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In the movie (First Man) we see that there was problems with some button, when Buzz said "We should tell them about that". Also there was an alarm, that they turned off then.
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I guess we're overdue for a canonical answer about the 1202.
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@Russel Borogove not only 1202, but also about some black button (during moon landing).
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@RS I don't see Aldrin saying that in the voice transcripts here hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html . Do you have any more information about that part of your question?
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@Organic Marble youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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@RS I'm not much on watching videos.
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In the movie (First Man) we see that there was problems with some button, when Buzz said "We should tell them about that". Also there was an alarm, that they turned off then.
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In the movie (First Man) we see that there was problems with some button, when Buzz said "We should tell them about that". Also there was an alarm, that they turned off then.
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I guess we're overdue for a canonical answer about the 1202.
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@Russel Borogove not only 1202, but also about some black button (during moon landing).
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@RS I don't see Aldrin saying that in the voice transcripts here hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html . Do you have any more information about that part of your question?
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@Organic Marble youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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@RS I'm not much on watching videos.
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I guess we're overdue for a canonical answer about the 1202.
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@Russel Borogove not only 1202, but also about some black button (during moon landing).
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@RS I don't see Aldrin saying that in the voice transcripts here hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html . Do you have any more information about that part of your question?
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@Organic Marble youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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@RS I'm not much on watching videos.
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I guess we're overdue for a canonical answer about the 1202.
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I guess we're overdue for a canonical answer about the 1202.
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@Russel Borogove not only 1202, but also about some black button (during moon landing).
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@Russel Borogove not only 1202, but also about some black button (during moon landing).
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@RS I don't see Aldrin saying that in the voice transcripts here hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html . Do you have any more information about that part of your question?
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@RS I don't see Aldrin saying that in the voice transcripts here hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html . Do you have any more information about that part of your question?
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These were the "1202" and "1201" program alarms, which were warning signals that the lunar module's computer was becoming overloaded.
During Apollo 11's descent to the moon, the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on in the "SLEW" mode, so it would be ready if they had to abort the landing.
This meant that the guidance computer was processing the data from the rendezvous radar at the same time as it was trying to run the landing guidance program. This nearly overloaded the computer's processing capability.
When Aldrin asked the computer to compute and display a certain figure called delta-H, this was just enough additional processing load to put the computer over the edge; it began dropping low-priority tasks like updating the display, but the software was designed to keep the high-priority tasks, like steering the lander, running. When it dropped the low-priority task it would activate the master alarm and display an error code, 1202. Aldrin and Armstrong weren't familiar with this code, so asked mission control for an explanation:
102:38:30 Armstrong: (To Houston) It's a 1202.
102:38:32 Aldrin: 1202. (Pause)
102:38:42 Armstrong (onboard): (To Buzz) What is it? Let's incorporate (the landing radar data). (To Houston) Give us a reading on the 1202 Program Alarm.
Fortunately, just days before Apollo 11 launched, the team working on the computer assembled a list of all the possible program alarms, and steps to be taken if they occurred. The notes for 1202 said that if it happened intermittently there was no need to abort. The controllers consulted the list, gave the go to CAPCOM Charlie Duke, who relayed it to Eagle:
102:38:53 Duke: Roger. We got you...(With some urgency in his voice) We're Go on that alarm.
A short while later, the alarm fired again. Aldrin made the connection that the alarm occurred when he was trying to monitor delta-H; mission control told the crew they could monitor delta-H from the ground.
A little later on, the computer started giving 1201 alarms, a very slightly different symptom of the same basic issue, and again they got the go:
102:42:19 Aldrin: Program Alarm. (Pause) 1201
102:42:24 Armstrong: 1201. (Pause) (onboard) Okay, 2000 at 50.
102:42:25 Duke: Roger. 1201 alarm. (Pause) We're Go. Same type. We're Go.
The alarms were very distracting, forcing Armstrong to direct his attention inside the cockpit right as he needed to be focused on finding a good landing site, which may have contributed to the long descent time and high fuel usage of the landing.
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Note that "the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on" was per the checklist. And it was not that it was "on", it was that the mode was in AUTO or SLEW. "Sunburst and Luminary", Eyles, p. 167 The reboots also blanked the DSKY display.
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What happened:
With just seven and a half minutes remaining before they were set to touch down on the moon, Armstrong and Aldrin reported a program alarm. "It's a 1202."
The 1202 alarm indicated that the guidance computer was being overloaded with tasks. It was having trouble completing its work in the cycling time available.
"We looked down at the list at that alarm, and, yes, right, if it doesn't reoccur too often, we're fine," reported Garman.
Give us a reading on the 1202 program alarm," Armstrong radioed, with a bit more urgency in his voice.
"We're go on that, Flight," Bales advised Kranz. Before the flight director could respond, capcom Charlie Duke relayed the news to the crew, "We're 'Go' on that alarm."
The alarms were not over, though. Less than minute later, there was another 1202 alarm, followed by three more — a 1201 and two 1202 alarms — in under 40 seconds.
"When it occurred again [it was] a different alarm but it was the same type," Garman recounted. "I remember distinctly yelling — by this time yelling, you know, in the loop here — "Same type!" and [Bale] yells "Same type!" I could hear my voice echoing. Then [Duke] says, "Same type!"
The cause:
So what was happening during Apollo 11, as I recall, was that repeated jobs to process rendezvous radar data (that of course were not really there) were scheduled because a misconfiguration of the radar switches. Thus, the core sets got filled up and a 1202 alarm was generated. The 1201 that came later in the landing was because the scheduling request that caused the actual overflow was one that had requested a VAC area.
What happened next in either case was what you described as, 'The computer has been programmed to recognize this data as being of secondary importance and will ignore it while it does more important computations.'
On Apollo 11, each time a 1201 or 1202 alarm appeared, the computer rebooted, restarted the important stuff, like steering the descent engine and running the DSKY to let the crew know what was going on, but did not restart all the erroneously-scheduled rendezvous radar jobs.
Root cause:
So what happened? Crossed wires. During the design of the guidance computer at MIT’s Instrumentation laboratory, Buzz Aldrin wanted the computer to be able to simultaneously handle radar data from the lunar surface and the Apollo Command and Service Modules in lunar orbit, just in case Apollo 11 needed to abort the landing and rendezvous with the CSM. Despite discussions, the added capability was never built into the system, to Aldrin’s surprise on July 20th. (Simulations had never fully tested the feature and failed to reveal its absence.)
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I just read Sunburst and Luminary by the guy who programmed this. His chapter on it is, I think, the definitive write-up, but this is a decent summary. Your last sentence is maybe misleading, though - the problem was found on the ground independently twice before the flight. I'll write a supplemental answer on that.
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I think a few details around that go as follows: During training and simulation, the LM rendezvous radar was switched off because it wasn't needed. However, during the Apollo 11 lunar descent, the radar was switched on because the crew thought it to be a wise precaution in case of an abort - a deviation from checklisted and practiced procedures.
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@AnthonyX according to Eyles (LEM guidance programmer) the crew was following the checklist.
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@OrganicMarble I'll have to see if I can find my source... maybe wasn't a reliable one.
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It's a common misconception - the Eyles book lists the common misconceptions and goes through each one.
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Supplementary answer (these answers cover it well, but there are a few other things of interest):
For anyone interested in the details of this issue, the book Sunburst and Luminary by Don Eyles has, I think the definite treatment. Eyles was the LEM guidance software programmer!
Eyles explains that the problem was actually found on the ground twice, independently.
The first time was by Grumman running tests at Bethpage on LM-3 in May 1968.
The report correctly diagnosed the problem but then, instead of
proposing a fix, dismissed the issue with the breathtaking
rationalization that the rendezvous radar switch would only ever be in
SLEW or AUTO if the PGNCS had failed - oblivious to the fact that this
unguarded switch had the potential to cause the PGNCS to fail, as it
almost did on Apollo 11.
(S&L, page 168)
The second time was by George Silver, an MIT employee stationed at KSC.
George Silver identified the rendezvous radar interface problem at
Cape Canaveral a month or two after Grumman discovered it in Bethpage.
He wrote up the problem....and devised a solution that required a
small hardware change.....We can only fault Silver for not making a
bigger stink. He might not have gained approval for his fix, but a
larger group would have known about the problem....
(S&L, page 169)
The crew had the radar configured per the checklist, but the checklist had been updated very shortly before flight and therefore had not been exercised very much in training.
The baseline circa 1965 was to have RR on, mode in LGC, and tracking
the CSM during the descent. At some point...the plan became RR off,
mode in LGC...in June 1969...the plan became RR on with mode in AUTO
or SLEW.
(S&L, page 167)
Explanation of the radar mode switch:
The mode switch had three positions: LGC, AUTO, and SLEW.
- LGC (LEM Guidance Computer) - the antenna angle resolvers used as their reference signal an
800-Hz signal from the PGNCS and therefore the data made sense to
the guidance computer - SLEW - Manual slew mode. The 800-Hz reference signal came from LEM
hardware - AUTO TRACK - Antenna tracks an acquired target. The 800-Hz reference
signal came from LEM
hardware
If the switch was not in LGC and the radar was on, the LGC could have problems processing the data depending on the phase relationship between the two 800 Hz signals, and this relationship was completely random, determined by when the LGC was powered on. The hardware fix proposed by Silver would have synchronized the two signals, eliminating the problem.
(Condensed from S&L pages 159-160)
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Addressing the "problems with some button" part of the question. Following is a quotation from a news source.
“It's generally been reported that when Armstrong returned the lunar module after the moon walk, his backpack broke a circuit breaker switch," said the source, an employee of North American Aviation who is one of the last to see Apollo astronauts before they are locked in their spacecraft.
“When that happened, it knocked out the normal ascent sequence firing
program.”
Fortunately, Aldrin used a pen on the broken part of the switch to get
it to work.
“But if he hadn't been able to, that would have thrown the whole ball
of wax over to the abort guidance sequence," the story continued.
“And unless he could have activated it, there is no back-up for it– they would have had real problems. The only hope would have been the 16 little jets on the reaction control system. And I doubt if that could have taken them back to the command module.”
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I didn't get about "ball of wax", could you explain?
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@RS "the whole ball of wax" is an American colloquial expression meaning "everything" - emphatically. grammarist.com/idiom/whole-ball-of-wax
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@Fred I mean this button (before the walk): youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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These were the "1202" and "1201" program alarms, which were warning signals that the lunar module's computer was becoming overloaded.
During Apollo 11's descent to the moon, the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on in the "SLEW" mode, so it would be ready if they had to abort the landing.
This meant that the guidance computer was processing the data from the rendezvous radar at the same time as it was trying to run the landing guidance program. This nearly overloaded the computer's processing capability.
When Aldrin asked the computer to compute and display a certain figure called delta-H, this was just enough additional processing load to put the computer over the edge; it began dropping low-priority tasks like updating the display, but the software was designed to keep the high-priority tasks, like steering the lander, running. When it dropped the low-priority task it would activate the master alarm and display an error code, 1202. Aldrin and Armstrong weren't familiar with this code, so asked mission control for an explanation:
102:38:30 Armstrong: (To Houston) It's a 1202.
102:38:32 Aldrin: 1202. (Pause)
102:38:42 Armstrong (onboard): (To Buzz) What is it? Let's incorporate (the landing radar data). (To Houston) Give us a reading on the 1202 Program Alarm.
Fortunately, just days before Apollo 11 launched, the team working on the computer assembled a list of all the possible program alarms, and steps to be taken if they occurred. The notes for 1202 said that if it happened intermittently there was no need to abort. The controllers consulted the list, gave the go to CAPCOM Charlie Duke, who relayed it to Eagle:
102:38:53 Duke: Roger. We got you...(With some urgency in his voice) We're Go on that alarm.
A short while later, the alarm fired again. Aldrin made the connection that the alarm occurred when he was trying to monitor delta-H; mission control told the crew they could monitor delta-H from the ground.
A little later on, the computer started giving 1201 alarms, a very slightly different symptom of the same basic issue, and again they got the go:
102:42:19 Aldrin: Program Alarm. (Pause) 1201
102:42:24 Armstrong: 1201. (Pause) (onboard) Okay, 2000 at 50.
102:42:25 Duke: Roger. 1201 alarm. (Pause) We're Go. Same type. We're Go.
The alarms were very distracting, forcing Armstrong to direct his attention inside the cockpit right as he needed to be focused on finding a good landing site, which may have contributed to the long descent time and high fuel usage of the landing.
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Note that "the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on" was per the checklist. And it was not that it was "on", it was that the mode was in AUTO or SLEW. "Sunburst and Luminary", Eyles, p. 167 The reboots also blanked the DSKY display.
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These were the "1202" and "1201" program alarms, which were warning signals that the lunar module's computer was becoming overloaded.
During Apollo 11's descent to the moon, the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on in the "SLEW" mode, so it would be ready if they had to abort the landing.
This meant that the guidance computer was processing the data from the rendezvous radar at the same time as it was trying to run the landing guidance program. This nearly overloaded the computer's processing capability.
When Aldrin asked the computer to compute and display a certain figure called delta-H, this was just enough additional processing load to put the computer over the edge; it began dropping low-priority tasks like updating the display, but the software was designed to keep the high-priority tasks, like steering the lander, running. When it dropped the low-priority task it would activate the master alarm and display an error code, 1202. Aldrin and Armstrong weren't familiar with this code, so asked mission control for an explanation:
102:38:30 Armstrong: (To Houston) It's a 1202.
102:38:32 Aldrin: 1202. (Pause)
102:38:42 Armstrong (onboard): (To Buzz) What is it? Let's incorporate (the landing radar data). (To Houston) Give us a reading on the 1202 Program Alarm.
Fortunately, just days before Apollo 11 launched, the team working on the computer assembled a list of all the possible program alarms, and steps to be taken if they occurred. The notes for 1202 said that if it happened intermittently there was no need to abort. The controllers consulted the list, gave the go to CAPCOM Charlie Duke, who relayed it to Eagle:
102:38:53 Duke: Roger. We got you...(With some urgency in his voice) We're Go on that alarm.
A short while later, the alarm fired again. Aldrin made the connection that the alarm occurred when he was trying to monitor delta-H; mission control told the crew they could monitor delta-H from the ground.
A little later on, the computer started giving 1201 alarms, a very slightly different symptom of the same basic issue, and again they got the go:
102:42:19 Aldrin: Program Alarm. (Pause) 1201
102:42:24 Armstrong: 1201. (Pause) (onboard) Okay, 2000 at 50.
102:42:25 Duke: Roger. 1201 alarm. (Pause) We're Go. Same type. We're Go.
The alarms were very distracting, forcing Armstrong to direct his attention inside the cockpit right as he needed to be focused on finding a good landing site, which may have contributed to the long descent time and high fuel usage of the landing.
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Note that "the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on" was per the checklist. And it was not that it was "on", it was that the mode was in AUTO or SLEW. "Sunburst and Luminary", Eyles, p. 167 The reboots also blanked the DSKY display.
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These were the "1202" and "1201" program alarms, which were warning signals that the lunar module's computer was becoming overloaded.
During Apollo 11's descent to the moon, the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on in the "SLEW" mode, so it would be ready if they had to abort the landing.
This meant that the guidance computer was processing the data from the rendezvous radar at the same time as it was trying to run the landing guidance program. This nearly overloaded the computer's processing capability.
When Aldrin asked the computer to compute and display a certain figure called delta-H, this was just enough additional processing load to put the computer over the edge; it began dropping low-priority tasks like updating the display, but the software was designed to keep the high-priority tasks, like steering the lander, running. When it dropped the low-priority task it would activate the master alarm and display an error code, 1202. Aldrin and Armstrong weren't familiar with this code, so asked mission control for an explanation:
102:38:30 Armstrong: (To Houston) It's a 1202.
102:38:32 Aldrin: 1202. (Pause)
102:38:42 Armstrong (onboard): (To Buzz) What is it? Let's incorporate (the landing radar data). (To Houston) Give us a reading on the 1202 Program Alarm.
Fortunately, just days before Apollo 11 launched, the team working on the computer assembled a list of all the possible program alarms, and steps to be taken if they occurred. The notes for 1202 said that if it happened intermittently there was no need to abort. The controllers consulted the list, gave the go to CAPCOM Charlie Duke, who relayed it to Eagle:
102:38:53 Duke: Roger. We got you...(With some urgency in his voice) We're Go on that alarm.
A short while later, the alarm fired again. Aldrin made the connection that the alarm occurred when he was trying to monitor delta-H; mission control told the crew they could monitor delta-H from the ground.
A little later on, the computer started giving 1201 alarms, a very slightly different symptom of the same basic issue, and again they got the go:
102:42:19 Aldrin: Program Alarm. (Pause) 1201
102:42:24 Armstrong: 1201. (Pause) (onboard) Okay, 2000 at 50.
102:42:25 Duke: Roger. 1201 alarm. (Pause) We're Go. Same type. We're Go.
The alarms were very distracting, forcing Armstrong to direct his attention inside the cockpit right as he needed to be focused on finding a good landing site, which may have contributed to the long descent time and high fuel usage of the landing.
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These were the "1202" and "1201" program alarms, which were warning signals that the lunar module's computer was becoming overloaded.
During Apollo 11's descent to the moon, the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on in the "SLEW" mode, so it would be ready if they had to abort the landing.
This meant that the guidance computer was processing the data from the rendezvous radar at the same time as it was trying to run the landing guidance program. This nearly overloaded the computer's processing capability.
When Aldrin asked the computer to compute and display a certain figure called delta-H, this was just enough additional processing load to put the computer over the edge; it began dropping low-priority tasks like updating the display, but the software was designed to keep the high-priority tasks, like steering the lander, running. When it dropped the low-priority task it would activate the master alarm and display an error code, 1202. Aldrin and Armstrong weren't familiar with this code, so asked mission control for an explanation:
102:38:30 Armstrong: (To Houston) It's a 1202.
102:38:32 Aldrin: 1202. (Pause)
102:38:42 Armstrong (onboard): (To Buzz) What is it? Let's incorporate (the landing radar data). (To Houston) Give us a reading on the 1202 Program Alarm.
Fortunately, just days before Apollo 11 launched, the team working on the computer assembled a list of all the possible program alarms, and steps to be taken if they occurred. The notes for 1202 said that if it happened intermittently there was no need to abort. The controllers consulted the list, gave the go to CAPCOM Charlie Duke, who relayed it to Eagle:
102:38:53 Duke: Roger. We got you...(With some urgency in his voice) We're Go on that alarm.
A short while later, the alarm fired again. Aldrin made the connection that the alarm occurred when he was trying to monitor delta-H; mission control told the crew they could monitor delta-H from the ground.
A little later on, the computer started giving 1201 alarms, a very slightly different symptom of the same basic issue, and again they got the go:
102:42:19 Aldrin: Program Alarm. (Pause) 1201
102:42:24 Armstrong: 1201. (Pause) (onboard) Okay, 2000 at 50.
102:42:25 Duke: Roger. 1201 alarm. (Pause) We're Go. Same type. We're Go.
The alarms were very distracting, forcing Armstrong to direct his attention inside the cockpit right as he needed to be focused on finding a good landing site, which may have contributed to the long descent time and high fuel usage of the landing.
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Note that "the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on" was per the checklist. And it was not that it was "on", it was that the mode was in AUTO or SLEW. "Sunburst and Luminary", Eyles, p. 167 The reboots also blanked the DSKY display.
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Note that "the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on" was per the checklist. And it was not that it was "on", it was that the mode was in AUTO or SLEW. "Sunburst and Luminary", Eyles, p. 167 The reboots also blanked the DSKY display.
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Note that "the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on" was per the checklist. And it was not that it was "on", it was that the mode was in AUTO or SLEW. "Sunburst and Luminary", Eyles, p. 167 The reboots also blanked the DSKY display.
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– Organic Marble
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Note that "the crew left the LM's rendezvous radar, which was used to find their way back to the command module, switched on" was per the checklist. And it was not that it was "on", it was that the mode was in AUTO or SLEW. "Sunburst and Luminary", Eyles, p. 167 The reboots also blanked the DSKY display.
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What happened:
With just seven and a half minutes remaining before they were set to touch down on the moon, Armstrong and Aldrin reported a program alarm. "It's a 1202."
The 1202 alarm indicated that the guidance computer was being overloaded with tasks. It was having trouble completing its work in the cycling time available.
"We looked down at the list at that alarm, and, yes, right, if it doesn't reoccur too often, we're fine," reported Garman.
Give us a reading on the 1202 program alarm," Armstrong radioed, with a bit more urgency in his voice.
"We're go on that, Flight," Bales advised Kranz. Before the flight director could respond, capcom Charlie Duke relayed the news to the crew, "We're 'Go' on that alarm."
The alarms were not over, though. Less than minute later, there was another 1202 alarm, followed by three more — a 1201 and two 1202 alarms — in under 40 seconds.
"When it occurred again [it was] a different alarm but it was the same type," Garman recounted. "I remember distinctly yelling — by this time yelling, you know, in the loop here — "Same type!" and [Bale] yells "Same type!" I could hear my voice echoing. Then [Duke] says, "Same type!"
The cause:
So what was happening during Apollo 11, as I recall, was that repeated jobs to process rendezvous radar data (that of course were not really there) were scheduled because a misconfiguration of the radar switches. Thus, the core sets got filled up and a 1202 alarm was generated. The 1201 that came later in the landing was because the scheduling request that caused the actual overflow was one that had requested a VAC area.
What happened next in either case was what you described as, 'The computer has been programmed to recognize this data as being of secondary importance and will ignore it while it does more important computations.'
On Apollo 11, each time a 1201 or 1202 alarm appeared, the computer rebooted, restarted the important stuff, like steering the descent engine and running the DSKY to let the crew know what was going on, but did not restart all the erroneously-scheduled rendezvous radar jobs.
Root cause:
So what happened? Crossed wires. During the design of the guidance computer at MIT’s Instrumentation laboratory, Buzz Aldrin wanted the computer to be able to simultaneously handle radar data from the lunar surface and the Apollo Command and Service Modules in lunar orbit, just in case Apollo 11 needed to abort the landing and rendezvous with the CSM. Despite discussions, the added capability was never built into the system, to Aldrin’s surprise on July 20th. (Simulations had never fully tested the feature and failed to reveal its absence.)
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I just read Sunburst and Luminary by the guy who programmed this. His chapter on it is, I think, the definitive write-up, but this is a decent summary. Your last sentence is maybe misleading, though - the problem was found on the ground independently twice before the flight. I'll write a supplemental answer on that.
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I think a few details around that go as follows: During training and simulation, the LM rendezvous radar was switched off because it wasn't needed. However, during the Apollo 11 lunar descent, the radar was switched on because the crew thought it to be a wise precaution in case of an abort - a deviation from checklisted and practiced procedures.
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– Anthony X
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@AnthonyX according to Eyles (LEM guidance programmer) the crew was following the checklist.
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– Organic Marble
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@OrganicMarble I'll have to see if I can find my source... maybe wasn't a reliable one.
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– Anthony X
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It's a common misconception - the Eyles book lists the common misconceptions and goes through each one.
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– Organic Marble
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What happened:
With just seven and a half minutes remaining before they were set to touch down on the moon, Armstrong and Aldrin reported a program alarm. "It's a 1202."
The 1202 alarm indicated that the guidance computer was being overloaded with tasks. It was having trouble completing its work in the cycling time available.
"We looked down at the list at that alarm, and, yes, right, if it doesn't reoccur too often, we're fine," reported Garman.
Give us a reading on the 1202 program alarm," Armstrong radioed, with a bit more urgency in his voice.
"We're go on that, Flight," Bales advised Kranz. Before the flight director could respond, capcom Charlie Duke relayed the news to the crew, "We're 'Go' on that alarm."
The alarms were not over, though. Less than minute later, there was another 1202 alarm, followed by three more — a 1201 and two 1202 alarms — in under 40 seconds.
"When it occurred again [it was] a different alarm but it was the same type," Garman recounted. "I remember distinctly yelling — by this time yelling, you know, in the loop here — "Same type!" and [Bale] yells "Same type!" I could hear my voice echoing. Then [Duke] says, "Same type!"
The cause:
So what was happening during Apollo 11, as I recall, was that repeated jobs to process rendezvous radar data (that of course were not really there) were scheduled because a misconfiguration of the radar switches. Thus, the core sets got filled up and a 1202 alarm was generated. The 1201 that came later in the landing was because the scheduling request that caused the actual overflow was one that had requested a VAC area.
What happened next in either case was what you described as, 'The computer has been programmed to recognize this data as being of secondary importance and will ignore it while it does more important computations.'
On Apollo 11, each time a 1201 or 1202 alarm appeared, the computer rebooted, restarted the important stuff, like steering the descent engine and running the DSKY to let the crew know what was going on, but did not restart all the erroneously-scheduled rendezvous radar jobs.
Root cause:
So what happened? Crossed wires. During the design of the guidance computer at MIT’s Instrumentation laboratory, Buzz Aldrin wanted the computer to be able to simultaneously handle radar data from the lunar surface and the Apollo Command and Service Modules in lunar orbit, just in case Apollo 11 needed to abort the landing and rendezvous with the CSM. Despite discussions, the added capability was never built into the system, to Aldrin’s surprise on July 20th. (Simulations had never fully tested the feature and failed to reveal its absence.)
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I just read Sunburst and Luminary by the guy who programmed this. His chapter on it is, I think, the definitive write-up, but this is a decent summary. Your last sentence is maybe misleading, though - the problem was found on the ground independently twice before the flight. I'll write a supplemental answer on that.
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– Organic Marble
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I think a few details around that go as follows: During training and simulation, the LM rendezvous radar was switched off because it wasn't needed. However, during the Apollo 11 lunar descent, the radar was switched on because the crew thought it to be a wise precaution in case of an abort - a deviation from checklisted and practiced procedures.
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– Anthony X
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@AnthonyX according to Eyles (LEM guidance programmer) the crew was following the checklist.
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– Organic Marble
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@OrganicMarble I'll have to see if I can find my source... maybe wasn't a reliable one.
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– Anthony X
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It's a common misconception - the Eyles book lists the common misconceptions and goes through each one.
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– Organic Marble
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What happened:
With just seven and a half minutes remaining before they were set to touch down on the moon, Armstrong and Aldrin reported a program alarm. "It's a 1202."
The 1202 alarm indicated that the guidance computer was being overloaded with tasks. It was having trouble completing its work in the cycling time available.
"We looked down at the list at that alarm, and, yes, right, if it doesn't reoccur too often, we're fine," reported Garman.
Give us a reading on the 1202 program alarm," Armstrong radioed, with a bit more urgency in his voice.
"We're go on that, Flight," Bales advised Kranz. Before the flight director could respond, capcom Charlie Duke relayed the news to the crew, "We're 'Go' on that alarm."
The alarms were not over, though. Less than minute later, there was another 1202 alarm, followed by three more — a 1201 and two 1202 alarms — in under 40 seconds.
"When it occurred again [it was] a different alarm but it was the same type," Garman recounted. "I remember distinctly yelling — by this time yelling, you know, in the loop here — "Same type!" and [Bale] yells "Same type!" I could hear my voice echoing. Then [Duke] says, "Same type!"
The cause:
So what was happening during Apollo 11, as I recall, was that repeated jobs to process rendezvous radar data (that of course were not really there) were scheduled because a misconfiguration of the radar switches. Thus, the core sets got filled up and a 1202 alarm was generated. The 1201 that came later in the landing was because the scheduling request that caused the actual overflow was one that had requested a VAC area.
What happened next in either case was what you described as, 'The computer has been programmed to recognize this data as being of secondary importance and will ignore it while it does more important computations.'
On Apollo 11, each time a 1201 or 1202 alarm appeared, the computer rebooted, restarted the important stuff, like steering the descent engine and running the DSKY to let the crew know what was going on, but did not restart all the erroneously-scheduled rendezvous radar jobs.
Root cause:
So what happened? Crossed wires. During the design of the guidance computer at MIT’s Instrumentation laboratory, Buzz Aldrin wanted the computer to be able to simultaneously handle radar data from the lunar surface and the Apollo Command and Service Modules in lunar orbit, just in case Apollo 11 needed to abort the landing and rendezvous with the CSM. Despite discussions, the added capability was never built into the system, to Aldrin’s surprise on July 20th. (Simulations had never fully tested the feature and failed to reveal its absence.)
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What happened:
With just seven and a half minutes remaining before they were set to touch down on the moon, Armstrong and Aldrin reported a program alarm. "It's a 1202."
The 1202 alarm indicated that the guidance computer was being overloaded with tasks. It was having trouble completing its work in the cycling time available.
"We looked down at the list at that alarm, and, yes, right, if it doesn't reoccur too often, we're fine," reported Garman.
Give us a reading on the 1202 program alarm," Armstrong radioed, with a bit more urgency in his voice.
"We're go on that, Flight," Bales advised Kranz. Before the flight director could respond, capcom Charlie Duke relayed the news to the crew, "We're 'Go' on that alarm."
The alarms were not over, though. Less than minute later, there was another 1202 alarm, followed by three more — a 1201 and two 1202 alarms — in under 40 seconds.
"When it occurred again [it was] a different alarm but it was the same type," Garman recounted. "I remember distinctly yelling — by this time yelling, you know, in the loop here — "Same type!" and [Bale] yells "Same type!" I could hear my voice echoing. Then [Duke] says, "Same type!"
The cause:
So what was happening during Apollo 11, as I recall, was that repeated jobs to process rendezvous radar data (that of course were not really there) were scheduled because a misconfiguration of the radar switches. Thus, the core sets got filled up and a 1202 alarm was generated. The 1201 that came later in the landing was because the scheduling request that caused the actual overflow was one that had requested a VAC area.
What happened next in either case was what you described as, 'The computer has been programmed to recognize this data as being of secondary importance and will ignore it while it does more important computations.'
On Apollo 11, each time a 1201 or 1202 alarm appeared, the computer rebooted, restarted the important stuff, like steering the descent engine and running the DSKY to let the crew know what was going on, but did not restart all the erroneously-scheduled rendezvous radar jobs.
Root cause:
So what happened? Crossed wires. During the design of the guidance computer at MIT’s Instrumentation laboratory, Buzz Aldrin wanted the computer to be able to simultaneously handle radar data from the lunar surface and the Apollo Command and Service Modules in lunar orbit, just in case Apollo 11 needed to abort the landing and rendezvous with the CSM. Despite discussions, the added capability was never built into the system, to Aldrin’s surprise on July 20th. (Simulations had never fully tested the feature and failed to reveal its absence.)
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I just read Sunburst and Luminary by the guy who programmed this. His chapter on it is, I think, the definitive write-up, but this is a decent summary. Your last sentence is maybe misleading, though - the problem was found on the ground independently twice before the flight. I'll write a supplemental answer on that.
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– Organic Marble
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I think a few details around that go as follows: During training and simulation, the LM rendezvous radar was switched off because it wasn't needed. However, during the Apollo 11 lunar descent, the radar was switched on because the crew thought it to be a wise precaution in case of an abort - a deviation from checklisted and practiced procedures.
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– Anthony X
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@AnthonyX according to Eyles (LEM guidance programmer) the crew was following the checklist.
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– Organic Marble
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@OrganicMarble I'll have to see if I can find my source... maybe wasn't a reliable one.
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– Anthony X
8 hours ago
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It's a common misconception - the Eyles book lists the common misconceptions and goes through each one.
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– Organic Marble
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I just read Sunburst and Luminary by the guy who programmed this. His chapter on it is, I think, the definitive write-up, but this is a decent summary. Your last sentence is maybe misleading, though - the problem was found on the ground independently twice before the flight. I'll write a supplemental answer on that.
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– Organic Marble
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I think a few details around that go as follows: During training and simulation, the LM rendezvous radar was switched off because it wasn't needed. However, during the Apollo 11 lunar descent, the radar was switched on because the crew thought it to be a wise precaution in case of an abort - a deviation from checklisted and practiced procedures.
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– Anthony X
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@AnthonyX according to Eyles (LEM guidance programmer) the crew was following the checklist.
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– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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@OrganicMarble I'll have to see if I can find my source... maybe wasn't a reliable one.
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– Anthony X
8 hours ago
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It's a common misconception - the Eyles book lists the common misconceptions and goes through each one.
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– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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I just read Sunburst and Luminary by the guy who programmed this. His chapter on it is, I think, the definitive write-up, but this is a decent summary. Your last sentence is maybe misleading, though - the problem was found on the ground independently twice before the flight. I'll write a supplemental answer on that.
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– Organic Marble
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I just read Sunburst and Luminary by the guy who programmed this. His chapter on it is, I think, the definitive write-up, but this is a decent summary. Your last sentence is maybe misleading, though - the problem was found on the ground independently twice before the flight. I'll write a supplemental answer on that.
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– Organic Marble
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I think a few details around that go as follows: During training and simulation, the LM rendezvous radar was switched off because it wasn't needed. However, during the Apollo 11 lunar descent, the radar was switched on because the crew thought it to be a wise precaution in case of an abort - a deviation from checklisted and practiced procedures.
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– Anthony X
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I think a few details around that go as follows: During training and simulation, the LM rendezvous radar was switched off because it wasn't needed. However, during the Apollo 11 lunar descent, the radar was switched on because the crew thought it to be a wise precaution in case of an abort - a deviation from checklisted and practiced procedures.
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– Anthony X
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@AnthonyX according to Eyles (LEM guidance programmer) the crew was following the checklist.
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– Organic Marble
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@AnthonyX according to Eyles (LEM guidance programmer) the crew was following the checklist.
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– Organic Marble
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@OrganicMarble I'll have to see if I can find my source... maybe wasn't a reliable one.
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– Anthony X
8 hours ago
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@OrganicMarble I'll have to see if I can find my source... maybe wasn't a reliable one.
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– Anthony X
8 hours ago
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It's a common misconception - the Eyles book lists the common misconceptions and goes through each one.
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– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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It's a common misconception - the Eyles book lists the common misconceptions and goes through each one.
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– Organic Marble
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Supplementary answer (these answers cover it well, but there are a few other things of interest):
For anyone interested in the details of this issue, the book Sunburst and Luminary by Don Eyles has, I think the definite treatment. Eyles was the LEM guidance software programmer!
Eyles explains that the problem was actually found on the ground twice, independently.
The first time was by Grumman running tests at Bethpage on LM-3 in May 1968.
The report correctly diagnosed the problem but then, instead of
proposing a fix, dismissed the issue with the breathtaking
rationalization that the rendezvous radar switch would only ever be in
SLEW or AUTO if the PGNCS had failed - oblivious to the fact that this
unguarded switch had the potential to cause the PGNCS to fail, as it
almost did on Apollo 11.
(S&L, page 168)
The second time was by George Silver, an MIT employee stationed at KSC.
George Silver identified the rendezvous radar interface problem at
Cape Canaveral a month or two after Grumman discovered it in Bethpage.
He wrote up the problem....and devised a solution that required a
small hardware change.....We can only fault Silver for not making a
bigger stink. He might not have gained approval for his fix, but a
larger group would have known about the problem....
(S&L, page 169)
The crew had the radar configured per the checklist, but the checklist had been updated very shortly before flight and therefore had not been exercised very much in training.
The baseline circa 1965 was to have RR on, mode in LGC, and tracking
the CSM during the descent. At some point...the plan became RR off,
mode in LGC...in June 1969...the plan became RR on with mode in AUTO
or SLEW.
(S&L, page 167)
Explanation of the radar mode switch:
The mode switch had three positions: LGC, AUTO, and SLEW.
- LGC (LEM Guidance Computer) - the antenna angle resolvers used as their reference signal an
800-Hz signal from the PGNCS and therefore the data made sense to
the guidance computer - SLEW - Manual slew mode. The 800-Hz reference signal came from LEM
hardware - AUTO TRACK - Antenna tracks an acquired target. The 800-Hz reference
signal came from LEM
hardware
If the switch was not in LGC and the radar was on, the LGC could have problems processing the data depending on the phase relationship between the two 800 Hz signals, and this relationship was completely random, determined by when the LGC was powered on. The hardware fix proposed by Silver would have synchronized the two signals, eliminating the problem.
(Condensed from S&L pages 159-160)
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Supplementary answer (these answers cover it well, but there are a few other things of interest):
For anyone interested in the details of this issue, the book Sunburst and Luminary by Don Eyles has, I think the definite treatment. Eyles was the LEM guidance software programmer!
Eyles explains that the problem was actually found on the ground twice, independently.
The first time was by Grumman running tests at Bethpage on LM-3 in May 1968.
The report correctly diagnosed the problem but then, instead of
proposing a fix, dismissed the issue with the breathtaking
rationalization that the rendezvous radar switch would only ever be in
SLEW or AUTO if the PGNCS had failed - oblivious to the fact that this
unguarded switch had the potential to cause the PGNCS to fail, as it
almost did on Apollo 11.
(S&L, page 168)
The second time was by George Silver, an MIT employee stationed at KSC.
George Silver identified the rendezvous radar interface problem at
Cape Canaveral a month or two after Grumman discovered it in Bethpage.
He wrote up the problem....and devised a solution that required a
small hardware change.....We can only fault Silver for not making a
bigger stink. He might not have gained approval for his fix, but a
larger group would have known about the problem....
(S&L, page 169)
The crew had the radar configured per the checklist, but the checklist had been updated very shortly before flight and therefore had not been exercised very much in training.
The baseline circa 1965 was to have RR on, mode in LGC, and tracking
the CSM during the descent. At some point...the plan became RR off,
mode in LGC...in June 1969...the plan became RR on with mode in AUTO
or SLEW.
(S&L, page 167)
Explanation of the radar mode switch:
The mode switch had three positions: LGC, AUTO, and SLEW.
- LGC (LEM Guidance Computer) - the antenna angle resolvers used as their reference signal an
800-Hz signal from the PGNCS and therefore the data made sense to
the guidance computer - SLEW - Manual slew mode. The 800-Hz reference signal came from LEM
hardware - AUTO TRACK - Antenna tracks an acquired target. The 800-Hz reference
signal came from LEM
hardware
If the switch was not in LGC and the radar was on, the LGC could have problems processing the data depending on the phase relationship between the two 800 Hz signals, and this relationship was completely random, determined by when the LGC was powered on. The hardware fix proposed by Silver would have synchronized the two signals, eliminating the problem.
(Condensed from S&L pages 159-160)
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Supplementary answer (these answers cover it well, but there are a few other things of interest):
For anyone interested in the details of this issue, the book Sunburst and Luminary by Don Eyles has, I think the definite treatment. Eyles was the LEM guidance software programmer!
Eyles explains that the problem was actually found on the ground twice, independently.
The first time was by Grumman running tests at Bethpage on LM-3 in May 1968.
The report correctly diagnosed the problem but then, instead of
proposing a fix, dismissed the issue with the breathtaking
rationalization that the rendezvous radar switch would only ever be in
SLEW or AUTO if the PGNCS had failed - oblivious to the fact that this
unguarded switch had the potential to cause the PGNCS to fail, as it
almost did on Apollo 11.
(S&L, page 168)
The second time was by George Silver, an MIT employee stationed at KSC.
George Silver identified the rendezvous radar interface problem at
Cape Canaveral a month or two after Grumman discovered it in Bethpage.
He wrote up the problem....and devised a solution that required a
small hardware change.....We can only fault Silver for not making a
bigger stink. He might not have gained approval for his fix, but a
larger group would have known about the problem....
(S&L, page 169)
The crew had the radar configured per the checklist, but the checklist had been updated very shortly before flight and therefore had not been exercised very much in training.
The baseline circa 1965 was to have RR on, mode in LGC, and tracking
the CSM during the descent. At some point...the plan became RR off,
mode in LGC...in June 1969...the plan became RR on with mode in AUTO
or SLEW.
(S&L, page 167)
Explanation of the radar mode switch:
The mode switch had three positions: LGC, AUTO, and SLEW.
- LGC (LEM Guidance Computer) - the antenna angle resolvers used as their reference signal an
800-Hz signal from the PGNCS and therefore the data made sense to
the guidance computer - SLEW - Manual slew mode. The 800-Hz reference signal came from LEM
hardware - AUTO TRACK - Antenna tracks an acquired target. The 800-Hz reference
signal came from LEM
hardware
If the switch was not in LGC and the radar was on, the LGC could have problems processing the data depending on the phase relationship between the two 800 Hz signals, and this relationship was completely random, determined by when the LGC was powered on. The hardware fix proposed by Silver would have synchronized the two signals, eliminating the problem.
(Condensed from S&L pages 159-160)
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Supplementary answer (these answers cover it well, but there are a few other things of interest):
For anyone interested in the details of this issue, the book Sunburst and Luminary by Don Eyles has, I think the definite treatment. Eyles was the LEM guidance software programmer!
Eyles explains that the problem was actually found on the ground twice, independently.
The first time was by Grumman running tests at Bethpage on LM-3 in May 1968.
The report correctly diagnosed the problem but then, instead of
proposing a fix, dismissed the issue with the breathtaking
rationalization that the rendezvous radar switch would only ever be in
SLEW or AUTO if the PGNCS had failed - oblivious to the fact that this
unguarded switch had the potential to cause the PGNCS to fail, as it
almost did on Apollo 11.
(S&L, page 168)
The second time was by George Silver, an MIT employee stationed at KSC.
George Silver identified the rendezvous radar interface problem at
Cape Canaveral a month or two after Grumman discovered it in Bethpage.
He wrote up the problem....and devised a solution that required a
small hardware change.....We can only fault Silver for not making a
bigger stink. He might not have gained approval for his fix, but a
larger group would have known about the problem....
(S&L, page 169)
The crew had the radar configured per the checklist, but the checklist had been updated very shortly before flight and therefore had not been exercised very much in training.
The baseline circa 1965 was to have RR on, mode in LGC, and tracking
the CSM during the descent. At some point...the plan became RR off,
mode in LGC...in June 1969...the plan became RR on with mode in AUTO
or SLEW.
(S&L, page 167)
Explanation of the radar mode switch:
The mode switch had three positions: LGC, AUTO, and SLEW.
- LGC (LEM Guidance Computer) - the antenna angle resolvers used as their reference signal an
800-Hz signal from the PGNCS and therefore the data made sense to
the guidance computer - SLEW - Manual slew mode. The 800-Hz reference signal came from LEM
hardware - AUTO TRACK - Antenna tracks an acquired target. The 800-Hz reference
signal came from LEM
hardware
If the switch was not in LGC and the radar was on, the LGC could have problems processing the data depending on the phase relationship between the two 800 Hz signals, and this relationship was completely random, determined by when the LGC was powered on. The hardware fix proposed by Silver would have synchronized the two signals, eliminating the problem.
(Condensed from S&L pages 159-160)
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Addressing the "problems with some button" part of the question. Following is a quotation from a news source.
“It's generally been reported that when Armstrong returned the lunar module after the moon walk, his backpack broke a circuit breaker switch," said the source, an employee of North American Aviation who is one of the last to see Apollo astronauts before they are locked in their spacecraft.
“When that happened, it knocked out the normal ascent sequence firing
program.”
Fortunately, Aldrin used a pen on the broken part of the switch to get
it to work.
“But if he hadn't been able to, that would have thrown the whole ball
of wax over to the abort guidance sequence," the story continued.
“And unless he could have activated it, there is no back-up for it– they would have had real problems. The only hope would have been the 16 little jets on the reaction control system. And I doubt if that could have taken them back to the command module.”
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I didn't get about "ball of wax", could you explain?
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– R S
8 hours ago
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@RS "the whole ball of wax" is an American colloquial expression meaning "everything" - emphatically. grammarist.com/idiom/whole-ball-of-wax
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– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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@Fred I mean this button (before the walk): youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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– R S
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Addressing the "problems with some button" part of the question. Following is a quotation from a news source.
“It's generally been reported that when Armstrong returned the lunar module after the moon walk, his backpack broke a circuit breaker switch," said the source, an employee of North American Aviation who is one of the last to see Apollo astronauts before they are locked in their spacecraft.
“When that happened, it knocked out the normal ascent sequence firing
program.”
Fortunately, Aldrin used a pen on the broken part of the switch to get
it to work.
“But if he hadn't been able to, that would have thrown the whole ball
of wax over to the abort guidance sequence," the story continued.
“And unless he could have activated it, there is no back-up for it– they would have had real problems. The only hope would have been the 16 little jets on the reaction control system. And I doubt if that could have taken them back to the command module.”
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I didn't get about "ball of wax", could you explain?
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– R S
8 hours ago
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@RS "the whole ball of wax" is an American colloquial expression meaning "everything" - emphatically. grammarist.com/idiom/whole-ball-of-wax
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– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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@Fred I mean this button (before the walk): youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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– R S
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Addressing the "problems with some button" part of the question. Following is a quotation from a news source.
“It's generally been reported that when Armstrong returned the lunar module after the moon walk, his backpack broke a circuit breaker switch," said the source, an employee of North American Aviation who is one of the last to see Apollo astronauts before they are locked in their spacecraft.
“When that happened, it knocked out the normal ascent sequence firing
program.”
Fortunately, Aldrin used a pen on the broken part of the switch to get
it to work.
“But if he hadn't been able to, that would have thrown the whole ball
of wax over to the abort guidance sequence," the story continued.
“And unless he could have activated it, there is no back-up for it– they would have had real problems. The only hope would have been the 16 little jets on the reaction control system. And I doubt if that could have taken them back to the command module.”
$endgroup$
Addressing the "problems with some button" part of the question. Following is a quotation from a news source.
“It's generally been reported that when Armstrong returned the lunar module after the moon walk, his backpack broke a circuit breaker switch," said the source, an employee of North American Aviation who is one of the last to see Apollo astronauts before they are locked in their spacecraft.
“When that happened, it knocked out the normal ascent sequence firing
program.”
Fortunately, Aldrin used a pen on the broken part of the switch to get
it to work.
“But if he hadn't been able to, that would have thrown the whole ball
of wax over to the abort guidance sequence," the story continued.
“And unless he could have activated it, there is no back-up for it– they would have had real problems. The only hope would have been the 16 little jets on the reaction control system. And I doubt if that could have taken them back to the command module.”
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I didn't get about "ball of wax", could you explain?
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– R S
8 hours ago
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@RS "the whole ball of wax" is an American colloquial expression meaning "everything" - emphatically. grammarist.com/idiom/whole-ball-of-wax
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– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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@Fred I mean this button (before the walk): youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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– R S
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I didn't get about "ball of wax", could you explain?
$endgroup$
– R S
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@RS "the whole ball of wax" is an American colloquial expression meaning "everything" - emphatically. grammarist.com/idiom/whole-ball-of-wax
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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@Fred I mean this button (before the walk): youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
$endgroup$
– R S
7 hours ago
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I didn't get about "ball of wax", could you explain?
$endgroup$
– R S
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
I didn't get about "ball of wax", could you explain?
$endgroup$
– R S
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@RS "the whole ball of wax" is an American colloquial expression meaning "everything" - emphatically. grammarist.com/idiom/whole-ball-of-wax
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@RS "the whole ball of wax" is an American colloquial expression meaning "everything" - emphatically. grammarist.com/idiom/whole-ball-of-wax
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
8 hours ago
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@Fred I mean this button (before the walk): youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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– R S
7 hours ago
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@Fred I mean this button (before the walk): youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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– R S
7 hours ago
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I guess we're overdue for a canonical answer about the 1202.
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– Russell Borogove
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@Russel Borogove not only 1202, but also about some black button (during moon landing).
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– R S
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@RS I don't see Aldrin saying that in the voice transcripts here hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html . Do you have any more information about that part of your question?
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– Organic Marble
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@Organic Marble youtu.be/XtnIfu1qkoM?t=100
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– R S
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@RS I'm not much on watching videos.
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