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In the episode Deja-Q, Picard openly accuses Q of being dishonest:
Q: I have no powers. Q the ordinary.
PICARD: Q the liar. Q the misanthrope.
And in the DS9 episode Q-Less, Vash claims that Q was known as "the god of lies" on at least one planet in the Gamma Quadrant
And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
However, I can't recall any specific instance of Q being dishonest. He was far from benevolent most of the time and certainly didn't share ALL of his knowledge with the lesser races he encountered but, to my knowledge, he never lied. So why would Picard and others claim he was a liar?
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In the episode Deja-Q, Picard openly accuses Q of being dishonest:
Q: I have no powers. Q the ordinary.
PICARD: Q the liar. Q the misanthrope.
And in the DS9 episode Q-Less, Vash claims that Q was known as "the god of lies" on at least one planet in the Gamma Quadrant
And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
However, I can't recall any specific instance of Q being dishonest. He was far from benevolent most of the time and certainly didn't share ALL of his knowledge with the lesser races he encountered but, to my knowledge, he never lied. So why would Picard and others claim he was a liar?
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Apparently Memory Alpha has pages on Lie and Liar. Because why not.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
They do and both articles mention the "god of lies" bit but I'm interested in actual instances where Q says or does something dishonest
– geewhiz
8 hours ago
Define lie. If an omission is a lie, Q does tend to omit things.
– Jeeped
8 hours ago
Yeah, my comment doesn't answer your question. I just thought it was interesting.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
You could argue that his "omnipotence" claim is a lie ("Deja Q"), since he presumably couldn't destroy the rest of the Q with a thought. Maybe he means omnipotence as far as non-Q go.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
add a comment |
In the episode Deja-Q, Picard openly accuses Q of being dishonest:
Q: I have no powers. Q the ordinary.
PICARD: Q the liar. Q the misanthrope.
And in the DS9 episode Q-Less, Vash claims that Q was known as "the god of lies" on at least one planet in the Gamma Quadrant
And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
However, I can't recall any specific instance of Q being dishonest. He was far from benevolent most of the time and certainly didn't share ALL of his knowledge with the lesser races he encountered but, to my knowledge, he never lied. So why would Picard and others claim he was a liar?
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In the episode Deja-Q, Picard openly accuses Q of being dishonest:
Q: I have no powers. Q the ordinary.
PICARD: Q the liar. Q the misanthrope.
And in the DS9 episode Q-Less, Vash claims that Q was known as "the god of lies" on at least one planet in the Gamma Quadrant
And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
However, I can't recall any specific instance of Q being dishonest. He was far from benevolent most of the time and certainly didn't share ALL of his knowledge with the lesser races he encountered but, to my knowledge, he never lied. So why would Picard and others claim he was a liar?
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Apparently Memory Alpha has pages on Lie and Liar. Because why not.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
They do and both articles mention the "god of lies" bit but I'm interested in actual instances where Q says or does something dishonest
– geewhiz
8 hours ago
Define lie. If an omission is a lie, Q does tend to omit things.
– Jeeped
8 hours ago
Yeah, my comment doesn't answer your question. I just thought it was interesting.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
You could argue that his "omnipotence" claim is a lie ("Deja Q"), since he presumably couldn't destroy the rest of the Q with a thought. Maybe he means omnipotence as far as non-Q go.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Apparently Memory Alpha has pages on Lie and Liar. Because why not.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
They do and both articles mention the "god of lies" bit but I'm interested in actual instances where Q says or does something dishonest
– geewhiz
8 hours ago
Define lie. If an omission is a lie, Q does tend to omit things.
– Jeeped
8 hours ago
Yeah, my comment doesn't answer your question. I just thought it was interesting.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
You could argue that his "omnipotence" claim is a lie ("Deja Q"), since he presumably couldn't destroy the rest of the Q with a thought. Maybe he means omnipotence as far as non-Q go.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
Apparently Memory Alpha has pages on Lie and Liar. Because why not.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
Apparently Memory Alpha has pages on Lie and Liar. Because why not.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
They do and both articles mention the "god of lies" bit but I'm interested in actual instances where Q says or does something dishonest
– geewhiz
8 hours ago
They do and both articles mention the "god of lies" bit but I'm interested in actual instances where Q says or does something dishonest
– geewhiz
8 hours ago
Define lie. If an omission is a lie, Q does tend to omit things.
– Jeeped
8 hours ago
Define lie. If an omission is a lie, Q does tend to omit things.
– Jeeped
8 hours ago
Yeah, my comment doesn't answer your question. I just thought it was interesting.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
Yeah, my comment doesn't answer your question. I just thought it was interesting.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
You could argue that his "omnipotence" claim is a lie ("Deja Q"), since he presumably couldn't destroy the rest of the Q with a thought. Maybe he means omnipotence as far as non-Q go.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
You could argue that his "omnipotence" claim is a lie ("Deja Q"), since he presumably couldn't destroy the rest of the Q with a thought. Maybe he means omnipotence as far as non-Q go.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
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On Q's second visit to the Enterprise, he tells a complete untruth.
PICARD: Pay off your wager.
Q: I recall no wager!
TNG: Hide and Q
During his third visit, he lies again since (we later learn) humanity has remained on trial throughout the entire voyage of the Enterprise-D
RIKER: The good times? The first time we met you, you put us on trial for the crimes of humanity.
Q: Of which you were exonerated.
TNG: Q, Who?
He tells a fib in his 6th encounter, stating that Amanda's parents died in an accident when in fact they were murdered.
TROI: What happened to Amanda's parents?
Q: They died in an accident.
TNG: True Q
He lies to Vash in TNG: Q Less. Clearly the inhabitants of Brax hate his guts.
VASH: You're the one who almost got me killed on Errikang Seven. And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
Q: They meant it affectionately.
DS9: Q-less
He lies to Janeway in VOY: The Q and the Grey. There's no evidence that he's actually ordered anything at all from the kitchen.
JANEWAY: Janeway to security. Intruder alert.
Q: There's no need to call room service, Kathy. I've already ordered.
The Q and the Grey
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To be fair, we don't know that they didn't mean it affectionately
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
I''ll give you the first one. Q was trying to buy time by lying about forgetting the wager. The third one is dubious. They DID die in an accident regardless of the underlying cause. The second point is murky as the "trial" that Q was referring to seems to be development and evolution. Also, the Q were not going to destroy humanity, humanity-specifically Picard-was.
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
@geewhiz - It's pretty clear that the "accident" was no accident and that the Braxians didn't mean it affectionately.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
Concerning the first one, maybe Q's memory isn't like it used to be.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
@Valorum I was joking about the Braxians. Good answer!
– geewhiz
3 hours ago
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On Q's second visit to the Enterprise, he tells a complete untruth.
PICARD: Pay off your wager.
Q: I recall no wager!
TNG: Hide and Q
During his third visit, he lies again since (we later learn) humanity has remained on trial throughout the entire voyage of the Enterprise-D
RIKER: The good times? The first time we met you, you put us on trial for the crimes of humanity.
Q: Of which you were exonerated.
TNG: Q, Who?
He tells a fib in his 6th encounter, stating that Amanda's parents died in an accident when in fact they were murdered.
TROI: What happened to Amanda's parents?
Q: They died in an accident.
TNG: True Q
He lies to Vash in TNG: Q Less. Clearly the inhabitants of Brax hate his guts.
VASH: You're the one who almost got me killed on Errikang Seven. And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
Q: They meant it affectionately.
DS9: Q-less
He lies to Janeway in VOY: The Q and the Grey. There's no evidence that he's actually ordered anything at all from the kitchen.
JANEWAY: Janeway to security. Intruder alert.
Q: There's no need to call room service, Kathy. I've already ordered.
The Q and the Grey
answered 8 hours ago
ValorumValorum
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To be fair, we don't know that they didn't mean it affectionately
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
I''ll give you the first one. Q was trying to buy time by lying about forgetting the wager. The third one is dubious. They DID die in an accident regardless of the underlying cause. The second point is murky as the "trial" that Q was referring to seems to be development and evolution. Also, the Q were not going to destroy humanity, humanity-specifically Picard-was.
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
@geewhiz - It's pretty clear that the "accident" was no accident and that the Braxians didn't mean it affectionately.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
Concerning the first one, maybe Q's memory isn't like it used to be.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
@Valorum I was joking about the Braxians. Good answer!
– geewhiz
3 hours ago
|
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On Q's second visit to the Enterprise, he tells a complete untruth.
PICARD: Pay off your wager.
Q: I recall no wager!
TNG: Hide and Q
During his third visit, he lies again since (we later learn) humanity has remained on trial throughout the entire voyage of the Enterprise-D
RIKER: The good times? The first time we met you, you put us on trial for the crimes of humanity.
Q: Of which you were exonerated.
TNG: Q, Who?
He tells a fib in his 6th encounter, stating that Amanda's parents died in an accident when in fact they were murdered.
TROI: What happened to Amanda's parents?
Q: They died in an accident.
TNG: True Q
He lies to Vash in TNG: Q Less. Clearly the inhabitants of Brax hate his guts.
VASH: You're the one who almost got me killed on Errikang Seven. And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
Q: They meant it affectionately.
DS9: Q-less
He lies to Janeway in VOY: The Q and the Grey. There's no evidence that he's actually ordered anything at all from the kitchen.
JANEWAY: Janeway to security. Intruder alert.
Q: There's no need to call room service, Kathy. I've already ordered.
The Q and the Grey
answered 8 hours ago
ValorumValorum
441k122 gold badges3242 silver badges3414 bronze badges
5
To be fair, we don't know that they didn't mean it affectionately
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
I''ll give you the first one. Q was trying to buy time by lying about forgetting the wager. The third one is dubious. They DID die in an accident regardless of the underlying cause. The second point is murky as the "trial" that Q was referring to seems to be development and evolution. Also, the Q were not going to destroy humanity, humanity-specifically Picard-was.
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
@geewhiz - It's pretty clear that the "accident" was no accident and that the Braxians didn't mean it affectionately.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
Concerning the first one, maybe Q's memory isn't like it used to be.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
@Valorum I was joking about the Braxians. Good answer!
– geewhiz
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
On Q's second visit to the Enterprise, he tells a complete untruth.
PICARD: Pay off your wager.
Q: I recall no wager!
TNG: Hide and Q
During his third visit, he lies again since (we later learn) humanity has remained on trial throughout the entire voyage of the Enterprise-D
RIKER: The good times? The first time we met you, you put us on trial for the crimes of humanity.
Q: Of which you were exonerated.
TNG: Q, Who?
He tells a fib in his 6th encounter, stating that Amanda's parents died in an accident when in fact they were murdered.
TROI: What happened to Amanda's parents?
Q: They died in an accident.
TNG: True Q
He lies to Vash in TNG: Q Less. Clearly the inhabitants of Brax hate his guts.
VASH: You're the one who almost got me killed on Errikang Seven. And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
Q: They meant it affectionately.
DS9: Q-less
He lies to Janeway in VOY: The Q and the Grey. There's no evidence that he's actually ordered anything at all from the kitchen.
JANEWAY: Janeway to security. Intruder alert.
Q: There's no need to call room service, Kathy. I've already ordered.
The Q and the Grey
answered 8 hours ago
ValorumValorum
441k122 gold badges3242 silver badges3414 bronze badges
On Q's second visit to the Enterprise, he tells a complete untruth.
PICARD: Pay off your wager.
Q: I recall no wager!
TNG: Hide and Q
During his third visit, he lies again since (we later learn) humanity has remained on trial throughout the entire voyage of the Enterprise-D
RIKER: The good times? The first time we met you, you put us on trial for the crimes of humanity.
Q: Of which you were exonerated.
TNG: Q, Who?
He tells a fib in his 6th encounter, stating that Amanda's parents died in an accident when in fact they were murdered.
TROI: What happened to Amanda's parents?
Q: They died in an accident.
TNG: True Q
He lies to Vash in TNG: Q Less. Clearly the inhabitants of Brax hate his guts.
VASH: You're the one who almost got me killed on Errikang Seven. And they weren't exactly thrilled to see you on Brax either. What did they call you? The God of Lies?
Q: They meant it affectionately.
DS9: Q-less
He lies to Janeway in VOY: The Q and the Grey. There's no evidence that he's actually ordered anything at all from the kitchen.
JANEWAY: Janeway to security. Intruder alert.
Q: There's no need to call room service, Kathy. I've already ordered.
The Q and the Grey
answered 8 hours ago
ValorumValorum
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answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
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To be fair, we don't know that they didn't mean it affectionately
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
I''ll give you the first one. Q was trying to buy time by lying about forgetting the wager. The third one is dubious. They DID die in an accident regardless of the underlying cause. The second point is murky as the "trial" that Q was referring to seems to be development and evolution. Also, the Q were not going to destroy humanity, humanity-specifically Picard-was.
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
@geewhiz - It's pretty clear that the "accident" was no accident and that the Braxians didn't mean it affectionately.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
Concerning the first one, maybe Q's memory isn't like it used to be.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
@Valorum I was joking about the Braxians. Good answer!
– geewhiz
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
5
To be fair, we don't know that they didn't mean it affectionately
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
I''ll give you the first one. Q was trying to buy time by lying about forgetting the wager. The third one is dubious. They DID die in an accident regardless of the underlying cause. The second point is murky as the "trial" that Q was referring to seems to be development and evolution. Also, the Q were not going to destroy humanity, humanity-specifically Picard-was.
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
@geewhiz - It's pretty clear that the "accident" was no accident and that the Braxians didn't mean it affectionately.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
Concerning the first one, maybe Q's memory isn't like it used to be.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
@Valorum I was joking about the Braxians. Good answer!
– geewhiz
3 hours ago
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5
To be fair, we don't know that they didn't mean it affectionately
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
To be fair, we don't know that they didn't mean it affectionately
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
I''ll give you the first one. Q was trying to buy time by lying about forgetting the wager. The third one is dubious. They DID die in an accident regardless of the underlying cause. The second point is murky as the "trial" that Q was referring to seems to be development and evolution. Also, the Q were not going to destroy humanity, humanity-specifically Picard-was.
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
I''ll give you the first one. Q was trying to buy time by lying about forgetting the wager. The third one is dubious. They DID die in an accident regardless of the underlying cause. The second point is murky as the "trial" that Q was referring to seems to be development and evolution. Also, the Q were not going to destroy humanity, humanity-specifically Picard-was.
– geewhiz
7 hours ago
@geewhiz - It's pretty clear that the "accident" was no accident and that the Braxians didn't mean it affectionately.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
@geewhiz - It's pretty clear that the "accident" was no accident and that the Braxians didn't mean it affectionately.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
Concerning the first one, maybe Q's memory isn't like it used to be.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
Concerning the first one, maybe Q's memory isn't like it used to be.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago
@Valorum I was joking about the Braxians. Good answer!
– geewhiz
3 hours ago
@Valorum I was joking about the Braxians. Good answer!
– geewhiz
3 hours ago
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Apparently Memory Alpha has pages on Lie and Liar. Because why not.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
They do and both articles mention the "god of lies" bit but I'm interested in actual instances where Q says or does something dishonest
– geewhiz
8 hours ago
Define lie. If an omission is a lie, Q does tend to omit things.
– Jeeped
8 hours ago
Yeah, my comment doesn't answer your question. I just thought it was interesting.
– Rand al'Thor♦
8 hours ago
You could argue that his "omnipotence" claim is a lie ("Deja Q"), since he presumably couldn't destroy the rest of the Q with a thought. Maybe he means omnipotence as far as non-Q go.
– Ham Sandwich
6 hours ago