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How to identify whether a publisher is genuine or not?
How to correctly identify publisher?Is it a good idea to give your manuscript for publishing to a considerably new publisher (start-up)?How do I write a letter to a publisher?Revising a manuscript and resubmitting to same publisher?How to correctly identify publisher?What is the best publisher for a computer science bookAre there any well-known fiction author-publisher fights about royalty and copyright retention?Is it better to disclude your age when submitting to a publisher if you are young?Could I get a publisher outside of my home country to publish my work?Legal snags publishing a short story with one publisher, extended story with another publisher?As an author, how can you ensure that your agent/publisher isn’t ripping you off by pocketing your money and giving you false info about sales?How to find the right publisher in the USA besides contacting literary agents?
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Despite an identical title: This question is in no means duplicate of this question.
In my local area, there have been various ads running on social media that invite novice writers to contribute their original writings for their upcoming anthologies, books, and novellas that will be published both as e-book and as paperback. In return, the writers would get the e-certificate. Each submission is to be done with some x Rupees to them.
I checked out their social media pages and I found that these publishers are kinda startups in this field, I could see their address, contact number, as well as photograph of the team working their on their pages. These all look genuine to me. So I am confused, what parameters does a writer have to keep in mind to identify if a publisher is genuine, and not fake?
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publisher ethics
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Despite an identical title: This question is in no means duplicate of this question.
In my local area, there have been various ads running on social media that invite novice writers to contribute their original writings for their upcoming anthologies, books, and novellas that will be published both as e-book and as paperback. In return, the writers would get the e-certificate. Each submission is to be done with some x Rupees to them.
I checked out their social media pages and I found that these publishers are kinda startups in this field, I could see their address, contact number, as well as photograph of the team working their on their pages. These all look genuine to me. So I am confused, what parameters does a writer have to keep in mind to identify if a publisher is genuine, and not fake?
Follow up question #2
publisher ethics
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What is an e-certificate?
– Lauren Ipsum
4 hours ago
E-certificate - A certificate awarded in PDF (mostly via a link) online and not a hardcopy.
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
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I think Lauren was asking what the certificate certifies. If not, I'm asking. I'm not aware of certificates of any kind being required or exchanged in publishing contracts in the jurisdictions I am aware of. Is this a legitimate thing in your jurisdiction, of just something the "publisher" made up?
– Mark Baker
2 hours ago
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Despite an identical title: This question is in no means duplicate of this question.
In my local area, there have been various ads running on social media that invite novice writers to contribute their original writings for their upcoming anthologies, books, and novellas that will be published both as e-book and as paperback. In return, the writers would get the e-certificate. Each submission is to be done with some x Rupees to them.
I checked out their social media pages and I found that these publishers are kinda startups in this field, I could see their address, contact number, as well as photograph of the team working their on their pages. These all look genuine to me. So I am confused, what parameters does a writer have to keep in mind to identify if a publisher is genuine, and not fake?
Follow up question #2
publisher ethics
Despite an identical title: This question is in no means duplicate of this question.
In my local area, there have been various ads running on social media that invite novice writers to contribute their original writings for their upcoming anthologies, books, and novellas that will be published both as e-book and as paperback. In return, the writers would get the e-certificate. Each submission is to be done with some x Rupees to them.
I checked out their social media pages and I found that these publishers are kinda startups in this field, I could see their address, contact number, as well as photograph of the team working their on their pages. These all look genuine to me. So I am confused, what parameters does a writer have to keep in mind to identify if a publisher is genuine, and not fake?
Follow up question #2
publisher ethics
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What is an e-certificate?
– Lauren Ipsum
4 hours ago
E-certificate - A certificate awarded in PDF (mostly via a link) online and not a hardcopy.
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
I think Lauren was asking what the certificate certifies. If not, I'm asking. I'm not aware of certificates of any kind being required or exchanged in publishing contracts in the jurisdictions I am aware of. Is this a legitimate thing in your jurisdiction, of just something the "publisher" made up?
– Mark Baker
2 hours ago
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1
What is an e-certificate?
– Lauren Ipsum
4 hours ago
E-certificate - A certificate awarded in PDF (mostly via a link) online and not a hardcopy.
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
I think Lauren was asking what the certificate certifies. If not, I'm asking. I'm not aware of certificates of any kind being required or exchanged in publishing contracts in the jurisdictions I am aware of. Is this a legitimate thing in your jurisdiction, of just something the "publisher" made up?
– Mark Baker
2 hours ago
1
1
What is an e-certificate?
– Lauren Ipsum
4 hours ago
What is an e-certificate?
– Lauren Ipsum
4 hours ago
E-certificate - A certificate awarded in PDF (mostly via a link) online and not a hardcopy.
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
E-certificate - A certificate awarded in PDF (mostly via a link) online and not a hardcopy.
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
2
I think Lauren was asking what the certificate certifies. If not, I'm asking. I'm not aware of certificates of any kind being required or exchanged in publishing contracts in the jurisdictions I am aware of. Is this a legitimate thing in your jurisdiction, of just something the "publisher" made up?
– Mark Baker
2 hours ago
I think Lauren was asking what the certificate certifies. If not, I'm asking. I'm not aware of certificates of any kind being required or exchanged in publishing contracts in the jurisdictions I am aware of. Is this a legitimate thing in your jurisdiction, of just something the "publisher" made up?
– Mark Baker
2 hours ago
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First, real publishers don't advertise. It is really as simple as that. No legitimate publisher advertises for submissions because any real publisher is bombarded with manuscripts on a constant basis. Their concern is not to find more. Their concern it to make the barrage stop. If real publishers are looking outside of the slush pile for authors, they look to agents or they go after established writers or celebrities directly. Real publishers don't advertise. End of story.
Second, real published don't charge writers money. Real publishers give writers money. If you are giving them money, they are not a publisher. They are, at best, a publishing services company that performs some of the mechanical aspects of publishing for a client. It is the client, and not the services company that is the publisher. Thus the term self-publishing. Notably, such companies do not perform the single most important function of a publisher, which is determining the market potential of a book before publishing it. If they ask you for money, they are not a real publisher.
There are plenty of other ways to check as well. Multiple sites keep track of the industry and report on dubious practices. There are probably different ones for different markets, but https://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/ is one of the mainstays.
Finally, there are directories like Writer's Market, the Writers and Artists Yearbook, and Duotrope that list legitimate publishers and put some degree of effort into verifying them. Again, there are probably different titles in different markets.
To determine if a publishing services company is at least honest in their business practices, you would do the same kind of consumer research that you would do before hiring any other kind of services company. Google then, look for reviews, check with other clients, check that they have a physical business address, check how long they have been in business, check with the Better Business Bureau, etc.
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Thank you for the answer and for that helpful link. However I would like to clarify that, the counter point that is put forward for "real publishers don't advertise" and "real publishers dont charge" is that they are new (start-up), so they are informing writers via these ads that they are accepting submissions and as they are new, they are charging some bucks. How far should I fall for such counter arguments at all?
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
@KaranDesai Not at all. If you legitimately want to start a publishing company, you go about it the same way you would starting any other company. You raise capital from investors and use it to pay your suppliers (writers, in the publisher's case). There is the Kickstarter model that raises capital from potential customers. But pay-to-publish is raising revenue (not capital) from suppliers (writers), and that is not a legit model. (The writer is the customer of a publishing services company, but the supplier of a true publishing company.)
– Mark Baker
1 hour ago
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Anthologies are often different from other publishing. It is common for small publishers or even individuals to put together a call for an anthology to include any short work: comics, artwork, poems, short stories, essays, even novellas. The author never pays the publisher for this. It is normal for the publisher to offer a flat payment (usually token) or a royalty on net profits. It's also normal to be paid in nothing but a free copy or two (usually one gets free e-books at least).
Small anthologies may use Kickstarter or similar programs to raise the capital needed to print the books. Even e-books may have fixed costs. Authors could contribute to these, but wouldn't be expected to.
What you're describing though isn't just anthologies. You talk about books being published. And a fee to the publisher for doing so.
This is called a vanity press or author services, depending what they're doing. Nowadays we also have print-on-demand publishers. In each case, the author is self-publishing but doing so with the help of a business. These businesses can be completely legitimate (or not, like with any type of business). But that doesn't mean you want to use them.
The companies you're coming across might be providing slightly different services and might be a cross between a vanity press and a small press (which is a traditional publisher who is just small), or they could be a vanity press pretending to be a publisher.
You have two separate tasks here:
- Figure out what the business claims to do, with what financial arrangement, and if that's something you want.
- Figure out if the individual business does what they claim (if they're a scam or not).
If you want a traditional publisher, then these aren't it. If you want to self-publish but with some professional assistance, then a company like these might be helpful (but research them thoroughly).
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A publisher that primarily makes money from authors, not from sales, is called a "vanity press." These are generally not considered real or legitimate publishers in the industry. However they do serve a niche --for writers who just want to see their work in print, who aren't looking for the prestige of a "real" publisher, who don't want to do the work themselves to self-publish, who don't expect or care about any further outcome, who know not to expect outside sales, and who are willing to pay a steep upcharge in order to make it into print.
Where these groups cross the line into being unethical is when they promise fame, fortune and prestige to writers for "just a small initial investment," despite the fact that most vanity press books never sell any copies (except to the author's friends and family), that next to no customers of these presses ever make their money back, and that the prestige of being published by one is nil (since it's always open to anyone willing to pay for it.)
It's worth noting, however, that a new trend in publishing is cooperative presses, where multiple authors contribute to an anthology, and then commit to selling copies to cover the cost of the printing. This is a bit of a gray area overlap with vanity presses, but the difference is that prices are not inflated to make money off the participants, and the sales pay for the printing. A setup like that is not necessarily unethical, as long as all the participants are very clear about the terms of their participation (although --not unlike Girl Scout cookies, or other direct sales schemes --it does tend to put an extra burden on the writers' friends and family members).
Perhaps not unethical, but certainly unprofitable, and therefore still vanity publishing. In fact, unless an agent, publisher, or professional organization would consider it a publishing credit, it is vanity publishing, no matter what the financial arrangements are.
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First, real publishers don't advertise. It is really as simple as that. No legitimate publisher advertises for submissions because any real publisher is bombarded with manuscripts on a constant basis. Their concern is not to find more. Their concern it to make the barrage stop. If real publishers are looking outside of the slush pile for authors, they look to agents or they go after established writers or celebrities directly. Real publishers don't advertise. End of story.
Second, real published don't charge writers money. Real publishers give writers money. If you are giving them money, they are not a publisher. They are, at best, a publishing services company that performs some of the mechanical aspects of publishing for a client. It is the client, and not the services company that is the publisher. Thus the term self-publishing. Notably, such companies do not perform the single most important function of a publisher, which is determining the market potential of a book before publishing it. If they ask you for money, they are not a real publisher.
There are plenty of other ways to check as well. Multiple sites keep track of the industry and report on dubious practices. There are probably different ones for different markets, but https://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/ is one of the mainstays.
Finally, there are directories like Writer's Market, the Writers and Artists Yearbook, and Duotrope that list legitimate publishers and put some degree of effort into verifying them. Again, there are probably different titles in different markets.
To determine if a publishing services company is at least honest in their business practices, you would do the same kind of consumer research that you would do before hiring any other kind of services company. Google then, look for reviews, check with other clients, check that they have a physical business address, check how long they have been in business, check with the Better Business Bureau, etc.
1
Thank you for the answer and for that helpful link. However I would like to clarify that, the counter point that is put forward for "real publishers don't advertise" and "real publishers dont charge" is that they are new (start-up), so they are informing writers via these ads that they are accepting submissions and as they are new, they are charging some bucks. How far should I fall for such counter arguments at all?
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
@KaranDesai Not at all. If you legitimately want to start a publishing company, you go about it the same way you would starting any other company. You raise capital from investors and use it to pay your suppliers (writers, in the publisher's case). There is the Kickstarter model that raises capital from potential customers. But pay-to-publish is raising revenue (not capital) from suppliers (writers), and that is not a legit model. (The writer is the customer of a publishing services company, but the supplier of a true publishing company.)
– Mark Baker
1 hour ago
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First, real publishers don't advertise. It is really as simple as that. No legitimate publisher advertises for submissions because any real publisher is bombarded with manuscripts on a constant basis. Their concern is not to find more. Their concern it to make the barrage stop. If real publishers are looking outside of the slush pile for authors, they look to agents or they go after established writers or celebrities directly. Real publishers don't advertise. End of story.
Second, real published don't charge writers money. Real publishers give writers money. If you are giving them money, they are not a publisher. They are, at best, a publishing services company that performs some of the mechanical aspects of publishing for a client. It is the client, and not the services company that is the publisher. Thus the term self-publishing. Notably, such companies do not perform the single most important function of a publisher, which is determining the market potential of a book before publishing it. If they ask you for money, they are not a real publisher.
There are plenty of other ways to check as well. Multiple sites keep track of the industry and report on dubious practices. There are probably different ones for different markets, but https://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/ is one of the mainstays.
Finally, there are directories like Writer's Market, the Writers and Artists Yearbook, and Duotrope that list legitimate publishers and put some degree of effort into verifying them. Again, there are probably different titles in different markets.
To determine if a publishing services company is at least honest in their business practices, you would do the same kind of consumer research that you would do before hiring any other kind of services company. Google then, look for reviews, check with other clients, check that they have a physical business address, check how long they have been in business, check with the Better Business Bureau, etc.
1
Thank you for the answer and for that helpful link. However I would like to clarify that, the counter point that is put forward for "real publishers don't advertise" and "real publishers dont charge" is that they are new (start-up), so they are informing writers via these ads that they are accepting submissions and as they are new, they are charging some bucks. How far should I fall for such counter arguments at all?
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
@KaranDesai Not at all. If you legitimately want to start a publishing company, you go about it the same way you would starting any other company. You raise capital from investors and use it to pay your suppliers (writers, in the publisher's case). There is the Kickstarter model that raises capital from potential customers. But pay-to-publish is raising revenue (not capital) from suppliers (writers), and that is not a legit model. (The writer is the customer of a publishing services company, but the supplier of a true publishing company.)
– Mark Baker
1 hour ago
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First, real publishers don't advertise. It is really as simple as that. No legitimate publisher advertises for submissions because any real publisher is bombarded with manuscripts on a constant basis. Their concern is not to find more. Their concern it to make the barrage stop. If real publishers are looking outside of the slush pile for authors, they look to agents or they go after established writers or celebrities directly. Real publishers don't advertise. End of story.
Second, real published don't charge writers money. Real publishers give writers money. If you are giving them money, they are not a publisher. They are, at best, a publishing services company that performs some of the mechanical aspects of publishing for a client. It is the client, and not the services company that is the publisher. Thus the term self-publishing. Notably, such companies do not perform the single most important function of a publisher, which is determining the market potential of a book before publishing it. If they ask you for money, they are not a real publisher.
There are plenty of other ways to check as well. Multiple sites keep track of the industry and report on dubious practices. There are probably different ones for different markets, but https://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/ is one of the mainstays.
Finally, there are directories like Writer's Market, the Writers and Artists Yearbook, and Duotrope that list legitimate publishers and put some degree of effort into verifying them. Again, there are probably different titles in different markets.
To determine if a publishing services company is at least honest in their business practices, you would do the same kind of consumer research that you would do before hiring any other kind of services company. Google then, look for reviews, check with other clients, check that they have a physical business address, check how long they have been in business, check with the Better Business Bureau, etc.
First, real publishers don't advertise. It is really as simple as that. No legitimate publisher advertises for submissions because any real publisher is bombarded with manuscripts on a constant basis. Their concern is not to find more. Their concern it to make the barrage stop. If real publishers are looking outside of the slush pile for authors, they look to agents or they go after established writers or celebrities directly. Real publishers don't advertise. End of story.
Second, real published don't charge writers money. Real publishers give writers money. If you are giving them money, they are not a publisher. They are, at best, a publishing services company that performs some of the mechanical aspects of publishing for a client. It is the client, and not the services company that is the publisher. Thus the term self-publishing. Notably, such companies do not perform the single most important function of a publisher, which is determining the market potential of a book before publishing it. If they ask you for money, they are not a real publisher.
There are plenty of other ways to check as well. Multiple sites keep track of the industry and report on dubious practices. There are probably different ones for different markets, but https://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/ is one of the mainstays.
Finally, there are directories like Writer's Market, the Writers and Artists Yearbook, and Duotrope that list legitimate publishers and put some degree of effort into verifying them. Again, there are probably different titles in different markets.
To determine if a publishing services company is at least honest in their business practices, you would do the same kind of consumer research that you would do before hiring any other kind of services company. Google then, look for reviews, check with other clients, check that they have a physical business address, check how long they have been in business, check with the Better Business Bureau, etc.
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Thank you for the answer and for that helpful link. However I would like to clarify that, the counter point that is put forward for "real publishers don't advertise" and "real publishers dont charge" is that they are new (start-up), so they are informing writers via these ads that they are accepting submissions and as they are new, they are charging some bucks. How far should I fall for such counter arguments at all?
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
@KaranDesai Not at all. If you legitimately want to start a publishing company, you go about it the same way you would starting any other company. You raise capital from investors and use it to pay your suppliers (writers, in the publisher's case). There is the Kickstarter model that raises capital from potential customers. But pay-to-publish is raising revenue (not capital) from suppliers (writers), and that is not a legit model. (The writer is the customer of a publishing services company, but the supplier of a true publishing company.)
– Mark Baker
1 hour ago
add a comment
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1
Thank you for the answer and for that helpful link. However I would like to clarify that, the counter point that is put forward for "real publishers don't advertise" and "real publishers dont charge" is that they are new (start-up), so they are informing writers via these ads that they are accepting submissions and as they are new, they are charging some bucks. How far should I fall for such counter arguments at all?
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
@KaranDesai Not at all. If you legitimately want to start a publishing company, you go about it the same way you would starting any other company. You raise capital from investors and use it to pay your suppliers (writers, in the publisher's case). There is the Kickstarter model that raises capital from potential customers. But pay-to-publish is raising revenue (not capital) from suppliers (writers), and that is not a legit model. (The writer is the customer of a publishing services company, but the supplier of a true publishing company.)
– Mark Baker
1 hour ago
1
1
Thank you for the answer and for that helpful link. However I would like to clarify that, the counter point that is put forward for "real publishers don't advertise" and "real publishers dont charge" is that they are new (start-up), so they are informing writers via these ads that they are accepting submissions and as they are new, they are charging some bucks. How far should I fall for such counter arguments at all?
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
Thank you for the answer and for that helpful link. However I would like to clarify that, the counter point that is put forward for "real publishers don't advertise" and "real publishers dont charge" is that they are new (start-up), so they are informing writers via these ads that they are accepting submissions and as they are new, they are charging some bucks. How far should I fall for such counter arguments at all?
– Karan Desai
2 hours ago
2
2
@KaranDesai Not at all. If you legitimately want to start a publishing company, you go about it the same way you would starting any other company. You raise capital from investors and use it to pay your suppliers (writers, in the publisher's case). There is the Kickstarter model that raises capital from potential customers. But pay-to-publish is raising revenue (not capital) from suppliers (writers), and that is not a legit model. (The writer is the customer of a publishing services company, but the supplier of a true publishing company.)
– Mark Baker
1 hour ago
@KaranDesai Not at all. If you legitimately want to start a publishing company, you go about it the same way you would starting any other company. You raise capital from investors and use it to pay your suppliers (writers, in the publisher's case). There is the Kickstarter model that raises capital from potential customers. But pay-to-publish is raising revenue (not capital) from suppliers (writers), and that is not a legit model. (The writer is the customer of a publishing services company, but the supplier of a true publishing company.)
– Mark Baker
1 hour ago
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Anthologies are often different from other publishing. It is common for small publishers or even individuals to put together a call for an anthology to include any short work: comics, artwork, poems, short stories, essays, even novellas. The author never pays the publisher for this. It is normal for the publisher to offer a flat payment (usually token) or a royalty on net profits. It's also normal to be paid in nothing but a free copy or two (usually one gets free e-books at least).
Small anthologies may use Kickstarter or similar programs to raise the capital needed to print the books. Even e-books may have fixed costs. Authors could contribute to these, but wouldn't be expected to.
What you're describing though isn't just anthologies. You talk about books being published. And a fee to the publisher for doing so.
This is called a vanity press or author services, depending what they're doing. Nowadays we also have print-on-demand publishers. In each case, the author is self-publishing but doing so with the help of a business. These businesses can be completely legitimate (or not, like with any type of business). But that doesn't mean you want to use them.
The companies you're coming across might be providing slightly different services and might be a cross between a vanity press and a small press (which is a traditional publisher who is just small), or they could be a vanity press pretending to be a publisher.
You have two separate tasks here:
- Figure out what the business claims to do, with what financial arrangement, and if that's something you want.
- Figure out if the individual business does what they claim (if they're a scam or not).
If you want a traditional publisher, then these aren't it. If you want to self-publish but with some professional assistance, then a company like these might be helpful (but research them thoroughly).
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Anthologies are often different from other publishing. It is common for small publishers or even individuals to put together a call for an anthology to include any short work: comics, artwork, poems, short stories, essays, even novellas. The author never pays the publisher for this. It is normal for the publisher to offer a flat payment (usually token) or a royalty on net profits. It's also normal to be paid in nothing but a free copy or two (usually one gets free e-books at least).
Small anthologies may use Kickstarter or similar programs to raise the capital needed to print the books. Even e-books may have fixed costs. Authors could contribute to these, but wouldn't be expected to.
What you're describing though isn't just anthologies. You talk about books being published. And a fee to the publisher for doing so.
This is called a vanity press or author services, depending what they're doing. Nowadays we also have print-on-demand publishers. In each case, the author is self-publishing but doing so with the help of a business. These businesses can be completely legitimate (or not, like with any type of business). But that doesn't mean you want to use them.
The companies you're coming across might be providing slightly different services and might be a cross between a vanity press and a small press (which is a traditional publisher who is just small), or they could be a vanity press pretending to be a publisher.
You have two separate tasks here:
- Figure out what the business claims to do, with what financial arrangement, and if that's something you want.
- Figure out if the individual business does what they claim (if they're a scam or not).
If you want a traditional publisher, then these aren't it. If you want to self-publish but with some professional assistance, then a company like these might be helpful (but research them thoroughly).
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Anthologies are often different from other publishing. It is common for small publishers or even individuals to put together a call for an anthology to include any short work: comics, artwork, poems, short stories, essays, even novellas. The author never pays the publisher for this. It is normal for the publisher to offer a flat payment (usually token) or a royalty on net profits. It's also normal to be paid in nothing but a free copy or two (usually one gets free e-books at least).
Small anthologies may use Kickstarter or similar programs to raise the capital needed to print the books. Even e-books may have fixed costs. Authors could contribute to these, but wouldn't be expected to.
What you're describing though isn't just anthologies. You talk about books being published. And a fee to the publisher for doing so.
This is called a vanity press or author services, depending what they're doing. Nowadays we also have print-on-demand publishers. In each case, the author is self-publishing but doing so with the help of a business. These businesses can be completely legitimate (or not, like with any type of business). But that doesn't mean you want to use them.
The companies you're coming across might be providing slightly different services and might be a cross between a vanity press and a small press (which is a traditional publisher who is just small), or they could be a vanity press pretending to be a publisher.
You have two separate tasks here:
- Figure out what the business claims to do, with what financial arrangement, and if that's something you want.
- Figure out if the individual business does what they claim (if they're a scam or not).
If you want a traditional publisher, then these aren't it. If you want to self-publish but with some professional assistance, then a company like these might be helpful (but research them thoroughly).
Anthologies are often different from other publishing. It is common for small publishers or even individuals to put together a call for an anthology to include any short work: comics, artwork, poems, short stories, essays, even novellas. The author never pays the publisher for this. It is normal for the publisher to offer a flat payment (usually token) or a royalty on net profits. It's also normal to be paid in nothing but a free copy or two (usually one gets free e-books at least).
Small anthologies may use Kickstarter or similar programs to raise the capital needed to print the books. Even e-books may have fixed costs. Authors could contribute to these, but wouldn't be expected to.
What you're describing though isn't just anthologies. You talk about books being published. And a fee to the publisher for doing so.
This is called a vanity press or author services, depending what they're doing. Nowadays we also have print-on-demand publishers. In each case, the author is self-publishing but doing so with the help of a business. These businesses can be completely legitimate (or not, like with any type of business). But that doesn't mean you want to use them.
The companies you're coming across might be providing slightly different services and might be a cross between a vanity press and a small press (which is a traditional publisher who is just small), or they could be a vanity press pretending to be a publisher.
You have two separate tasks here:
- Figure out what the business claims to do, with what financial arrangement, and if that's something you want.
- Figure out if the individual business does what they claim (if they're a scam or not).
If you want a traditional publisher, then these aren't it. If you want to self-publish but with some professional assistance, then a company like these might be helpful (but research them thoroughly).
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A publisher that primarily makes money from authors, not from sales, is called a "vanity press." These are generally not considered real or legitimate publishers in the industry. However they do serve a niche --for writers who just want to see their work in print, who aren't looking for the prestige of a "real" publisher, who don't want to do the work themselves to self-publish, who don't expect or care about any further outcome, who know not to expect outside sales, and who are willing to pay a steep upcharge in order to make it into print.
Where these groups cross the line into being unethical is when they promise fame, fortune and prestige to writers for "just a small initial investment," despite the fact that most vanity press books never sell any copies (except to the author's friends and family), that next to no customers of these presses ever make their money back, and that the prestige of being published by one is nil (since it's always open to anyone willing to pay for it.)
It's worth noting, however, that a new trend in publishing is cooperative presses, where multiple authors contribute to an anthology, and then commit to selling copies to cover the cost of the printing. This is a bit of a gray area overlap with vanity presses, but the difference is that prices are not inflated to make money off the participants, and the sales pay for the printing. A setup like that is not necessarily unethical, as long as all the participants are very clear about the terms of their participation (although --not unlike Girl Scout cookies, or other direct sales schemes --it does tend to put an extra burden on the writers' friends and family members).
Perhaps not unethical, but certainly unprofitable, and therefore still vanity publishing. In fact, unless an agent, publisher, or professional organization would consider it a publishing credit, it is vanity publishing, no matter what the financial arrangements are.
– Mark Baker
2 mins ago
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A publisher that primarily makes money from authors, not from sales, is called a "vanity press." These are generally not considered real or legitimate publishers in the industry. However they do serve a niche --for writers who just want to see their work in print, who aren't looking for the prestige of a "real" publisher, who don't want to do the work themselves to self-publish, who don't expect or care about any further outcome, who know not to expect outside sales, and who are willing to pay a steep upcharge in order to make it into print.
Where these groups cross the line into being unethical is when they promise fame, fortune and prestige to writers for "just a small initial investment," despite the fact that most vanity press books never sell any copies (except to the author's friends and family), that next to no customers of these presses ever make their money back, and that the prestige of being published by one is nil (since it's always open to anyone willing to pay for it.)
It's worth noting, however, that a new trend in publishing is cooperative presses, where multiple authors contribute to an anthology, and then commit to selling copies to cover the cost of the printing. This is a bit of a gray area overlap with vanity presses, but the difference is that prices are not inflated to make money off the participants, and the sales pay for the printing. A setup like that is not necessarily unethical, as long as all the participants are very clear about the terms of their participation (although --not unlike Girl Scout cookies, or other direct sales schemes --it does tend to put an extra burden on the writers' friends and family members).
Perhaps not unethical, but certainly unprofitable, and therefore still vanity publishing. In fact, unless an agent, publisher, or professional organization would consider it a publishing credit, it is vanity publishing, no matter what the financial arrangements are.
– Mark Baker
2 mins ago
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A publisher that primarily makes money from authors, not from sales, is called a "vanity press." These are generally not considered real or legitimate publishers in the industry. However they do serve a niche --for writers who just want to see their work in print, who aren't looking for the prestige of a "real" publisher, who don't want to do the work themselves to self-publish, who don't expect or care about any further outcome, who know not to expect outside sales, and who are willing to pay a steep upcharge in order to make it into print.
Where these groups cross the line into being unethical is when they promise fame, fortune and prestige to writers for "just a small initial investment," despite the fact that most vanity press books never sell any copies (except to the author's friends and family), that next to no customers of these presses ever make their money back, and that the prestige of being published by one is nil (since it's always open to anyone willing to pay for it.)
It's worth noting, however, that a new trend in publishing is cooperative presses, where multiple authors contribute to an anthology, and then commit to selling copies to cover the cost of the printing. This is a bit of a gray area overlap with vanity presses, but the difference is that prices are not inflated to make money off the participants, and the sales pay for the printing. A setup like that is not necessarily unethical, as long as all the participants are very clear about the terms of their participation (although --not unlike Girl Scout cookies, or other direct sales schemes --it does tend to put an extra burden on the writers' friends and family members).
A publisher that primarily makes money from authors, not from sales, is called a "vanity press." These are generally not considered real or legitimate publishers in the industry. However they do serve a niche --for writers who just want to see their work in print, who aren't looking for the prestige of a "real" publisher, who don't want to do the work themselves to self-publish, who don't expect or care about any further outcome, who know not to expect outside sales, and who are willing to pay a steep upcharge in order to make it into print.
Where these groups cross the line into being unethical is when they promise fame, fortune and prestige to writers for "just a small initial investment," despite the fact that most vanity press books never sell any copies (except to the author's friends and family), that next to no customers of these presses ever make their money back, and that the prestige of being published by one is nil (since it's always open to anyone willing to pay for it.)
It's worth noting, however, that a new trend in publishing is cooperative presses, where multiple authors contribute to an anthology, and then commit to selling copies to cover the cost of the printing. This is a bit of a gray area overlap with vanity presses, but the difference is that prices are not inflated to make money off the participants, and the sales pay for the printing. A setup like that is not necessarily unethical, as long as all the participants are very clear about the terms of their participation (although --not unlike Girl Scout cookies, or other direct sales schemes --it does tend to put an extra burden on the writers' friends and family members).
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Perhaps not unethical, but certainly unprofitable, and therefore still vanity publishing. In fact, unless an agent, publisher, or professional organization would consider it a publishing credit, it is vanity publishing, no matter what the financial arrangements are.
– Mark Baker
2 mins ago
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Perhaps not unethical, but certainly unprofitable, and therefore still vanity publishing. In fact, unless an agent, publisher, or professional organization would consider it a publishing credit, it is vanity publishing, no matter what the financial arrangements are.
– Mark Baker
2 mins ago
Perhaps not unethical, but certainly unprofitable, and therefore still vanity publishing. In fact, unless an agent, publisher, or professional organization would consider it a publishing credit, it is vanity publishing, no matter what the financial arrangements are.
– Mark Baker
2 mins ago
Perhaps not unethical, but certainly unprofitable, and therefore still vanity publishing. In fact, unless an agent, publisher, or professional organization would consider it a publishing credit, it is vanity publishing, no matter what the financial arrangements are.
– Mark Baker
2 mins ago
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What is an e-certificate?
– Lauren Ipsum
4 hours ago
E-certificate - A certificate awarded in PDF (mostly via a link) online and not a hardcopy.
– Karan Desai
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I think Lauren was asking what the certificate certifies. If not, I'm asking. I'm not aware of certificates of any kind being required or exchanged in publishing contracts in the jurisdictions I am aware of. Is this a legitimate thing in your jurisdiction, of just something the "publisher" made up?
– Mark Baker
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