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The entry for the Amulet of Proof Against Detection and Location states:

While wearing this amulet, you are hidden from divination magic. You can't be targeted by such magic or perceived through magical scrying sensors.

Comprehend Languages is a divination spell, so would a person wearing this amulet be unaffected by it?

For example, my character overhears a conversation in a language they don't normally speak, so they cast Comprehend Languages. However, one of the people in the conversation is wearing an APADL. Would they be able to understand this person?

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The entry for the Amulet of Proof Against Detection and Location states:

While wearing this amulet, you are hidden from divination magic. You can't be targeted by such magic or perceived through magical scrying sensors.

Comprehend Languages is a divination spell, so would a person wearing this amulet be unaffected by it?

For example, my character overhears a conversation in a language they don't normally speak, so they cast Comprehend Languages. However, one of the people in the conversation is wearing an APADL. Would they be able to understand this person?

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The entry for the Amulet of Proof Against Detection and Location states:

While wearing this amulet, you are hidden from divination magic. You can't be targeted by such magic or perceived through magical scrying sensors.

Comprehend Languages is a divination spell, so would a person wearing this amulet be unaffected by it?

For example, my character overhears a conversation in a language they don't normally speak, so they cast Comprehend Languages. However, one of the people in the conversation is wearing an APADL. Would they be able to understand this person?

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Amulet doesn't interact with comprehend languages

The spell comprehend languages utilizes a target of self that allows you to:

...understand the literal meaning of any spoken language that you hear.

You are the target of the spell and you are able to understand the languages being spoken around you.

The amulet is specific in that:

You can't be targeted by such magic or perceived through magical scrying sensors.

Since you are not targeting the speaker with that spell but yourself, the speaker is not protected from your eavesdropping.

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  This isn't quite as cut-and-dry as it seems. JC has stated (unofficially, on Twitter) that Nondetection protects a target from being perceived by a creature with a True Seeing spell on them, even though the only explicit "target" of True Seeing is the creature doing the seeing. (See here).
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  @RyanThompson Ah, but now you're specifically getting into detection - which is the Amulet's bailywick. This isn't detecting, this is just translating.
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  My point is that JC's ruling implies that looking at someone with True Seeing active effectively counts as "targeting" them with your truesight, or else it doesn't make sense that Nondetection would protect them from it. So if they are protected from this "targeting", which is just looking with magical truesight, then it might also make sense that they are protected from listening with Comprehend Languages.
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Comprehend Languages has a range of self so you're not targeting the person wearing the amulet in your example, you're targeting yourself. Since you're not targeting the wearer of the amulet nor are you using a scrying sensor (you're using your own senses here) you would be able to understand them yes.

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Amulet doesn't interact with comprehend languages

The spell comprehend languages utilizes a target of self that allows you to:

...understand the literal meaning of any spoken language that you hear.

You are the target of the spell and you are able to understand the languages being spoken around you.

The amulet is specific in that:

You can't be targeted by such magic or perceived through magical scrying sensors.

Since you are not targeting the speaker with that spell but yourself, the speaker is not protected from your eavesdropping.

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  This isn't quite as cut-and-dry as it seems. JC has stated (unofficially, on Twitter) that Nondetection protects a target from being perceived by a creature with a True Seeing spell on them, even though the only explicit "target" of True Seeing is the creature doing the seeing. (See here).
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  Unrelated to my other comment, but in the interest of answering the more general question in the title, it might also be worth exploring what happens when the wearer of the amulet casts Comprehend Languages.
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  @RyanThompson Ah, but now you're specifically getting into detection - which is the Amulet's bailywick. This isn't detecting, this is just translating.
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  My point is that JC's ruling implies that looking at someone with True Seeing active effectively counts as "targeting" them with your truesight, or else it doesn't make sense that Nondetection would protect them from it. So if they are protected from this "targeting", which is just looking with magical truesight, then it might also make sense that they are protected from listening with Comprehend Languages.
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  @RyanThompson That's why his tweets are frustrating to me and I'm tending to steer clear of them. I don't want to guess at his rationale to use in other circumstances, so I'll just try and come up with a rationale that fits the rules.
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Amulet doesn't interact with comprehend languages

The spell comprehend languages utilizes a target of self that allows you to:

...understand the literal meaning of any spoken language that you hear.

You are the target of the spell and you are able to understand the languages being spoken around you.

The amulet is specific in that:

You can't be targeted by such magic or perceived through magical scrying sensors.

Since you are not targeting the speaker with that spell but yourself, the speaker is not protected from your eavesdropping.

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  This isn't quite as cut-and-dry as it seems. JC has stated (unofficially, on Twitter) that Nondetection protects a target from being perceived by a creature with a True Seeing spell on them, even though the only explicit "target" of True Seeing is the creature doing the seeing. (See here).
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  Unrelated to my other comment, but in the interest of answering the more general question in the title, it might also be worth exploring what happens when the wearer of the amulet casts Comprehend Languages.
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  @RyanThompson Ah, but now you're specifically getting into detection - which is the Amulet's bailywick. This isn't detecting, this is just translating.
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  My point is that JC's ruling implies that looking at someone with True Seeing active effectively counts as "targeting" them with your truesight, or else it doesn't make sense that Nondetection would protect them from it. So if they are protected from this "targeting", which is just looking with magical truesight, then it might also make sense that they are protected from listening with Comprehend Languages.
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  @RyanThompson That's why his tweets are frustrating to me and I'm tending to steer clear of them. I don't want to guess at his rationale to use in other circumstances, so I'll just try and come up with a rationale that fits the rules.
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Amulet doesn't interact with comprehend languages

The spell comprehend languages utilizes a target of self that allows you to:

...understand the literal meaning of any spoken language that you hear.

You are the target of the spell and you are able to understand the languages being spoken around you.

The amulet is specific in that:

You can't be targeted by such magic or perceived through magical scrying sensors.

Since you are not targeting the speaker with that spell but yourself, the speaker is not protected from your eavesdropping.

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Comprehend Languages has a range of self so you're not targeting the person wearing the amulet in your example, you're targeting yourself. Since you're not targeting the wearer of the amulet nor are you using a scrying sensor (you're using your own senses here) you would be able to understand them yes.

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Comprehend Languages has a range of self so you're not targeting the person wearing the amulet in your example, you're targeting yourself. Since you're not targeting the wearer of the amulet nor are you using a scrying sensor (you're using your own senses here) you would be able to understand them yes.

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Comprehend Languages has a range of self so you're not targeting the person wearing the amulet in your example, you're targeting yourself. Since you're not targeting the wearer of the amulet nor are you using a scrying sensor (you're using your own senses here) you would be able to understand them yes.

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