts use, the needs are different. You need robust and large, but they're normally stored somewhere easily accessible, and you have a team of people to erect them (the ones I used were put up rather like raising a barn, in that several people pulled one end up, rather than ever having to lift the fabric high.
I grew up car-camping in a frame tent (slept 4 in about 1/4 of the floor area). Those things are heavy. Seriously heavy. Lifting the fabric onto the central pole with that half-extended was hard work for someone strong. The poles had to be pretty robust too, as the pitching process involved one or two poles taking most of the weight at various times. The whole thing took well over an hour to put up.
Some of the downsides of such designs could be solved with more modern constructions, but trying to lift that canvas by pushing on dome tent poles would get nowhere and/or snap the poles.
The bulk and weight made storage difficult. The fabric and pole set each weighed more than an entire similar sized nylon flexible-pole tent. At least here in the UK tents are often stored in lofts (attics) and getting a frame tent up a ladder was hard work if it even fitted through the hatch.
Even packing a car was harder due to the bulk. And they're too heavy for roof boxes.
If you did ever get home with a wet tent, that's a lot of fabric to get dry - and you have to get it dry thoroughly and quickly to avoid mould.
For scouts use, the needs are different. You need robust and large, but they're normally stored somewhere easily accessible, and you have a team of people to erect them (the ones I used were put up rather like raising a barn, in that several people pulled one end up, rather than ever having to lift the fabric high.
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Scouts also tend to make use of the fact that a cotton tent is much better compatible with a fire inside.
– cbeleites
10 hours ago
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Scouts also tend to make use of the fact that a cotton tent is much better compatible with a fire inside.
– cbeleites
10 hours ago
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Scouts also tend to make use of the fact that a cotton tent is much better compatible with a fire inside.
– cbeleites
10 hours ago
Scouts also tend to make use of the fact that a cotton tent is much better compatible with a fire inside.
– cbeleites
10 hours ago
add a comment |
I think your question spells out pretty well why people prefer other materials (cost,weight) and they really aren't used for backpacking where weight matters.
The times I have ever seen them in use it was an outfitters camp where the tents are setup for an extended period of time and they had had mules/horses to pack the tent in. The other use case is car camping where the weight is less of an issue.
Beyond that there really isn't a use case for them.
Oh nice, I did not know about mule camping! The scouts also use cotton tents for large groups, so why isn't cotton the norm at family campgrounds where people come by car?
– Jakob
14 hours ago
1
@Jakob because you spend mostly the night in it, so you don't care that much about climate. You are not that many people as a scouts team mostly, so the drawback of heavy lifting weights strong and you want to travel light, so you buy light, i.e. less space in your trunk taken away and quicker build up times.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I think your question spells out pretty well why people prefer other materials (cost,weight) and they really aren't used for backpacking where weight matters.
The times I have ever seen them in use it was an outfitters camp where the tents are setup for an extended period of time and they had had mules/horses to pack the tent in. The other use case is car camping where the weight is less of an issue.
Beyond that there really isn't a use case for them.
Oh nice, I did not know about mule camping! The scouts also use cotton tents for large groups, so why isn't cotton the norm at family campgrounds where people come by car?
– Jakob
14 hours ago
1
@Jakob because you spend mostly the night in it, so you don't care that much about climate. You are not that many people as a scouts team mostly, so the drawback of heavy lifting weights strong and you want to travel light, so you buy light, i.e. less space in your trunk taken away and quicker build up times.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I think your question spells out pretty well why people prefer other materials (cost,weight) and they really aren't used for backpacking where weight matters.
The times I have ever seen them in use it was an outfitters camp where the tents are setup for an extended period of time and they had had mules/horses to pack the tent in. The other use case is car camping where the weight is less of an issue.
Beyond that there really isn't a use case for them.
I think your question spells out pretty well why people prefer other materials (cost,weight) and they really aren't used for backpacking where weight matters.
The times I have ever seen them in use it was an outfitters camp where the tents are setup for an extended period of time and they had had mules/horses to pack the tent in. The other use case is car camping where the weight is less of an issue.
Beyond that there really isn't a use case for them.
answered 15 hours ago
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Oh nice, I did not know about mule camping! The scouts also use cotton tents for large groups, so why isn't cotton the norm at family campgrounds where people come by car?
– Jakob
14 hours ago
1
@Jakob because you spend mostly the night in it, so you don't care that much about climate. You are not that many people as a scouts team mostly, so the drawback of heavy lifting weights strong and you want to travel light, so you buy light, i.e. less space in your trunk taken away and quicker build up times.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Oh nice, I did not know about mule camping! The scouts also use cotton tents for large groups, so why isn't cotton the norm at family campgrounds where people come by car?
– Jakob
14 hours ago
1
@Jakob because you spend mostly the night in it, so you don't care that much about climate. You are not that many people as a scouts team mostly, so the drawback of heavy lifting weights strong and you want to travel light, so you buy light, i.e. less space in your trunk taken away and quicker build up times.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
Oh nice, I did not know about mule camping! The scouts also use cotton tents for large groups, so why isn't cotton the norm at family campgrounds where people come by car?
– Jakob
14 hours ago
Oh nice, I did not know about mule camping! The scouts also use cotton tents for large groups, so why isn't cotton the norm at family campgrounds where people come by car?
– Jakob
14 hours ago
1
1
@Jakob because you spend mostly the night in it, so you don't care that much about climate. You are not that many people as a scouts team mostly, so the drawback of heavy lifting weights strong and you want to travel light, so you buy light, i.e. less space in your trunk taken away and quicker build up times.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
@Jakob because you spend mostly the night in it, so you don't care that much about climate. You are not that many people as a scouts team mostly, so the drawback of heavy lifting weights strong and you want to travel light, so you buy light, i.e. less space in your trunk taken away and quicker build up times.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
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Can you provide sources for "more durable"? And what would be "etc." for the benefits?
– Jasper
13 hours ago
1
Cotton tents do leak – when you touch the inside. You don't usually touch the inside of the flysheet (outer tent) but it is possible if a careless person presses the inner tent out towards it.
– Weather Vane
13 hours ago
2
I remember cotton tents from my childhood. There is no way I would use one ever for anything except perhaps the long-term fixed base camp concept.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
@JonCuster I find them fine for large tents that you have up for a substantial period, like a scouts camp, they were perfect for that. I remember we went sometimes inside on hot days - my small modern tent, I don't want to be inside when the sun hits it...
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
@FrankHopkins - true, but I also remember how they smelled, particularly after they got wet...
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago