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What did G-d do before Creation?


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Is it possible to know what G-d was doing before this creation?



While, as Maimonides states, that we cannot know anything about G-d except for what G-d is not (G-d has no body and is one), nevertheless, I think the question remains, and can be boiled down to this: are there any sources explaining what G-d might have done before creation of the world (i.e. was G-d forming past worlds in an endless cycle, as in preforming His creative energy?) Think of reincarnation but on a larger scale, namely, the universe. Indeed some scientists think this was the case before the Big Bang. If true, it would entail that this world-building will continue to occur. What were our sages' opinions regarding this?










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  • Proverbs 8:22-31 with commentators is a good source to look at in this context

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    Accordingly the midrash states that, "G-d built worlds and destroyed them" prior to the creation of our present universe. The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 explains that there were created and destroyed 974 worlds.

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Is it possible to know what G-d was doing before this creation?



While, as Maimonides states, that we cannot know anything about G-d except for what G-d is not (G-d has no body and is one), nevertheless, I think the question remains, and can be boiled down to this: are there any sources explaining what G-d might have done before creation of the world (i.e. was G-d forming past worlds in an endless cycle, as in preforming His creative energy?) Think of reincarnation but on a larger scale, namely, the universe. Indeed some scientists think this was the case before the Big Bang. If true, it would entail that this world-building will continue to occur. What were our sages' opinions regarding this?










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  • To see the same question posed to the Moslems, click here: islam.stackexchange.com/questions/52152/…

    – Turk Hill
    8 hours ago












  • Proverbs 8:22-31 with commentators is a good source to look at in this context

    – b a
    8 hours ago






  • 4





    Isn't the entire idea of time and "doing" not relevant to the nature of God? Aren't we just imposing our human notion of staying busy over linear moments onto the infinite and ineffable?

    – rosends
    8 hours ago











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    7 hours ago






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    Accordingly the midrash states that, "G-d built worlds and destroyed them" prior to the creation of our present universe. The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 explains that there were created and destroyed 974 worlds.

    – Turk Hill
    6 hours ago













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Is it possible to know what G-d was doing before this creation?



While, as Maimonides states, that we cannot know anything about G-d except for what G-d is not (G-d has no body and is one), nevertheless, I think the question remains, and can be boiled down to this: are there any sources explaining what G-d might have done before creation of the world (i.e. was G-d forming past worlds in an endless cycle, as in preforming His creative energy?) Think of reincarnation but on a larger scale, namely, the universe. Indeed some scientists think this was the case before the Big Bang. If true, it would entail that this world-building will continue to occur. What were our sages' opinions regarding this?










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Is it possible to know what G-d was doing before this creation?



While, as Maimonides states, that we cannot know anything about G-d except for what G-d is not (G-d has no body and is one), nevertheless, I think the question remains, and can be boiled down to this: are there any sources explaining what G-d might have done before creation of the world (i.e. was G-d forming past worlds in an endless cycle, as in preforming His creative energy?) Think of reincarnation but on a larger scale, namely, the universe. Indeed some scientists think this was the case before the Big Bang. If true, it would entail that this world-building will continue to occur. What were our sages' opinions regarding this?







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  • Proverbs 8:22-31 with commentators is a good source to look at in this context

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    Isn't the entire idea of time and "doing" not relevant to the nature of God? Aren't we just imposing our human notion of staying busy over linear moments onto the infinite and ineffable?

    – rosends
    8 hours ago











  • בראש יתברא 4 left

    – Dr. Shmuel
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    Accordingly the midrash states that, "G-d built worlds and destroyed them" prior to the creation of our present universe. The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 explains that there were created and destroyed 974 worlds.

    – Turk Hill
    6 hours ago

















  • To see the same question posed to the Moslems, click here: islam.stackexchange.com/questions/52152/…

    – Turk Hill
    8 hours ago












  • Proverbs 8:22-31 with commentators is a good source to look at in this context

    – b a
    8 hours ago






  • 4





    Isn't the entire idea of time and "doing" not relevant to the nature of God? Aren't we just imposing our human notion of staying busy over linear moments onto the infinite and ineffable?

    – rosends
    8 hours ago











  • בראש יתברא 4 left

    – Dr. Shmuel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Accordingly the midrash states that, "G-d built worlds and destroyed them" prior to the creation of our present universe. The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 explains that there were created and destroyed 974 worlds.

    – Turk Hill
    6 hours ago
















To see the same question posed to the Moslems, click here: islam.stackexchange.com/questions/52152/…

– Turk Hill
8 hours ago






To see the same question posed to the Moslems, click here: islam.stackexchange.com/questions/52152/…

– Turk Hill
8 hours ago














Proverbs 8:22-31 with commentators is a good source to look at in this context

– b a
8 hours ago





Proverbs 8:22-31 with commentators is a good source to look at in this context

– b a
8 hours ago




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Isn't the entire idea of time and "doing" not relevant to the nature of God? Aren't we just imposing our human notion of staying busy over linear moments onto the infinite and ineffable?

– rosends
8 hours ago





Isn't the entire idea of time and "doing" not relevant to the nature of God? Aren't we just imposing our human notion of staying busy over linear moments onto the infinite and ineffable?

– rosends
8 hours ago













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Accordingly the midrash states that, "G-d built worlds and destroyed them" prior to the creation of our present universe. The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 explains that there were created and destroyed 974 worlds.

– Turk Hill
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Accordingly the midrash states that, "G-d built worlds and destroyed them" prior to the creation of our present universe. The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 explains that there were created and destroyed 974 worlds.

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I could point you to Shabbos 88b below, but please clarify if you are asking about what occurred prior to 974 generations before the creation of the world.




ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי בשעה שעלה משה למרום אמרו מלאכי השרת לפני הקדוש
ברוך הוא רבונו של עולם מה לילוד אשה בינינו אמר להן לקבל תורה בא אמרו
לפניו חמודה גנוזה שגנוזה לך תשע מאות ושבעים וארבעה דורות קודם שנברא
העולם אתה מבקש ליתנה לבשר ודם מה אנוש כי תזכרנו ובן אדם כי תפקדנו ה׳
אדנינו מה אדיר שמך בכל הארץ אשר תנה הודך על השמים



And Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: When Moses ascended on High to
receive the Torah, the ministering angels said before the Holy One,
Blessed be He: Master of the Universe, what is one born of a woman
doing here among us? The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to them: He
came to receive the Torah. The angels said before Him: The Torah is a
hidden treasure that was concealed by you 974 generations before the
creation of the world
, and you seek to give it to flesh and blood? As
it is stated: “The word which He commanded to a thousand generations”
(Psalms 105:8). Since the Torah, the word of God, was given to the
twenty-sixth generation after Adam, the first man, the remaining 974
generations must have preceded the creation of the world. “What is man
that You are mindful of him and the son of man that You think of him?”
(Psalms 8:5). Rather, “God our Lord, how glorious is Your name in all
the earth that Your majesty is placed above the heavens” (Psalms 8:2).
The rightful place of God’s majesty, the Torah, is in the heavens.







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This is one of the topics that one should avoid discussing. See Mishna Chagiga 2:1, 11b in the Talmud:




אֵין דּוֹרְשִׁין בַּעֲרָיוֹת בִּשְׁלֹשָׁה. וְלֹא בְמַעֲשֵׂה בְרֵאשִׁית
בִּשְׁנַיִם. וְלֹא בַמֶּרְכָּבָה בְּיָחִיד, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הָיָה
חָכָם וּמֵבִין מִדַּעְתּוֹ. כָּל הַמִּסְתַּכֵּל בְּאַרְבָּעָה
דְּבָרִים, רָאוּי לוֹ כְּאִלּוּ לֹא בָּא לָעוֹלָם, מַה לְּמַעְלָה, מַה
לְּמַטָּה, מַה לְּפָנִים, וּמַה לְּאָחוֹר. וְכָל שֶׁלֹּא חָס עַל
כְּבוֹד קוֹנוֹ, רָאוּי לוֹ שֶׁלֹּא בָּא לָעוֹלָם:



They may not expound upon the subject of forbidden relations in the
presence of three. Nor the work of creation in the presence of two.
Nor [the work of] the chariot in the presence of one, unless he is a
sage and understands of his own knowledge. Whoever speculates upon
four things, it would have been better had he not come into the world:
what is above, what is beneath, what came before, and what came after.
And whoever takes no thought for the honor of his creator, it would
have been better had he not come into the world.







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  • Maimonides felt that the world could have been created from nothingness - ex nehilo or pre-existing matter. I think he believed in the latter.

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I could point you to Shabbos 88b below, but please clarify if you are asking about what occurred prior to 974 generations before the creation of the world.




ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי בשעה שעלה משה למרום אמרו מלאכי השרת לפני הקדוש
ברוך הוא רבונו של עולם מה לילוד אשה בינינו אמר להן לקבל תורה בא אמרו
לפניו חמודה גנוזה שגנוזה לך תשע מאות ושבעים וארבעה דורות קודם שנברא
העולם אתה מבקש ליתנה לבשר ודם מה אנוש כי תזכרנו ובן אדם כי תפקדנו ה׳
אדנינו מה אדיר שמך בכל הארץ אשר תנה הודך על השמים



And Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: When Moses ascended on High to
receive the Torah, the ministering angels said before the Holy One,
Blessed be He: Master of the Universe, what is one born of a woman
doing here among us? The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to them: He
came to receive the Torah. The angels said before Him: The Torah is a
hidden treasure that was concealed by you 974 generations before the
creation of the world
, and you seek to give it to flesh and blood? As
it is stated: “The word which He commanded to a thousand generations”
(Psalms 105:8). Since the Torah, the word of God, was given to the
twenty-sixth generation after Adam, the first man, the remaining 974
generations must have preceded the creation of the world. “What is man
that You are mindful of him and the son of man that You think of him?”
(Psalms 8:5). Rather, “God our Lord, how glorious is Your name in all
the earth that Your majesty is placed above the heavens” (Psalms 8:2).
The rightful place of God’s majesty, the Torah, is in the heavens.







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    This is a good answer. Thank you and upvote.

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    7 hours ago











  • 974 Generations of what exactly?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago






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    974 generations refer to pre-Adam Hominids. They were also 974 worlds according to the Midrash.

    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago















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I could point you to Shabbos 88b below, but please clarify if you are asking about what occurred prior to 974 generations before the creation of the world.




ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי בשעה שעלה משה למרום אמרו מלאכי השרת לפני הקדוש
ברוך הוא רבונו של עולם מה לילוד אשה בינינו אמר להן לקבל תורה בא אמרו
לפניו חמודה גנוזה שגנוזה לך תשע מאות ושבעים וארבעה דורות קודם שנברא
העולם אתה מבקש ליתנה לבשר ודם מה אנוש כי תזכרנו ובן אדם כי תפקדנו ה׳
אדנינו מה אדיר שמך בכל הארץ אשר תנה הודך על השמים



And Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: When Moses ascended on High to
receive the Torah, the ministering angels said before the Holy One,
Blessed be He: Master of the Universe, what is one born of a woman
doing here among us? The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to them: He
came to receive the Torah. The angels said before Him: The Torah is a
hidden treasure that was concealed by you 974 generations before the
creation of the world
, and you seek to give it to flesh and blood? As
it is stated: “The word which He commanded to a thousand generations”
(Psalms 105:8). Since the Torah, the word of God, was given to the
twenty-sixth generation after Adam, the first man, the remaining 974
generations must have preceded the creation of the world. “What is man
that You are mindful of him and the son of man that You think of him?”
(Psalms 8:5). Rather, “God our Lord, how glorious is Your name in all
the earth that Your majesty is placed above the heavens” (Psalms 8:2).
The rightful place of God’s majesty, the Torah, is in the heavens.







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  • 974 Generations of what exactly?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago






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    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago













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I could point you to Shabbos 88b below, but please clarify if you are asking about what occurred prior to 974 generations before the creation of the world.




ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי בשעה שעלה משה למרום אמרו מלאכי השרת לפני הקדוש
ברוך הוא רבונו של עולם מה לילוד אשה בינינו אמר להן לקבל תורה בא אמרו
לפניו חמודה גנוזה שגנוזה לך תשע מאות ושבעים וארבעה דורות קודם שנברא
העולם אתה מבקש ליתנה לבשר ודם מה אנוש כי תזכרנו ובן אדם כי תפקדנו ה׳
אדנינו מה אדיר שמך בכל הארץ אשר תנה הודך על השמים



And Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: When Moses ascended on High to
receive the Torah, the ministering angels said before the Holy One,
Blessed be He: Master of the Universe, what is one born of a woman
doing here among us? The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to them: He
came to receive the Torah. The angels said before Him: The Torah is a
hidden treasure that was concealed by you 974 generations before the
creation of the world
, and you seek to give it to flesh and blood? As
it is stated: “The word which He commanded to a thousand generations”
(Psalms 105:8). Since the Torah, the word of God, was given to the
twenty-sixth generation after Adam, the first man, the remaining 974
generations must have preceded the creation of the world. “What is man
that You are mindful of him and the son of man that You think of him?”
(Psalms 8:5). Rather, “God our Lord, how glorious is Your name in all
the earth that Your majesty is placed above the heavens” (Psalms 8:2).
The rightful place of God’s majesty, the Torah, is in the heavens.







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I could point you to Shabbos 88b below, but please clarify if you are asking about what occurred prior to 974 generations before the creation of the world.




ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי בשעה שעלה משה למרום אמרו מלאכי השרת לפני הקדוש
ברוך הוא רבונו של עולם מה לילוד אשה בינינו אמר להן לקבל תורה בא אמרו
לפניו חמודה גנוזה שגנוזה לך תשע מאות ושבעים וארבעה דורות קודם שנברא
העולם אתה מבקש ליתנה לבשר ודם מה אנוש כי תזכרנו ובן אדם כי תפקדנו ה׳
אדנינו מה אדיר שמך בכל הארץ אשר תנה הודך על השמים



And Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: When Moses ascended on High to
receive the Torah, the ministering angels said before the Holy One,
Blessed be He: Master of the Universe, what is one born of a woman
doing here among us? The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to them: He
came to receive the Torah. The angels said before Him: The Torah is a
hidden treasure that was concealed by you 974 generations before the
creation of the world
, and you seek to give it to flesh and blood? As
it is stated: “The word which He commanded to a thousand generations”
(Psalms 105:8). Since the Torah, the word of God, was given to the
twenty-sixth generation after Adam, the first man, the remaining 974
generations must have preceded the creation of the world. “What is man
that You are mindful of him and the son of man that You think of him?”
(Psalms 8:5). Rather, “God our Lord, how glorious is Your name in all
the earth that Your majesty is placed above the heavens” (Psalms 8:2).
The rightful place of God’s majesty, the Torah, is in the heavens.








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  • 974 Generations of what exactly?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago






  • 1





    974 generations refer to pre-Adam Hominids. They were also 974 worlds according to the Midrash.

    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago












  • 1





    This is a good answer. Thank you and upvote.

    – Turk Hill
    7 hours ago











  • 974 Generations of what exactly?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago






  • 1





    974 generations refer to pre-Adam Hominids. They were also 974 worlds according to the Midrash.

    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago







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This is a good answer. Thank you and upvote.

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This is a good answer. Thank you and upvote.

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974 Generations of what exactly?

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974 Generations of what exactly?

– Al Berko
5 hours ago




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974 generations refer to pre-Adam Hominids. They were also 974 worlds according to the Midrash.

– Turk Hill
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974 generations refer to pre-Adam Hominids. They were also 974 worlds according to the Midrash.

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This is one of the topics that one should avoid discussing. See Mishna Chagiga 2:1, 11b in the Talmud:




אֵין דּוֹרְשִׁין בַּעֲרָיוֹת בִּשְׁלֹשָׁה. וְלֹא בְמַעֲשֵׂה בְרֵאשִׁית
בִּשְׁנַיִם. וְלֹא בַמֶּרְכָּבָה בְּיָחִיד, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הָיָה
חָכָם וּמֵבִין מִדַּעְתּוֹ. כָּל הַמִּסְתַּכֵּל בְּאַרְבָּעָה
דְּבָרִים, רָאוּי לוֹ כְּאִלּוּ לֹא בָּא לָעוֹלָם, מַה לְּמַעְלָה, מַה
לְּמַטָּה, מַה לְּפָנִים, וּמַה לְּאָחוֹר. וְכָל שֶׁלֹּא חָס עַל
כְּבוֹד קוֹנוֹ, רָאוּי לוֹ שֶׁלֹּא בָּא לָעוֹלָם:



They may not expound upon the subject of forbidden relations in the
presence of three. Nor the work of creation in the presence of two.
Nor [the work of] the chariot in the presence of one, unless he is a
sage and understands of his own knowledge. Whoever speculates upon
four things, it would have been better had he not come into the world:
what is above, what is beneath, what came before, and what came after.
And whoever takes no thought for the honor of his creator, it would
have been better had he not come into the world.







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  • The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 does not avoid it but explains the creation of 974 worlds before this one.

    – Turk Hill
    8 hours ago











  • +10 Let's stop with those questions, the OP himself stated many times that G-d is impossible to know and now he throws this question?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago











  • Maimonides felt that the world could have been created from nothingness - ex nehilo or pre-existing matter. I think he believed in the latter.

    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago











  • The question asks whether there is a source for the latter, namely if there was pre-existing material to go around.

    – Turk Hill
    3 hours ago
















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This is one of the topics that one should avoid discussing. See Mishna Chagiga 2:1, 11b in the Talmud:




אֵין דּוֹרְשִׁין בַּעֲרָיוֹת בִּשְׁלֹשָׁה. וְלֹא בְמַעֲשֵׂה בְרֵאשִׁית
בִּשְׁנַיִם. וְלֹא בַמֶּרְכָּבָה בְּיָחִיד, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הָיָה
חָכָם וּמֵבִין מִדַּעְתּוֹ. כָּל הַמִּסְתַּכֵּל בְּאַרְבָּעָה
דְּבָרִים, רָאוּי לוֹ כְּאִלּוּ לֹא בָּא לָעוֹלָם, מַה לְּמַעְלָה, מַה
לְּמַטָּה, מַה לְּפָנִים, וּמַה לְּאָחוֹר. וְכָל שֶׁלֹּא חָס עַל
כְּבוֹד קוֹנוֹ, רָאוּי לוֹ שֶׁלֹּא בָּא לָעוֹלָם:



They may not expound upon the subject of forbidden relations in the
presence of three. Nor the work of creation in the presence of two.
Nor [the work of] the chariot in the presence of one, unless he is a
sage and understands of his own knowledge. Whoever speculates upon
four things, it would have been better had he not come into the world:
what is above, what is beneath, what came before, and what came after.
And whoever takes no thought for the honor of his creator, it would
have been better had he not come into the world.







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  • The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 does not avoid it but explains the creation of 974 worlds before this one.

    – Turk Hill
    8 hours ago











  • +10 Let's stop with those questions, the OP himself stated many times that G-d is impossible to know and now he throws this question?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago











  • Maimonides felt that the world could have been created from nothingness - ex nehilo or pre-existing matter. I think he believed in the latter.

    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago











  • The question asks whether there is a source for the latter, namely if there was pre-existing material to go around.

    – Turk Hill
    3 hours ago














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This is one of the topics that one should avoid discussing. See Mishna Chagiga 2:1, 11b in the Talmud:




אֵין דּוֹרְשִׁין בַּעֲרָיוֹת בִּשְׁלֹשָׁה. וְלֹא בְמַעֲשֵׂה בְרֵאשִׁית
בִּשְׁנַיִם. וְלֹא בַמֶּרְכָּבָה בְּיָחִיד, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הָיָה
חָכָם וּמֵבִין מִדַּעְתּוֹ. כָּל הַמִּסְתַּכֵּל בְּאַרְבָּעָה
דְּבָרִים, רָאוּי לוֹ כְּאִלּוּ לֹא בָּא לָעוֹלָם, מַה לְּמַעְלָה, מַה
לְּמַטָּה, מַה לְּפָנִים, וּמַה לְּאָחוֹר. וְכָל שֶׁלֹּא חָס עַל
כְּבוֹד קוֹנוֹ, רָאוּי לוֹ שֶׁלֹּא בָּא לָעוֹלָם:



They may not expound upon the subject of forbidden relations in the
presence of three. Nor the work of creation in the presence of two.
Nor [the work of] the chariot in the presence of one, unless he is a
sage and understands of his own knowledge. Whoever speculates upon
four things, it would have been better had he not come into the world:
what is above, what is beneath, what came before, and what came after.
And whoever takes no thought for the honor of his creator, it would
have been better had he not come into the world.







share|improve this answer













This is one of the topics that one should avoid discussing. See Mishna Chagiga 2:1, 11b in the Talmud:




אֵין דּוֹרְשִׁין בַּעֲרָיוֹת בִּשְׁלֹשָׁה. וְלֹא בְמַעֲשֵׂה בְרֵאשִׁית
בִּשְׁנַיִם. וְלֹא בַמֶּרְכָּבָה בְּיָחִיד, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הָיָה
חָכָם וּמֵבִין מִדַּעְתּוֹ. כָּל הַמִּסְתַּכֵּל בְּאַרְבָּעָה
דְּבָרִים, רָאוּי לוֹ כְּאִלּוּ לֹא בָּא לָעוֹלָם, מַה לְּמַעְלָה, מַה
לְּמַטָּה, מַה לְּפָנִים, וּמַה לְּאָחוֹר. וְכָל שֶׁלֹּא חָס עַל
כְּבוֹד קוֹנוֹ, רָאוּי לוֹ שֶׁלֹּא בָּא לָעוֹלָם:



They may not expound upon the subject of forbidden relations in the
presence of three. Nor the work of creation in the presence of two.
Nor [the work of] the chariot in the presence of one, unless he is a
sage and understands of his own knowledge. Whoever speculates upon
four things, it would have been better had he not come into the world:
what is above, what is beneath, what came before, and what came after.
And whoever takes no thought for the honor of his creator, it would
have been better had he not come into the world.








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  • The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 does not avoid it but explains the creation of 974 worlds before this one.

    – Turk Hill
    8 hours ago











  • +10 Let's stop with those questions, the OP himself stated many times that G-d is impossible to know and now he throws this question?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago











  • Maimonides felt that the world could have been created from nothingness - ex nehilo or pre-existing matter. I think he believed in the latter.

    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago











  • The question asks whether there is a source for the latter, namely if there was pre-existing material to go around.

    – Turk Hill
    3 hours ago


















  • The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 does not avoid it but explains the creation of 974 worlds before this one.

    – Turk Hill
    8 hours ago











  • +10 Let's stop with those questions, the OP himself stated many times that G-d is impossible to know and now he throws this question?

    – Al Berko
    5 hours ago











  • Maimonides felt that the world could have been created from nothingness - ex nehilo or pre-existing matter. I think he believed in the latter.

    – Turk Hill
    4 hours ago











  • The question asks whether there is a source for the latter, namely if there was pre-existing material to go around.

    – Turk Hill
    3 hours ago

















The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 does not avoid it but explains the creation of 974 worlds before this one.

– Turk Hill
8 hours ago





The Midrash Tehillim 90:13 does not avoid it but explains the creation of 974 worlds before this one.

– Turk Hill
8 hours ago













+10 Let's stop with those questions, the OP himself stated many times that G-d is impossible to know and now he throws this question?

– Al Berko
5 hours ago





+10 Let's stop with those questions, the OP himself stated many times that G-d is impossible to know and now he throws this question?

– Al Berko
5 hours ago













Maimonides felt that the world could have been created from nothingness - ex nehilo or pre-existing matter. I think he believed in the latter.

– Turk Hill
4 hours ago





Maimonides felt that the world could have been created from nothingness - ex nehilo or pre-existing matter. I think he believed in the latter.

– Turk Hill
4 hours ago













The question asks whether there is a source for the latter, namely if there was pre-existing material to go around.

– Turk Hill
3 hours ago






The question asks whether there is a source for the latter, namely if there was pre-existing material to go around.

– Turk Hill
3 hours ago




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