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    The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.

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    The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.

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    The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.

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The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.

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The only variable in this scenario is the effective rear wheel diameter, determined by air pressure and weight on the rear wheel. Theoretically if tires and pressure are identical, there will be a difference and a heavier rider will travel less distance. Practically, good luck measuring it.

– mattnz
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The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:



  • Gear ratio

  • Size of wheels

The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.



The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.






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  • On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).

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  • @ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)

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  • @PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.

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Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components



Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.






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    There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.



    Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.



    So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.



    (In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)






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      Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.



      There are also too many other factors to consider:
      Rider position
      Rider height (longer legs, etc)
      Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
      Cadence
      Bike maintenance
      Road surface
      etc






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        The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:



        • Gear ratio

        • Size of wheels

        The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.



        The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.






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        • On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).

          – Argenti Apparatus
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        • @ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)

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        • @PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.

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        The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:



        • Gear ratio

        • Size of wheels

        The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.



        The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.






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        • On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).

          – Argenti Apparatus
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        • @ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)

          – Paul H
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        • @PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.

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        The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:



        • Gear ratio

        • Size of wheels

        The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.



        The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.






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        The mechanical factors which translate pedaling rate to overall speed are:



        • Gear ratio

        • Size of wheels

        The weight of the rider is not relevant for this question.



        The weight of the rider would be relevant if you were asking about the power needed to keep the bike going, especially up any kind of hill.







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        • On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).

          – Argenti Apparatus
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        • @ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)

          – Paul H
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        • @PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.

          – Argenti Apparatus
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        • On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).

          – Argenti Apparatus
          7 hours ago











        • @ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)

          – Paul H
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        • @PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.

          – Argenti Apparatus
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        On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).

        – Argenti Apparatus
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        On a non inclined surface rider and bike mass has no beRing on the power needed to maintain a constant speed (ok, perhaps greater mass causes greater bearing friction, tire deformation losses, but those are small).

        – Argenti Apparatus
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        @ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)

        – Paul H
        7 hours ago






        @ArgentiApparatus surface area is (generally) proportional to mass, so you'd (generally) expect different drag at the same speed (but you also wouldn't be surprised if two riders of the same mass had different drag)

        – Paul H
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        @PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.

        – Argenti Apparatus
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        @PaulH Yes of course a heavier rider will be bigger and present a larger area.

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        Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components



        Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.






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          Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components



          Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.






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            Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components



            Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.






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            Speed is determined only by gearing, of which crank, cassette, wheel, and tire are components



            Any 2 bikes using, say, 42t cranks with a rear 32t cog and 25c tires on 700c wheels at 90rpm will be going the same speed. Bike type and size, rider/bike weight, and even front wheel/tire size and crank length don’t matter. These other factors only effect how much power it will take to keep up that cadence with that gear combination.







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                There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.



                Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.



                So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.



                (In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)






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                  There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.



                  Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.



                  So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.



                  (In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)






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                    There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.



                    Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.



                    So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.



                    (In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)






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                    There would likely be a small difference. If you have, eg, a bike with a rear tire that has a 68cm diameter, the effective tire diameter is reduced by the amount it compresses when the bike is carrying a rider.



                    Let's say that the heavier rider is heaver by 80kg, and this causes the tire to compress an additional 1cm vs the diameter with the lighter rider. The effective radius is 33cm vs 34cm, and the effective circumference is 207.34cm vs 213.63cm.



                    So he heavier rider would travel about 207.34/213.63 or 0.97 kilometer for each kilometer the lighter rider travels.



                    (In practice the difference would likely be somewhat less due to the dynamics of the tire. The lateral stiffness of the tread would tent to make the heavier bike "scoot ahead" relative to the above numbers, perhaps halving the disadvantage. This would depend on the specific tire/tread/pressure.)







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                        Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.



                        There are also too many other factors to consider:
                        Rider position
                        Rider height (longer legs, etc)
                        Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
                        Cadence
                        Bike maintenance
                        Road surface
                        etc






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                          Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.



                          There are also too many other factors to consider:
                          Rider position
                          Rider height (longer legs, etc)
                          Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
                          Cadence
                          Bike maintenance
                          Road surface
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                            Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.



                            There are also too many other factors to consider:
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                            Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
                            Cadence
                            Bike maintenance
                            Road surface
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                            Unless the weight was of significant delta, it would be near on impossible to see one bike travel faster or slower.



                            There are also too many other factors to consider:
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                            Rider muscle composition (stronger legs)
                            Cadence
                            Bike maintenance
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