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How to supply water to a coastal desert town with no rain and no freshwater aquifers?
What and how main technological breakthrough we have today could be replaced with magic?How would a town powered mainly by water work?How to bring water and heat to an isolated and poor mountain village with extremely low costs?How do you know an invisible person is near to you and catch him with day-to-day items?City on a Cloud - how to build an effective water supply?What are the most efficient sources of water and electricity in a vast desert?New Hologram World with touch and feel, Possible? Land, Water, Fire, Air, Sky with touch and feel Hologram?How much water is needed to create a Katana capable of cutting flesh, bones and wood?
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Think Tatooine in climate, but with oceans. Here are a few restrictions due to setting:
- There is modern technology, but not too much electricity ie no super high amperage machines.
- Population is small at first (only a couple hundred), but is growing since this town has a strong supply of water and other towns do not.
- There must be enough water for drinking, showering, and small amounts of farming. Fishing is the primary food source.
- The people are mostly very poor and shipping the water is not feasible except for the wealthiest members of the village (one of the themes here is the conflict this brings)
- The solution should be buildable by people without lots of money
Any suggestions re desalination, condensation, etc are welcome.
technology water
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Think Tatooine in climate, but with oceans. Here are a few restrictions due to setting:
- There is modern technology, but not too much electricity ie no super high amperage machines.
- Population is small at first (only a couple hundred), but is growing since this town has a strong supply of water and other towns do not.
- There must be enough water for drinking, showering, and small amounts of farming. Fishing is the primary food source.
- The people are mostly very poor and shipping the water is not feasible except for the wealthiest members of the village (one of the themes here is the conflict this brings)
- The solution should be buildable by people without lots of money
Any suggestions re desalination, condensation, etc are welcome.
technology water
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TBH this could have been a google search. That's what I did and found quite a few options. Something like this maybe: treehugger.com/clean-technology/…
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Looks to me like you answered your own question.
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Think Tatooine in climate, but with oceans. Here are a few restrictions due to setting:
- There is modern technology, but not too much electricity ie no super high amperage machines.
- Population is small at first (only a couple hundred), but is growing since this town has a strong supply of water and other towns do not.
- There must be enough water for drinking, showering, and small amounts of farming. Fishing is the primary food source.
- The people are mostly very poor and shipping the water is not feasible except for the wealthiest members of the village (one of the themes here is the conflict this brings)
- The solution should be buildable by people without lots of money
Any suggestions re desalination, condensation, etc are welcome.
technology water
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Think Tatooine in climate, but with oceans. Here are a few restrictions due to setting:
- There is modern technology, but not too much electricity ie no super high amperage machines.
- Population is small at first (only a couple hundred), but is growing since this town has a strong supply of water and other towns do not.
- There must be enough water for drinking, showering, and small amounts of farming. Fishing is the primary food source.
- The people are mostly very poor and shipping the water is not feasible except for the wealthiest members of the village (one of the themes here is the conflict this brings)
- The solution should be buildable by people without lots of money
Any suggestions re desalination, condensation, etc are welcome.
technology water
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TBH this could have been a google search. That's what I did and found quite a few options. Something like this maybe: treehugger.com/clean-technology/…
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– Morris The Cat
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Looks to me like you answered your own question.
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TBH this could have been a google search. That's what I did and found quite a few options. Something like this maybe: treehugger.com/clean-technology/…
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– Morris The Cat
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Looks to me like you answered your own question.
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TBH this could have been a google search. That's what I did and found quite a few options. Something like this maybe: treehugger.com/clean-technology/…
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TBH this could have been a google search. That's what I did and found quite a few options. Something like this maybe: treehugger.com/clean-technology/…
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Looks to me like you answered your own question.
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It's a coastal city with lots of sunshine in a modern setting. You have everything you need and more. All you have to do is desalinate the water and it's done. Took less than a minute research.
OK, you have to scale it a little better than in the link.
Channel the seawater to shallow fields, coated with water resistant foil to prevent seeping it to the ground. It should be a few cm water in each field. Transparent vinyl (or what it's called) close above it. It lets through the sunlight, speeding up the water evaporation. The vinyl catches the evaporated water droplets and with a slight tilt, they will flow to a prepared storage (or the agricultural fields). The salt remains, which they have to collect, but they can sell it for good money.
The amount of water is only dependent on the size of the fields.
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If you don’t have access to modern materials you can achieve much the same result with rows of appropriately shaped clay jugs. It’s less efficient but much easier to achieve.
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The idea is good, but the method described above would require huge facilities to yield enough water for farming. I think this link provides more options: Solar desalination
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– Alexander
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@Alexander I didn't dig deeply into the topic, I just remembered it from reading it in a novel (Release that Witch). You are right about farming. I didn't calculate yield or required area, just thought this method was the easiest. Thanks for the extra link!
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Add smart technology to the vinyl, you can; 1) Allow in or magnify the most efficient solar energy into the distiller and 2) add capillaries in the vinyl to prevent fresh water dripping back into briny water below, or use ventilation to pull off the water vapor before it collects. If this system was built on a hill, facing the sun, then you can trickle the water down constantly, ensuring its shallow enough to evaporate in a timely manor. Added benefit, you can then collect the brine and evaporate even further to extract the sea salt for trade.
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An extreme possibility, which requires some suspension of belief: This town lives in a small plain surrounded by mountains. Local winds bring heavy fog 24/7 which is trapped in large collector/condensers.
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Not that much suspension of disbelief. There are lizards and beetles that use exactly this tactic to survive in coastal areas where wind in the mornings draws (relatively) moist air over the dunes.
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This is a real thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
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Many forms of life rely on this very process. One place that comes to mind is the desert coast of Angola and Nambia )the desert names escape me right now) but it hardly ever rains there, and the life rely on morning fog to sustain them for the entire day.
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Well, even if there is almost no rain, there still may exist some rain. People can dig large holes or build containers in which they store water from rainy periods and use it along the year.
Also, it's possible for the desert to have underground water sources that can be accessed via wells.
One other thing that I could think is the use of plants. Desert plants are good at retaining water, so maybe you could have a special plant that can get water from very lower levels in the soil and be used as a water source.
Many of this can change according to other aspects of your geography, of course, like mountain ranges and hidden underground water sources.
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Qanats.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
A qanat or kariz is a gently sloping underground channel to transport
water from an aquifer or water well to surface for irrigation and
drinking, acting as an underground aqueduct. This is an old system of
water supply from a deep well with a series of vertical access shafts.
The qanats still create a reliable supply of water for human
settlements and irrigation in hot, arid, and semi-arid climates, but
the value of this system is directly related to the quality, volume,
and regularity of the water flow. Traditionally qanats are built by a
group of skilled laborers, muqannīs, with hand labor. The profession
historically paid well and was typically handed down from father to
son. According to most sources, the qanat technology was developed in
ancient Iran by the Persian people sometime in the early 1st
millennium BC...
Qanats are super duper cool. They are ancient engineering marvels which still do what they are supposed to do millennia later. These underground aqueducts move water from distant sources (often miles away!) to arid lands and offer a bunch of side benefits - in addition to clean water, qanats can provide cool air. Read on how having a qanat pass under your house offers cool air pulled up thru the house via a chimney.
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Behold! A time-tested method for desalinating water
Wiki how shows us a modern method similar to that I used as a teen in the Scouts. (Image from Wiki How.)
The process is simple: evaporate the salt water and let it condense on plastic, then drain the plastic someplace useful.
Here is a video showing how to do it with some plastic bottles found on the beach.
Here is a video showing a larger operation.
This system can be easily scaled so long as you can support whatever material is being used to condense the water. Honestly, it's conceivable you could do this over whole acres, letting in seawater through a gate and draining into a cistern.
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You linked the same thing I did, with embedded picture and extra videos. Great minds think alike! :P
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Assuming your oceans are salt water, these are a few ideas that occurred to me:
Use wide-bandgap semiconductors to perform photo-electrolysis -- separating the hydrogen and oxygen using photons ( 2 photons + 2 H2O -> 2 H2 + O2 ). This is a technical possibility today, the development to make it engineering solution is still in progress. Then, ignite the gases and you have pure H2O again.
Evaporators:
The village has dug channels for water at high tide to fill wide shallow ponds enclosed in plastic tarping. The heat of the sun evaporates the water, leaving the salt behind, then water is condensed in shaded metal tubes that act as heat exchangers -- looks like large stills
Orthographic lifting + modified natural caves + passive heat exchangers:
The village sits on a wide peninsula surrounded by mountains that funnel the air higher and higher to a canyon or pass at the top. The mountains are honeycombed with natural caves, that people extended using explosives so they open on the other side of the mountains. The moist winds cool as the rise and pressure drop -- a consequence of orthographic lifting -- and air going into the caves is cooled further. The water condenses in underground reservoirs. This all only works because of the strange and unique geography and limestone or sandstone mountains in this area.
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If the city is located close to the sea, the winds blowing from the sea inland will carry some humidity.
Overnight the falling temperatures can lead to the humidity condensing, therefore a series of drapes oriented parallel to the wind direction can act as condensing surface, letting then the water flow into channels to a reservoir.
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Actual solutions used in the coast of the Atacama desert:
Fog collection. The wind from the sea does bring some water, which you can collect, but it's limited, not very scalable.- Desalination of seawater is still expensive, not very scalable. You can lower standards (taste, purity) to get a little more water, which could fuel your conflicts. Military sea vessels get water through desalination, using a combo of temperature, osmosis and pressure (thanks to their engines).
Other:
- Pipes from oases.
- Underground streams.
- Water trucks.
All in all, current technology will limit your settlement's population, unless you can bring water with pipes or something else.
FWIW, cities in the Atacama desert rely on external sources, and need to ration water.
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It's a coastal city with lots of sunshine in a modern setting. You have everything you need and more. All you have to do is desalinate the water and it's done. Took less than a minute research.
OK, you have to scale it a little better than in the link.
Channel the seawater to shallow fields, coated with water resistant foil to prevent seeping it to the ground. It should be a few cm water in each field. Transparent vinyl (or what it's called) close above it. It lets through the sunlight, speeding up the water evaporation. The vinyl catches the evaporated water droplets and with a slight tilt, they will flow to a prepared storage (or the agricultural fields). The salt remains, which they have to collect, but they can sell it for good money.
The amount of water is only dependent on the size of the fields.
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If you don’t have access to modern materials you can achieve much the same result with rows of appropriately shaped clay jugs. It’s less efficient but much easier to achieve.
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– Joe Bloggs
8 hours ago
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The idea is good, but the method described above would require huge facilities to yield enough water for farming. I think this link provides more options: Solar desalination
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– Alexander
8 hours ago
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@Alexander I didn't dig deeply into the topic, I just remembered it from reading it in a novel (Release that Witch). You are right about farming. I didn't calculate yield or required area, just thought this method was the easiest. Thanks for the extra link!
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– Lupus
8 hours ago
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Add smart technology to the vinyl, you can; 1) Allow in or magnify the most efficient solar energy into the distiller and 2) add capillaries in the vinyl to prevent fresh water dripping back into briny water below, or use ventilation to pull off the water vapor before it collects. If this system was built on a hill, facing the sun, then you can trickle the water down constantly, ensuring its shallow enough to evaporate in a timely manor. Added benefit, you can then collect the brine and evaporate even further to extract the sea salt for trade.
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– Sonvar
3 hours ago
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It's a coastal city with lots of sunshine in a modern setting. You have everything you need and more. All you have to do is desalinate the water and it's done. Took less than a minute research.
OK, you have to scale it a little better than in the link.
Channel the seawater to shallow fields, coated with water resistant foil to prevent seeping it to the ground. It should be a few cm water in each field. Transparent vinyl (or what it's called) close above it. It lets through the sunlight, speeding up the water evaporation. The vinyl catches the evaporated water droplets and with a slight tilt, they will flow to a prepared storage (or the agricultural fields). The salt remains, which they have to collect, but they can sell it for good money.
The amount of water is only dependent on the size of the fields.
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If you don’t have access to modern materials you can achieve much the same result with rows of appropriately shaped clay jugs. It’s less efficient but much easier to achieve.
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– Joe Bloggs
8 hours ago
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The idea is good, but the method described above would require huge facilities to yield enough water for farming. I think this link provides more options: Solar desalination
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– Alexander
8 hours ago
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@Alexander I didn't dig deeply into the topic, I just remembered it from reading it in a novel (Release that Witch). You are right about farming. I didn't calculate yield or required area, just thought this method was the easiest. Thanks for the extra link!
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– Lupus
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Add smart technology to the vinyl, you can; 1) Allow in or magnify the most efficient solar energy into the distiller and 2) add capillaries in the vinyl to prevent fresh water dripping back into briny water below, or use ventilation to pull off the water vapor before it collects. If this system was built on a hill, facing the sun, then you can trickle the water down constantly, ensuring its shallow enough to evaporate in a timely manor. Added benefit, you can then collect the brine and evaporate even further to extract the sea salt for trade.
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– Sonvar
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It's a coastal city with lots of sunshine in a modern setting. You have everything you need and more. All you have to do is desalinate the water and it's done. Took less than a minute research.
OK, you have to scale it a little better than in the link.
Channel the seawater to shallow fields, coated with water resistant foil to prevent seeping it to the ground. It should be a few cm water in each field. Transparent vinyl (or what it's called) close above it. It lets through the sunlight, speeding up the water evaporation. The vinyl catches the evaporated water droplets and with a slight tilt, they will flow to a prepared storage (or the agricultural fields). The salt remains, which they have to collect, but they can sell it for good money.
The amount of water is only dependent on the size of the fields.
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It's a coastal city with lots of sunshine in a modern setting. You have everything you need and more. All you have to do is desalinate the water and it's done. Took less than a minute research.
OK, you have to scale it a little better than in the link.
Channel the seawater to shallow fields, coated with water resistant foil to prevent seeping it to the ground. It should be a few cm water in each field. Transparent vinyl (or what it's called) close above it. It lets through the sunlight, speeding up the water evaporation. The vinyl catches the evaporated water droplets and with a slight tilt, they will flow to a prepared storage (or the agricultural fields). The salt remains, which they have to collect, but they can sell it for good money.
The amount of water is only dependent on the size of the fields.
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If you don’t have access to modern materials you can achieve much the same result with rows of appropriately shaped clay jugs. It’s less efficient but much easier to achieve.
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– Joe Bloggs
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The idea is good, but the method described above would require huge facilities to yield enough water for farming. I think this link provides more options: Solar desalination
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– Alexander
8 hours ago
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@Alexander I didn't dig deeply into the topic, I just remembered it from reading it in a novel (Release that Witch). You are right about farming. I didn't calculate yield or required area, just thought this method was the easiest. Thanks for the extra link!
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– Lupus
8 hours ago
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Add smart technology to the vinyl, you can; 1) Allow in or magnify the most efficient solar energy into the distiller and 2) add capillaries in the vinyl to prevent fresh water dripping back into briny water below, or use ventilation to pull off the water vapor before it collects. If this system was built on a hill, facing the sun, then you can trickle the water down constantly, ensuring its shallow enough to evaporate in a timely manor. Added benefit, you can then collect the brine and evaporate even further to extract the sea salt for trade.
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If you don’t have access to modern materials you can achieve much the same result with rows of appropriately shaped clay jugs. It’s less efficient but much easier to achieve.
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– Joe Bloggs
8 hours ago
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The idea is good, but the method described above would require huge facilities to yield enough water for farming. I think this link provides more options: Solar desalination
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– Alexander
8 hours ago
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@Alexander I didn't dig deeply into the topic, I just remembered it from reading it in a novel (Release that Witch). You are right about farming. I didn't calculate yield or required area, just thought this method was the easiest. Thanks for the extra link!
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– Lupus
8 hours ago
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Add smart technology to the vinyl, you can; 1) Allow in or magnify the most efficient solar energy into the distiller and 2) add capillaries in the vinyl to prevent fresh water dripping back into briny water below, or use ventilation to pull off the water vapor before it collects. If this system was built on a hill, facing the sun, then you can trickle the water down constantly, ensuring its shallow enough to evaporate in a timely manor. Added benefit, you can then collect the brine and evaporate even further to extract the sea salt for trade.
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– Sonvar
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If you don’t have access to modern materials you can achieve much the same result with rows of appropriately shaped clay jugs. It’s less efficient but much easier to achieve.
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– Joe Bloggs
8 hours ago
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If you don’t have access to modern materials you can achieve much the same result with rows of appropriately shaped clay jugs. It’s less efficient but much easier to achieve.
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– Joe Bloggs
8 hours ago
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The idea is good, but the method described above would require huge facilities to yield enough water for farming. I think this link provides more options: Solar desalination
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– Alexander
8 hours ago
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The idea is good, but the method described above would require huge facilities to yield enough water for farming. I think this link provides more options: Solar desalination
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– Alexander
8 hours ago
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@Alexander I didn't dig deeply into the topic, I just remembered it from reading it in a novel (Release that Witch). You are right about farming. I didn't calculate yield or required area, just thought this method was the easiest. Thanks for the extra link!
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– Lupus
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@Alexander I didn't dig deeply into the topic, I just remembered it from reading it in a novel (Release that Witch). You are right about farming. I didn't calculate yield or required area, just thought this method was the easiest. Thanks for the extra link!
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– Lupus
8 hours ago
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Add smart technology to the vinyl, you can; 1) Allow in or magnify the most efficient solar energy into the distiller and 2) add capillaries in the vinyl to prevent fresh water dripping back into briny water below, or use ventilation to pull off the water vapor before it collects. If this system was built on a hill, facing the sun, then you can trickle the water down constantly, ensuring its shallow enough to evaporate in a timely manor. Added benefit, you can then collect the brine and evaporate even further to extract the sea salt for trade.
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– Sonvar
3 hours ago
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Add smart technology to the vinyl, you can; 1) Allow in or magnify the most efficient solar energy into the distiller and 2) add capillaries in the vinyl to prevent fresh water dripping back into briny water below, or use ventilation to pull off the water vapor before it collects. If this system was built on a hill, facing the sun, then you can trickle the water down constantly, ensuring its shallow enough to evaporate in a timely manor. Added benefit, you can then collect the brine and evaporate even further to extract the sea salt for trade.
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An extreme possibility, which requires some suspension of belief: This town lives in a small plain surrounded by mountains. Local winds bring heavy fog 24/7 which is trapped in large collector/condensers.
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Not that much suspension of disbelief. There are lizards and beetles that use exactly this tactic to survive in coastal areas where wind in the mornings draws (relatively) moist air over the dunes.
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– Joe Bloggs
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This is a real thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
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Many forms of life rely on this very process. One place that comes to mind is the desert coast of Angola and Nambia )the desert names escape me right now) but it hardly ever rains there, and the life rely on morning fog to sustain them for the entire day.
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An extreme possibility, which requires some suspension of belief: This town lives in a small plain surrounded by mountains. Local winds bring heavy fog 24/7 which is trapped in large collector/condensers.
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Not that much suspension of disbelief. There are lizards and beetles that use exactly this tactic to survive in coastal areas where wind in the mornings draws (relatively) moist air over the dunes.
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– Joe Bloggs
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This is a real thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
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Many forms of life rely on this very process. One place that comes to mind is the desert coast of Angola and Nambia )the desert names escape me right now) but it hardly ever rains there, and the life rely on morning fog to sustain them for the entire day.
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An extreme possibility, which requires some suspension of belief: This town lives in a small plain surrounded by mountains. Local winds bring heavy fog 24/7 which is trapped in large collector/condensers.
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An extreme possibility, which requires some suspension of belief: This town lives in a small plain surrounded by mountains. Local winds bring heavy fog 24/7 which is trapped in large collector/condensers.
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Not that much suspension of disbelief. There are lizards and beetles that use exactly this tactic to survive in coastal areas where wind in the mornings draws (relatively) moist air over the dunes.
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– Joe Bloggs
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This is a real thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
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– pluckedkiwi
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Many forms of life rely on this very process. One place that comes to mind is the desert coast of Angola and Nambia )the desert names escape me right now) but it hardly ever rains there, and the life rely on morning fog to sustain them for the entire day.
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Not that much suspension of disbelief. There are lizards and beetles that use exactly this tactic to survive in coastal areas where wind in the mornings draws (relatively) moist air over the dunes.
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– Joe Bloggs
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This is a real thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
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– pluckedkiwi
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Many forms of life rely on this very process. One place that comes to mind is the desert coast of Angola and Nambia )the desert names escape me right now) but it hardly ever rains there, and the life rely on morning fog to sustain them for the entire day.
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– Sonvar
3 hours ago
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Not that much suspension of disbelief. There are lizards and beetles that use exactly this tactic to survive in coastal areas where wind in the mornings draws (relatively) moist air over the dunes.
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– Joe Bloggs
8 hours ago
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Not that much suspension of disbelief. There are lizards and beetles that use exactly this tactic to survive in coastal areas where wind in the mornings draws (relatively) moist air over the dunes.
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– Joe Bloggs
8 hours ago
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This is a real thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
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– pluckedkiwi
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This is a real thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
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– pluckedkiwi
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Many forms of life rely on this very process. One place that comes to mind is the desert coast of Angola and Nambia )the desert names escape me right now) but it hardly ever rains there, and the life rely on morning fog to sustain them for the entire day.
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Many forms of life rely on this very process. One place that comes to mind is the desert coast of Angola and Nambia )the desert names escape me right now) but it hardly ever rains there, and the life rely on morning fog to sustain them for the entire day.
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Well, even if there is almost no rain, there still may exist some rain. People can dig large holes or build containers in which they store water from rainy periods and use it along the year.
Also, it's possible for the desert to have underground water sources that can be accessed via wells.
One other thing that I could think is the use of plants. Desert plants are good at retaining water, so maybe you could have a special plant that can get water from very lower levels in the soil and be used as a water source.
Many of this can change according to other aspects of your geography, of course, like mountain ranges and hidden underground water sources.
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Well, even if there is almost no rain, there still may exist some rain. People can dig large holes or build containers in which they store water from rainy periods and use it along the year.
Also, it's possible for the desert to have underground water sources that can be accessed via wells.
One other thing that I could think is the use of plants. Desert plants are good at retaining water, so maybe you could have a special plant that can get water from very lower levels in the soil and be used as a water source.
Many of this can change according to other aspects of your geography, of course, like mountain ranges and hidden underground water sources.
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Well, even if there is almost no rain, there still may exist some rain. People can dig large holes or build containers in which they store water from rainy periods and use it along the year.
Also, it's possible for the desert to have underground water sources that can be accessed via wells.
One other thing that I could think is the use of plants. Desert plants are good at retaining water, so maybe you could have a special plant that can get water from very lower levels in the soil and be used as a water source.
Many of this can change according to other aspects of your geography, of course, like mountain ranges and hidden underground water sources.
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Well, even if there is almost no rain, there still may exist some rain. People can dig large holes or build containers in which they store water from rainy periods and use it along the year.
Also, it's possible for the desert to have underground water sources that can be accessed via wells.
One other thing that I could think is the use of plants. Desert plants are good at retaining water, so maybe you could have a special plant that can get water from very lower levels in the soil and be used as a water source.
Many of this can change according to other aspects of your geography, of course, like mountain ranges and hidden underground water sources.
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Qanats.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
A qanat or kariz is a gently sloping underground channel to transport
water from an aquifer or water well to surface for irrigation and
drinking, acting as an underground aqueduct. This is an old system of
water supply from a deep well with a series of vertical access shafts.
The qanats still create a reliable supply of water for human
settlements and irrigation in hot, arid, and semi-arid climates, but
the value of this system is directly related to the quality, volume,
and regularity of the water flow. Traditionally qanats are built by a
group of skilled laborers, muqannīs, with hand labor. The profession
historically paid well and was typically handed down from father to
son. According to most sources, the qanat technology was developed in
ancient Iran by the Persian people sometime in the early 1st
millennium BC...
Qanats are super duper cool. They are ancient engineering marvels which still do what they are supposed to do millennia later. These underground aqueducts move water from distant sources (often miles away!) to arid lands and offer a bunch of side benefits - in addition to clean water, qanats can provide cool air. Read on how having a qanat pass under your house offers cool air pulled up thru the house via a chimney.
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Qanats.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
A qanat or kariz is a gently sloping underground channel to transport
water from an aquifer or water well to surface for irrigation and
drinking, acting as an underground aqueduct. This is an old system of
water supply from a deep well with a series of vertical access shafts.
The qanats still create a reliable supply of water for human
settlements and irrigation in hot, arid, and semi-arid climates, but
the value of this system is directly related to the quality, volume,
and regularity of the water flow. Traditionally qanats are built by a
group of skilled laborers, muqannīs, with hand labor. The profession
historically paid well and was typically handed down from father to
son. According to most sources, the qanat technology was developed in
ancient Iran by the Persian people sometime in the early 1st
millennium BC...
Qanats are super duper cool. They are ancient engineering marvels which still do what they are supposed to do millennia later. These underground aqueducts move water from distant sources (often miles away!) to arid lands and offer a bunch of side benefits - in addition to clean water, qanats can provide cool air. Read on how having a qanat pass under your house offers cool air pulled up thru the house via a chimney.
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Qanats.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
A qanat or kariz is a gently sloping underground channel to transport
water from an aquifer or water well to surface for irrigation and
drinking, acting as an underground aqueduct. This is an old system of
water supply from a deep well with a series of vertical access shafts.
The qanats still create a reliable supply of water for human
settlements and irrigation in hot, arid, and semi-arid climates, but
the value of this system is directly related to the quality, volume,
and regularity of the water flow. Traditionally qanats are built by a
group of skilled laborers, muqannīs, with hand labor. The profession
historically paid well and was typically handed down from father to
son. According to most sources, the qanat technology was developed in
ancient Iran by the Persian people sometime in the early 1st
millennium BC...
Qanats are super duper cool. They are ancient engineering marvels which still do what they are supposed to do millennia later. These underground aqueducts move water from distant sources (often miles away!) to arid lands and offer a bunch of side benefits - in addition to clean water, qanats can provide cool air. Read on how having a qanat pass under your house offers cool air pulled up thru the house via a chimney.
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Qanats.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
A qanat or kariz is a gently sloping underground channel to transport
water from an aquifer or water well to surface for irrigation and
drinking, acting as an underground aqueduct. This is an old system of
water supply from a deep well with a series of vertical access shafts.
The qanats still create a reliable supply of water for human
settlements and irrigation in hot, arid, and semi-arid climates, but
the value of this system is directly related to the quality, volume,
and regularity of the water flow. Traditionally qanats are built by a
group of skilled laborers, muqannīs, with hand labor. The profession
historically paid well and was typically handed down from father to
son. According to most sources, the qanat technology was developed in
ancient Iran by the Persian people sometime in the early 1st
millennium BC...
Qanats are super duper cool. They are ancient engineering marvels which still do what they are supposed to do millennia later. These underground aqueducts move water from distant sources (often miles away!) to arid lands and offer a bunch of side benefits - in addition to clean water, qanats can provide cool air. Read on how having a qanat pass under your house offers cool air pulled up thru the house via a chimney.
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Behold! A time-tested method for desalinating water
Wiki how shows us a modern method similar to that I used as a teen in the Scouts. (Image from Wiki How.)
The process is simple: evaporate the salt water and let it condense on plastic, then drain the plastic someplace useful.
Here is a video showing how to do it with some plastic bottles found on the beach.
Here is a video showing a larger operation.
This system can be easily scaled so long as you can support whatever material is being used to condense the water. Honestly, it's conceivable you could do this over whole acres, letting in seawater through a gate and draining into a cistern.
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You linked the same thing I did, with embedded picture and extra videos. Great minds think alike! :P
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Behold! A time-tested method for desalinating water
Wiki how shows us a modern method similar to that I used as a teen in the Scouts. (Image from Wiki How.)
The process is simple: evaporate the salt water and let it condense on plastic, then drain the plastic someplace useful.
Here is a video showing how to do it with some plastic bottles found on the beach.
Here is a video showing a larger operation.
This system can be easily scaled so long as you can support whatever material is being used to condense the water. Honestly, it's conceivable you could do this over whole acres, letting in seawater through a gate and draining into a cistern.
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You linked the same thing I did, with embedded picture and extra videos. Great minds think alike! :P
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– Lupus
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Behold! A time-tested method for desalinating water
Wiki how shows us a modern method similar to that I used as a teen in the Scouts. (Image from Wiki How.)
The process is simple: evaporate the salt water and let it condense on plastic, then drain the plastic someplace useful.
Here is a video showing how to do it with some plastic bottles found on the beach.
Here is a video showing a larger operation.
This system can be easily scaled so long as you can support whatever material is being used to condense the water. Honestly, it's conceivable you could do this over whole acres, letting in seawater through a gate and draining into a cistern.
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Behold! A time-tested method for desalinating water
Wiki how shows us a modern method similar to that I used as a teen in the Scouts. (Image from Wiki How.)
The process is simple: evaporate the salt water and let it condense on plastic, then drain the plastic someplace useful.
Here is a video showing how to do it with some plastic bottles found on the beach.
Here is a video showing a larger operation.
This system can be easily scaled so long as you can support whatever material is being used to condense the water. Honestly, it's conceivable you could do this over whole acres, letting in seawater through a gate and draining into a cistern.
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You linked the same thing I did, with embedded picture and extra videos. Great minds think alike! :P
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You linked the same thing I did, with embedded picture and extra videos. Great minds think alike! :P
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– Lupus
3 hours ago
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You linked the same thing I did, with embedded picture and extra videos. Great minds think alike! :P
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– Lupus
3 hours ago
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You linked the same thing I did, with embedded picture and extra videos. Great minds think alike! :P
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Assuming your oceans are salt water, these are a few ideas that occurred to me:
Use wide-bandgap semiconductors to perform photo-electrolysis -- separating the hydrogen and oxygen using photons ( 2 photons + 2 H2O -> 2 H2 + O2 ). This is a technical possibility today, the development to make it engineering solution is still in progress. Then, ignite the gases and you have pure H2O again.
Evaporators:
The village has dug channels for water at high tide to fill wide shallow ponds enclosed in plastic tarping. The heat of the sun evaporates the water, leaving the salt behind, then water is condensed in shaded metal tubes that act as heat exchangers -- looks like large stills
Orthographic lifting + modified natural caves + passive heat exchangers:
The village sits on a wide peninsula surrounded by mountains that funnel the air higher and higher to a canyon or pass at the top. The mountains are honeycombed with natural caves, that people extended using explosives so they open on the other side of the mountains. The moist winds cool as the rise and pressure drop -- a consequence of orthographic lifting -- and air going into the caves is cooled further. The water condenses in underground reservoirs. This all only works because of the strange and unique geography and limestone or sandstone mountains in this area.
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Assuming your oceans are salt water, these are a few ideas that occurred to me:
Use wide-bandgap semiconductors to perform photo-electrolysis -- separating the hydrogen and oxygen using photons ( 2 photons + 2 H2O -> 2 H2 + O2 ). This is a technical possibility today, the development to make it engineering solution is still in progress. Then, ignite the gases and you have pure H2O again.
Evaporators:
The village has dug channels for water at high tide to fill wide shallow ponds enclosed in plastic tarping. The heat of the sun evaporates the water, leaving the salt behind, then water is condensed in shaded metal tubes that act as heat exchangers -- looks like large stills
Orthographic lifting + modified natural caves + passive heat exchangers:
The village sits on a wide peninsula surrounded by mountains that funnel the air higher and higher to a canyon or pass at the top. The mountains are honeycombed with natural caves, that people extended using explosives so they open on the other side of the mountains. The moist winds cool as the rise and pressure drop -- a consequence of orthographic lifting -- and air going into the caves is cooled further. The water condenses in underground reservoirs. This all only works because of the strange and unique geography and limestone or sandstone mountains in this area.
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Assuming your oceans are salt water, these are a few ideas that occurred to me:
Use wide-bandgap semiconductors to perform photo-electrolysis -- separating the hydrogen and oxygen using photons ( 2 photons + 2 H2O -> 2 H2 + O2 ). This is a technical possibility today, the development to make it engineering solution is still in progress. Then, ignite the gases and you have pure H2O again.
Evaporators:
The village has dug channels for water at high tide to fill wide shallow ponds enclosed in plastic tarping. The heat of the sun evaporates the water, leaving the salt behind, then water is condensed in shaded metal tubes that act as heat exchangers -- looks like large stills
Orthographic lifting + modified natural caves + passive heat exchangers:
The village sits on a wide peninsula surrounded by mountains that funnel the air higher and higher to a canyon or pass at the top. The mountains are honeycombed with natural caves, that people extended using explosives so they open on the other side of the mountains. The moist winds cool as the rise and pressure drop -- a consequence of orthographic lifting -- and air going into the caves is cooled further. The water condenses in underground reservoirs. This all only works because of the strange and unique geography and limestone or sandstone mountains in this area.
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Assuming your oceans are salt water, these are a few ideas that occurred to me:
Use wide-bandgap semiconductors to perform photo-electrolysis -- separating the hydrogen and oxygen using photons ( 2 photons + 2 H2O -> 2 H2 + O2 ). This is a technical possibility today, the development to make it engineering solution is still in progress. Then, ignite the gases and you have pure H2O again.
Evaporators:
The village has dug channels for water at high tide to fill wide shallow ponds enclosed in plastic tarping. The heat of the sun evaporates the water, leaving the salt behind, then water is condensed in shaded metal tubes that act as heat exchangers -- looks like large stills
Orthographic lifting + modified natural caves + passive heat exchangers:
The village sits on a wide peninsula surrounded by mountains that funnel the air higher and higher to a canyon or pass at the top. The mountains are honeycombed with natural caves, that people extended using explosives so they open on the other side of the mountains. The moist winds cool as the rise and pressure drop -- a consequence of orthographic lifting -- and air going into the caves is cooled further. The water condenses in underground reservoirs. This all only works because of the strange and unique geography and limestone or sandstone mountains in this area.
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If the city is located close to the sea, the winds blowing from the sea inland will carry some humidity.
Overnight the falling temperatures can lead to the humidity condensing, therefore a series of drapes oriented parallel to the wind direction can act as condensing surface, letting then the water flow into channels to a reservoir.
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If the city is located close to the sea, the winds blowing from the sea inland will carry some humidity.
Overnight the falling temperatures can lead to the humidity condensing, therefore a series of drapes oriented parallel to the wind direction can act as condensing surface, letting then the water flow into channels to a reservoir.
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If the city is located close to the sea, the winds blowing from the sea inland will carry some humidity.
Overnight the falling temperatures can lead to the humidity condensing, therefore a series of drapes oriented parallel to the wind direction can act as condensing surface, letting then the water flow into channels to a reservoir.
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If the city is located close to the sea, the winds blowing from the sea inland will carry some humidity.
Overnight the falling temperatures can lead to the humidity condensing, therefore a series of drapes oriented parallel to the wind direction can act as condensing surface, letting then the water flow into channels to a reservoir.
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Actual solutions used in the coast of the Atacama desert:
Fog collection. The wind from the sea does bring some water, which you can collect, but it's limited, not very scalable.- Desalination of seawater is still expensive, not very scalable. You can lower standards (taste, purity) to get a little more water, which could fuel your conflicts. Military sea vessels get water through desalination, using a combo of temperature, osmosis and pressure (thanks to their engines).
Other:
- Pipes from oases.
- Underground streams.
- Water trucks.
All in all, current technology will limit your settlement's population, unless you can bring water with pipes or something else.
FWIW, cities in the Atacama desert rely on external sources, and need to ration water.
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Actual solutions used in the coast of the Atacama desert:
Fog collection. The wind from the sea does bring some water, which you can collect, but it's limited, not very scalable.- Desalination of seawater is still expensive, not very scalable. You can lower standards (taste, purity) to get a little more water, which could fuel your conflicts. Military sea vessels get water through desalination, using a combo of temperature, osmosis and pressure (thanks to their engines).
Other:
- Pipes from oases.
- Underground streams.
- Water trucks.
All in all, current technology will limit your settlement's population, unless you can bring water with pipes or something else.
FWIW, cities in the Atacama desert rely on external sources, and need to ration water.
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Actual solutions used in the coast of the Atacama desert:
Fog collection. The wind from the sea does bring some water, which you can collect, but it's limited, not very scalable.- Desalination of seawater is still expensive, not very scalable. You can lower standards (taste, purity) to get a little more water, which could fuel your conflicts. Military sea vessels get water through desalination, using a combo of temperature, osmosis and pressure (thanks to their engines).
Other:
- Pipes from oases.
- Underground streams.
- Water trucks.
All in all, current technology will limit your settlement's population, unless you can bring water with pipes or something else.
FWIW, cities in the Atacama desert rely on external sources, and need to ration water.
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Actual solutions used in the coast of the Atacama desert:
Fog collection. The wind from the sea does bring some water, which you can collect, but it's limited, not very scalable.- Desalination of seawater is still expensive, not very scalable. You can lower standards (taste, purity) to get a little more water, which could fuel your conflicts. Military sea vessels get water through desalination, using a combo of temperature, osmosis and pressure (thanks to their engines).
Other:
- Pipes from oases.
- Underground streams.
- Water trucks.
All in all, current technology will limit your settlement's population, unless you can bring water with pipes or something else.
FWIW, cities in the Atacama desert rely on external sources, and need to ration water.
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TBH this could have been a google search. That's what I did and found quite a few options. Something like this maybe: treehugger.com/clean-technology/…
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Looks to me like you answered your own question.
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