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I am having a disagreement with a friend. It stems around the scenario of 2 identical bikes on the same gear ratio side by side. If the rate of pedaling is same for both do both bikes travel at the same speed? Or does the rider's weight play a factor?
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I am having a disagreement with a friend. It stems around the scenario of 2 identical bikes on the same gear ratio side by side. If the rate of pedaling is same for both do both bikes travel at the same speed? Or does the rider's weight play a factor?
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The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.
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@mattnz - Yep, there will be an effect, but it will be minuscule in most circumstances.
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I am having a disagreement with a friend. It stems around the scenario of 2 identical bikes on the same gear ratio side by side. If the rate of pedaling is same for both do both bikes travel at the same speed? Or does the rider's weight play a factor?
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I am having a disagreement with a friend. It stems around the scenario of 2 identical bikes on the same gear ratio side by side. If the rate of pedaling is same for both do both bikes travel at the same speed? Or does the rider's weight play a factor?
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The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.
– mattnz
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@mattnz - Yep, there will be an effect, but it will be minuscule in most circumstances.
– Daniel R Hicks
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The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.
– mattnz
7 hours ago
1
@mattnz - Yep, there will be an effect, but it will be minuscule in most circumstances.
– Daniel R Hicks
7 hours ago
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The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.
– mattnz
7 hours ago
The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.
– mattnz
7 hours ago
1
1
@mattnz - Yep, there will be an effect, but it will be minuscule in most circumstances.
– Daniel R Hicks
7 hours ago
@mattnz - Yep, there will be an effect, but it will be minuscule in most circumstances.
– Daniel R Hicks
7 hours ago
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The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:
- Gear ratio
- Size of wheels
The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.
The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.
answered 8 hours ago
Greg HewgillGreg Hewgill
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On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
@ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)
– Paul H
7 hours ago
@PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
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Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components
Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.
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There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.
Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.
So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.
(In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)
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Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.
There are also too many other factors to consider:
Rider position
Rider height (longer legs, etc)
Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
Cadence
Bike maintenance
Road surface
etc
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The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:
- Gear ratio
- Size of wheels
The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.
The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.
answered 8 hours ago
Greg HewgillGreg Hewgill
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On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
@ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)
– Paul H
7 hours ago
@PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
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The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:
- Gear ratio
- Size of wheels
The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.
The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.
answered 8 hours ago
Greg HewgillGreg Hewgill
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On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
@ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)
– Paul H
7 hours ago
@PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
add a comment |
The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:
- Gear ratio
- Size of wheels
The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.
The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.
answered 8 hours ago
Greg HewgillGreg Hewgill
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The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:
- Gear ratio
- Size of wheels
The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.
The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.
answered 8 hours ago
Greg HewgillGreg Hewgill
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answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
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On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
@ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)
– Paul H
7 hours ago
@PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
add a comment |
On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
@ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)
– Paul H
7 hours ago
@PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
@ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)
– Paul H
7 hours ago
@ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)
– Paul H
7 hours ago
@PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
@PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.
– Argenti Apparatus
7 hours ago
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Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components
Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.
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Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components
Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.
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Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components
Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.
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Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components
Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.
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There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.
Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.
So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.
(In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)
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There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.
Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.
So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.
(In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)
answered 5 hours ago
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There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.
Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.
So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.
(In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)
answered 5 hours ago
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There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.
Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.
So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.
(In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)
answered 5 hours ago
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Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.
There are also too many other factors to consider:
Rider position
Rider height (longer legs, etc)
Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
Cadence
Bike maintenance
Road surface
etc
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Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.
There are also too many other factors to consider:
Rider position
Rider height (longer legs, etc)
Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
Cadence
Bike maintenance
Road surface
etc
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Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.
There are also too many other factors to consider:
Rider position
Rider height (longer legs, etc)
Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
Cadence
Bike maintenance
Road surface
etc
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Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.
There are also too many other factors to consider:
Rider position
Rider height (longer legs, etc)
Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
Cadence
Bike maintenance
Road surface
etc
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The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.
– mattnz
7 hours ago
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@mattnz - Yep, there will be an effect, but it will be minuscule in most circumstances.
– Daniel R Hicks
7 hours ago