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Need help figure out a Fibonacci related math trick
Need help deriving recurrence relation for even-valued Fibonacci numbers.How many different Shidoku Boards are there?A logic problem. No need for calculationNumber of apples in a basket riddleCan the Fibonacci sequence be written as an explicit rule?How to arrange these 10 digits to make a correct equation?What is the name of the “unique” numbers in Fibonacci-like integer sequences?Teacher - Parents : How many were they exactly?
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My math teacher used to do a trick where he would have a student write $2$ numbers on the board then add the first to the second to create the third then add the second to the third and so on until there were $10$ numbers. He would then turn around and add them up in $2$ seconds. How did he do this?
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My math teacher used to do a trick where he would have a student write $2$ numbers on the board then add the first to the second to create the third then add the second to the third and so on until there were $10$ numbers. He would then turn around and add them up in $2$ seconds. How did he do this?
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Have you tried a few simple cases to see the pattern?
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– rtybase
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have you heard of induction?
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– ggg
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Check my answer, I think it is easy; the seventh number in the list multiplied by 11.
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My math teacher used to do a trick where he would have a student write $2$ numbers on the board then add the first to the second to create the third then add the second to the third and so on until there were $10$ numbers. He would then turn around and add them up in $2$ seconds. How did he do this?
puzzle fibonacci-numbers
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My math teacher used to do a trick where he would have a student write $2$ numbers on the board then add the first to the second to create the third then add the second to the third and so on until there were $10$ numbers. He would then turn around and add them up in $2$ seconds. How did he do this?
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Have you tried a few simple cases to see the pattern?
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– rtybase
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have you heard of induction?
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– ggg
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Check my answer, I think it is easy; the seventh number in the list multiplied by 11.
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6 hours ago
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Have you tried a few simple cases to see the pattern?
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– rtybase
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have you heard of induction?
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– ggg
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Check my answer, I think it is easy; the seventh number in the list multiplied by 11.
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
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Have you tried a few simple cases to see the pattern?
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– rtybase
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Have you tried a few simple cases to see the pattern?
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– rtybase
8 hours ago
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1
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have you heard of induction?
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– ggg
8 hours ago
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have you heard of induction?
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– ggg
8 hours ago
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Check my answer, I think it is easy; the seventh number in the list multiplied by 11.
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
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Check my answer, I think it is easy; the seventh number in the list multiplied by 11.
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Hint:
$beginarrayrl F(1) &= colorblueF(3)-F(2)\
F(2)&= F(4)colorblue-F(3)\
F(3)&=colorredF(5)-F(4)\F(4)&=F(6)colorred-F(5)\
vdotsendarray$
$F(1)+F(2)+dots+F(n) = F(n+2)-F(2)$
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That hint is just NICE, here is a "+" for you, see my answer, does it look good and easy?
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
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Try it algebraically starting with $a$ and $b$
begineqnarray*
a,b,a+b,a+2b,2a+3b,3a+5b,5a+8b, \ 8a+13b,13a+21b,21a+34b.
endeqnarray*
Now add these together and we get $55a+88b=11 (5a+8b)$.
So I guess your teacher took the first value multiplied by $5$ and added it to the second value multiplied by $8$ and then multiplied by $11$. Your teacher would have had plenty of time to do this calculation while then values were being added.
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That is because Fibonacci numbers have a number of properties, one of them being:
$$sum_i=0^nF_i = F_n+2 - 1 = 2F_n + F_n-1 - 1$$
Proof is by induction
Hence, if the numbers are $0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13$, the sum will be $13*2 + 8 - 1 = 33$
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Multiplying any natural number by $11$ is so easy, check here.
Now the solution for your problem is to multiply the $7^textth$ number in the list by $11$
Have this example: our first two numbers are $16$ and $21$
So the list is:
$16$
$21$
$37$
$58$
$95$
$153$
$248$
$401$
$649$
$1050$
The sum of those numbers is just $248$ (which is the $7^textth$ number) $times 11=2728$.
The rule is: $boxed7^textthtext number times 11$
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Well, to answer the question as to how he did it: If the first number is $x$ and the second number is $y$ then every other number and the sum of all ten numbers will a combination of $x$ and $y$. As you do the same thing every time the final sum will be the same combination. Your teacher merely memorized that the final sum would be $55x + 88y$.
As to how we would know the final number is $55x+88y$ we can
1) Simply do it. The ten numbers are $x,y,x+y, x+2y, 2x+3y, 3x+5y,5x+8y,8x+13y,13x+21y, 21x+34y$ and the sum is $55x+88y$.
2) Try to find a way to generalize this without doing each sum.
We notice the number of $x$s involved are $1,0,1,1, 2,etc.$. After a slow start once we have $1,1$ this has to follow the Fibonacci sequence. So if the $k$th number is $a_k x + b_k y$ we know $a_k= F_k-2$, the $k$th fibonacci number.
We notice the number of $y$s involved are $0,1,1,2, etc.$ and those are the Fibonacci numbers too but with a quicker start. $b_k = F_k-1$.
So the $k$th number is $F_k-2x + F_k-1y$.
The final total after ten numbers is therefore $(1 +sum_k=1^8 F_k)x + (sum_k=1^9 F_k) y$.
There's an interesting formula that
$sum_k=1^n F_k = F_n+2 - 1$.
So the sum is $F_10x + (F_11-1)y$
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Another answer states that the answer is that the sum is the $7$th number times $11$.
So does $11(F_5x + F_6y) = F_10x + (F_11 -1)y$?
Well, $11(F_5x + F_6y) = 11(5x + 8y)=55x + 88y = 55x + (89-1)y$.
The Fibonacci series is $1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89$ so, yes, indeed this is true.
So that's actually how the teacher did it so quickly. You wrote down the $7$th term and he multiplied it by $11$ in his head.
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Hint:
$beginarrayrl F(1) &= colorblueF(3)-F(2)\
F(2)&= F(4)colorblue-F(3)\
F(3)&=colorredF(5)-F(4)\F(4)&=F(6)colorred-F(5)\
vdotsendarray$
$F(1)+F(2)+dots+F(n) = F(n+2)-F(2)$
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That hint is just NICE, here is a "+" for you, see my answer, does it look good and easy?
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
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Hint:
$beginarrayrl F(1) &= colorblueF(3)-F(2)\
F(2)&= F(4)colorblue-F(3)\
F(3)&=colorredF(5)-F(4)\F(4)&=F(6)colorred-F(5)\
vdotsendarray$
$F(1)+F(2)+dots+F(n) = F(n+2)-F(2)$
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That hint is just NICE, here is a "+" for you, see my answer, does it look good and easy?
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
add a comment |
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Hint:
$beginarrayrl F(1) &= colorblueF(3)-F(2)\
F(2)&= F(4)colorblue-F(3)\
F(3)&=colorredF(5)-F(4)\F(4)&=F(6)colorred-F(5)\
vdotsendarray$
$F(1)+F(2)+dots+F(n) = F(n+2)-F(2)$
$endgroup$
Hint:
$beginarrayrl F(1) &= colorblueF(3)-F(2)\
F(2)&= F(4)colorblue-F(3)\
F(3)&=colorredF(5)-F(4)\F(4)&=F(6)colorred-F(5)\
vdotsendarray$
$F(1)+F(2)+dots+F(n) = F(n+2)-F(2)$
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That hint is just NICE, here is a "+" for you, see my answer, does it look good and easy?
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That hint is just NICE, here is a "+" for you, see my answer, does it look good and easy?
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
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That hint is just NICE, here is a "+" for you, see my answer, does it look good and easy?
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
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That hint is just NICE, here is a "+" for you, see my answer, does it look good and easy?
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago
add a comment |
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Try it algebraically starting with $a$ and $b$
begineqnarray*
a,b,a+b,a+2b,2a+3b,3a+5b,5a+8b, \ 8a+13b,13a+21b,21a+34b.
endeqnarray*
Now add these together and we get $55a+88b=11 (5a+8b)$.
So I guess your teacher took the first value multiplied by $5$ and added it to the second value multiplied by $8$ and then multiplied by $11$. Your teacher would have had plenty of time to do this calculation while then values were being added.
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add a comment |
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Try it algebraically starting with $a$ and $b$
begineqnarray*
a,b,a+b,a+2b,2a+3b,3a+5b,5a+8b, \ 8a+13b,13a+21b,21a+34b.
endeqnarray*
Now add these together and we get $55a+88b=11 (5a+8b)$.
So I guess your teacher took the first value multiplied by $5$ and added it to the second value multiplied by $8$ and then multiplied by $11$. Your teacher would have had plenty of time to do this calculation while then values were being added.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Try it algebraically starting with $a$ and $b$
begineqnarray*
a,b,a+b,a+2b,2a+3b,3a+5b,5a+8b, \ 8a+13b,13a+21b,21a+34b.
endeqnarray*
Now add these together and we get $55a+88b=11 (5a+8b)$.
So I guess your teacher took the first value multiplied by $5$ and added it to the second value multiplied by $8$ and then multiplied by $11$. Your teacher would have had plenty of time to do this calculation while then values were being added.
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Try it algebraically starting with $a$ and $b$
begineqnarray*
a,b,a+b,a+2b,2a+3b,3a+5b,5a+8b, \ 8a+13b,13a+21b,21a+34b.
endeqnarray*
Now add these together and we get $55a+88b=11 (5a+8b)$.
So I guess your teacher took the first value multiplied by $5$ and added it to the second value multiplied by $8$ and then multiplied by $11$. Your teacher would have had plenty of time to do this calculation while then values were being added.
answered 8 hours ago
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That is because Fibonacci numbers have a number of properties, one of them being:
$$sum_i=0^nF_i = F_n+2 - 1 = 2F_n + F_n-1 - 1$$
Proof is by induction
Hence, if the numbers are $0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13$, the sum will be $13*2 + 8 - 1 = 33$
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That is because Fibonacci numbers have a number of properties, one of them being:
$$sum_i=0^nF_i = F_n+2 - 1 = 2F_n + F_n-1 - 1$$
Proof is by induction
Hence, if the numbers are $0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13$, the sum will be $13*2 + 8 - 1 = 33$
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That is because Fibonacci numbers have a number of properties, one of them being:
$$sum_i=0^nF_i = F_n+2 - 1 = 2F_n + F_n-1 - 1$$
Proof is by induction
Hence, if the numbers are $0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13$, the sum will be $13*2 + 8 - 1 = 33$
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That is because Fibonacci numbers have a number of properties, one of them being:
$$sum_i=0^nF_i = F_n+2 - 1 = 2F_n + F_n-1 - 1$$
Proof is by induction
Hence, if the numbers are $0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13$, the sum will be $13*2 + 8 - 1 = 33$
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Multiplying any natural number by $11$ is so easy, check here.
Now the solution for your problem is to multiply the $7^textth$ number in the list by $11$
Have this example: our first two numbers are $16$ and $21$
So the list is:
$16$
$21$
$37$
$58$
$95$
$153$
$248$
$401$
$649$
$1050$
The sum of those numbers is just $248$ (which is the $7^textth$ number) $times 11=2728$.
The rule is: $boxed7^textthtext number times 11$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Multiplying any natural number by $11$ is so easy, check here.
Now the solution for your problem is to multiply the $7^textth$ number in the list by $11$
Have this example: our first two numbers are $16$ and $21$
So the list is:
$16$
$21$
$37$
$58$
$95$
$153$
$248$
$401$
$649$
$1050$
The sum of those numbers is just $248$ (which is the $7^textth$ number) $times 11=2728$.
The rule is: $boxed7^textthtext number times 11$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Multiplying any natural number by $11$ is so easy, check here.
Now the solution for your problem is to multiply the $7^textth$ number in the list by $11$
Have this example: our first two numbers are $16$ and $21$
So the list is:
$16$
$21$
$37$
$58$
$95$
$153$
$248$
$401$
$649$
$1050$
The sum of those numbers is just $248$ (which is the $7^textth$ number) $times 11=2728$.
The rule is: $boxed7^textthtext number times 11$
$endgroup$
Multiplying any natural number by $11$ is so easy, check here.
Now the solution for your problem is to multiply the $7^textth$ number in the list by $11$
Have this example: our first two numbers are $16$ and $21$
So the list is:
$16$
$21$
$37$
$58$
$95$
$153$
$248$
$401$
$649$
$1050$
The sum of those numbers is just $248$ (which is the $7^textth$ number) $times 11=2728$.
The rule is: $boxed7^textthtext number times 11$
answered 6 hours ago


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Well, to answer the question as to how he did it: If the first number is $x$ and the second number is $y$ then every other number and the sum of all ten numbers will a combination of $x$ and $y$. As you do the same thing every time the final sum will be the same combination. Your teacher merely memorized that the final sum would be $55x + 88y$.
As to how we would know the final number is $55x+88y$ we can
1) Simply do it. The ten numbers are $x,y,x+y, x+2y, 2x+3y, 3x+5y,5x+8y,8x+13y,13x+21y, 21x+34y$ and the sum is $55x+88y$.
2) Try to find a way to generalize this without doing each sum.
We notice the number of $x$s involved are $1,0,1,1, 2,etc.$. After a slow start once we have $1,1$ this has to follow the Fibonacci sequence. So if the $k$th number is $a_k x + b_k y$ we know $a_k= F_k-2$, the $k$th fibonacci number.
We notice the number of $y$s involved are $0,1,1,2, etc.$ and those are the Fibonacci numbers too but with a quicker start. $b_k = F_k-1$.
So the $k$th number is $F_k-2x + F_k-1y$.
The final total after ten numbers is therefore $(1 +sum_k=1^8 F_k)x + (sum_k=1^9 F_k) y$.
There's an interesting formula that
$sum_k=1^n F_k = F_n+2 - 1$.
So the sum is $F_10x + (F_11-1)y$
======
Another answer states that the answer is that the sum is the $7$th number times $11$.
So does $11(F_5x + F_6y) = F_10x + (F_11 -1)y$?
Well, $11(F_5x + F_6y) = 11(5x + 8y)=55x + 88y = 55x + (89-1)y$.
The Fibonacci series is $1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89$ so, yes, indeed this is true.
So that's actually how the teacher did it so quickly. You wrote down the $7$th term and he multiplied it by $11$ in his head.
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Well, to answer the question as to how he did it: If the first number is $x$ and the second number is $y$ then every other number and the sum of all ten numbers will a combination of $x$ and $y$. As you do the same thing every time the final sum will be the same combination. Your teacher merely memorized that the final sum would be $55x + 88y$.
As to how we would know the final number is $55x+88y$ we can
1) Simply do it. The ten numbers are $x,y,x+y, x+2y, 2x+3y, 3x+5y,5x+8y,8x+13y,13x+21y, 21x+34y$ and the sum is $55x+88y$.
2) Try to find a way to generalize this without doing each sum.
We notice the number of $x$s involved are $1,0,1,1, 2,etc.$. After a slow start once we have $1,1$ this has to follow the Fibonacci sequence. So if the $k$th number is $a_k x + b_k y$ we know $a_k= F_k-2$, the $k$th fibonacci number.
We notice the number of $y$s involved are $0,1,1,2, etc.$ and those are the Fibonacci numbers too but with a quicker start. $b_k = F_k-1$.
So the $k$th number is $F_k-2x + F_k-1y$.
The final total after ten numbers is therefore $(1 +sum_k=1^8 F_k)x + (sum_k=1^9 F_k) y$.
There's an interesting formula that
$sum_k=1^n F_k = F_n+2 - 1$.
So the sum is $F_10x + (F_11-1)y$
======
Another answer states that the answer is that the sum is the $7$th number times $11$.
So does $11(F_5x + F_6y) = F_10x + (F_11 -1)y$?
Well, $11(F_5x + F_6y) = 11(5x + 8y)=55x + 88y = 55x + (89-1)y$.
The Fibonacci series is $1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89$ so, yes, indeed this is true.
So that's actually how the teacher did it so quickly. You wrote down the $7$th term and he multiplied it by $11$ in his head.
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Well, to answer the question as to how he did it: If the first number is $x$ and the second number is $y$ then every other number and the sum of all ten numbers will a combination of $x$ and $y$. As you do the same thing every time the final sum will be the same combination. Your teacher merely memorized that the final sum would be $55x + 88y$.
As to how we would know the final number is $55x+88y$ we can
1) Simply do it. The ten numbers are $x,y,x+y, x+2y, 2x+3y, 3x+5y,5x+8y,8x+13y,13x+21y, 21x+34y$ and the sum is $55x+88y$.
2) Try to find a way to generalize this without doing each sum.
We notice the number of $x$s involved are $1,0,1,1, 2,etc.$. After a slow start once we have $1,1$ this has to follow the Fibonacci sequence. So if the $k$th number is $a_k x + b_k y$ we know $a_k= F_k-2$, the $k$th fibonacci number.
We notice the number of $y$s involved are $0,1,1,2, etc.$ and those are the Fibonacci numbers too but with a quicker start. $b_k = F_k-1$.
So the $k$th number is $F_k-2x + F_k-1y$.
The final total after ten numbers is therefore $(1 +sum_k=1^8 F_k)x + (sum_k=1^9 F_k) y$.
There's an interesting formula that
$sum_k=1^n F_k = F_n+2 - 1$.
So the sum is $F_10x + (F_11-1)y$
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Another answer states that the answer is that the sum is the $7$th number times $11$.
So does $11(F_5x + F_6y) = F_10x + (F_11 -1)y$?
Well, $11(F_5x + F_6y) = 11(5x + 8y)=55x + 88y = 55x + (89-1)y$.
The Fibonacci series is $1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89$ so, yes, indeed this is true.
So that's actually how the teacher did it so quickly. You wrote down the $7$th term and he multiplied it by $11$ in his head.
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Well, to answer the question as to how he did it: If the first number is $x$ and the second number is $y$ then every other number and the sum of all ten numbers will a combination of $x$ and $y$. As you do the same thing every time the final sum will be the same combination. Your teacher merely memorized that the final sum would be $55x + 88y$.
As to how we would know the final number is $55x+88y$ we can
1) Simply do it. The ten numbers are $x,y,x+y, x+2y, 2x+3y, 3x+5y,5x+8y,8x+13y,13x+21y, 21x+34y$ and the sum is $55x+88y$.
2) Try to find a way to generalize this without doing each sum.
We notice the number of $x$s involved are $1,0,1,1, 2,etc.$. After a slow start once we have $1,1$ this has to follow the Fibonacci sequence. So if the $k$th number is $a_k x + b_k y$ we know $a_k= F_k-2$, the $k$th fibonacci number.
We notice the number of $y$s involved are $0,1,1,2, etc.$ and those are the Fibonacci numbers too but with a quicker start. $b_k = F_k-1$.
So the $k$th number is $F_k-2x + F_k-1y$.
The final total after ten numbers is therefore $(1 +sum_k=1^8 F_k)x + (sum_k=1^9 F_k) y$.
There's an interesting formula that
$sum_k=1^n F_k = F_n+2 - 1$.
So the sum is $F_10x + (F_11-1)y$
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Another answer states that the answer is that the sum is the $7$th number times $11$.
So does $11(F_5x + F_6y) = F_10x + (F_11 -1)y$?
Well, $11(F_5x + F_6y) = 11(5x + 8y)=55x + 88y = 55x + (89-1)y$.
The Fibonacci series is $1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89$ so, yes, indeed this is true.
So that's actually how the teacher did it so quickly. You wrote down the $7$th term and he multiplied it by $11$ in his head.
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Have you tried a few simple cases to see the pattern?
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– rtybase
8 hours ago
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have you heard of induction?
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– ggg
8 hours ago
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Check my answer, I think it is easy; the seventh number in the list multiplied by 11.
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– Hussain-Alqatari
6 hours ago