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If an arcane trickster rogue uses his mage hand and makes it invisible, does that mean anything the hand picks up is also invisible?

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From the PHB (emphasis mine):

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the
spectral hand invisible, and you can perform the following additional
tasks with it:

• You can stow one object the hand is holding in a
container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can retrieve an
object in a container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can
use thieves' tools to pick locks and disarm traps at range.

You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you
succeed on a Dexterity (Sleight of Hand) check contested by the
creature's Wisdom (Perception) check. In addition, you can use the
bonus action granted by your Cunning Action to control the hand.

And the invisibility spell (emphasis mine):

A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything
the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the
target’s person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a
spell.

I know the spell is slightly different but it’s the most comparable thing I could find.

For example:

• I lift some jail keys off of a guard and then turn the hand invisible.




• I grab 3 platinum coins off the mayor’s desk when I think no one is watching and close the hand around them so they’re totally inside the fist.




• I give the hand a lockpick and pick a lock from across a crowded room.

In which of these situations (if any) would the objects be visible?

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Context of the question: I'm the Rogue player, not the not DM. I view the mage hand for the arcane trickster as a type of highly specialized familiar because I can summon or dismiss it a will, and I can "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new and inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong. My reason for posting the question was to see if I am missing something that should have been obvious, or if there was room to play around with this class feature.

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  @KorvinStarmast, I'm the rogue not DM so I can't say exactly, but I think of it as a type of highly specialized familiar. Because I can summon/dismiss it a will and "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong.
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  @KorvinStarmast, I appreciate the advice. To be honest, my main reason for posting the question was to see if people would come and point out something that should have been obvious or if there was room to play around with it. But I think it's been answered.
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From the PHB (emphasis mine):

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the
spectral hand invisible, and you can perform the following additional
tasks with it:

• You can stow one object the hand is holding in a
container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can retrieve an
object in a container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can
use thieves' tools to pick locks and disarm traps at range.

You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you
succeed on a Dexterity (Sleight of Hand) check contested by the
creature's Wisdom (Perception) check. In addition, you can use the
bonus action granted by your Cunning Action to control the hand.

And the invisibility spell (emphasis mine):

A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything
the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the
target’s person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a
spell.

I know the spell is slightly different but it’s the most comparable thing I could find.

For example:

• I lift some jail keys off of a guard and then turn the hand invisible.




• I grab 3 platinum coins off the mayor’s desk when I think no one is watching and close the hand around them so they’re totally inside the fist.




• I give the hand a lockpick and pick a lock from across a crowded room.

In which of these situations (if any) would the objects be visible?

---

Context of the question: I'm the Rogue player, not the not DM. I view the mage hand for the arcane trickster as a type of highly specialized familiar because I can summon or dismiss it a will, and I can "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new and inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong. My reason for posting the question was to see if I am missing something that should have been obvious, or if there was room to play around with this class feature.

dnd-5e magic rogue invisibility

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edited 4 hours ago

Orisa is your shield

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  @KorvinStarmast, I'm the rogue not DM so I can't say exactly, but I think of it as a type of highly specialized familiar. Because I can summon/dismiss it a will and "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong.
  $endgroup$
  – Orisa is your shield
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  @KorvinStarmast, I appreciate the advice. To be honest, my main reason for posting the question was to see if people would come and point out something that should have been obvious or if there was room to play around with it. But I think it's been answered.
  $endgroup$
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From the PHB (emphasis mine):

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the
spectral hand invisible, and you can perform the following additional
tasks with it:

• You can stow one object the hand is holding in a
container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can retrieve an
object in a container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can
use thieves' tools to pick locks and disarm traps at range.

You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you
succeed on a Dexterity (Sleight of Hand) check contested by the
creature's Wisdom (Perception) check. In addition, you can use the
bonus action granted by your Cunning Action to control the hand.

And the invisibility spell (emphasis mine):

A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything
the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the
target’s person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a
spell.

I know the spell is slightly different but it’s the most comparable thing I could find.

For example:

• I lift some jail keys off of a guard and then turn the hand invisible.




• I grab 3 platinum coins off the mayor’s desk when I think no one is watching and close the hand around them so they’re totally inside the fist.




• I give the hand a lockpick and pick a lock from across a crowded room.

In which of these situations (if any) would the objects be visible?

---

Context of the question: I'm the Rogue player, not the not DM. I view the mage hand for the arcane trickster as a type of highly specialized familiar because I can summon or dismiss it a will, and I can "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new and inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong. My reason for posting the question was to see if I am missing something that should have been obvious, or if there was room to play around with this class feature.

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All carried objects will be visible.

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

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  I appreciate the answer, however, it just leaves me wondering what use the invisible mage hand has then. I might ask a new question about that soon.
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  @Orisaisyourshield One of the things to consider is that, in conditions of darkness of dime light, most observers will have disadvantage to perceive this hand doing things of your rogue is using the sleight of hand or stealth ability/skill to try and do it without being noticed. (Yeah, I realized that this statement only complicates things).
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  @Orisaisyourshield If the hand is invisible, then the held object just appears to be floating on its own, which may provoke a very different reaction from someone than if they saw a spectral hand absconding with the object.
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All carried objects will be visible.

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

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  I appreciate the answer, however, it just leaves me wondering what use the invisible mage hand has then. I might ask a new question about that soon.
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  @Orisaisyourshield One of the things to consider is that, in conditions of darkness of dime light, most observers will have disadvantage to perceive this hand doing things of your rogue is using the sleight of hand or stealth ability/skill to try and do it without being noticed. (Yeah, I realized that this statement only complicates things).
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  @Orisaisyourshield If the hand is invisible, then the held object just appears to be floating on its own, which may provoke a very different reaction from someone than if they saw a spectral hand absconding with the object.
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  – Ryan Thompson
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All carried objects will be visible.

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

share|improve this answer

edited 6 hours ago

answered 8 hours ago

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  I appreciate the answer, however, it just leaves me wondering what use the invisible mage hand has then. I might ask a new question about that soon.
  $endgroup$
  – Orisa is your shield
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Orisaisyourshield One of the things to consider is that, in conditions of darkness of dime light, most observers will have disadvantage to perceive this hand doing things of your rogue is using the sleight of hand or stealth ability/skill to try and do it without being noticed. (Yeah, I realized that this statement only complicates things).
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  – KorvinStarmast
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  @Orisaisyourshield If the hand is invisible, then the held object just appears to be floating on its own, which may provoke a very different reaction from someone than if they saw a spectral hand absconding with the object.
  $endgroup$
  – Ryan Thompson
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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All carried objects will be visible.

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

share|improve this answer

edited 6 hours ago

answered 8 hours ago

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