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The Justice Thought & System & its Morals?


Does Buddhism have a significant notion of justiceWhat is the Buddhist perception of injustice, considering the law of Karma?What is the significance of Commentaries (Atthakatha) to the Suttas?obligation to render justice?Why have a legal/ justice system? Let karma take care of things?What is the Buddhist approach of admitting a mistake?How can one avoid the suffering after getting cheated?What are the different meditation types & how to do them?Killer Neighbors






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Namo Buddhaya!



Here are my questions regarding justice systems & their morals:




Would it be skillful & moral to report someone to a principle, a police
officer, or any sort of authority when someone is being hurtful to
others (such as killing, bullying, etc.), knowing that reporting them will most likely cause them suffering
e.g. expulsion from school, jail time, etc?



And also is justice skillful, moral and is incarceration moral,
skillful in terms of the Dhamma?




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    Namo Buddhaya!



    Here are my questions regarding justice systems & their morals:




    Would it be skillful & moral to report someone to a principle, a police
    officer, or any sort of authority when someone is being hurtful to
    others (such as killing, bullying, etc.), knowing that reporting them will most likely cause them suffering
    e.g. expulsion from school, jail time, etc?



    And also is justice skillful, moral and is incarceration moral,
    skillful in terms of the Dhamma?




    Metta!










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      Namo Buddhaya!



      Here are my questions regarding justice systems & their morals:




      Would it be skillful & moral to report someone to a principle, a police
      officer, or any sort of authority when someone is being hurtful to
      others (such as killing, bullying, etc.), knowing that reporting them will most likely cause them suffering
      e.g. expulsion from school, jail time, etc?



      And also is justice skillful, moral and is incarceration moral,
      skillful in terms of the Dhamma?




      Metta!










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      Namo Buddhaya!



      Here are my questions regarding justice systems & their morals:




      Would it be skillful & moral to report someone to a principle, a police
      officer, or any sort of authority when someone is being hurtful to
      others (such as killing, bullying, etc.), knowing that reporting them will most likely cause them suffering
      e.g. expulsion from school, jail time, etc?



      And also is justice skillful, moral and is incarceration moral,
      skillful in terms of the Dhamma?




      Metta!







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          Justice system is not skilful, but a necessity to maintain society.



          If you are judge you are expected to judge justly.



          Reporting crime one needs to weigh the karmic consequences one may willing to bear and impact or betterment it brings.






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            You might reflect that "beings are heir to their own kamma".



            Ideally too it wouldn't be the case in society that "the cure is worse than the disease" -- perhaps it's better, when you're at school, better for a bully and for their victims, that a bully might learn justice and mercy early than not.



            Incidentally, one of the Zen stories is The Thief Who Became a Disciple.



            I'm not sure what you'd do, in a hypothetical case where you think that the "justice" is unjust.






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              'Dhamma' means 'that which upholds' society & individual minds.



              Without law, there would be chaos & anarchy.



              Therefore, it is proper to report criminals.



              The Buddha appeared to take it for granted society punishes criminals. For example:




              And what, mendicants, is the fear of punishment? It’s when someone
              sees that the kings have arrested a bandit, a criminal, and subjected
              them to various punishments—whipping, caning, and clubbing; cutting
              off hands or feet, or both; cutting off ears or nose, or both; the
              ‘porridge pot’, the ‘shell-shave’, the ‘demon’s mouth’, the ‘garland
              of fire’, the ‘burning hand’, the ‘grass blades’, the ‘bark dress’,
              the ‘antelope’, the ‘meat hook’, the ‘coins’, the ‘acid pickle’, the
              ‘twisting bar’, the ‘straw mat’; being splashed with hot oil, being
              fed to the dogs, being impaled alive, and being beheaded.



              AN 4.121




              Morality in Buddhism is not harming yourself or others. If you make the choice to not report a criminal, this is an act of mental kamma that harms another. The scriptures say:




              If you, Rāhula, are desirous of doing a deed with the mind, you should
              reflect on that deed of your mind, thus: ‘That deed which I am
              desirous of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might
              conduce to the harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of
              others and that might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind
              is unskilled, its yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’ If you,
              Rāhula, reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous
              of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might conduce to the
              harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of others and that
              might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind is unskilled, its
              yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’, a deed of mind like this,
              Rāhula, is certainly not to be done by you. But if you, Rāhula, while
              reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous of doing
              with the mind is a deed of my mind that would conduce neither to the
              harm of self nor to the harm of others nor to the harm of both; this
              deed of mind is skilled, its yield is happy, its result is happy’, a
              deed of mind like this, Rāhula, may be done by you.



              MN 61




              Criminal reap what they sow, as the Buddha taught:




              1. He who inflicts violence on those who are unarmed, and offends those who are inoffensive, will soon come upon one of these ten
                states:

              138-140 Sharp pain, or disaster, bodily injury, serious illness, or
              derangement of mind, trouble from the government, or grave charges,
              loss of relatives, or loss of wealth, or houses destroyed by ravaging
              fire; upon dissolution of the body that ignorant man is born in hell.



              Dhammapada




              Buddhism is not Cultural Marxism, which protects the sexual immoral, the creators of pornography, the destroyers of families, genocidal Communists and co-tribal imperialists/colonizers. A Buddhist should not be meek & timid in using whatever moral laws of society are available to them.






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                Justice system is not skilful, but a necessity to maintain society.



                If you are judge you are expected to judge justly.



                Reporting crime one needs to weigh the karmic consequences one may willing to bear and impact or betterment it brings.






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                  Justice system is not skilful, but a necessity to maintain society.



                  If you are judge you are expected to judge justly.



                  Reporting crime one needs to weigh the karmic consequences one may willing to bear and impact or betterment it brings.






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                    Justice system is not skilful, but a necessity to maintain society.



                    If you are judge you are expected to judge justly.



                    Reporting crime one needs to weigh the karmic consequences one may willing to bear and impact or betterment it brings.






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                    Justice system is not skilful, but a necessity to maintain society.



                    If you are judge you are expected to judge justly.



                    Reporting crime one needs to weigh the karmic consequences one may willing to bear and impact or betterment it brings.







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                        You might reflect that "beings are heir to their own kamma".



                        Ideally too it wouldn't be the case in society that "the cure is worse than the disease" -- perhaps it's better, when you're at school, better for a bully and for their victims, that a bully might learn justice and mercy early than not.



                        Incidentally, one of the Zen stories is The Thief Who Became a Disciple.



                        I'm not sure what you'd do, in a hypothetical case where you think that the "justice" is unjust.






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                          You might reflect that "beings are heir to their own kamma".



                          Ideally too it wouldn't be the case in society that "the cure is worse than the disease" -- perhaps it's better, when you're at school, better for a bully and for their victims, that a bully might learn justice and mercy early than not.



                          Incidentally, one of the Zen stories is The Thief Who Became a Disciple.



                          I'm not sure what you'd do, in a hypothetical case where you think that the "justice" is unjust.






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                            You might reflect that "beings are heir to their own kamma".



                            Ideally too it wouldn't be the case in society that "the cure is worse than the disease" -- perhaps it's better, when you're at school, better for a bully and for their victims, that a bully might learn justice and mercy early than not.



                            Incidentally, one of the Zen stories is The Thief Who Became a Disciple.



                            I'm not sure what you'd do, in a hypothetical case where you think that the "justice" is unjust.






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                            You might reflect that "beings are heir to their own kamma".



                            Ideally too it wouldn't be the case in society that "the cure is worse than the disease" -- perhaps it's better, when you're at school, better for a bully and for their victims, that a bully might learn justice and mercy early than not.



                            Incidentally, one of the Zen stories is The Thief Who Became a Disciple.



                            I'm not sure what you'd do, in a hypothetical case where you think that the "justice" is unjust.







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                                'Dhamma' means 'that which upholds' society & individual minds.



                                Without law, there would be chaos & anarchy.



                                Therefore, it is proper to report criminals.



                                The Buddha appeared to take it for granted society punishes criminals. For example:




                                And what, mendicants, is the fear of punishment? It’s when someone
                                sees that the kings have arrested a bandit, a criminal, and subjected
                                them to various punishments—whipping, caning, and clubbing; cutting
                                off hands or feet, or both; cutting off ears or nose, or both; the
                                ‘porridge pot’, the ‘shell-shave’, the ‘demon’s mouth’, the ‘garland
                                of fire’, the ‘burning hand’, the ‘grass blades’, the ‘bark dress’,
                                the ‘antelope’, the ‘meat hook’, the ‘coins’, the ‘acid pickle’, the
                                ‘twisting bar’, the ‘straw mat’; being splashed with hot oil, being
                                fed to the dogs, being impaled alive, and being beheaded.



                                AN 4.121




                                Morality in Buddhism is not harming yourself or others. If you make the choice to not report a criminal, this is an act of mental kamma that harms another. The scriptures say:




                                If you, Rāhula, are desirous of doing a deed with the mind, you should
                                reflect on that deed of your mind, thus: ‘That deed which I am
                                desirous of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might
                                conduce to the harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of
                                others and that might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind
                                is unskilled, its yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’ If you,
                                Rāhula, reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous
                                of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might conduce to the
                                harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of others and that
                                might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind is unskilled, its
                                yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’, a deed of mind like this,
                                Rāhula, is certainly not to be done by you. But if you, Rāhula, while
                                reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous of doing
                                with the mind is a deed of my mind that would conduce neither to the
                                harm of self nor to the harm of others nor to the harm of both; this
                                deed of mind is skilled, its yield is happy, its result is happy’, a
                                deed of mind like this, Rāhula, may be done by you.



                                MN 61




                                Criminal reap what they sow, as the Buddha taught:




                                1. He who inflicts violence on those who are unarmed, and offends those who are inoffensive, will soon come upon one of these ten
                                  states:

                                138-140 Sharp pain, or disaster, bodily injury, serious illness, or
                                derangement of mind, trouble from the government, or grave charges,
                                loss of relatives, or loss of wealth, or houses destroyed by ravaging
                                fire; upon dissolution of the body that ignorant man is born in hell.



                                Dhammapada




                                Buddhism is not Cultural Marxism, which protects the sexual immoral, the creators of pornography, the destroyers of families, genocidal Communists and co-tribal imperialists/colonizers. A Buddhist should not be meek & timid in using whatever moral laws of society are available to them.






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                                  'Dhamma' means 'that which upholds' society & individual minds.



                                  Without law, there would be chaos & anarchy.



                                  Therefore, it is proper to report criminals.



                                  The Buddha appeared to take it for granted society punishes criminals. For example:




                                  And what, mendicants, is the fear of punishment? It’s when someone
                                  sees that the kings have arrested a bandit, a criminal, and subjected
                                  them to various punishments—whipping, caning, and clubbing; cutting
                                  off hands or feet, or both; cutting off ears or nose, or both; the
                                  ‘porridge pot’, the ‘shell-shave’, the ‘demon’s mouth’, the ‘garland
                                  of fire’, the ‘burning hand’, the ‘grass blades’, the ‘bark dress’,
                                  the ‘antelope’, the ‘meat hook’, the ‘coins’, the ‘acid pickle’, the
                                  ‘twisting bar’, the ‘straw mat’; being splashed with hot oil, being
                                  fed to the dogs, being impaled alive, and being beheaded.



                                  AN 4.121




                                  Morality in Buddhism is not harming yourself or others. If you make the choice to not report a criminal, this is an act of mental kamma that harms another. The scriptures say:




                                  If you, Rāhula, are desirous of doing a deed with the mind, you should
                                  reflect on that deed of your mind, thus: ‘That deed which I am
                                  desirous of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might
                                  conduce to the harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of
                                  others and that might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind
                                  is unskilled, its yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’ If you,
                                  Rāhula, reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous
                                  of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might conduce to the
                                  harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of others and that
                                  might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind is unskilled, its
                                  yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’, a deed of mind like this,
                                  Rāhula, is certainly not to be done by you. But if you, Rāhula, while
                                  reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous of doing
                                  with the mind is a deed of my mind that would conduce neither to the
                                  harm of self nor to the harm of others nor to the harm of both; this
                                  deed of mind is skilled, its yield is happy, its result is happy’, a
                                  deed of mind like this, Rāhula, may be done by you.



                                  MN 61




                                  Criminal reap what they sow, as the Buddha taught:




                                  1. He who inflicts violence on those who are unarmed, and offends those who are inoffensive, will soon come upon one of these ten
                                    states:

                                  138-140 Sharp pain, or disaster, bodily injury, serious illness, or
                                  derangement of mind, trouble from the government, or grave charges,
                                  loss of relatives, or loss of wealth, or houses destroyed by ravaging
                                  fire; upon dissolution of the body that ignorant man is born in hell.



                                  Dhammapada




                                  Buddhism is not Cultural Marxism, which protects the sexual immoral, the creators of pornography, the destroyers of families, genocidal Communists and co-tribal imperialists/colonizers. A Buddhist should not be meek & timid in using whatever moral laws of society are available to them.






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                                    'Dhamma' means 'that which upholds' society & individual minds.



                                    Without law, there would be chaos & anarchy.



                                    Therefore, it is proper to report criminals.



                                    The Buddha appeared to take it for granted society punishes criminals. For example:




                                    And what, mendicants, is the fear of punishment? It’s when someone
                                    sees that the kings have arrested a bandit, a criminal, and subjected
                                    them to various punishments—whipping, caning, and clubbing; cutting
                                    off hands or feet, or both; cutting off ears or nose, or both; the
                                    ‘porridge pot’, the ‘shell-shave’, the ‘demon’s mouth’, the ‘garland
                                    of fire’, the ‘burning hand’, the ‘grass blades’, the ‘bark dress’,
                                    the ‘antelope’, the ‘meat hook’, the ‘coins’, the ‘acid pickle’, the
                                    ‘twisting bar’, the ‘straw mat’; being splashed with hot oil, being
                                    fed to the dogs, being impaled alive, and being beheaded.



                                    AN 4.121




                                    Morality in Buddhism is not harming yourself or others. If you make the choice to not report a criminal, this is an act of mental kamma that harms another. The scriptures say:




                                    If you, Rāhula, are desirous of doing a deed with the mind, you should
                                    reflect on that deed of your mind, thus: ‘That deed which I am
                                    desirous of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might
                                    conduce to the harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of
                                    others and that might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind
                                    is unskilled, its yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’ If you,
                                    Rāhula, reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous
                                    of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might conduce to the
                                    harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of others and that
                                    might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind is unskilled, its
                                    yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’, a deed of mind like this,
                                    Rāhula, is certainly not to be done by you. But if you, Rāhula, while
                                    reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous of doing
                                    with the mind is a deed of my mind that would conduce neither to the
                                    harm of self nor to the harm of others nor to the harm of both; this
                                    deed of mind is skilled, its yield is happy, its result is happy’, a
                                    deed of mind like this, Rāhula, may be done by you.



                                    MN 61




                                    Criminal reap what they sow, as the Buddha taught:




                                    1. He who inflicts violence on those who are unarmed, and offends those who are inoffensive, will soon come upon one of these ten
                                      states:

                                    138-140 Sharp pain, or disaster, bodily injury, serious illness, or
                                    derangement of mind, trouble from the government, or grave charges,
                                    loss of relatives, or loss of wealth, or houses destroyed by ravaging
                                    fire; upon dissolution of the body that ignorant man is born in hell.



                                    Dhammapada




                                    Buddhism is not Cultural Marxism, which protects the sexual immoral, the creators of pornography, the destroyers of families, genocidal Communists and co-tribal imperialists/colonizers. A Buddhist should not be meek & timid in using whatever moral laws of society are available to them.






                                    share|improve this answer















                                    'Dhamma' means 'that which upholds' society & individual minds.



                                    Without law, there would be chaos & anarchy.



                                    Therefore, it is proper to report criminals.



                                    The Buddha appeared to take it for granted society punishes criminals. For example:




                                    And what, mendicants, is the fear of punishment? It’s when someone
                                    sees that the kings have arrested a bandit, a criminal, and subjected
                                    them to various punishments—whipping, caning, and clubbing; cutting
                                    off hands or feet, or both; cutting off ears or nose, or both; the
                                    ‘porridge pot’, the ‘shell-shave’, the ‘demon’s mouth’, the ‘garland
                                    of fire’, the ‘burning hand’, the ‘grass blades’, the ‘bark dress’,
                                    the ‘antelope’, the ‘meat hook’, the ‘coins’, the ‘acid pickle’, the
                                    ‘twisting bar’, the ‘straw mat’; being splashed with hot oil, being
                                    fed to the dogs, being impaled alive, and being beheaded.



                                    AN 4.121




                                    Morality in Buddhism is not harming yourself or others. If you make the choice to not report a criminal, this is an act of mental kamma that harms another. The scriptures say:




                                    If you, Rāhula, are desirous of doing a deed with the mind, you should
                                    reflect on that deed of your mind, thus: ‘That deed which I am
                                    desirous of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might
                                    conduce to the harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of
                                    others and that might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind
                                    is unskilled, its yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’ If you,
                                    Rāhula, reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous
                                    of doing with the mind is a deed of my mind that might conduce to the
                                    harm of self and that might conduce to the harm of others and that
                                    might conduce to the harm of both; this deed of mind is unskilled, its
                                    yield is anguish, its result is anguish.’, a deed of mind like this,
                                    Rāhula, is certainly not to be done by you. But if you, Rāhula, while
                                    reflecting thus, should find: ‘That deed which I am desirous of doing
                                    with the mind is a deed of my mind that would conduce neither to the
                                    harm of self nor to the harm of others nor to the harm of both; this
                                    deed of mind is skilled, its yield is happy, its result is happy’, a
                                    deed of mind like this, Rāhula, may be done by you.



                                    MN 61




                                    Criminal reap what they sow, as the Buddha taught:




                                    1. He who inflicts violence on those who are unarmed, and offends those who are inoffensive, will soon come upon one of these ten
                                      states:

                                    138-140 Sharp pain, or disaster, bodily injury, serious illness, or
                                    derangement of mind, trouble from the government, or grave charges,
                                    loss of relatives, or loss of wealth, or houses destroyed by ravaging
                                    fire; upon dissolution of the body that ignorant man is born in hell.



                                    Dhammapada




                                    Buddhism is not Cultural Marxism, which protects the sexual immoral, the creators of pornography, the destroyers of families, genocidal Communists and co-tribal imperialists/colonizers. A Buddhist should not be meek & timid in using whatever moral laws of society are available to them.







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