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Integral of the integral using NIntegrate


NIntegrate inside NSumNested Nintegrate - two variable limits of integralNIntegrate giving error NIntegrate::nlimDivergence With NIntegrateEvaluating this double integral numerically using NIntegrateNIntegrate::slwcon, NIntegrate::eincr and Set::wrsym problemsQuestion regarding NIntegrate using the Arg functionNumerical integration gives errors NIntegrate::slwcon: and Integrate::eincr:Integration issue with Nintegrate over finite boundsNIntegrate failed to converge to prescribed accuracy for an Integral function with several singular points






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Consider the integral



NIntegrate[Exp[-NIntegrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


It displays an error x = y is not a valid limit of integration, however, gives some number. What is a reason for the error and how to interpret the numeric result?



Of course, I can easily replace the integration symbol in the exponent by the value of the integral, however, this is only a toy example demonstrating the problem.










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    Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable.
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    – David G. Stork
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    @DavidG.Stork : however, it turned out that Mathematica gives the correct answer. Why this is possible?
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    – John Taylor
    8 hours ago






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    Hmmm.... a tricky question about the internal methods of Mathematica. Frankly, I don't know why the correct answer is given (despite the error messages).
    $endgroup$
    – David G. Stork
    8 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    Mathematica does not have to evaluate the integrand symbolically, in order to apply numerical quadrature. However, it does so usually in order to analyze the integrand. If it fails, it throws an error and tries purely numerical methods. This why it works in the end.
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    – Henrik Schumacher
    7 hours ago


















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$begingroup$


Consider the integral



NIntegrate[Exp[-NIntegrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


It displays an error x = y is not a valid limit of integration, however, gives some number. What is a reason for the error and how to interpret the numeric result?



Of course, I can easily replace the integration symbol in the exponent by the value of the integral, however, this is only a toy example demonstrating the problem.










share|improve this question











$endgroup$







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable.
    $endgroup$
    – David G. Stork
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @DavidG.Stork : however, it turned out that Mathematica gives the correct answer. Why this is possible?
    $endgroup$
    – John Taylor
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Hmmm.... a tricky question about the internal methods of Mathematica. Frankly, I don't know why the correct answer is given (despite the error messages).
    $endgroup$
    – David G. Stork
    8 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Mathematica does not have to evaluate the integrand symbolically, in order to apply numerical quadrature. However, it does so usually in order to analyze the integrand. If it fails, it throws an error and tries purely numerical methods. This why it works in the end.
    $endgroup$
    – Henrik Schumacher
    7 hours ago














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$begingroup$


Consider the integral



NIntegrate[Exp[-NIntegrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


It displays an error x = y is not a valid limit of integration, however, gives some number. What is a reason for the error and how to interpret the numeric result?



Of course, I can easily replace the integration symbol in the exponent by the value of the integral, however, this is only a toy example demonstrating the problem.










share|improve this question











$endgroup$




Consider the integral



NIntegrate[Exp[-NIntegrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


It displays an error x = y is not a valid limit of integration, however, gives some number. What is a reason for the error and how to interpret the numeric result?



Of course, I can easily replace the integration symbol in the exponent by the value of the integral, however, this is only a toy example demonstrating the problem.







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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable.
    $endgroup$
    – David G. Stork
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @DavidG.Stork : however, it turned out that Mathematica gives the correct answer. Why this is possible?
    $endgroup$
    – John Taylor
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Hmmm.... a tricky question about the internal methods of Mathematica. Frankly, I don't know why the correct answer is given (despite the error messages).
    $endgroup$
    – David G. Stork
    8 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Mathematica does not have to evaluate the integrand symbolically, in order to apply numerical quadrature. However, it does so usually in order to analyze the integrand. If it fails, it throws an error and tries purely numerical methods. This why it works in the end.
    $endgroup$
    – Henrik Schumacher
    7 hours ago













  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable.
    $endgroup$
    – David G. Stork
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @DavidG.Stork : however, it turned out that Mathematica gives the correct answer. Why this is possible?
    $endgroup$
    – John Taylor
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Hmmm.... a tricky question about the internal methods of Mathematica. Frankly, I don't know why the correct answer is given (despite the error messages).
    $endgroup$
    – David G. Stork
    8 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Mathematica does not have to evaluate the integrand symbolically, in order to apply numerical quadrature. However, it does so usually in order to analyze the integrand. If it fails, it throws an error and tries purely numerical methods. This why it works in the end.
    $endgroup$
    – Henrik Schumacher
    7 hours ago








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$begingroup$
Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable.
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable.
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
8 hours ago












$begingroup$
@DavidG.Stork : however, it turned out that Mathematica gives the correct answer. Why this is possible?
$endgroup$
– John Taylor
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
@DavidG.Stork : however, it turned out that Mathematica gives the correct answer. Why this is possible?
$endgroup$
– John Taylor
8 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
Hmmm.... a tricky question about the internal methods of Mathematica. Frankly, I don't know why the correct answer is given (despite the error messages).
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
Hmmm.... a tricky question about the internal methods of Mathematica. Frankly, I don't know why the correct answer is given (despite the error messages).
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
8 hours ago




2




2




$begingroup$
Mathematica does not have to evaluate the integrand symbolically, in order to apply numerical quadrature. However, it does so usually in order to analyze the integrand. If it fails, it throws an error and tries purely numerical methods. This why it works in the end.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
7 hours ago





$begingroup$
Mathematica does not have to evaluate the integrand symbolically, in order to apply numerical quadrature. However, it does so usually in order to analyze the integrand. If it fails, it throws an error and tries purely numerical methods. This why it works in the end.
$endgroup$
– Henrik Schumacher
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f[y_?NumericQ] := Exp[-NIntegrate[x, x, 0, y]];
NIntegrate[f[y], y, 0, 2.8]





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    Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable, $y$.



    Why not simply perform the analytic integrals and be done with it?



    Integrate[Exp[-Integrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


    $1.24691$






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            Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable, $y$.



            Why not simply perform the analytic integrals and be done with it?



            Integrate[Exp[-Integrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


            $1.24691$






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              I have used this simple integral as an example. Realistic integrals I want to use are much more complicated.
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            $begingroup$

            Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable, $y$.



            Why not simply perform the analytic integrals and be done with it?



            Integrate[Exp[-Integrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


            $1.24691$






            share|improve this answer









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              I have used this simple integral as an example. Realistic integrals I want to use are much more complicated.
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            $begingroup$

            Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable, $y$.



            Why not simply perform the analytic integrals and be done with it?



            Integrate[Exp[-Integrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


            $1.24691$






            share|improve this answer









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            Of course you cannot perform the inner numerical integral with an un-specified (free) variable, $y$.



            Why not simply perform the analytic integrals and be done with it?



            Integrate[Exp[-Integrate[x, x, 0, y]], y, 0, 2.8]


            $1.24691$







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