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How do certain apps show new notifications when internet access is restricted to them?
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I have disabled WhatsApp's access to Internet by disabling both WLAN-usage and mobile network usage.
I thought this should block WhatsApp from accessing the internet. But miraculously WhatsApp gives me a message with ominous content: "You might have new messages"
When I open WA it does not show any messages. When I then give it back it's access rights wonder what, there are messages I received the same day!
So to me it looks as if this app has found its way to sneak around my network restrictions.
So the following questions arise:
- Is my assumption about the effectiveness of restricting the "data usage" for apps wrong?
- Does WhatsApp hack around the standard restrictions?
applications push-notifications
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I have disabled WhatsApp's access to Internet by disabling both WLAN-usage and mobile network usage.
I thought this should block WhatsApp from accessing the internet. But miraculously WhatsApp gives me a message with ominous content: "You might have new messages"
When I open WA it does not show any messages. When I then give it back it's access rights wonder what, there are messages I received the same day!
So to me it looks as if this app has found its way to sneak around my network restrictions.
So the following questions arise:
- Is my assumption about the effectiveness of restricting the "data usage" for apps wrong?
- Does WhatsApp hack around the standard restrictions?
applications push-notifications
edited 7 hours ago
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@Firelord Good generalisation of my question. I wasn't aware of this possibility. And I did not grasp the concept of push notification on my phone. You covered the problem very well!
– Ariser
4 hours ago
@IrfanLatif this one had a slightly bit more of a context, so I chose this one as a target. The convention is to respect the older one, but the discretion gives space to pick one that appears better as a question.
– Firelord♦
4 hours ago
@Firelord alright.
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I have disabled WhatsApp's access to Internet by disabling both WLAN-usage and mobile network usage.
I thought this should block WhatsApp from accessing the internet. But miraculously WhatsApp gives me a message with ominous content: "You might have new messages"
When I open WA it does not show any messages. When I then give it back it's access rights wonder what, there are messages I received the same day!
So to me it looks as if this app has found its way to sneak around my network restrictions.
So the following questions arise:
- Is my assumption about the effectiveness of restricting the "data usage" for apps wrong?
- Does WhatsApp hack around the standard restrictions?
applications push-notifications
edited 7 hours ago
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asked 9 hours ago
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I have disabled WhatsApp's access to Internet by disabling both WLAN-usage and mobile network usage.
I thought this should block WhatsApp from accessing the internet. But miraculously WhatsApp gives me a message with ominous content: "You might have new messages"
When I open WA it does not show any messages. When I then give it back it's access rights wonder what, there are messages I received the same day!
So to me it looks as if this app has found its way to sneak around my network restrictions.
So the following questions arise:
- Is my assumption about the effectiveness of restricting the "data usage" for apps wrong?
- Does WhatsApp hack around the standard restrictions?
applications push-notifications
applications push-notifications
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@Firelord Good generalisation of my question. I wasn't aware of this possibility. And I did not grasp the concept of push notification on my phone. You covered the problem very well!
– Ariser
4 hours ago
@IrfanLatif this one had a slightly bit more of a context, so I chose this one as a target. The convention is to respect the older one, but the discretion gives space to pick one that appears better as a question.
– Firelord♦
4 hours ago
@Firelord alright.
– Irfan Latif
4 hours ago
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@Firelord Good generalisation of my question. I wasn't aware of this possibility. And I did not grasp the concept of push notification on my phone. You covered the problem very well!
– Ariser
4 hours ago
@IrfanLatif this one had a slightly bit more of a context, so I chose this one as a target. The convention is to respect the older one, but the discretion gives space to pick one that appears better as a question.
– Firelord♦
4 hours ago
@Firelord alright.
– Irfan Latif
4 hours ago
@Firelord Good generalisation of my question. I wasn't aware of this possibility. And I did not grasp the concept of push notification on my phone. You covered the problem very well!
– Ariser
4 hours ago
@Firelord Good generalisation of my question. I wasn't aware of this possibility. And I did not grasp the concept of push notification on my phone. You covered the problem very well!
– Ariser
4 hours ago
@IrfanLatif this one had a slightly bit more of a context, so I chose this one as a target. The convention is to respect the older one, but the discretion gives space to pick one that appears better as a question.
– Firelord♦
4 hours ago
@IrfanLatif this one had a slightly bit more of a context, so I chose this one as a target. The convention is to respect the older one, but the discretion gives space to pick one that appears better as a question.
– Firelord♦
4 hours ago
@Firelord alright.
– Irfan Latif
4 hours ago
@Firelord alright.
– Irfan Latif
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App developers can tell better but what I perceive is that many modern apps use Firebase Cloud Messaging - a proprietary service from Google, not part of AOSP - for push notifications. In fact developers are forced to use Google's proprietary products unnoticeably. Quoted from here:
The Doze restriction on network access is also likely to affect your app, especially if the app relies on real-time messages such as tickles or notifications. If your app requires a persistent connection to the network to receive messages, you should use Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM) if possible.
...
FCM is optimized to work with Doze and App Standby idle modes by means of high-priority FCM messages.
FCM is a part of Google Play Services (1):
FCM SDK's only hard dependency is Google Play Services
Play Services is a set of apps which are injected to Android devices with highly privileged permissions, so they aren't subject to data/battery restrictions.
Since you have blocked only the app and not Play Services, app may receive push notifications (though the actual data may not be delivered to the app).
So block GMS in order to block push notifications. Or choose the apps which aren't fond of Google.
RELATED: What is the exact functionality of Google Play Services & Services Framework?
answered Aug 7 at 6:36
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See also: github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/blob/master/…
– Lucas Ramage
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@LucasRamage yeah, gradually taking control.
– Irfan Latif
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WhatsApp can't access the internet at then moment. However it still receives the configured push notifications via Google Play Services. The Google Play Service is a different app on your device that still has Internet access.
Those push messages don't contain the actual message and WhatsApp just uses them as a notifier. Whenever such a push notification message arrives WhatsApp knows that there are new messages and tries to contact the WhatsApp server to retrieve it.
In your case the connection to the WhatsApp server fails and WhatsApp only displays you the message "You might have new messages".
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No, WhatsApp does not hack around the network restrictions. The app after a certain amount not being able to connect to its server because you have disabled internet connection is just guessing. That's why you get the message: "You may have new messages" from its Failure notifications channel.
From How to stop WhatsApp 'Yoi may have new messages' notification:
As such, though WhatsApp is running and mobile data is turned on, it may not be able to access the internet.
It's only recourse is therefore to throw this notification as a guess since I suspect it can’t tell the difference when a poor network is to blame and when its network rights are being micromanaged by the OS.
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App developers can tell better but what I perceive is that many modern apps use Firebase Cloud Messaging - a proprietary service from Google, not part of AOSP - for push notifications. In fact developers are forced to use Google's proprietary products unnoticeably. Quoted from here:
The Doze restriction on network access is also likely to affect your app, especially if the app relies on real-time messages such as tickles or notifications. If your app requires a persistent connection to the network to receive messages, you should use Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM) if possible.
...
FCM is optimized to work with Doze and App Standby idle modes by means of high-priority FCM messages.
FCM is a part of Google Play Services (1):
FCM SDK's only hard dependency is Google Play Services
Play Services is a set of apps which are injected to Android devices with highly privileged permissions, so they aren't subject to data/battery restrictions.
Since you have blocked only the app and not Play Services, app may receive push notifications (though the actual data may not be delivered to the app).
So block GMS in order to block push notifications. Or choose the apps which aren't fond of Google.
RELATED: What is the exact functionality of Google Play Services & Services Framework?
answered Aug 7 at 6:36
Irfan LatifIrfan Latif
4,1007 silver badges28 bronze badges
See also: github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/blob/master/…
– Lucas Ramage
6 hours ago
@LucasRamage yeah, gradually taking control.
– Irfan Latif
6 hours ago
add a comment
|
App developers can tell better but what I perceive is that many modern apps use Firebase Cloud Messaging - a proprietary service from Google, not part of AOSP - for push notifications. In fact developers are forced to use Google's proprietary products unnoticeably. Quoted from here:
The Doze restriction on network access is also likely to affect your app, especially if the app relies on real-time messages such as tickles or notifications. If your app requires a persistent connection to the network to receive messages, you should use Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM) if possible.
...
FCM is optimized to work with Doze and App Standby idle modes by means of high-priority FCM messages.
FCM is a part of Google Play Services (1):
FCM SDK's only hard dependency is Google Play Services
Play Services is a set of apps which are injected to Android devices with highly privileged permissions, so they aren't subject to data/battery restrictions.
Since you have blocked only the app and not Play Services, app may receive push notifications (though the actual data may not be delivered to the app).
So block GMS in order to block push notifications. Or choose the apps which aren't fond of Google.
RELATED: What is the exact functionality of Google Play Services & Services Framework?
answered Aug 7 at 6:36
Irfan LatifIrfan Latif
4,1007 silver badges28 bronze badges
See also: github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/blob/master/…
– Lucas Ramage
6 hours ago
@LucasRamage yeah, gradually taking control.
– Irfan Latif
6 hours ago
add a comment
|
App developers can tell better but what I perceive is that many modern apps use Firebase Cloud Messaging - a proprietary service from Google, not part of AOSP - for push notifications. In fact developers are forced to use Google's proprietary products unnoticeably. Quoted from here:
The Doze restriction on network access is also likely to affect your app, especially if the app relies on real-time messages such as tickles or notifications. If your app requires a persistent connection to the network to receive messages, you should use Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM) if possible.
...
FCM is optimized to work with Doze and App Standby idle modes by means of high-priority FCM messages.
FCM is a part of Google Play Services (1):
FCM SDK's only hard dependency is Google Play Services
Play Services is a set of apps which are injected to Android devices with highly privileged permissions, so they aren't subject to data/battery restrictions.
Since you have blocked only the app and not Play Services, app may receive push notifications (though the actual data may not be delivered to the app).
So block GMS in order to block push notifications. Or choose the apps which aren't fond of Google.
RELATED: What is the exact functionality of Google Play Services & Services Framework?
answered Aug 7 at 6:36
Irfan LatifIrfan Latif
4,1007 silver badges28 bronze badges
App developers can tell better but what I perceive is that many modern apps use Firebase Cloud Messaging - a proprietary service from Google, not part of AOSP - for push notifications. In fact developers are forced to use Google's proprietary products unnoticeably. Quoted from here:
The Doze restriction on network access is also likely to affect your app, especially if the app relies on real-time messages such as tickles or notifications. If your app requires a persistent connection to the network to receive messages, you should use Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM) if possible.
...
FCM is optimized to work with Doze and App Standby idle modes by means of high-priority FCM messages.
FCM is a part of Google Play Services (1):
FCM SDK's only hard dependency is Google Play Services
Play Services is a set of apps which are injected to Android devices with highly privileged permissions, so they aren't subject to data/battery restrictions.
Since you have blocked only the app and not Play Services, app may receive push notifications (though the actual data may not be delivered to the app).
So block GMS in order to block push notifications. Or choose the apps which aren't fond of Google.
RELATED: What is the exact functionality of Google Play Services & Services Framework?
answered Aug 7 at 6:36
Irfan LatifIrfan Latif
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edited Sep 9 at 21:49
answered Aug 7 at 6:36
Irfan LatifIrfan Latif
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answered Aug 7 at 6:36
Irfan LatifIrfan Latif
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answered Aug 7 at 6:36
Irfan LatifIrfan Latif
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4,1007 silver badges28 bronze badges
See also: github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/blob/master/…
– Lucas Ramage
6 hours ago
@LucasRamage yeah, gradually taking control.
– Irfan Latif
6 hours ago
add a comment
|
See also: github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/blob/master/…
– Lucas Ramage
6 hours ago
@LucasRamage yeah, gradually taking control.
– Irfan Latif
6 hours ago
See also: github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/blob/master/…
– Lucas Ramage
6 hours ago
See also: github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/blob/master/…
– Lucas Ramage
6 hours ago
@LucasRamage yeah, gradually taking control.
– Irfan Latif
6 hours ago
@LucasRamage yeah, gradually taking control.
– Irfan Latif
6 hours ago
add a comment
|
WhatsApp can't access the internet at then moment. However it still receives the configured push notifications via Google Play Services. The Google Play Service is a different app on your device that still has Internet access.
Those push messages don't contain the actual message and WhatsApp just uses them as a notifier. Whenever such a push notification message arrives WhatsApp knows that there are new messages and tries to contact the WhatsApp server to retrieve it.
In your case the connection to the WhatsApp server fails and WhatsApp only displays you the message "You might have new messages".
answered 9 hours ago
RobertRobert
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WhatsApp can't access the internet at then moment. However it still receives the configured push notifications via Google Play Services. The Google Play Service is a different app on your device that still has Internet access.
Those push messages don't contain the actual message and WhatsApp just uses them as a notifier. Whenever such a push notification message arrives WhatsApp knows that there are new messages and tries to contact the WhatsApp server to retrieve it.
In your case the connection to the WhatsApp server fails and WhatsApp only displays you the message "You might have new messages".
answered 9 hours ago
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WhatsApp can't access the internet at then moment. However it still receives the configured push notifications via Google Play Services. The Google Play Service is a different app on your device that still has Internet access.
Those push messages don't contain the actual message and WhatsApp just uses them as a notifier. Whenever such a push notification message arrives WhatsApp knows that there are new messages and tries to contact the WhatsApp server to retrieve it.
In your case the connection to the WhatsApp server fails and WhatsApp only displays you the message "You might have new messages".
answered 9 hours ago
RobertRobert
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WhatsApp can't access the internet at then moment. However it still receives the configured push notifications via Google Play Services. The Google Play Service is a different app on your device that still has Internet access.
Those push messages don't contain the actual message and WhatsApp just uses them as a notifier. Whenever such a push notification message arrives WhatsApp knows that there are new messages and tries to contact the WhatsApp server to retrieve it.
In your case the connection to the WhatsApp server fails and WhatsApp only displays you the message "You might have new messages".
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No, WhatsApp does not hack around the network restrictions. The app after a certain amount not being able to connect to its server because you have disabled internet connection is just guessing. That's why you get the message: "You may have new messages" from its Failure notifications channel.
From How to stop WhatsApp 'Yoi may have new messages' notification:
As such, though WhatsApp is running and mobile data is turned on, it may not be able to access the internet.
It's only recourse is therefore to throw this notification as a guess since I suspect it can’t tell the difference when a poor network is to blame and when its network rights are being micromanaged by the OS.
answered 8 hours ago
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No, WhatsApp does not hack around the network restrictions. The app after a certain amount not being able to connect to its server because you have disabled internet connection is just guessing. That's why you get the message: "You may have new messages" from its Failure notifications channel.
From How to stop WhatsApp 'Yoi may have new messages' notification:
As such, though WhatsApp is running and mobile data is turned on, it may not be able to access the internet.
It's only recourse is therefore to throw this notification as a guess since I suspect it can’t tell the difference when a poor network is to blame and when its network rights are being micromanaged by the OS.
answered 8 hours ago
Reddy LutonadioReddy Lutonadio
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No, WhatsApp does not hack around the network restrictions. The app after a certain amount not being able to connect to its server because you have disabled internet connection is just guessing. That's why you get the message: "You may have new messages" from its Failure notifications channel.
From How to stop WhatsApp 'Yoi may have new messages' notification:
As such, though WhatsApp is running and mobile data is turned on, it may not be able to access the internet.
It's only recourse is therefore to throw this notification as a guess since I suspect it can’t tell the difference when a poor network is to blame and when its network rights are being micromanaged by the OS.
answered 8 hours ago
Reddy LutonadioReddy Lutonadio
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No, WhatsApp does not hack around the network restrictions. The app after a certain amount not being able to connect to its server because you have disabled internet connection is just guessing. That's why you get the message: "You may have new messages" from its Failure notifications channel.
From How to stop WhatsApp 'Yoi may have new messages' notification:
As such, though WhatsApp is running and mobile data is turned on, it may not be able to access the internet.
It's only recourse is therefore to throw this notification as a guess since I suspect it can’t tell the difference when a poor network is to blame and when its network rights are being micromanaged by the OS.
answered 8 hours ago
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@Firelord Good generalisation of my question. I wasn't aware of this possibility. And I did not grasp the concept of push notification on my phone. You covered the problem very well!
– Ariser
4 hours ago
@IrfanLatif this one had a slightly bit more of a context, so I chose this one as a target. The convention is to respect the older one, but the discretion gives space to pick one that appears better as a question.
– Firelord♦
4 hours ago
@Firelord alright.
– Irfan Latif
4 hours ago