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When she legitimised Gendry, Daenerys had not won the Iron Throne.
She died before her coronation
and Gendry was at the Great Council before
Bran was crowned King.
How was Gendry able to become Lord of Storm's End?
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How was Gendry able to become Lord of Storm's End?
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Legitimise?Not really but - movies.stackexchange.com/questions/100507/…
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When she legitimised Gendry, Daenerys had not won the Iron Throne.
She died before her coronation
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Bran was crowned King.
How was Gendry able to become Lord of Storm's End?
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When she legitimised Gendry, Daenerys had not won the Iron Throne.
She died before her coronation
and Gendry was at the Great Council before
Bran was crowned King.
How was Gendry able to become Lord of Storm's End?
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Legitimise?Not really but - movies.stackexchange.com/questions/100507/…
– Paulie_D
10 hours ago
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Power resides where men believe it resides.
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Legitimise?Not really but - movies.stackexchange.com/questions/100507/…
– Paulie_D
10 hours ago
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Power resides where men believe it resides.
– Paul D. Waite
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Legitimise?Not really but - movies.stackexchange.com/questions/100507/…
– Paulie_D
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Legitimise?Not really but - movies.stackexchange.com/questions/100507/…
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Because she was Queen of the Seven Kingdoms under those that follow her. Those that were following Dany's claim and trying to dethrone Cersei acknowledged the claim. Those on Cersei's side probably didn't even know about it and if they did I doubt they would have recognised it as true, after all Cersei is the rightful queen not Dany, right?
In either case it doesn't matter, Daenerys won the war and became Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, it does not matter that she never made it to the coronation. Once she was queen she could pass it through as law and fact.
And anyway, those on the Great Council are also those that would support Gendry as a Baratheon and his claim to Storm's End, there would be nothing to gain really by questioning it. In fact it would only likely turn people against you rather than with you.
Lastly, it is quite convenient and fills a gap that people were unsure of what to do about. No one knew who was Lord of Storm's End and having a Baratheon, even a bastard born one, take the Lordship is the best option to appease those in the Stormlands as they wouldn't want some outsider taking the seat.
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As far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, Daenerys was the rightful and trueborn Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the Firstmen by birthright, she didn't need to sit on the throne to be that. She became the head of the Targaryen dynasty and the Queen when her brother Viserys third of his name died. Of course, by primogeniture, the de-facto law of Targaryen inheritance, Jon was the King by birthright. But Jon didn't know that, nobody did, so in absence of a male claimant, Daenerys claimed that right by both primogeniture and proximity.
Later, Jon Snow had sworn fealty to Daenerys so even that obstacle was removed from her path. She was well within her rights when she legitimised Gendry. At least as far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, which at that time, Gendry was. All the people who assembled at the Great Council were effectively Targaryen sworn bannermen at that point.
She was never crowned Queen by The Seven Kingdoms. That's in fact all that matters. Otherwise Stannis, Renly et al could as well have appointed new Lords of the Great Houses.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
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@Amarth Stannis did offer to legitimise Jon.
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@Amarth Renly didn't need to, he had the Lords behind him, there were no lands he had to parcel out or succession squabbles he needed to handle. Stannis however did, he raised Davos Seaworth to Lordship of Rainwood. A better counter-argument would be Rhaenyra Targaryen. She fought against her brother Aegon II for the crown. As self-styled Queen (Her brother sat the Iron Throne, wore the Conqueror's crown and bore the conqueror's sword), she legitimised Alyn and Addam Waters as Alyn and Addam Velaryon. She was defeated eventually and no one disputed Alyn's right to hold Driftmark
– Aegon
9 hours ago
It all depends on if the winner of the war chose to dispute it or not. As for the specific case of Stannis, I believe a Great Lord can appoint Lords within their own land? Besides Davos was made Lord before the books begin iirc? My point is, he was also appointed to Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth Sure it does. Everything at the end of the day is subjective. Aegon II needed Alyn Velaryon and his grandfather Corlys Velaryon so he didn't dispute it. Just as Bran and others did not dispute Gendry's legitimisation. Since Jon was tried and sentenced for regicide and Tyrion was tried for treason, this is an implicit acknowledgement of Daenerys being the rightful Queen.
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Indeed it doesn't make much sense, but it all boils down history being written by the winners.
While the crown is being contested between Daenerys and Cersei, all who are appointed to titles can only count on keeping them as long as their side win and the winner is crowned Queen by the High Septon and sits on the Iron Throne.
So when Gendry accepted, it means he was betting his life on Daenerys winning the war. And she did, but there was never enough time after the battle to formally crown her. She won't count as a Queen of The Seven Kingdoms unless those writing the history see it fit to include her. The same goes for Cersei.
Now as it happens, there's none to contest Gendry's claim and nobody has a reason to. He fought on the winning side.
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You don’t need to be crowned to acquire the powers of a monarch — you become the monarch as soon as your predecessor dies. Daenerys was legally Queen of the Seven Kingdoms as soon as Viserys died back in season 1. The United Kingdom still had a head of state between 6 February 1952 (when George VI died) and 2 June 1953 (when Elizabeth II was crowned). The coronation is a formality, not the moment when you become the monarch.
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No it doesn't work like that while the title is being contested. Otherwise everyone appointed to various titles by the pretenders Stannis and Renly would still hold their titles. Davos would for example be Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth If Stannis has won, then his appointment of Davos would have stood, even though it was made before he was crowned. The Great Council recognised Daenerys as the legitimate monarch during that period, so her acts remained valid. The only other choice would have been Cersei, after all.
– Mike Scott
9 hours ago
@MikeScott Stannis' appointment to Davos stood anyway I believe
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
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Because she was Queen of the Seven Kingdoms under those that follow her. Those that were following Dany's claim and trying to dethrone Cersei acknowledged the claim. Those on Cersei's side probably didn't even know about it and if they did I doubt they would have recognised it as true, after all Cersei is the rightful queen not Dany, right?
In either case it doesn't matter, Daenerys won the war and became Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, it does not matter that she never made it to the coronation. Once she was queen she could pass it through as law and fact.
And anyway, those on the Great Council are also those that would support Gendry as a Baratheon and his claim to Storm's End, there would be nothing to gain really by questioning it. In fact it would only likely turn people against you rather than with you.
Lastly, it is quite convenient and fills a gap that people were unsure of what to do about. No one knew who was Lord of Storm's End and having a Baratheon, even a bastard born one, take the Lordship is the best option to appease those in the Stormlands as they wouldn't want some outsider taking the seat.
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Because she was Queen of the Seven Kingdoms under those that follow her. Those that were following Dany's claim and trying to dethrone Cersei acknowledged the claim. Those on Cersei's side probably didn't even know about it and if they did I doubt they would have recognised it as true, after all Cersei is the rightful queen not Dany, right?
In either case it doesn't matter, Daenerys won the war and became Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, it does not matter that she never made it to the coronation. Once she was queen she could pass it through as law and fact.
And anyway, those on the Great Council are also those that would support Gendry as a Baratheon and his claim to Storm's End, there would be nothing to gain really by questioning it. In fact it would only likely turn people against you rather than with you.
Lastly, it is quite convenient and fills a gap that people were unsure of what to do about. No one knew who was Lord of Storm's End and having a Baratheon, even a bastard born one, take the Lordship is the best option to appease those in the Stormlands as they wouldn't want some outsider taking the seat.
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Because she was Queen of the Seven Kingdoms under those that follow her. Those that were following Dany's claim and trying to dethrone Cersei acknowledged the claim. Those on Cersei's side probably didn't even know about it and if they did I doubt they would have recognised it as true, after all Cersei is the rightful queen not Dany, right?
In either case it doesn't matter, Daenerys won the war and became Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, it does not matter that she never made it to the coronation. Once she was queen she could pass it through as law and fact.
And anyway, those on the Great Council are also those that would support Gendry as a Baratheon and his claim to Storm's End, there would be nothing to gain really by questioning it. In fact it would only likely turn people against you rather than with you.
Lastly, it is quite convenient and fills a gap that people were unsure of what to do about. No one knew who was Lord of Storm's End and having a Baratheon, even a bastard born one, take the Lordship is the best option to appease those in the Stormlands as they wouldn't want some outsider taking the seat.
Because she was Queen of the Seven Kingdoms under those that follow her. Those that were following Dany's claim and trying to dethrone Cersei acknowledged the claim. Those on Cersei's side probably didn't even know about it and if they did I doubt they would have recognised it as true, after all Cersei is the rightful queen not Dany, right?
In either case it doesn't matter, Daenerys won the war and became Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, it does not matter that she never made it to the coronation. Once she was queen she could pass it through as law and fact.
And anyway, those on the Great Council are also those that would support Gendry as a Baratheon and his claim to Storm's End, there would be nothing to gain really by questioning it. In fact it would only likely turn people against you rather than with you.
Lastly, it is quite convenient and fills a gap that people were unsure of what to do about. No one knew who was Lord of Storm's End and having a Baratheon, even a bastard born one, take the Lordship is the best option to appease those in the Stormlands as they wouldn't want some outsider taking the seat.
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As far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, Daenerys was the rightful and trueborn Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the Firstmen by birthright, she didn't need to sit on the throne to be that. She became the head of the Targaryen dynasty and the Queen when her brother Viserys third of his name died. Of course, by primogeniture, the de-facto law of Targaryen inheritance, Jon was the King by birthright. But Jon didn't know that, nobody did, so in absence of a male claimant, Daenerys claimed that right by both primogeniture and proximity.
Later, Jon Snow had sworn fealty to Daenerys so even that obstacle was removed from her path. She was well within her rights when she legitimised Gendry. At least as far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, which at that time, Gendry was. All the people who assembled at the Great Council were effectively Targaryen sworn bannermen at that point.
She was never crowned Queen by The Seven Kingdoms. That's in fact all that matters. Otherwise Stannis, Renly et al could as well have appointed new Lords of the Great Houses.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
3
@Amarth Stannis did offer to legitimise Jon.
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@Amarth Renly didn't need to, he had the Lords behind him, there were no lands he had to parcel out or succession squabbles he needed to handle. Stannis however did, he raised Davos Seaworth to Lordship of Rainwood. A better counter-argument would be Rhaenyra Targaryen. She fought against her brother Aegon II for the crown. As self-styled Queen (Her brother sat the Iron Throne, wore the Conqueror's crown and bore the conqueror's sword), she legitimised Alyn and Addam Waters as Alyn and Addam Velaryon. She was defeated eventually and no one disputed Alyn's right to hold Driftmark
– Aegon
9 hours ago
It all depends on if the winner of the war chose to dispute it or not. As for the specific case of Stannis, I believe a Great Lord can appoint Lords within their own land? Besides Davos was made Lord before the books begin iirc? My point is, he was also appointed to Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth Sure it does. Everything at the end of the day is subjective. Aegon II needed Alyn Velaryon and his grandfather Corlys Velaryon so he didn't dispute it. Just as Bran and others did not dispute Gendry's legitimisation. Since Jon was tried and sentenced for regicide and Tyrion was tried for treason, this is an implicit acknowledgement of Daenerys being the rightful Queen.
– Aegon
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
As far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, Daenerys was the rightful and trueborn Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the Firstmen by birthright, she didn't need to sit on the throne to be that. She became the head of the Targaryen dynasty and the Queen when her brother Viserys third of his name died. Of course, by primogeniture, the de-facto law of Targaryen inheritance, Jon was the King by birthright. But Jon didn't know that, nobody did, so in absence of a male claimant, Daenerys claimed that right by both primogeniture and proximity.
Later, Jon Snow had sworn fealty to Daenerys so even that obstacle was removed from her path. She was well within her rights when she legitimised Gendry. At least as far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, which at that time, Gendry was. All the people who assembled at the Great Council were effectively Targaryen sworn bannermen at that point.
She was never crowned Queen by The Seven Kingdoms. That's in fact all that matters. Otherwise Stannis, Renly et al could as well have appointed new Lords of the Great Houses.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
3
@Amarth Stannis did offer to legitimise Jon.
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@Amarth Renly didn't need to, he had the Lords behind him, there were no lands he had to parcel out or succession squabbles he needed to handle. Stannis however did, he raised Davos Seaworth to Lordship of Rainwood. A better counter-argument would be Rhaenyra Targaryen. She fought against her brother Aegon II for the crown. As self-styled Queen (Her brother sat the Iron Throne, wore the Conqueror's crown and bore the conqueror's sword), she legitimised Alyn and Addam Waters as Alyn and Addam Velaryon. She was defeated eventually and no one disputed Alyn's right to hold Driftmark
– Aegon
9 hours ago
It all depends on if the winner of the war chose to dispute it or not. As for the specific case of Stannis, I believe a Great Lord can appoint Lords within their own land? Besides Davos was made Lord before the books begin iirc? My point is, he was also appointed to Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth Sure it does. Everything at the end of the day is subjective. Aegon II needed Alyn Velaryon and his grandfather Corlys Velaryon so he didn't dispute it. Just as Bran and others did not dispute Gendry's legitimisation. Since Jon was tried and sentenced for regicide and Tyrion was tried for treason, this is an implicit acknowledgement of Daenerys being the rightful Queen.
– Aegon
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
As far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, Daenerys was the rightful and trueborn Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the Firstmen by birthright, she didn't need to sit on the throne to be that. She became the head of the Targaryen dynasty and the Queen when her brother Viserys third of his name died. Of course, by primogeniture, the de-facto law of Targaryen inheritance, Jon was the King by birthright. But Jon didn't know that, nobody did, so in absence of a male claimant, Daenerys claimed that right by both primogeniture and proximity.
Later, Jon Snow had sworn fealty to Daenerys so even that obstacle was removed from her path. She was well within her rights when she legitimised Gendry. At least as far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, which at that time, Gendry was. All the people who assembled at the Great Council were effectively Targaryen sworn bannermen at that point.
As far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, Daenerys was the rightful and trueborn Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the Firstmen by birthright, she didn't need to sit on the throne to be that. She became the head of the Targaryen dynasty and the Queen when her brother Viserys third of his name died. Of course, by primogeniture, the de-facto law of Targaryen inheritance, Jon was the King by birthright. But Jon didn't know that, nobody did, so in absence of a male claimant, Daenerys claimed that right by both primogeniture and proximity.
Later, Jon Snow had sworn fealty to Daenerys so even that obstacle was removed from her path. She was well within her rights when she legitimised Gendry. At least as far as Targaryen loyalists are concerned, which at that time, Gendry was. All the people who assembled at the Great Council were effectively Targaryen sworn bannermen at that point.
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She was never crowned Queen by The Seven Kingdoms. That's in fact all that matters. Otherwise Stannis, Renly et al could as well have appointed new Lords of the Great Houses.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
3
@Amarth Stannis did offer to legitimise Jon.
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@Amarth Renly didn't need to, he had the Lords behind him, there were no lands he had to parcel out or succession squabbles he needed to handle. Stannis however did, he raised Davos Seaworth to Lordship of Rainwood. A better counter-argument would be Rhaenyra Targaryen. She fought against her brother Aegon II for the crown. As self-styled Queen (Her brother sat the Iron Throne, wore the Conqueror's crown and bore the conqueror's sword), she legitimised Alyn and Addam Waters as Alyn and Addam Velaryon. She was defeated eventually and no one disputed Alyn's right to hold Driftmark
– Aegon
9 hours ago
It all depends on if the winner of the war chose to dispute it or not. As for the specific case of Stannis, I believe a Great Lord can appoint Lords within their own land? Besides Davos was made Lord before the books begin iirc? My point is, he was also appointed to Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth Sure it does. Everything at the end of the day is subjective. Aegon II needed Alyn Velaryon and his grandfather Corlys Velaryon so he didn't dispute it. Just as Bran and others did not dispute Gendry's legitimisation. Since Jon was tried and sentenced for regicide and Tyrion was tried for treason, this is an implicit acknowledgement of Daenerys being the rightful Queen.
– Aegon
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
She was never crowned Queen by The Seven Kingdoms. That's in fact all that matters. Otherwise Stannis, Renly et al could as well have appointed new Lords of the Great Houses.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
3
@Amarth Stannis did offer to legitimise Jon.
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@Amarth Renly didn't need to, he had the Lords behind him, there were no lands he had to parcel out or succession squabbles he needed to handle. Stannis however did, he raised Davos Seaworth to Lordship of Rainwood. A better counter-argument would be Rhaenyra Targaryen. She fought against her brother Aegon II for the crown. As self-styled Queen (Her brother sat the Iron Throne, wore the Conqueror's crown and bore the conqueror's sword), she legitimised Alyn and Addam Waters as Alyn and Addam Velaryon. She was defeated eventually and no one disputed Alyn's right to hold Driftmark
– Aegon
9 hours ago
It all depends on if the winner of the war chose to dispute it or not. As for the specific case of Stannis, I believe a Great Lord can appoint Lords within their own land? Besides Davos was made Lord before the books begin iirc? My point is, he was also appointed to Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth Sure it does. Everything at the end of the day is subjective. Aegon II needed Alyn Velaryon and his grandfather Corlys Velaryon so he didn't dispute it. Just as Bran and others did not dispute Gendry's legitimisation. Since Jon was tried and sentenced for regicide and Tyrion was tried for treason, this is an implicit acknowledgement of Daenerys being the rightful Queen.
– Aegon
9 hours ago
She was never crowned Queen by The Seven Kingdoms. That's in fact all that matters. Otherwise Stannis, Renly et al could as well have appointed new Lords of the Great Houses.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
She was never crowned Queen by The Seven Kingdoms. That's in fact all that matters. Otherwise Stannis, Renly et al could as well have appointed new Lords of the Great Houses.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
3
3
@Amarth Stannis did offer to legitimise Jon.
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@Amarth Stannis did offer to legitimise Jon.
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@Amarth Renly didn't need to, he had the Lords behind him, there were no lands he had to parcel out or succession squabbles he needed to handle. Stannis however did, he raised Davos Seaworth to Lordship of Rainwood. A better counter-argument would be Rhaenyra Targaryen. She fought against her brother Aegon II for the crown. As self-styled Queen (Her brother sat the Iron Throne, wore the Conqueror's crown and bore the conqueror's sword), she legitimised Alyn and Addam Waters as Alyn and Addam Velaryon. She was defeated eventually and no one disputed Alyn's right to hold Driftmark
– Aegon
9 hours ago
@Amarth Renly didn't need to, he had the Lords behind him, there were no lands he had to parcel out or succession squabbles he needed to handle. Stannis however did, he raised Davos Seaworth to Lordship of Rainwood. A better counter-argument would be Rhaenyra Targaryen. She fought against her brother Aegon II for the crown. As self-styled Queen (Her brother sat the Iron Throne, wore the Conqueror's crown and bore the conqueror's sword), she legitimised Alyn and Addam Waters as Alyn and Addam Velaryon. She was defeated eventually and no one disputed Alyn's right to hold Driftmark
– Aegon
9 hours ago
It all depends on if the winner of the war chose to dispute it or not. As for the specific case of Stannis, I believe a Great Lord can appoint Lords within their own land? Besides Davos was made Lord before the books begin iirc? My point is, he was also appointed to Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
It all depends on if the winner of the war chose to dispute it or not. As for the specific case of Stannis, I believe a Great Lord can appoint Lords within their own land? Besides Davos was made Lord before the books begin iirc? My point is, he was also appointed to Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth Sure it does. Everything at the end of the day is subjective. Aegon II needed Alyn Velaryon and his grandfather Corlys Velaryon so he didn't dispute it. Just as Bran and others did not dispute Gendry's legitimisation. Since Jon was tried and sentenced for regicide and Tyrion was tried for treason, this is an implicit acknowledgement of Daenerys being the rightful Queen.
– Aegon
9 hours ago
@Amarth Sure it does. Everything at the end of the day is subjective. Aegon II needed Alyn Velaryon and his grandfather Corlys Velaryon so he didn't dispute it. Just as Bran and others did not dispute Gendry's legitimisation. Since Jon was tried and sentenced for regicide and Tyrion was tried for treason, this is an implicit acknowledgement of Daenerys being the rightful Queen.
– Aegon
9 hours ago
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Indeed it doesn't make much sense, but it all boils down history being written by the winners.
While the crown is being contested between Daenerys and Cersei, all who are appointed to titles can only count on keeping them as long as their side win and the winner is crowned Queen by the High Septon and sits on the Iron Throne.
So when Gendry accepted, it means he was betting his life on Daenerys winning the war. And she did, but there was never enough time after the battle to formally crown her. She won't count as a Queen of The Seven Kingdoms unless those writing the history see it fit to include her. The same goes for Cersei.
Now as it happens, there's none to contest Gendry's claim and nobody has a reason to. He fought on the winning side.
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Indeed it doesn't make much sense, but it all boils down history being written by the winners.
While the crown is being contested between Daenerys and Cersei, all who are appointed to titles can only count on keeping them as long as their side win and the winner is crowned Queen by the High Septon and sits on the Iron Throne.
So when Gendry accepted, it means he was betting his life on Daenerys winning the war. And she did, but there was never enough time after the battle to formally crown her. She won't count as a Queen of The Seven Kingdoms unless those writing the history see it fit to include her. The same goes for Cersei.
Now as it happens, there's none to contest Gendry's claim and nobody has a reason to. He fought on the winning side.
add a comment |
Indeed it doesn't make much sense, but it all boils down history being written by the winners.
While the crown is being contested between Daenerys and Cersei, all who are appointed to titles can only count on keeping them as long as their side win and the winner is crowned Queen by the High Septon and sits on the Iron Throne.
So when Gendry accepted, it means he was betting his life on Daenerys winning the war. And she did, but there was never enough time after the battle to formally crown her. She won't count as a Queen of The Seven Kingdoms unless those writing the history see it fit to include her. The same goes for Cersei.
Now as it happens, there's none to contest Gendry's claim and nobody has a reason to. He fought on the winning side.
Indeed it doesn't make much sense, but it all boils down history being written by the winners.
While the crown is being contested between Daenerys and Cersei, all who are appointed to titles can only count on keeping them as long as their side win and the winner is crowned Queen by the High Septon and sits on the Iron Throne.
So when Gendry accepted, it means he was betting his life on Daenerys winning the war. And she did, but there was never enough time after the battle to formally crown her. She won't count as a Queen of The Seven Kingdoms unless those writing the history see it fit to include her. The same goes for Cersei.
Now as it happens, there's none to contest Gendry's claim and nobody has a reason to. He fought on the winning side.
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You don’t need to be crowned to acquire the powers of a monarch — you become the monarch as soon as your predecessor dies. Daenerys was legally Queen of the Seven Kingdoms as soon as Viserys died back in season 1. The United Kingdom still had a head of state between 6 February 1952 (when George VI died) and 2 June 1953 (when Elizabeth II was crowned). The coronation is a formality, not the moment when you become the monarch.
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No it doesn't work like that while the title is being contested. Otherwise everyone appointed to various titles by the pretenders Stannis and Renly would still hold their titles. Davos would for example be Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth If Stannis has won, then his appointment of Davos would have stood, even though it was made before he was crowned. The Great Council recognised Daenerys as the legitimate monarch during that period, so her acts remained valid. The only other choice would have been Cersei, after all.
– Mike Scott
9 hours ago
@MikeScott Stannis' appointment to Davos stood anyway I believe
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
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You don’t need to be crowned to acquire the powers of a monarch — you become the monarch as soon as your predecessor dies. Daenerys was legally Queen of the Seven Kingdoms as soon as Viserys died back in season 1. The United Kingdom still had a head of state between 6 February 1952 (when George VI died) and 2 June 1953 (when Elizabeth II was crowned). The coronation is a formality, not the moment when you become the monarch.
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No it doesn't work like that while the title is being contested. Otherwise everyone appointed to various titles by the pretenders Stannis and Renly would still hold their titles. Davos would for example be Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth If Stannis has won, then his appointment of Davos would have stood, even though it was made before he was crowned. The Great Council recognised Daenerys as the legitimate monarch during that period, so her acts remained valid. The only other choice would have been Cersei, after all.
– Mike Scott
9 hours ago
@MikeScott Stannis' appointment to Davos stood anyway I believe
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
add a comment |
You don’t need to be crowned to acquire the powers of a monarch — you become the monarch as soon as your predecessor dies. Daenerys was legally Queen of the Seven Kingdoms as soon as Viserys died back in season 1. The United Kingdom still had a head of state between 6 February 1952 (when George VI died) and 2 June 1953 (when Elizabeth II was crowned). The coronation is a formality, not the moment when you become the monarch.
You don’t need to be crowned to acquire the powers of a monarch — you become the monarch as soon as your predecessor dies. Daenerys was legally Queen of the Seven Kingdoms as soon as Viserys died back in season 1. The United Kingdom still had a head of state between 6 February 1952 (when George VI died) and 2 June 1953 (when Elizabeth II was crowned). The coronation is a formality, not the moment when you become the monarch.
answered 10 hours ago
Mike ScottMike Scott
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No it doesn't work like that while the title is being contested. Otherwise everyone appointed to various titles by the pretenders Stannis and Renly would still hold their titles. Davos would for example be Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth If Stannis has won, then his appointment of Davos would have stood, even though it was made before he was crowned. The Great Council recognised Daenerys as the legitimate monarch during that period, so her acts remained valid. The only other choice would have been Cersei, after all.
– Mike Scott
9 hours ago
@MikeScott Stannis' appointment to Davos stood anyway I believe
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
add a comment |
1
No it doesn't work like that while the title is being contested. Otherwise everyone appointed to various titles by the pretenders Stannis and Renly would still hold their titles. Davos would for example be Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth If Stannis has won, then his appointment of Davos would have stood, even though it was made before he was crowned. The Great Council recognised Daenerys as the legitimate monarch during that period, so her acts remained valid. The only other choice would have been Cersei, after all.
– Mike Scott
9 hours ago
@MikeScott Stannis' appointment to Davos stood anyway I believe
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
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No it doesn't work like that while the title is being contested. Otherwise everyone appointed to various titles by the pretenders Stannis and Renly would still hold their titles. Davos would for example be Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
No it doesn't work like that while the title is being contested. Otherwise everyone appointed to various titles by the pretenders Stannis and Renly would still hold their titles. Davos would for example be Hand of the King.
– Amarth
9 hours ago
@Amarth If Stannis has won, then his appointment of Davos would have stood, even though it was made before he was crowned. The Great Council recognised Daenerys as the legitimate monarch during that period, so her acts remained valid. The only other choice would have been Cersei, after all.
– Mike Scott
9 hours ago
@Amarth If Stannis has won, then his appointment of Davos would have stood, even though it was made before he was crowned. The Great Council recognised Daenerys as the legitimate monarch during that period, so her acts remained valid. The only other choice would have been Cersei, after all.
– Mike Scott
9 hours ago
@MikeScott Stannis' appointment to Davos stood anyway I believe
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
@MikeScott Stannis' appointment to Davos stood anyway I believe
– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago
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Legitimise?Not really but - movies.stackexchange.com/questions/100507/…
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