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Do 643,000 Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills?
Do commercial airline pilots make around $19,000 - $25,000 per year?Do Americans spend 49 billion dollars a year on pets?Can we end poverty for $US175 billion per year?Do Americans spend 9.14 billion hours on government paperwork every year?Are 35% of Americans currently in collections?Does less than 30% of donated used medical equipment ultimately become operational?Will 36,000 people die per year due to the repeal of the ACA?Do higher levels of medical intervention lead to better outcomes for patients?Does the fossil fuel industry benefit from trillions of dollars of subsidy from governments every year?Do cars drop 7% in value every month?
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I've been seeing a specific graphic circulating all over Instagram for the past few days. Here's Kim Kardashian posting it on her story.
Two things seem odd about this graphic. The first is the 643,000 figure. I know that the American Health Care System is dysfunctional, but that's pretty striking.
But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these claims true?
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I've been seeing a specific graphic circulating all over Instagram for the past few days. Here's Kim Kardashian posting it on her story.
Two things seem odd about this graphic. The first is the 643,000 figure. I know that the American Health Care System is dysfunctional, but that's pretty striking.
But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these claims true?
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Can you add a link to the post by Kim Kardashian? Instead of just having a screenshot?
– DenisS
8 hours ago
@DenisS I tried to, but I couldn't get instagram to work properly. I'm working on it!
– Don Thousand
8 hours ago
I can't find it on her front page but I might be mis-using instagram tbh
– DenisS
8 hours ago
1
The UK figure is complicated by the Windrush scandal. Briefly, people who immigrated to the UK decades ago have been denied free medical treatment because they don't have the paperwork to prove they have been here all that time. Not quite bankruptcy, and it seems to be a small number of individual cases. But its a bit misleading to say "zero". theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/…
– Paul Johnson
8 hours ago
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Funny, Japan might have zero bankruptcies from medical bills, but at the same time, it seems to be a popular plot point where a middle class family is on the ropes and taken advantage of because of a family member's medical troubles.
– pboss3010
6 hours ago
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I've been seeing a specific graphic circulating all over Instagram for the past few days. Here's Kim Kardashian posting it on her story.
Two things seem odd about this graphic. The first is the 643,000 figure. I know that the American Health Care System is dysfunctional, but that's pretty striking.
But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these claims true?
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I've been seeing a specific graphic circulating all over Instagram for the past few days. Here's Kim Kardashian posting it on her story.
Two things seem odd about this graphic. The first is the 643,000 figure. I know that the American Health Care System is dysfunctional, but that's pretty striking.
But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these claims true?
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Can you add a link to the post by Kim Kardashian? Instead of just having a screenshot?
– DenisS
8 hours ago
@DenisS I tried to, but I couldn't get instagram to work properly. I'm working on it!
– Don Thousand
8 hours ago
I can't find it on her front page but I might be mis-using instagram tbh
– DenisS
8 hours ago
1
The UK figure is complicated by the Windrush scandal. Briefly, people who immigrated to the UK decades ago have been denied free medical treatment because they don't have the paperwork to prove they have been here all that time. Not quite bankruptcy, and it seems to be a small number of individual cases. But its a bit misleading to say "zero". theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/…
– Paul Johnson
8 hours ago
1
Funny, Japan might have zero bankruptcies from medical bills, but at the same time, it seems to be a popular plot point where a middle class family is on the ropes and taken advantage of because of a family member's medical troubles.
– pboss3010
6 hours ago
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Can you add a link to the post by Kim Kardashian? Instead of just having a screenshot?
– DenisS
8 hours ago
@DenisS I tried to, but I couldn't get instagram to work properly. I'm working on it!
– Don Thousand
8 hours ago
I can't find it on her front page but I might be mis-using instagram tbh
– DenisS
8 hours ago
1
The UK figure is complicated by the Windrush scandal. Briefly, people who immigrated to the UK decades ago have been denied free medical treatment because they don't have the paperwork to prove they have been here all that time. Not quite bankruptcy, and it seems to be a small number of individual cases. But its a bit misleading to say "zero". theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/…
– Paul Johnson
8 hours ago
1
Funny, Japan might have zero bankruptcies from medical bills, but at the same time, it seems to be a popular plot point where a middle class family is on the ropes and taken advantage of because of a family member's medical troubles.
– pboss3010
6 hours ago
Can you add a link to the post by Kim Kardashian? Instead of just having a screenshot?
– DenisS
8 hours ago
Can you add a link to the post by Kim Kardashian? Instead of just having a screenshot?
– DenisS
8 hours ago
@DenisS I tried to, but I couldn't get instagram to work properly. I'm working on it!
– Don Thousand
8 hours ago
@DenisS I tried to, but I couldn't get instagram to work properly. I'm working on it!
– Don Thousand
8 hours ago
I can't find it on her front page but I might be mis-using instagram tbh
– DenisS
8 hours ago
I can't find it on her front page but I might be mis-using instagram tbh
– DenisS
8 hours ago
1
1
The UK figure is complicated by the Windrush scandal. Briefly, people who immigrated to the UK decades ago have been denied free medical treatment because they don't have the paperwork to prove they have been here all that time. Not quite bankruptcy, and it seems to be a small number of individual cases. But its a bit misleading to say "zero". theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/…
– Paul Johnson
8 hours ago
The UK figure is complicated by the Windrush scandal. Briefly, people who immigrated to the UK decades ago have been denied free medical treatment because they don't have the paperwork to prove they have been here all that time. Not quite bankruptcy, and it seems to be a small number of individual cases. But its a bit misleading to say "zero". theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/…
– Paul Johnson
8 hours ago
1
1
Funny, Japan might have zero bankruptcies from medical bills, but at the same time, it seems to be a popular plot point where a middle class family is on the ropes and taken advantage of because of a family member's medical troubles.
– pboss3010
6 hours ago
Funny, Japan might have zero bankruptcies from medical bills, but at the same time, it seems to be a popular plot point where a middle class family is on the ropes and taken advantage of because of a family member's medical troubles.
– pboss3010
6 hours ago
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Snopes has already tackled this.
Using some very specific analyses, one could make the case that (at least within the last several years) about 643,000 Americans declared bankruptcy annually due to medical bills. But the accuracy of those analyses is open to question, the playing field has changed significantly since they were undertaken (due to the implementation of the ACA), and it’s far from an absolute that the other countries listed in the meme experience zero medical-related bankruptcies.
Also it is not necessarily true that there are zero bankruptcies due to medical costs in the other countries. None of the countries cover 100% of all possible medical costs, and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense.
answered 7 hours ago
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"and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense." Probably a highly relevant point given how vague "medical bills" can be. As far as I know there's nothing in place that would prevent people from going bankrupt partially due to optional procedures such as breast augmentation; even where health care is universal.
– JMac
6 hours ago
It's more likely to be trying for an unapproved experimental procedure to cure their serious disease, but yes.
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
In most "socialist" countries, or that have socialized medicine, personal outlays are much higher than in the US.
– K Dog
2 hours ago
@KDog citation?
– Jared Smith
19 mins ago
@Jaredsmith google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/…
– K Dog
14 mins ago
add a comment |
But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries
supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these
claims true?
Not for Canada.
There's a claim on this site -- which, admittedly, does look kind of dodgy -- that medical expenses are the third leading cause for personal bankruptcy in Canada. I'm still trying to find a better source on this.
More (apparently) legitimately, Health issues and health care expenses in Canadian bankruptcies and insolvencies (Int J Health Serv. 2014;44(1):7-23) surveyed Canadian debtors and found, among other things,
6.9 percent had bills over $5,000 (all amounts in Canadian Dollars). Prescription drugs were cited as the costliest medical expense by
two-thirds of debtors reporting bills > $5,000, with dental bills
cited by 22.2 percent.
On the whole, it seems very likely that there is a greater-than-zero number of Canadians who "go bankrupt" due to, at least in part, medical bills.
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Snopes has already tackled this.
Using some very specific analyses, one could make the case that (at least within the last several years) about 643,000 Americans declared bankruptcy annually due to medical bills. But the accuracy of those analyses is open to question, the playing field has changed significantly since they were undertaken (due to the implementation of the ACA), and it’s far from an absolute that the other countries listed in the meme experience zero medical-related bankruptcies.
Also it is not necessarily true that there are zero bankruptcies due to medical costs in the other countries. None of the countries cover 100% of all possible medical costs, and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense.
answered 7 hours ago
DJClayworthDJClayworth
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"and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense." Probably a highly relevant point given how vague "medical bills" can be. As far as I know there's nothing in place that would prevent people from going bankrupt partially due to optional procedures such as breast augmentation; even where health care is universal.
– JMac
6 hours ago
It's more likely to be trying for an unapproved experimental procedure to cure their serious disease, but yes.
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
In most "socialist" countries, or that have socialized medicine, personal outlays are much higher than in the US.
– K Dog
2 hours ago
@KDog citation?
– Jared Smith
19 mins ago
@Jaredsmith google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/…
– K Dog
14 mins ago
add a comment |
Snopes has already tackled this.
Using some very specific analyses, one could make the case that (at least within the last several years) about 643,000 Americans declared bankruptcy annually due to medical bills. But the accuracy of those analyses is open to question, the playing field has changed significantly since they were undertaken (due to the implementation of the ACA), and it’s far from an absolute that the other countries listed in the meme experience zero medical-related bankruptcies.
Also it is not necessarily true that there are zero bankruptcies due to medical costs in the other countries. None of the countries cover 100% of all possible medical costs, and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense.
answered 7 hours ago
DJClayworthDJClayworth
42.8k19 gold badges166 silver badges167 bronze badges
"and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense." Probably a highly relevant point given how vague "medical bills" can be. As far as I know there's nothing in place that would prevent people from going bankrupt partially due to optional procedures such as breast augmentation; even where health care is universal.
– JMac
6 hours ago
It's more likely to be trying for an unapproved experimental procedure to cure their serious disease, but yes.
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
In most "socialist" countries, or that have socialized medicine, personal outlays are much higher than in the US.
– K Dog
2 hours ago
@KDog citation?
– Jared Smith
19 mins ago
@Jaredsmith google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/…
– K Dog
14 mins ago
add a comment |
Snopes has already tackled this.
Using some very specific analyses, one could make the case that (at least within the last several years) about 643,000 Americans declared bankruptcy annually due to medical bills. But the accuracy of those analyses is open to question, the playing field has changed significantly since they were undertaken (due to the implementation of the ACA), and it’s far from an absolute that the other countries listed in the meme experience zero medical-related bankruptcies.
Also it is not necessarily true that there are zero bankruptcies due to medical costs in the other countries. None of the countries cover 100% of all possible medical costs, and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense.
answered 7 hours ago
DJClayworthDJClayworth
42.8k19 gold badges166 silver badges167 bronze badges
Snopes has already tackled this.
Using some very specific analyses, one could make the case that (at least within the last several years) about 643,000 Americans declared bankruptcy annually due to medical bills. But the accuracy of those analyses is open to question, the playing field has changed significantly since they were undertaken (due to the implementation of the ACA), and it’s far from an absolute that the other countries listed in the meme experience zero medical-related bankruptcies.
Also it is not necessarily true that there are zero bankruptcies due to medical costs in the other countries. None of the countries cover 100% of all possible medical costs, and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense.
answered 7 hours ago
DJClayworthDJClayworth
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answered 7 hours ago
DJClayworthDJClayworth
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answered 7 hours ago
DJClayworthDJClayworth
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answered 7 hours ago
DJClayworthDJClayworth
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"and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense." Probably a highly relevant point given how vague "medical bills" can be. As far as I know there's nothing in place that would prevent people from going bankrupt partially due to optional procedures such as breast augmentation; even where health care is universal.
– JMac
6 hours ago
It's more likely to be trying for an unapproved experimental procedure to cure their serious disease, but yes.
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
In most "socialist" countries, or that have socialized medicine, personal outlays are much higher than in the US.
– K Dog
2 hours ago
@KDog citation?
– Jared Smith
19 mins ago
@Jaredsmith google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/…
– K Dog
14 mins ago
add a comment |
"and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense." Probably a highly relevant point given how vague "medical bills" can be. As far as I know there's nothing in place that would prevent people from going bankrupt partially due to optional procedures such as breast augmentation; even where health care is universal.
– JMac
6 hours ago
It's more likely to be trying for an unapproved experimental procedure to cure their serious disease, but yes.
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
In most "socialist" countries, or that have socialized medicine, personal outlays are much higher than in the US.
– K Dog
2 hours ago
@KDog citation?
– Jared Smith
19 mins ago
@Jaredsmith google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/…
– K Dog
14 mins ago
"and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense." Probably a highly relevant point given how vague "medical bills" can be. As far as I know there's nothing in place that would prevent people from going bankrupt partially due to optional procedures such as breast augmentation; even where health care is universal.
– JMac
6 hours ago
"and some people choose to do medical procedures that are not covered at their own expense." Probably a highly relevant point given how vague "medical bills" can be. As far as I know there's nothing in place that would prevent people from going bankrupt partially due to optional procedures such as breast augmentation; even where health care is universal.
– JMac
6 hours ago
It's more likely to be trying for an unapproved experimental procedure to cure their serious disease, but yes.
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
It's more likely to be trying for an unapproved experimental procedure to cure their serious disease, but yes.
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
In most "socialist" countries, or that have socialized medicine, personal outlays are much higher than in the US.
– K Dog
2 hours ago
In most "socialist" countries, or that have socialized medicine, personal outlays are much higher than in the US.
– K Dog
2 hours ago
@KDog citation?
– Jared Smith
19 mins ago
@KDog citation?
– Jared Smith
19 mins ago
@Jaredsmith google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/…
– K Dog
14 mins ago
@Jaredsmith google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/…
– K Dog
14 mins ago
add a comment |
But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries
supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these
claims true?
Not for Canada.
There's a claim on this site -- which, admittedly, does look kind of dodgy -- that medical expenses are the third leading cause for personal bankruptcy in Canada. I'm still trying to find a better source on this.
More (apparently) legitimately, Health issues and health care expenses in Canadian bankruptcies and insolvencies (Int J Health Serv. 2014;44(1):7-23) surveyed Canadian debtors and found, among other things,
6.9 percent had bills over $5,000 (all amounts in Canadian Dollars). Prescription drugs were cited as the costliest medical expense by
two-thirds of debtors reporting bills > $5,000, with dental bills
cited by 22.2 percent.
On the whole, it seems very likely that there is a greater-than-zero number of Canadians who "go bankrupt" due to, at least in part, medical bills.
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But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries
supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these
claims true?
Not for Canada.
There's a claim on this site -- which, admittedly, does look kind of dodgy -- that medical expenses are the third leading cause for personal bankruptcy in Canada. I'm still trying to find a better source on this.
More (apparently) legitimately, Health issues and health care expenses in Canadian bankruptcies and insolvencies (Int J Health Serv. 2014;44(1):7-23) surveyed Canadian debtors and found, among other things,
6.9 percent had bills over $5,000 (all amounts in Canadian Dollars). Prescription drugs were cited as the costliest medical expense by
two-thirds of debtors reporting bills > $5,000, with dental bills
cited by 22.2 percent.
On the whole, it seems very likely that there is a greater-than-zero number of Canadians who "go bankrupt" due to, at least in part, medical bills.
answered 4 hours ago
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But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries
supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these
claims true?
Not for Canada.
There's a claim on this site -- which, admittedly, does look kind of dodgy -- that medical expenses are the third leading cause for personal bankruptcy in Canada. I'm still trying to find a better source on this.
More (apparently) legitimately, Health issues and health care expenses in Canadian bankruptcies and insolvencies (Int J Health Serv. 2014;44(1):7-23) surveyed Canadian debtors and found, among other things,
6.9 percent had bills over $5,000 (all amounts in Canadian Dollars). Prescription drugs were cited as the costliest medical expense by
two-thirds of debtors reporting bills > $5,000, with dental bills
cited by 22.2 percent.
On the whole, it seems very likely that there is a greater-than-zero number of Canadians who "go bankrupt" due to, at least in part, medical bills.
answered 4 hours ago
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But more striking is the fact that all of these other countries
supposedly have no one going bankrupt from medical bills. Are these
claims true?
Not for Canada.
There's a claim on this site -- which, admittedly, does look kind of dodgy -- that medical expenses are the third leading cause for personal bankruptcy in Canada. I'm still trying to find a better source on this.
More (apparently) legitimately, Health issues and health care expenses in Canadian bankruptcies and insolvencies (Int J Health Serv. 2014;44(1):7-23) surveyed Canadian debtors and found, among other things,
6.9 percent had bills over $5,000 (all amounts in Canadian Dollars). Prescription drugs were cited as the costliest medical expense by
two-thirds of debtors reporting bills > $5,000, with dental bills
cited by 22.2 percent.
On the whole, it seems very likely that there is a greater-than-zero number of Canadians who "go bankrupt" due to, at least in part, medical bills.
answered 4 hours ago
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Can you add a link to the post by Kim Kardashian? Instead of just having a screenshot?
– DenisS
8 hours ago
@DenisS I tried to, but I couldn't get instagram to work properly. I'm working on it!
– Don Thousand
8 hours ago
I can't find it on her front page but I might be mis-using instagram tbh
– DenisS
8 hours ago
1
The UK figure is complicated by the Windrush scandal. Briefly, people who immigrated to the UK decades ago have been denied free medical treatment because they don't have the paperwork to prove they have been here all that time. Not quite bankruptcy, and it seems to be a small number of individual cases. But its a bit misleading to say "zero". theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/…
– Paul Johnson
8 hours ago
1
Funny, Japan might have zero bankruptcies from medical bills, but at the same time, it seems to be a popular plot point where a middle class family is on the ropes and taken advantage of because of a family member's medical troubles.
– pboss3010
6 hours ago