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          It can be done cheaply, as two different users have proven. See A practical 10 Cents Ceramic tube hotend and Hotend with ceramic parts.



          Apparently, in comparison with PTFE, the thermal conductivity of the ceramic in spark plugs is too high, to use (according to nophead - a user on the reprap forums), and there are friction/clogging issues, unless the inner diameter is very well polished.




          Synopsis of reference



          The RepRap user, hp_, encountered the issues above when attempting a design - from Ceramic Hotend - Part 1




          Research



          As far as I know there are no ceramic hotends out there, I know
          nophead has tried some spark-plugs for nozzle holders but found them
          not suitable(thermal conductivity is pretty high). I wanted to give it
          a go, confident enough (I hoped), that it would work :)



          So in my case, a hotend exists out of 2 main parts, a nozzle holder
          and a nozzle.



          • The nozzle is the easy part it would stay brass.


          • The nozzle holder is the interesting part, here is what I've come-up with


          total length should be in the range of 35-40mm, see my first sketch
          below:



          enter image description here



          here are many types of ceramic out there, ie. 95% AI2O3, 99% AI2O3,
          Zirconia (see material properties sheet Link)



          95% AI2O3 is easy to buy but after a few tests the conclusion was its
          to brittle for my taste, second material to try is Zirconia.



          I've found a few Chinese ceramic manufactures. Only draw back I had to
          order 10 pieces for the first batch.. on something that has never been
          tested, well I'd give it a shot.... and ordered the parts.




          but the clogging issue mentioned above was encountered:




          ...after the first layer, it just stopped extruding.. ugh!!! what could
          be wrong????



          Possible root causes
          - Friction coefficient? Meaning after awhile the friction between PLA and the Ceramic became so high it would just jam the nozzle holder.



          • Stickiness? Could it be that after awhile PLA would just stick to the Ceramic and would jam because of this?


          • PLA thermal expansion( nozzle holder barrel is to small?) so the inner diameter of this nozzle holder is 3.2mm, could it be that the
            3.0mm filament would expand so much because of the heat, that it would start to jam the nozzle holder?


          • Connection between nozzle and nozzle holder is insufficient cause the Jam??




          The user was forced to return to using PTFE.



          From Ceramic hotend part-2, after some rework done by the Chinese manufacturer, the new hotends worked correctly:




          Awhile ago i stared working on the ceramic hotend and found out the
          first version wouldn't work for 3.0mm fillament,



          after some discussion with my chinese counterpart :) i got a new
          version of the ceramic piece.



          They polished the inside very deep and precise. and i gave it another
          go.




          and




          some more tinkering with the hotend and a new nozzle design, with a smaller Inner diameter, and its longer




          Apart from that the details are a little sparse.






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            Because PTFE doesn't transmit heat very well? The whole idea when using a PTFE tube (and this is just my understanding ... which could be wrong), is for the tubing not to transmit heat, therefore allowing the filament to pass through it without melting or at the very least, collecting a lot of heat along the way (which helps prevent jams). PTFE does a pretty good job of standing up to heat while accomplishing the task at hand. Ceramic does an excellent job of standing up to heat. The problem is, it will pass the heat along to the filament, most likely melting it, thus causing it to deform and jam before it gets to the hot end. This would then become a maintenance nightmare.






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              It can be done cheaply, as two different users have proven. See A practical 10 Cents Ceramic tube hotend and Hotend with ceramic parts.



              Apparently, in comparison with PTFE, the thermal conductivity of the ceramic in spark plugs is too high, to use (according to nophead - a user on the reprap forums), and there are friction/clogging issues, unless the inner diameter is very well polished.




              Synopsis of reference



              The RepRap user, hp_, encountered the issues above when attempting a design - from Ceramic Hotend - Part 1




              Research



              As far as I know there are no ceramic hotends out there, I know
              nophead has tried some spark-plugs for nozzle holders but found them
              not suitable(thermal conductivity is pretty high). I wanted to give it
              a go, confident enough (I hoped), that it would work :)



              So in my case, a hotend exists out of 2 main parts, a nozzle holder
              and a nozzle.



              • The nozzle is the easy part it would stay brass.


              • The nozzle holder is the interesting part, here is what I've come-up with


              total length should be in the range of 35-40mm, see my first sketch
              below:



              enter image description here



              here are many types of ceramic out there, ie. 95% AI2O3, 99% AI2O3,
              Zirconia (see material properties sheet Link)



              95% AI2O3 is easy to buy but after a few tests the conclusion was its
              to brittle for my taste, second material to try is Zirconia.



              I've found a few Chinese ceramic manufactures. Only draw back I had to
              order 10 pieces for the first batch.. on something that has never been
              tested, well I'd give it a shot.... and ordered the parts.




              but the clogging issue mentioned above was encountered:




              ...after the first layer, it just stopped extruding.. ugh!!! what could
              be wrong????



              Possible root causes
              - Friction coefficient? Meaning after awhile the friction between PLA and the Ceramic became so high it would just jam the nozzle holder.



              • Stickiness? Could it be that after awhile PLA would just stick to the Ceramic and would jam because of this?


              • PLA thermal expansion( nozzle holder barrel is to small?) so the inner diameter of this nozzle holder is 3.2mm, could it be that the
                3.0mm filament would expand so much because of the heat, that it would start to jam the nozzle holder?


              • Connection between nozzle and nozzle holder is insufficient cause the Jam??




              The user was forced to return to using PTFE.



              From Ceramic hotend part-2, after some rework done by the Chinese manufacturer, the new hotends worked correctly:




              Awhile ago i stared working on the ceramic hotend and found out the
              first version wouldn't work for 3.0mm fillament,



              after some discussion with my chinese counterpart :) i got a new
              version of the ceramic piece.



              They polished the inside very deep and precise. and i gave it another
              go.




              and




              some more tinkering with the hotend and a new nozzle design, with a smaller Inner diameter, and its longer




              Apart from that the details are a little sparse.






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                It can be done cheaply, as two different users have proven. See A practical 10 Cents Ceramic tube hotend and Hotend with ceramic parts.



                Apparently, in comparison with PTFE, the thermal conductivity of the ceramic in spark plugs is too high, to use (according to nophead - a user on the reprap forums), and there are friction/clogging issues, unless the inner diameter is very well polished.




                Synopsis of reference



                The RepRap user, hp_, encountered the issues above when attempting a design - from Ceramic Hotend - Part 1




                Research



                As far as I know there are no ceramic hotends out there, I know
                nophead has tried some spark-plugs for nozzle holders but found them
                not suitable(thermal conductivity is pretty high). I wanted to give it
                a go, confident enough (I hoped), that it would work :)



                So in my case, a hotend exists out of 2 main parts, a nozzle holder
                and a nozzle.



                • The nozzle is the easy part it would stay brass.


                • The nozzle holder is the interesting part, here is what I've come-up with


                total length should be in the range of 35-40mm, see my first sketch
                below:



                enter image description here



                here are many types of ceramic out there, ie. 95% AI2O3, 99% AI2O3,
                Zirconia (see material properties sheet Link)



                95% AI2O3 is easy to buy but after a few tests the conclusion was its
                to brittle for my taste, second material to try is Zirconia.



                I've found a few Chinese ceramic manufactures. Only draw back I had to
                order 10 pieces for the first batch.. on something that has never been
                tested, well I'd give it a shot.... and ordered the parts.




                but the clogging issue mentioned above was encountered:




                ...after the first layer, it just stopped extruding.. ugh!!! what could
                be wrong????



                Possible root causes
                - Friction coefficient? Meaning after awhile the friction between PLA and the Ceramic became so high it would just jam the nozzle holder.



                • Stickiness? Could it be that after awhile PLA would just stick to the Ceramic and would jam because of this?


                • PLA thermal expansion( nozzle holder barrel is to small?) so the inner diameter of this nozzle holder is 3.2mm, could it be that the
                  3.0mm filament would expand so much because of the heat, that it would start to jam the nozzle holder?


                • Connection between nozzle and nozzle holder is insufficient cause the Jam??




                The user was forced to return to using PTFE.



                From Ceramic hotend part-2, after some rework done by the Chinese manufacturer, the new hotends worked correctly:




                Awhile ago i stared working on the ceramic hotend and found out the
                first version wouldn't work for 3.0mm fillament,



                after some discussion with my chinese counterpart :) i got a new
                version of the ceramic piece.



                They polished the inside very deep and precise. and i gave it another
                go.




                and




                some more tinkering with the hotend and a new nozzle design, with a smaller Inner diameter, and its longer




                Apart from that the details are a little sparse.






                share|improve this answer









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                  It can be done cheaply, as two different users have proven. See A practical 10 Cents Ceramic tube hotend and Hotend with ceramic parts.



                  Apparently, in comparison with PTFE, the thermal conductivity of the ceramic in spark plugs is too high, to use (according to nophead - a user on the reprap forums), and there are friction/clogging issues, unless the inner diameter is very well polished.




                  Synopsis of reference



                  The RepRap user, hp_, encountered the issues above when attempting a design - from Ceramic Hotend - Part 1




                  Research



                  As far as I know there are no ceramic hotends out there, I know
                  nophead has tried some spark-plugs for nozzle holders but found them
                  not suitable(thermal conductivity is pretty high). I wanted to give it
                  a go, confident enough (I hoped), that it would work :)



                  So in my case, a hotend exists out of 2 main parts, a nozzle holder
                  and a nozzle.



                  • The nozzle is the easy part it would stay brass.


                  • The nozzle holder is the interesting part, here is what I've come-up with


                  total length should be in the range of 35-40mm, see my first sketch
                  below:



                  enter image description here



                  here are many types of ceramic out there, ie. 95% AI2O3, 99% AI2O3,
                  Zirconia (see material properties sheet Link)



                  95% AI2O3 is easy to buy but after a few tests the conclusion was its
                  to brittle for my taste, second material to try is Zirconia.



                  I've found a few Chinese ceramic manufactures. Only draw back I had to
                  order 10 pieces for the first batch.. on something that has never been
                  tested, well I'd give it a shot.... and ordered the parts.




                  but the clogging issue mentioned above was encountered:




                  ...after the first layer, it just stopped extruding.. ugh!!! what could
                  be wrong????



                  Possible root causes
                  - Friction coefficient? Meaning after awhile the friction between PLA and the Ceramic became so high it would just jam the nozzle holder.



                  • Stickiness? Could it be that after awhile PLA would just stick to the Ceramic and would jam because of this?


                  • PLA thermal expansion( nozzle holder barrel is to small?) so the inner diameter of this nozzle holder is 3.2mm, could it be that the
                    3.0mm filament would expand so much because of the heat, that it would start to jam the nozzle holder?


                  • Connection between nozzle and nozzle holder is insufficient cause the Jam??




                  The user was forced to return to using PTFE.



                  From Ceramic hotend part-2, after some rework done by the Chinese manufacturer, the new hotends worked correctly:




                  Awhile ago i stared working on the ceramic hotend and found out the
                  first version wouldn't work for 3.0mm fillament,



                  after some discussion with my chinese counterpart :) i got a new
                  version of the ceramic piece.



                  They polished the inside very deep and precise. and i gave it another
                  go.




                  and




                  some more tinkering with the hotend and a new nozzle design, with a smaller Inner diameter, and its longer




                  Apart from that the details are a little sparse.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$



                  It can be done cheaply, as two different users have proven. See A practical 10 Cents Ceramic tube hotend and Hotend with ceramic parts.



                  Apparently, in comparison with PTFE, the thermal conductivity of the ceramic in spark plugs is too high, to use (according to nophead - a user on the reprap forums), and there are friction/clogging issues, unless the inner diameter is very well polished.




                  Synopsis of reference



                  The RepRap user, hp_, encountered the issues above when attempting a design - from Ceramic Hotend - Part 1




                  Research



                  As far as I know there are no ceramic hotends out there, I know
                  nophead has tried some spark-plugs for nozzle holders but found them
                  not suitable(thermal conductivity is pretty high). I wanted to give it
                  a go, confident enough (I hoped), that it would work :)



                  So in my case, a hotend exists out of 2 main parts, a nozzle holder
                  and a nozzle.



                  • The nozzle is the easy part it would stay brass.


                  • The nozzle holder is the interesting part, here is what I've come-up with


                  total length should be in the range of 35-40mm, see my first sketch
                  below:



                  enter image description here



                  here are many types of ceramic out there, ie. 95% AI2O3, 99% AI2O3,
                  Zirconia (see material properties sheet Link)



                  95% AI2O3 is easy to buy but after a few tests the conclusion was its
                  to brittle for my taste, second material to try is Zirconia.



                  I've found a few Chinese ceramic manufactures. Only draw back I had to
                  order 10 pieces for the first batch.. on something that has never been
                  tested, well I'd give it a shot.... and ordered the parts.




                  but the clogging issue mentioned above was encountered:




                  ...after the first layer, it just stopped extruding.. ugh!!! what could
                  be wrong????



                  Possible root causes
                  - Friction coefficient? Meaning after awhile the friction between PLA and the Ceramic became so high it would just jam the nozzle holder.



                  • Stickiness? Could it be that after awhile PLA would just stick to the Ceramic and would jam because of this?


                  • PLA thermal expansion( nozzle holder barrel is to small?) so the inner diameter of this nozzle holder is 3.2mm, could it be that the
                    3.0mm filament would expand so much because of the heat, that it would start to jam the nozzle holder?


                  • Connection between nozzle and nozzle holder is insufficient cause the Jam??




                  The user was forced to return to using PTFE.



                  From Ceramic hotend part-2, after some rework done by the Chinese manufacturer, the new hotends worked correctly:




                  Awhile ago i stared working on the ceramic hotend and found out the
                  first version wouldn't work for 3.0mm fillament,



                  after some discussion with my chinese counterpart :) i got a new
                  version of the ceramic piece.



                  They polished the inside very deep and precise. and i gave it another
                  go.




                  and




                  some more tinkering with the hotend and a new nozzle design, with a smaller Inner diameter, and its longer




                  Apart from that the details are a little sparse.







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                      Because PTFE doesn't transmit heat very well? The whole idea when using a PTFE tube (and this is just my understanding ... which could be wrong), is for the tubing not to transmit heat, therefore allowing the filament to pass through it without melting or at the very least, collecting a lot of heat along the way (which helps prevent jams). PTFE does a pretty good job of standing up to heat while accomplishing the task at hand. Ceramic does an excellent job of standing up to heat. The problem is, it will pass the heat along to the filament, most likely melting it, thus causing it to deform and jam before it gets to the hot end. This would then become a maintenance nightmare.






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                        Because PTFE doesn't transmit heat very well? The whole idea when using a PTFE tube (and this is just my understanding ... which could be wrong), is for the tubing not to transmit heat, therefore allowing the filament to pass through it without melting or at the very least, collecting a lot of heat along the way (which helps prevent jams). PTFE does a pretty good job of standing up to heat while accomplishing the task at hand. Ceramic does an excellent job of standing up to heat. The problem is, it will pass the heat along to the filament, most likely melting it, thus causing it to deform and jam before it gets to the hot end. This would then become a maintenance nightmare.






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                          share|improve this answer









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                          Because PTFE doesn't transmit heat very well? The whole idea when using a PTFE tube (and this is just my understanding ... which could be wrong), is for the tubing not to transmit heat, therefore allowing the filament to pass through it without melting or at the very least, collecting a lot of heat along the way (which helps prevent jams). PTFE does a pretty good job of standing up to heat while accomplishing the task at hand. Ceramic does an excellent job of standing up to heat. The problem is, it will pass the heat along to the filament, most likely melting it, thus causing it to deform and jam before it gets to the hot end. This would then become a maintenance nightmare.







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