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Why do protein solutions have to be alkalised?


Rosetta ab initio prediction and protein-protein interaction fitness helpNaCl role in CTAB - DNA complex in DNA extractionAre There Rules for How Proteins Are Formed?How do I identify the protein with the highest Disulfide bond density? i.e protein with highest ratio of Disulphide bonds per Peptide bond?Amino acid compatibilityMultiple transcripts encoding for one proteinHow much nucleoside triphosphate is required to form one peptide bond during protein synthesis?How would one identify cellular transcription factors associated with a viral protein in a treated cell line?Is the signal peptide always cleaved during protein synthesis in the ER?How to calculate the amount of protein synthesized knowing the amount of essential amino acids ingested?













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I’ve read that Cu2SO4 solution reacts with peptide bonds that connect amino acids to create a violet colour, but the instructions always tell me to add NaOH solution to the protein solution before I add Cu2SO4. How is alkalising the protein solution before adding Cu2SO4 solution an aid to this process?










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    The directions explicitly state to add the sodium hydroxide before the copper sulfate? I've never done the biuret test myself, but I can't imagine it would make a difference. Commercially available biuret reagents are sold as premixed solutions.
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I’ve read that Cu2SO4 solution reacts with peptide bonds that connect amino acids to create a violet colour, but the instructions always tell me to add NaOH solution to the protein solution before I add Cu2SO4. How is alkalising the protein solution before adding Cu2SO4 solution an aid to this process?










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I’ve read that Cu2SO4 solution reacts with peptide bonds that connect amino acids to create a violet colour, but the instructions always tell me to add NaOH solution to the protein solution before I add Cu2SO4. How is alkalising the protein solution before adding Cu2SO4 solution an aid to this process?










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I’ve read that Cu2SO4 solution reacts with peptide bonds that connect amino acids to create a violet colour, but the instructions always tell me to add NaOH solution to the protein solution before I add Cu2SO4. How is alkalising the protein solution before adding Cu2SO4 solution an aid to this process?







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This is probably to prevent precipitation of copper hydroxide (see Itzhaki & Gill, 1964 - they suggest adding dilute copper sulfate slowly to the NaOH solution to avoid this). If you have the protein already alkalized and ready to react you'll get the color reaction before precipitate forms.



Commercial premixed solutions, like @canadianer mentioned in a comment, have tartrate present to prevent this (Geiger & Bessman, 1972 mention this).



It doesn't seem like it's strictly necessary to add NaOH first, but that's probably the most reliable way to do the assay without using an additional stabilizing agent.




Itzhaki, R. F., & Gill, D. M. (1964). A micro-biuret method for estimating proteins. Analytical biochemistry, 9(4), 401-410.



Geiger, P. J., & Bessman, S. P. (1972). Protein determination by Lowry's method in the presence of sulfhydryl reagents. Analytical biochemistry, 49(2), 467-473.






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    You mix those two chemicals to get a Cu(OH) 2 colloid, if you mixed them earlier it would settle down and not form a colorful complex (as efficiently). Base is added first because (i presume) it denaturates the protein which partly unfolds it, allowing copper ions to form complexes along a greater surface, giving clearer results.






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      This is probably to prevent precipitation of copper hydroxide (see Itzhaki & Gill, 1964 - they suggest adding dilute copper sulfate slowly to the NaOH solution to avoid this). If you have the protein already alkalized and ready to react you'll get the color reaction before precipitate forms.



      Commercial premixed solutions, like @canadianer mentioned in a comment, have tartrate present to prevent this (Geiger & Bessman, 1972 mention this).



      It doesn't seem like it's strictly necessary to add NaOH first, but that's probably the most reliable way to do the assay without using an additional stabilizing agent.




      Itzhaki, R. F., & Gill, D. M. (1964). A micro-biuret method for estimating proteins. Analytical biochemistry, 9(4), 401-410.



      Geiger, P. J., & Bessman, S. P. (1972). Protein determination by Lowry's method in the presence of sulfhydryl reagents. Analytical biochemistry, 49(2), 467-473.






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        This is probably to prevent precipitation of copper hydroxide (see Itzhaki & Gill, 1964 - they suggest adding dilute copper sulfate slowly to the NaOH solution to avoid this). If you have the protein already alkalized and ready to react you'll get the color reaction before precipitate forms.



        Commercial premixed solutions, like @canadianer mentioned in a comment, have tartrate present to prevent this (Geiger & Bessman, 1972 mention this).



        It doesn't seem like it's strictly necessary to add NaOH first, but that's probably the most reliable way to do the assay without using an additional stabilizing agent.




        Itzhaki, R. F., & Gill, D. M. (1964). A micro-biuret method for estimating proteins. Analytical biochemistry, 9(4), 401-410.



        Geiger, P. J., & Bessman, S. P. (1972). Protein determination by Lowry's method in the presence of sulfhydryl reagents. Analytical biochemistry, 49(2), 467-473.






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          This is probably to prevent precipitation of copper hydroxide (see Itzhaki & Gill, 1964 - they suggest adding dilute copper sulfate slowly to the NaOH solution to avoid this). If you have the protein already alkalized and ready to react you'll get the color reaction before precipitate forms.



          Commercial premixed solutions, like @canadianer mentioned in a comment, have tartrate present to prevent this (Geiger & Bessman, 1972 mention this).



          It doesn't seem like it's strictly necessary to add NaOH first, but that's probably the most reliable way to do the assay without using an additional stabilizing agent.




          Itzhaki, R. F., & Gill, D. M. (1964). A micro-biuret method for estimating proteins. Analytical biochemistry, 9(4), 401-410.



          Geiger, P. J., & Bessman, S. P. (1972). Protein determination by Lowry's method in the presence of sulfhydryl reagents. Analytical biochemistry, 49(2), 467-473.






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          This is probably to prevent precipitation of copper hydroxide (see Itzhaki & Gill, 1964 - they suggest adding dilute copper sulfate slowly to the NaOH solution to avoid this). If you have the protein already alkalized and ready to react you'll get the color reaction before precipitate forms.



          Commercial premixed solutions, like @canadianer mentioned in a comment, have tartrate present to prevent this (Geiger & Bessman, 1972 mention this).



          It doesn't seem like it's strictly necessary to add NaOH first, but that's probably the most reliable way to do the assay without using an additional stabilizing agent.




          Itzhaki, R. F., & Gill, D. M. (1964). A micro-biuret method for estimating proteins. Analytical biochemistry, 9(4), 401-410.



          Geiger, P. J., & Bessman, S. P. (1972). Protein determination by Lowry's method in the presence of sulfhydryl reagents. Analytical biochemistry, 49(2), 467-473.







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              You mix those two chemicals to get a Cu(OH) 2 colloid, if you mixed them earlier it would settle down and not form a colorful complex (as efficiently). Base is added first because (i presume) it denaturates the protein which partly unfolds it, allowing copper ions to form complexes along a greater surface, giving clearer results.






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                You mix those two chemicals to get a Cu(OH) 2 colloid, if you mixed them earlier it would settle down and not form a colorful complex (as efficiently). Base is added first because (i presume) it denaturates the protein which partly unfolds it, allowing copper ions to form complexes along a greater surface, giving clearer results.






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                  You mix those two chemicals to get a Cu(OH) 2 colloid, if you mixed them earlier it would settle down and not form a colorful complex (as efficiently). Base is added first because (i presume) it denaturates the protein which partly unfolds it, allowing copper ions to form complexes along a greater surface, giving clearer results.






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                  You mix those two chemicals to get a Cu(OH) 2 colloid, if you mixed them earlier it would settle down and not form a colorful complex (as efficiently). Base is added first because (i presume) it denaturates the protein which partly unfolds it, allowing copper ions to form complexes along a greater surface, giving clearer results.







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