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It appears to be a fairly common planetary naming scheme in science fiction: Take the common name (or its bayer designation) of star and append the planetary ordinal in the form of a Roman or Arabic numeral.

Examples

• 
  Earth becomes Sol Ⅲ
  


• The tenth planet of Pollux
  becomes Pollux Ⅹ
  


• The forth Planet of Beta Hydri becomes Beta Hydri Ⅳ
  

It's not based in reality

I asked an astronomer and he assured me, no astronomer ever proposed such a naming system.

Real exoplanets today are named using an entirely different naming scheme.

Who came up with it?

It is very common in Star Trek, but it exitsted in earlier science fiction novels and short stories. What is the earliest occurrence of this naming scheme? When was it first described? When was it first implied?

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  My instinct is that it derives from the naming convention for gas giant moons which prominently features the [primary] [Roman numeral] format. But that doesn't say much about how it came to be used in science fiction.
  
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  I don't have much pre-1950s SF, but I know that Andre Norton was using that in the 1950s. I don't have most of her books to hand right now, but The Stars Are Ours (1954) used it.
  
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  I've got another from 1951: "The Masquerade on Dicantropus" by Jack Vance. "... Dicantropus being a relay point for ULR messages between Clave II and Polaris." and "...en route to a contract on Thuban XIV."
  
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  Scifi authors make up lots of questionable naming schemes. Sol, Luna, and Terra for instance. None of these are the official name (unless you speak an appropriate latin-based language, I suppose).
  
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It appears to be a fairly common planetary naming scheme in science fiction: Take the common name (or its bayer designation) of star and append the planetary ordinal in the form of a Roman or Arabic numeral.

Examples

• 
  Earth becomes Sol Ⅲ
  


• The tenth planet of Pollux
  becomes Pollux Ⅹ
  


• The forth Planet of Beta Hydri becomes Beta Hydri Ⅳ
  

It's not based in reality

I asked an astronomer and he assured me, no astronomer ever proposed such a naming system.

Real exoplanets today are named using an entirely different naming scheme.

Who came up with it?

It is very common in Star Trek, but it exitsted in earlier science fiction novels and short stories. What is the earliest occurrence of this naming scheme? When was it first described? When was it first implied?

history-of planets trope

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  My instinct is that it derives from the naming convention for gas giant moons which prominently features the [primary] [Roman numeral] format. But that doesn't say much about how it came to be used in science fiction.
  
  – Cadence
  8 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I don't have much pre-1950s SF, but I know that Andre Norton was using that in the 1950s. I don't have most of her books to hand right now, but The Stars Are Ours (1954) used it.
  
  – DavidW
  8 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  1951 - books.google.co.uk/…
  
  – Valorum
  7 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  I've got another from 1951: "The Masquerade on Dicantropus" by Jack Vance. "... Dicantropus being a relay point for ULR messages between Clave II and Polaris." and "...en route to a contract on Thuban XIV."
  
  – DavidW
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Scifi authors make up lots of questionable naming schemes. Sol, Luna, and Terra for instance. None of these are the official name (unless you speak an appropriate latin-based language, I suppose).
  
  – Harabeck
  7 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 2 more comments

It appears to be a fairly common planetary naming scheme in science fiction: Take the common name (or its bayer designation) of star and append the planetary ordinal in the form of a Roman or Arabic numeral.

Examples

• 
  Earth becomes Sol Ⅲ
  


• The tenth planet of Pollux
  becomes Pollux Ⅹ
  


• The forth Planet of Beta Hydri becomes Beta Hydri Ⅳ
  

It's not based in reality

I asked an astronomer and he assured me, no astronomer ever proposed such a naming system.

Real exoplanets today are named using an entirely different naming scheme.

Who came up with it?

It is very common in Star Trek, but it exitsted in earlier science fiction novels and short stories. What is the earliest occurrence of this naming scheme? When was it first described? When was it first implied?

history-of planets trope

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The naming convention has been in common usage forever in science fiction. E.E. Smith from the first Galactic Patrol serial in 1937 had Kimball Kinnison visiting planets such as Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII, and Earth was specifically referred to as Sol Three from time to time in the series.

Addendum

Because apparently Examples are necessary, the following are from Galactic Patrol:

"For instance, Kinnison here once had a highly adventurous interview with a lady of Aldebaran II and her friends."

_{Astounding, September 1937, page 11}

...

"Kimball Kinnison of Sol Three calling Mentor of Arisia. Is it permitted that I approach your planet?"

...

"Kinnison of Tellus, greetings. Tregonsee of Rigel IV calling from Trenco space-port. Have you ever landed on this planet before?"

...

"Lensman of Trenco Space-port--Tregonsee or his relief? Lensman Kinnison of Sol III asking permission to land."

...

"....the fifth dove into the deepest ocean of Corvina II, in the
depths of which all rays are useless."

...

Out from Radelix and into deep space shot the speedster, bearing the Gray Lensman toward Boyssia II, where the Boskonian base was situated.

...

"He was Lageston of Mercator V--a good man, too. What is your pressure now?"

...

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  Ah, that beats me; the earliest I can easily find in my collection is Asimov's Foundation, the relevant parts of which were written in 1944.
  
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  This answer could be improved by providing a specific quote with citation from the series mentioned.
  
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  "In the Lensman Series, begun in 1937, Kimball Kinnison visited planets with names such as Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII." - Me.
  
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  Note that Triplanetary (as published in 1948) contains some similar names, but they did not appear in the original 1934 serial; the relevant chapter appears to have been a later addition. I have not yet checked if these names are original to the the 1937 serial of Galactic Patrol.
  
  – DavidW
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  sigh. November 1937 issue of Astounding: "Kinnison of Tellus--Sol III--calling." Page 130.
  
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It was used to designate Earth in Eric Frank Russell's "Hobbyist". That was 1947

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The naming convention has been in common usage forever in science fiction. E.E. Smith from the first Galactic Patrol serial in 1937 had Kimball Kinnison visiting planets such as Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII, and Earth was specifically referred to as Sol Three from time to time in the series.

Addendum

Because apparently Examples are necessary, the following are from Galactic Patrol:

"For instance, Kinnison here once had a highly adventurous interview with a lady of Aldebaran II and her friends."

_{Astounding, September 1937, page 11}

...

"Kimball Kinnison of Sol Three calling Mentor of Arisia. Is it permitted that I approach your planet?"

...

"Kinnison of Tellus, greetings. Tregonsee of Rigel IV calling from Trenco space-port. Have you ever landed on this planet before?"

...

"Lensman of Trenco Space-port--Tregonsee or his relief? Lensman Kinnison of Sol III asking permission to land."

...

"....the fifth dove into the deepest ocean of Corvina II, in the
depths of which all rays are useless."

...

Out from Radelix and into deep space shot the speedster, bearing the Gray Lensman toward Boyssia II, where the Boskonian base was situated.

...

"He was Lageston of Mercator V--a good man, too. What is your pressure now?"

...

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Ah, that beats me; the earliest I can easily find in my collection is Asimov's Foundation, the relevant parts of which were written in 1944.
  
  – DavidW
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  This answer could be improved by providing a specific quote with citation from the series mentioned.
  
  – Harabeck
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  "In the Lensman Series, begun in 1937, Kimball Kinnison visited planets with names such as Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII." - Me.
  
  – Keith Morrison
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Note that Triplanetary (as published in 1948) contains some similar names, but they did not appear in the original 1934 serial; the relevant chapter appears to have been a later addition. I have not yet checked if these names are original to the the 1937 serial of Galactic Patrol.
  
  – DavidW
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  sigh. November 1937 issue of Astounding: "Kinnison of Tellus--Sol III--calling." Page 130.
  
  – Keith Morrison
  5 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  

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The naming convention has been in common usage forever in science fiction. E.E. Smith from the first Galactic Patrol serial in 1937 had Kimball Kinnison visiting planets such as Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII, and Earth was specifically referred to as Sol Three from time to time in the series.

Addendum

Because apparently Examples are necessary, the following are from Galactic Patrol:

"For instance, Kinnison here once had a highly adventurous interview with a lady of Aldebaran II and her friends."

_{Astounding, September 1937, page 11}

...

"Kimball Kinnison of Sol Three calling Mentor of Arisia. Is it permitted that I approach your planet?"

...

"Kinnison of Tellus, greetings. Tregonsee of Rigel IV calling from Trenco space-port. Have you ever landed on this planet before?"

...

"Lensman of Trenco Space-port--Tregonsee or his relief? Lensman Kinnison of Sol III asking permission to land."

...

"....the fifth dove into the deepest ocean of Corvina II, in the
depths of which all rays are useless."

...

Out from Radelix and into deep space shot the speedster, bearing the Gray Lensman toward Boyssia II, where the Boskonian base was situated.

...

"He was Lageston of Mercator V--a good man, too. What is your pressure now?"

...

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Ah, that beats me; the earliest I can easily find in my collection is Asimov's Foundation, the relevant parts of which were written in 1944.
  
  – DavidW
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  This answer could be improved by providing a specific quote with citation from the series mentioned.
  
  – Harabeck
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  "In the Lensman Series, begun in 1937, Kimball Kinnison visited planets with names such as Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII." - Me.
  
  – Keith Morrison
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Note that Triplanetary (as published in 1948) contains some similar names, but they did not appear in the original 1934 serial; the relevant chapter appears to have been a later addition. I have not yet checked if these names are original to the the 1937 serial of Galactic Patrol.
  
  – DavidW
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  sigh. November 1937 issue of Astounding: "Kinnison of Tellus--Sol III--calling." Page 130.
  
  – Keith Morrison
  5 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 2 more comments

The naming convention has been in common usage forever in science fiction. E.E. Smith from the first Galactic Patrol serial in 1937 had Kimball Kinnison visiting planets such as Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII, and Earth was specifically referred to as Sol Three from time to time in the series.

Addendum

Because apparently Examples are necessary, the following are from Galactic Patrol:

"For instance, Kinnison here once had a highly adventurous interview with a lady of Aldebaran II and her friends."

_{Astounding, September 1937, page 11}

...

"Kimball Kinnison of Sol Three calling Mentor of Arisia. Is it permitted that I approach your planet?"

...

"Kinnison of Tellus, greetings. Tregonsee of Rigel IV calling from Trenco space-port. Have you ever landed on this planet before?"

...

"Lensman of Trenco Space-port--Tregonsee or his relief? Lensman Kinnison of Sol III asking permission to land."

...

"....the fifth dove into the deepest ocean of Corvina II, in the
depths of which all rays are useless."

...

Out from Radelix and into deep space shot the speedster, bearing the Gray Lensman toward Boyssia II, where the Boskonian base was situated.

...

"He was Lageston of Mercator V--a good man, too. What is your pressure now?"

...

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It was used to designate Earth in Eric Frank Russell's "Hobbyist". That was 1947

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  Could you perhaps edit this to elaborate and provide some evidence such as quotes.
  
  – TheLethalCarrot
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It was used to designate Earth in Eric Frank Russell's "Hobbyist". That was 1947

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  Could you perhaps edit this to elaborate and provide some evidence such as quotes.
  
  – TheLethalCarrot
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