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Vilna Gaon's gematria for the number of kosher & non-kosher sukkot in Masechet Sukkah


Source for Dubno Maggid's rebuke of the Vilna Gaon?What does Tosfos 46B mean by “for the sake of the sukkah”?Setting a place for the ushpizin in the sukkahThe Vilna Gaon's definition of Torah lishmahShould a Jew from outside Israel who is visiting Israel for Sukkot eat in the Sukkah on Shemini Atseret?How to select the spot for my SukkahVilna Gaon, Gog and Magog war and Hoshana RabbaVilna Gaon's Criticism of the Rambam






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I remember once learning that the Vilna Gaon said that Maseches Sukkah (Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta) talks about 85 non-kosher sukkot and 91 kosher sukkot.



The Gra said the way to remember this is that:
סכה (with no "ו") has a gematria of 85 - which represents the number of non-kosher sukkot.
סוכה (with a "ו") has a gematria of 91 - which represents the number of kosher sukkot.



A couple questions:



  • 1) Does anyone know the source/ link where this teaching can be found?

  • 2) Has anyone scoured the Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta and compiled a list of these 85 non-kosher and 91 kosher sukkot?









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    I remember once learning that the Vilna Gaon said that Maseches Sukkah (Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta) talks about 85 non-kosher sukkot and 91 kosher sukkot.



    The Gra said the way to remember this is that:
    סכה (with no "ו") has a gematria of 85 - which represents the number of non-kosher sukkot.
    סוכה (with a "ו") has a gematria of 91 - which represents the number of kosher sukkot.



    A couple questions:



    • 1) Does anyone know the source/ link where this teaching can be found?

    • 2) Has anyone scoured the Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta and compiled a list of these 85 non-kosher and 91 kosher sukkot?









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      I remember once learning that the Vilna Gaon said that Maseches Sukkah (Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta) talks about 85 non-kosher sukkot and 91 kosher sukkot.



      The Gra said the way to remember this is that:
      סכה (with no "ו") has a gematria of 85 - which represents the number of non-kosher sukkot.
      סוכה (with a "ו") has a gematria of 91 - which represents the number of kosher sukkot.



      A couple questions:



      • 1) Does anyone know the source/ link where this teaching can be found?

      • 2) Has anyone scoured the Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta and compiled a list of these 85 non-kosher and 91 kosher sukkot?









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      I remember once learning that the Vilna Gaon said that Maseches Sukkah (Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta) talks about 85 non-kosher sukkot and 91 kosher sukkot.



      The Gra said the way to remember this is that:
      סכה (with no "ו") has a gematria of 85 - which represents the number of non-kosher sukkot.
      סוכה (with a "ו") has a gematria of 91 - which represents the number of kosher sukkot.



      A couple questions:



      • 1) Does anyone know the source/ link where this teaching can be found?

      • 2) Has anyone scoured the Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tosefta and compiled a list of these 85 non-kosher and 91 kosher sukkot?






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          It's apparently an oral tradition relating to one of the students of the Vilna Gaon, Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov. The more complete story is recounted here in Hebrew. It begins like this:




          הגאון רבי ישראל משקלוב מספר, על תלמיד מתלמידי הגר"א, שבא לקבל פני רבו בחול המועד סוכות, וביקש מרבו כי יעמידו במבחן על כל מסכתא דסוכה על פה. היה זה אחר שקודם החג עורר הגאון את תלמידיו, על החובה להיות בקי בעל-פה לכל הפחות במסכת אחת, לבל יתבטל מתלמודו בלכתו בדרך או בשבתו בחושך. אחד השומעים קיבל על עצמו ללמוד מסכת סוכה, ואחר שלמדה פעמים הרבה, וגם הקדים להבחן על-ידי חבריו, שמצאו כי היא שגורה על פיו, אז בא להבחן אצל רבו.




          The story is also recounted in Sefer Shalmei Yosef by Rabbi Shlomo Yosef Levin of Nishovitz, Bulgaria. This quotation appears at the bottom of page 6 in the PDF.



          And thanks to JoelK for the asset in finding the source as recounted by Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov himself in Pe'at HaShulchan.



          I know of no listing, but I'm sure someone has done it somewhere.






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          It's apparently an oral tradition relating to one of the students of the Vilna Gaon, Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov. The more complete story is recounted here in Hebrew. It begins like this:




          הגאון רבי ישראל משקלוב מספר, על תלמיד מתלמידי הגר"א, שבא לקבל פני רבו בחול המועד סוכות, וביקש מרבו כי יעמידו במבחן על כל מסכתא דסוכה על פה. היה זה אחר שקודם החג עורר הגאון את תלמידיו, על החובה להיות בקי בעל-פה לכל הפחות במסכת אחת, לבל יתבטל מתלמודו בלכתו בדרך או בשבתו בחושך. אחד השומעים קיבל על עצמו ללמוד מסכת סוכה, ואחר שלמדה פעמים הרבה, וגם הקדים להבחן על-ידי חבריו, שמצאו כי היא שגורה על פיו, אז בא להבחן אצל רבו.




          The story is also recounted in Sefer Shalmei Yosef by Rabbi Shlomo Yosef Levin of Nishovitz, Bulgaria. This quotation appears at the bottom of page 6 in the PDF.



          And thanks to JoelK for the asset in finding the source as recounted by Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov himself in Pe'at HaShulchan.



          I know of no listing, but I'm sure someone has done it somewhere.






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          It's apparently an oral tradition relating to one of the students of the Vilna Gaon, Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov. The more complete story is recounted here in Hebrew. It begins like this:




          הגאון רבי ישראל משקלוב מספר, על תלמיד מתלמידי הגר"א, שבא לקבל פני רבו בחול המועד סוכות, וביקש מרבו כי יעמידו במבחן על כל מסכתא דסוכה על פה. היה זה אחר שקודם החג עורר הגאון את תלמידיו, על החובה להיות בקי בעל-פה לכל הפחות במסכת אחת, לבל יתבטל מתלמודו בלכתו בדרך או בשבתו בחושך. אחד השומעים קיבל על עצמו ללמוד מסכת סוכה, ואחר שלמדה פעמים הרבה, וגם הקדים להבחן על-ידי חבריו, שמצאו כי היא שגורה על פיו, אז בא להבחן אצל רבו.




          The story is also recounted in Sefer Shalmei Yosef by Rabbi Shlomo Yosef Levin of Nishovitz, Bulgaria. This quotation appears at the bottom of page 6 in the PDF.



          And thanks to JoelK for the asset in finding the source as recounted by Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov himself in Pe'at HaShulchan.



          I know of no listing, but I'm sure someone has done it somewhere.






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          • The story appears in the introduction R. Yisrael Shklover wrote to his Pe'at HaShulchan hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37666&st=&pgnum=7

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          It's apparently an oral tradition relating to one of the students of the Vilna Gaon, Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov. The more complete story is recounted here in Hebrew. It begins like this:




          הגאון רבי ישראל משקלוב מספר, על תלמיד מתלמידי הגר"א, שבא לקבל פני רבו בחול המועד סוכות, וביקש מרבו כי יעמידו במבחן על כל מסכתא דסוכה על פה. היה זה אחר שקודם החג עורר הגאון את תלמידיו, על החובה להיות בקי בעל-פה לכל הפחות במסכת אחת, לבל יתבטל מתלמודו בלכתו בדרך או בשבתו בחושך. אחד השומעים קיבל על עצמו ללמוד מסכת סוכה, ואחר שלמדה פעמים הרבה, וגם הקדים להבחן על-ידי חבריו, שמצאו כי היא שגורה על פיו, אז בא להבחן אצל רבו.




          The story is also recounted in Sefer Shalmei Yosef by Rabbi Shlomo Yosef Levin of Nishovitz, Bulgaria. This quotation appears at the bottom of page 6 in the PDF.



          And thanks to JoelK for the asset in finding the source as recounted by Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov himself in Pe'at HaShulchan.



          I know of no listing, but I'm sure someone has done it somewhere.






          share|improve this answer















          It's apparently an oral tradition relating to one of the students of the Vilna Gaon, Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov. The more complete story is recounted here in Hebrew. It begins like this:




          הגאון רבי ישראל משקלוב מספר, על תלמיד מתלמידי הגר"א, שבא לקבל פני רבו בחול המועד סוכות, וביקש מרבו כי יעמידו במבחן על כל מסכתא דסוכה על פה. היה זה אחר שקודם החג עורר הגאון את תלמידיו, על החובה להיות בקי בעל-פה לכל הפחות במסכת אחת, לבל יתבטל מתלמודו בלכתו בדרך או בשבתו בחושך. אחד השומעים קיבל על עצמו ללמוד מסכת סוכה, ואחר שלמדה פעמים הרבה, וגם הקדים להבחן על-ידי חבריו, שמצאו כי היא שגורה על פיו, אז בא להבחן אצל רבו.




          The story is also recounted in Sefer Shalmei Yosef by Rabbi Shlomo Yosef Levin of Nishovitz, Bulgaria. This quotation appears at the bottom of page 6 in the PDF.



          And thanks to JoelK for the asset in finding the source as recounted by Rabbi Yisrael of Shklov himself in Pe'at HaShulchan.



          I know of no listing, but I'm sure someone has done it somewhere.







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          • The story appears in the introduction R. Yisrael Shklover wrote to his Pe'at HaShulchan hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37666&st=&pgnum=7

            – Joel K
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          • The story appears in the introduction R. Yisrael Shklover wrote to his Pe'at HaShulchan hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37666&st=&pgnum=7

            – Joel K
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          The story appears in the introduction R. Yisrael Shklover wrote to his Pe'at HaShulchan hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37666&st=&pgnum=7

          – Joel K
          1 hour ago





          The story appears in the introduction R. Yisrael Shklover wrote to his Pe'at HaShulchan hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37666&st=&pgnum=7

          – Joel K
          1 hour ago



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