IX-NAY on the IX-SAYWhat's the next number in this sequence?How to get the sum 30 by choosing 3 numbers from these sequence?An ever increasing sequenceYet another number sequence puzzleWhich number comes next in the sequence?The next number in sequenceLength of the SequenceThe triangle-sequence riddleHaters will say 28 JuneNumber sequence puzzle; 2, 10, 44 (+2 hints)
US citizen traveling with Peruvian passport
Distance between horizontal tree levels
How to find the positions of replaced elements in a list
An integral that needs subtitution to be solved.
A sequence that changes sign finally at infinity?
Generalized Behrend version for Grothendieck-Lefschetz trace formula
What exactly is a "murder hobo"?
Need a non-volatile memory IC with near unlimited read/write operations capability
Conditions for Roots of a quadratic equation at infinity
What does Middle English "bihiȝten" mean?
Intern not wearing safety equipment; how could I have handled this differently?
My previous employer committed a severe violation of the law and is also being sued by me. How do I explain the situation to future employers?
Adjust the Table
When did "&" stop being taught alongside the alphabet?
This LM317 diagram doesn't make any sense to me
What's it called when the bad guy gets eaten?
I make billions (#6)
What is the problem here?(all integers are irrational proof...i think so)
When an electron changes its spin, or any other intrinsic property, is it still the same electron?
Did the Ottoman empire suppress the printing press?
Hail hit my roof. Do I need to replace it?
Publishing papers seem natural to many, while I find it really hard to think novel stuff to pursue till publication. How to cope up with this?
How many tone holes are there actually in different orchestral woodwind instruments?
Moving millions of files to a different directory with specfic name patterns
IX-NAY on the IX-SAY
What's the next number in this sequence?How to get the sum 30 by choosing 3 numbers from these sequence?An ever increasing sequenceYet another number sequence puzzleWhich number comes next in the sequence?The next number in sequenceLength of the SequenceThe triangle-sequence riddleHaters will say 28 JuneNumber sequence puzzle; 2, 10, 44 (+2 hints)
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
$begingroup$
Will this sequence ever have a 6 in it?
9, 1, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 10, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 1, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 5, 1, 1, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 5, 3, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, ...
mathematics logical-deduction number-sequence number-theory
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Will this sequence ever have a 6 in it?
9, 1, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 10, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 1, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 5, 1, 1, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 5, 3, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, ...
mathematics logical-deduction number-sequence number-theory
$endgroup$
2
$begingroup$
I could only make a guess if I assume the title is correct! :) Guess I'll look further...
$endgroup$
– SteveV
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Will this sequence ever have a 6 in it?
9, 1, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 10, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 1, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 5, 1, 1, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 5, 3, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, ...
mathematics logical-deduction number-sequence number-theory
$endgroup$
Will this sequence ever have a 6 in it?
9, 1, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 10, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 1, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 1, 5, 1, 1, 1, 5, 2, 1, 1, 10, 5, 1, 1, 5, 3, 1, 1, 5, 4, 1, ...
mathematics logical-deduction number-sequence number-theory
mathematics logical-deduction number-sequence number-theory
asked 9 hours ago
BassBass
34.3k4 gold badges82 silver badges201 bronze badges
34.3k4 gold badges82 silver badges201 bronze badges
2
$begingroup$
I could only make a guess if I assume the title is correct! :) Guess I'll look further...
$endgroup$
– SteveV
9 hours ago
add a comment |
2
$begingroup$
I could only make a guess if I assume the title is correct! :) Guess I'll look further...
$endgroup$
– SteveV
9 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
I could only make a guess if I assume the title is correct! :) Guess I'll look further...
$endgroup$
– SteveV
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
I could only make a guess if I assume the title is correct! :) Guess I'll look further...
$endgroup$
– SteveV
9 hours ago
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
First, we should determine what the sequence is.
The title provides a big clue - IX suggests Roman numerals (indeed, the sequence starts 9 which is IX in Roman numerals). Moreover, the second part - "Say" suggests the look and say sequence.
Indeed, if we reparse everything into Roman numerals we get the following:
IX, I, I, I, X, III, I, I, X, V, I, ...
Ignoring the IX which is the "seed" of the sequence, taking every subsequent pair of numbers gives a run-length enumeration of every symbol: the sequence starts with 1 I, 1 X, 3 I, 1 X, 5 I, etc.
Therefore, this seems like a reasonable definition of the sequence.
Now, does a 6 ever appear in this sequence?
Every other character must be a single-lettered Roman numeral, i.e. 1, 5, 10, (50, 100, 500, and 1000 are probably not going to show up). So 6 cannot be part of those elements. The only way that it can appear is in the quantity section.
Since the largest number of consecutive number of symbols in a single Roman numeral is 3 (III, VIII, etc.)... wait hold on can't IIII show up in clock faces? Ok ok fine let's recheck.
Quick detour
Fortunately 4 shows up in the sequence. Kind of late, but it'll have to do.
The surroundings are X, I, I, I, V, IV(?), I, I, X. Fortunately X can't be spontaneously formed, so this will described by the next set of X: 1 X, 3 I, 1 V, 1 I, 1 V, 2 I, 1 X. Ok good, 4 = IV, confirmed.
Back to the show
The largest number of consecutive symbols within a single Roman numeral is 3. This rules out ever forming another 10 outside of the original: the absolute maximum quantity we can come up with is 7: something like III, I, III, (V/X)...
This shows that we can't have two X's in a "period", let alone in a row, so in order to get to 6 we must have [II, I], [III, V] or [III, I], [II, V].
Can we ever have two V's next to each other? There are two cases: either there are [V, V] or [?, V], [V, ?]. Consider the earliest instance of such. The former implies that there was an earlier run of 5 V's, which implies an earlier [V, V] (and also, two consecutive [?, V], not possible). (This shows that there can't ever be 3 V's.) The latter implies [III, I], [II, V] <= [?, (V/X)], [I, I], [I, V], [V, I]. (If it was [II, V] then there was an earlier V, V.)
This is preceded by (V/X)IVIIIII. This must be [I, X], [I, V], [III, I], [I, V] (avoiding [II, V/X]). This is preceded by XVIIIV which must be [I, X], [V, I], [II, V] or [I, X], [VI, I], [I, V] both which violate the earliest instance provision.
Therefore we may conclude that a 6 does not appear in this sequence.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "559"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fpuzzling.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f85930%2fix-nay-on-the-ix-say%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
First, we should determine what the sequence is.
The title provides a big clue - IX suggests Roman numerals (indeed, the sequence starts 9 which is IX in Roman numerals). Moreover, the second part - "Say" suggests the look and say sequence.
Indeed, if we reparse everything into Roman numerals we get the following:
IX, I, I, I, X, III, I, I, X, V, I, ...
Ignoring the IX which is the "seed" of the sequence, taking every subsequent pair of numbers gives a run-length enumeration of every symbol: the sequence starts with 1 I, 1 X, 3 I, 1 X, 5 I, etc.
Therefore, this seems like a reasonable definition of the sequence.
Now, does a 6 ever appear in this sequence?
Every other character must be a single-lettered Roman numeral, i.e. 1, 5, 10, (50, 100, 500, and 1000 are probably not going to show up). So 6 cannot be part of those elements. The only way that it can appear is in the quantity section.
Since the largest number of consecutive number of symbols in a single Roman numeral is 3 (III, VIII, etc.)... wait hold on can't IIII show up in clock faces? Ok ok fine let's recheck.
Quick detour
Fortunately 4 shows up in the sequence. Kind of late, but it'll have to do.
The surroundings are X, I, I, I, V, IV(?), I, I, X. Fortunately X can't be spontaneously formed, so this will described by the next set of X: 1 X, 3 I, 1 V, 1 I, 1 V, 2 I, 1 X. Ok good, 4 = IV, confirmed.
Back to the show
The largest number of consecutive symbols within a single Roman numeral is 3. This rules out ever forming another 10 outside of the original: the absolute maximum quantity we can come up with is 7: something like III, I, III, (V/X)...
This shows that we can't have two X's in a "period", let alone in a row, so in order to get to 6 we must have [II, I], [III, V] or [III, I], [II, V].
Can we ever have two V's next to each other? There are two cases: either there are [V, V] or [?, V], [V, ?]. Consider the earliest instance of such. The former implies that there was an earlier run of 5 V's, which implies an earlier [V, V] (and also, two consecutive [?, V], not possible). (This shows that there can't ever be 3 V's.) The latter implies [III, I], [II, V] <= [?, (V/X)], [I, I], [I, V], [V, I]. (If it was [II, V] then there was an earlier V, V.)
This is preceded by (V/X)IVIIIII. This must be [I, X], [I, V], [III, I], [I, V] (avoiding [II, V/X]). This is preceded by XVIIIV which must be [I, X], [V, I], [II, V] or [I, X], [VI, I], [I, V] both which violate the earliest instance provision.
Therefore we may conclude that a 6 does not appear in this sequence.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
First, we should determine what the sequence is.
The title provides a big clue - IX suggests Roman numerals (indeed, the sequence starts 9 which is IX in Roman numerals). Moreover, the second part - "Say" suggests the look and say sequence.
Indeed, if we reparse everything into Roman numerals we get the following:
IX, I, I, I, X, III, I, I, X, V, I, ...
Ignoring the IX which is the "seed" of the sequence, taking every subsequent pair of numbers gives a run-length enumeration of every symbol: the sequence starts with 1 I, 1 X, 3 I, 1 X, 5 I, etc.
Therefore, this seems like a reasonable definition of the sequence.
Now, does a 6 ever appear in this sequence?
Every other character must be a single-lettered Roman numeral, i.e. 1, 5, 10, (50, 100, 500, and 1000 are probably not going to show up). So 6 cannot be part of those elements. The only way that it can appear is in the quantity section.
Since the largest number of consecutive number of symbols in a single Roman numeral is 3 (III, VIII, etc.)... wait hold on can't IIII show up in clock faces? Ok ok fine let's recheck.
Quick detour
Fortunately 4 shows up in the sequence. Kind of late, but it'll have to do.
The surroundings are X, I, I, I, V, IV(?), I, I, X. Fortunately X can't be spontaneously formed, so this will described by the next set of X: 1 X, 3 I, 1 V, 1 I, 1 V, 2 I, 1 X. Ok good, 4 = IV, confirmed.
Back to the show
The largest number of consecutive symbols within a single Roman numeral is 3. This rules out ever forming another 10 outside of the original: the absolute maximum quantity we can come up with is 7: something like III, I, III, (V/X)...
This shows that we can't have two X's in a "period", let alone in a row, so in order to get to 6 we must have [II, I], [III, V] or [III, I], [II, V].
Can we ever have two V's next to each other? There are two cases: either there are [V, V] or [?, V], [V, ?]. Consider the earliest instance of such. The former implies that there was an earlier run of 5 V's, which implies an earlier [V, V] (and also, two consecutive [?, V], not possible). (This shows that there can't ever be 3 V's.) The latter implies [III, I], [II, V] <= [?, (V/X)], [I, I], [I, V], [V, I]. (If it was [II, V] then there was an earlier V, V.)
This is preceded by (V/X)IVIIIII. This must be [I, X], [I, V], [III, I], [I, V] (avoiding [II, V/X]). This is preceded by XVIIIV which must be [I, X], [V, I], [II, V] or [I, X], [VI, I], [I, V] both which violate the earliest instance provision.
Therefore we may conclude that a 6 does not appear in this sequence.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
First, we should determine what the sequence is.
The title provides a big clue - IX suggests Roman numerals (indeed, the sequence starts 9 which is IX in Roman numerals). Moreover, the second part - "Say" suggests the look and say sequence.
Indeed, if we reparse everything into Roman numerals we get the following:
IX, I, I, I, X, III, I, I, X, V, I, ...
Ignoring the IX which is the "seed" of the sequence, taking every subsequent pair of numbers gives a run-length enumeration of every symbol: the sequence starts with 1 I, 1 X, 3 I, 1 X, 5 I, etc.
Therefore, this seems like a reasonable definition of the sequence.
Now, does a 6 ever appear in this sequence?
Every other character must be a single-lettered Roman numeral, i.e. 1, 5, 10, (50, 100, 500, and 1000 are probably not going to show up). So 6 cannot be part of those elements. The only way that it can appear is in the quantity section.
Since the largest number of consecutive number of symbols in a single Roman numeral is 3 (III, VIII, etc.)... wait hold on can't IIII show up in clock faces? Ok ok fine let's recheck.
Quick detour
Fortunately 4 shows up in the sequence. Kind of late, but it'll have to do.
The surroundings are X, I, I, I, V, IV(?), I, I, X. Fortunately X can't be spontaneously formed, so this will described by the next set of X: 1 X, 3 I, 1 V, 1 I, 1 V, 2 I, 1 X. Ok good, 4 = IV, confirmed.
Back to the show
The largest number of consecutive symbols within a single Roman numeral is 3. This rules out ever forming another 10 outside of the original: the absolute maximum quantity we can come up with is 7: something like III, I, III, (V/X)...
This shows that we can't have two X's in a "period", let alone in a row, so in order to get to 6 we must have [II, I], [III, V] or [III, I], [II, V].
Can we ever have two V's next to each other? There are two cases: either there are [V, V] or [?, V], [V, ?]. Consider the earliest instance of such. The former implies that there was an earlier run of 5 V's, which implies an earlier [V, V] (and also, two consecutive [?, V], not possible). (This shows that there can't ever be 3 V's.) The latter implies [III, I], [II, V] <= [?, (V/X)], [I, I], [I, V], [V, I]. (If it was [II, V] then there was an earlier V, V.)
This is preceded by (V/X)IVIIIII. This must be [I, X], [I, V], [III, I], [I, V] (avoiding [II, V/X]). This is preceded by XVIIIV which must be [I, X], [V, I], [II, V] or [I, X], [VI, I], [I, V] both which violate the earliest instance provision.
Therefore we may conclude that a 6 does not appear in this sequence.
$endgroup$
First, we should determine what the sequence is.
The title provides a big clue - IX suggests Roman numerals (indeed, the sequence starts 9 which is IX in Roman numerals). Moreover, the second part - "Say" suggests the look and say sequence.
Indeed, if we reparse everything into Roman numerals we get the following:
IX, I, I, I, X, III, I, I, X, V, I, ...
Ignoring the IX which is the "seed" of the sequence, taking every subsequent pair of numbers gives a run-length enumeration of every symbol: the sequence starts with 1 I, 1 X, 3 I, 1 X, 5 I, etc.
Therefore, this seems like a reasonable definition of the sequence.
Now, does a 6 ever appear in this sequence?
Every other character must be a single-lettered Roman numeral, i.e. 1, 5, 10, (50, 100, 500, and 1000 are probably not going to show up). So 6 cannot be part of those elements. The only way that it can appear is in the quantity section.
Since the largest number of consecutive number of symbols in a single Roman numeral is 3 (III, VIII, etc.)... wait hold on can't IIII show up in clock faces? Ok ok fine let's recheck.
Quick detour
Fortunately 4 shows up in the sequence. Kind of late, but it'll have to do.
The surroundings are X, I, I, I, V, IV(?), I, I, X. Fortunately X can't be spontaneously formed, so this will described by the next set of X: 1 X, 3 I, 1 V, 1 I, 1 V, 2 I, 1 X. Ok good, 4 = IV, confirmed.
Back to the show
The largest number of consecutive symbols within a single Roman numeral is 3. This rules out ever forming another 10 outside of the original: the absolute maximum quantity we can come up with is 7: something like III, I, III, (V/X)...
This shows that we can't have two X's in a "period", let alone in a row, so in order to get to 6 we must have [II, I], [III, V] or [III, I], [II, V].
Can we ever have two V's next to each other? There are two cases: either there are [V, V] or [?, V], [V, ?]. Consider the earliest instance of such. The former implies that there was an earlier run of 5 V's, which implies an earlier [V, V] (and also, two consecutive [?, V], not possible). (This shows that there can't ever be 3 V's.) The latter implies [III, I], [II, V] <= [?, (V/X)], [I, I], [I, V], [V, I]. (If it was [II, V] then there was an earlier V, V.)
This is preceded by (V/X)IVIIIII. This must be [I, X], [I, V], [III, I], [I, V] (avoiding [II, V/X]). This is preceded by XVIIIV which must be [I, X], [V, I], [II, V] or [I, X], [VI, I], [I, V] both which violate the earliest instance provision.
Therefore we may conclude that a 6 does not appear in this sequence.
answered 8 hours ago
phenomistphenomist
10k37 silver badges58 bronze badges
10k37 silver badges58 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Puzzling Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fpuzzling.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f85930%2fix-nay-on-the-ix-say%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
2
$begingroup$
I could only make a guess if I assume the title is correct! :) Guess I'll look further...
$endgroup$
– SteveV
9 hours ago